Enough is Enough: Rape Babies Don’t Deserve Death

Sunday, October 28, AD 2012

Thank the Good Lord I am not a politician. If I were running for office, what I am about to write would undoubtedly cause me to plummet in the polls and induce a heart attack for my campaign manager. It is up to us – bloggers, polemicists, wags, editorialists, etc. – to say plainly and boldly what politicians cannot say. By now hundreds if not thousands of us on the pro-life side of the spectrum have weighed in on the mountain that the Obama campaign and the leftist media have made out of the molehill of the “rape exception” that many self-identified pro-lifers hold. FYI: it is a molehill not because rape is no big deal, but because less than 1% of abortions are performed on rape babies. I don’t know if what I have to say will be different from what you have read, but I’m about to douse this issue in gasoline and light a match, so check yourselves now.

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  • ” … I believe penalties for rape should be severe enough to serve as a real deterrent, which they never will as long as left-wing lawyers and judges dominate the judicial system. I believe radical pro-choice outfits should stop harassing pro-life pregnancy centers and other organizations that are out there providing millions of women with financial, social and emotional support. …”

    Add on severe penalties for life-threatening criminal activity in general, and watch them think before acting.

    Harassment is becoming something dangerous, as this election season is revealing it. We have leaders so irresponsible as to incite their base, rather than to caution about right and wrong or to give them credit for brains.

    The Richter Scale has numbers that apply exponentially to damage potential. The law does not. Killing children, and using Roe v. Wade for political gain and division of citizens, is not high-minded or related to peace.

  • Ditto, Bonchamps! – “Well, how about this: I support the second amendment rights of women, so that they can obtain weapons and defend themselves. I support laws that allow them to do so with lethal force and without fear of juridical reprisal. I believe penalties for rape should be severe enough to serve as a real deterrent, which they never will as long as left-wing lawyers and judges dominate the judicial system. I believe radical pro-choice outfits should stop harassing pro-life pregnancy centers and other organizations that are out there providing millions of women with financial, social and emotional support. And at the end of the day, I don’t believe that women who actually go through with an abortion under such circumstances should be thrown in prison, but I do believe that the medical frauds who kill babies for a living should be tossed into a dungeon and the keys jettisoned into outer space.”

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  • I’ve got a rather scathing response about my knowledge of basic biology meaning that I recognize an embryo is human from conception, and likewise is alive, and that if I were going to kill someone involved in a rape it would be the rapist, not someone who has the horrible luck to be genetically related to him.

  • Not doubting your 1% statistic but wondering where it comes from? I have heard it often but have never seen a source.

  • The less than 1% result keeps showing up, even in pro-abortion studies.

    Victims suggest that 1) a lot of rapes resulting in pregnancy aren’t reported, and 2) abortion makes it worse for the victim. (Shocker, women aren’t stupid just because they were raped.)

  • Great post. I agree with your statement that the vast majority of people are morally inconsistent. You’re also correct that people who make policy statements in public don’t have the excuse of not having thought the matter through.
    For this reason, I believe that politicians who claim to be pro-life, yet condone killing babies conceived during rape (like Mourdoch’s opponent) are not sincerely pro-life.
    The logical distance between acknowledging that life begins at conception and its protection no matter how it came to be is so short that the smallest amount of contemplation should be sufficient to make the jump. I think the pro-life movement would be well served by an information campaign to push this.
    Inconsistent politicians have no logical excuse. I believe that politicians who hold “semi” pro-life positions do so for purely political reasons (coughRomneycough).

  • What is to be said to those who have bought into the entire lie that pro-abortion advocates claim is the reason for safe and legal abortion? Those who have been decieved and brain washed are so misguided by those they believe that the words of those who wish to give them the correct information and guidance are regarded as extremist who are waging a war against women. The information that is presented to them shows them the truth but they do not recognize the truth. All they see is what there are told. I have relatives who are very close to me who I have had “discussions” with about abortion who listen and at that moment hear the truth and recognize it and agree with what they are being shown yet afterwards they still vote for the party that continues to lie to them. So once again.
    What is to be said to those who have bought into the entire lie that pro-abortion advocates claim is the reason for safe and legal abortion?

  • Richard,

    If the people you are speaking to “hear the truth and recognize it and agree with what they are being shown”, as you put it, and yet remain obstinate in their pro-abortion beliefs, there is nothing more you can say. Such people believe that ignoring the truth has no consequences and so they wallow in their indifference.

    But I believe God will punish indifference with more severity than outright evil.

  • First Person Account: A devout Catholic young woman was raped by a hired hand on her father’s farm in the 1930’s. Imagine the disgrace. A devout Catholic man met her and realized the severity of the situation and that he also had loved this young woman for some time. He asked her to marry him! He told her he would adopt the child as his own. Imagine the disgrace for him. Stories flew for years and years with the gossips of the small community. Many people thought they “had to get married”. You know you just did not talk about such things in those days. “They” had a baby girl which they named after the woman who “wiped” the face of Jesus. This couple went on to have 12 more children. This couple was married for 60 years. They both died the most beautiful deaths I have ever witnessed. On his deathbed his last words were, “eye has not seen, ear has not heard what God has ready for those who love Him”. “Their” little girl went on to have a wonderful family of 9 children and her husband has been a champion for the Right to Life”. She has passed now, and her husband is dying of cancer. They have 30 grandchildren many of whom are adopted. Most of who are practising Catholic or members of fundamental churches. Her life was inportant just as the woman who “wiped” the face of Jesus. And we have always thought we had our “own” St. Joseph example in our lives. Pity the world.

  • Very moving Jeanne. No rapes in my family history that I am aware of, but my mother was born out of wedlock in 1936. My grandmother rolled up her sleeves, went to work, and my mom was raised by her grandmother while her mom worked during the day. Money was often tight, the big treat each week was on Saturday night when my mom and my grandmother would each have a cookie and a glass of milk, but love was in abundance. Love usually finds a way to triumph over all adversities.

  • People make mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes are sexual ones (anyone here not make a sexual mistake?), and sometimes those sexual mistakes have consequences, like an unintended pregnancy. The liberal left doesn’t want consequences, either sexual ones or economic ones. The liberal left wants complete license to do what it wants whenever it wants regardless of circumstance or consequence, and someone else is supposed to pay the price, whether that be the tax payer for free health care or an unborn baby who will be sacrificed for mere covenience’s sake. Therefore, I like what Donald wrote: ” No rapes in my family history that I am aware of, but my mother was born out of wedlock in 1936.  My grandmother rolled up her sleeves, went to work, and my mom was raised by her grandmother while her mom worked during the day.  Money was often tight, but love was in abundance.  Love usually finds a way to triumph over all adversities.”

    Love covers a multitude of sins. Isn’t that somewhere in the Bible? 😉

  • Has anyone else noticed the Planned Parenthood ad on this site?

  • Wow, Jeanne. Thanks for posting that.

Why Life Matters

Wednesday, September 5, AD 2012

I am heartened to see that abortion has become a central issue in the 2012 presidential campaign. I am even more happy to see that the Democratic Party is spending far more time discussing it this time around than the GOP. While I certainly hope the Romney-Ryan ticket steps up and delivers a strong pro-life message in the final months before the election, the fact that the Democrats are now making such a big stink about it demonstrates that even they must acknowledge the awesome power of the pro-life movement.

This movement, of which I consider myself a small and rather insignificant (but eternal) member, is more than political lobby. Unlike the various lobbies that represent the special interest groups and key demographics that prop up both the Democrats and the GOP, the pro-life movement represents a group that can’t vote, can’t contribute to campaigns, and can’t even speak for itself, the truly least among us.

Given this new-found interest in abortion, the sort of things people are likely to hear as the DNC continues to unfold this week, and the fact that I believe basic refreshers are good from time to time, I want to discuss the pro-life point of view a bit. I cannot be comprehensive here, but I will raise some of the issues I think are fundamentally important in this debate.

Many of our opponents do not really understand what it is that motivates us and drives us. To them, to quote one pro-choice radical feminist I recently witnessed on a news program, we pro-lifers apparently believe that “a fetus has more rights than a pregnant woman.” Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth. We believe in accordance with the Declaration of Independence, that all men (males and females) are endowed with inalienable rights at the moment of their creation. The life inside the pregnant woman is not more valuable than the pregnant woman; they have the same value and are worthy of the same protection under the laws of a just, civilized, and humane society.

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  • Good post, Bonchamps. The Dems, however, will no more give up abortion today than they would slavery 160 years ago. And we know what that lesson is. God save the Republic!

  • Many people who have heard one or two things about logical fallacies in their lives will say that pro-lifers are guilty of using the “slippery slope” fallacy.

    I have not encountered the accusation of the pro-life argument being a “slippery slope”. I have seen it in the context of pro-marriage/anti SSM debates. In what context is the pro-life argument slippery slope? It seems the exact opposite to me – it is based upon the inescapable logic that an unborn human being is a person.

    All human beings are persons. An unborn human is a human being. Therefore, an unborn human being is a person. You might not agree with the second premise (or maybe even the first), but then it is up to the pro-abort to prove those premises wrong. It is not “slippery slope”.

  • And when I say “you might not agree” I mean the rhetorical you, not you personally (obviously).

  • A very large number of younger pro-abort Dems are also products of public education, and as such are, well, ignorant as the day is long. While it’s kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, it is still gratifying to walk them down the primrose path in a discussion of “societal good” versus the God-given rights of a created being, using their own arguments against them until we arrive here.

    I have zipped many a pie-hole this way. Can’t say if it stuck, but getting them to think is a good first step.

  • Salvage goes from Christian blog to Christian blog saying the same things. Nothing changes with an atheist.


    Hail Mary, full of grace…..

  • Salvage slips through now and then, but he’s an example of why I’m also good friends with “moderation” and “ban.” Buh-bye.

  • You missed the lede, Paul: savage is pro-life!

    “You know what *else* matters?”

    Bravo–it’s a start!

  • Tertullian pretty well disposed of the “potential person” argument over 1,800 years ago, when he said, “With us, homicide being once for all forbidden, we may not destroy even what is conceived in the womb, while as yet the human being derives blood for its sustenance. To prevent a birth is to hasten homicide; nor does it matter whether you take away the life [animam] from one that is born, or destroy one that is coming to the birth. That is a human being which is going to be one; every fruit is already in the seed.” [Homo est et qui est futurus; etiam fructus omnis iam in semine est] (Apologeticum 9:8)

    By the by, “animam” is here used in the usual Latin sense of “life,” not “soul” in the philosophical sense.

    Tertullian is plainly giving, not his own opinion, but is speaking for the Christian community of the 2nd century – “With us…”

  • WK Aiken, I copied a part of that T4 for this post.

    ‘ In October 1939, Hitler signed a back-dated “euthanasia decree” to 1 September 1939 which authorised Bouhler and Brandt to carry out the programme of “euthanasia” (translated into English as follows):

    “Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a discerning diagnosis.”[12][13]

    [hide] 1 Background
    2 Implementation
    3 Killing of children
    4 Killing of adults
    5 Gassing
    6 Victim numbers
    7 Opposition
    8 Postwar legacy 8.1 The Doctors’ Trial
    8.2 Others involved in the programme

    9 See also
    10 Notes
    11 References
    12 External links’

    Never have I seen such a grim table of contents.

    I am struck by the polar opposite of civilization in the quote from 2nd cenury which Michael Patterson-Seymour gave us to describe what life matters to Christians.

    Day into night for such a great many people who cannot suffer the God that made them.
    Some are gathered at the DNC.

  • PM

    The idea of “a life unworthy of life” was current in Germany before the Nazis took it up. It was already in the air amongst the liberal intellectuals of Weimar. The 80 year old jurist Karl Binding and the psychiatrist Alfred Hoche brought out a famous book in 1920 – Die Freigabe der Vernichtung Lebensunwertem Lebens [Allowing the Destruction of Life unworthy of Life.” It really is as vile as its title suggests.

    Regarding the mentally ill, Binding wrote, they are “living pointless lives and are a burden for society and their families”. He also believed it to be unfair on carers to keep such “lives unworthy of living” alive. As for the risk of mistakes, “humanity constantly loses so many lives by mistake, that just one more would hardly make a difference.” That such a man should have been Professor of Criminal Law at Heidelberg speaks volumes.

  • My first thought was that I forgot about the Weimar Republic, and now have homework.

    Then: I wonder if the seated President, with his Nobel Peace Prize awarded in anticipation, could be analogous to the Professor of Criminal Law at Heidelberg for having the same lack of regard for a life.

    The Professor as to lives needing carers, the President as to infants born alive; both using the lives of the caregiver and mother as victims to defend murderous intent.

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