Catholic Teacher Under Fire From Catholic School For Practicing Catholicism

Friday, March 13, AD 2015

 

 

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I used to view as extreme those who predicted that faithful Catholics would face persecution.  Now such people every day are looking more like prophets.  What they forgot to note is that those doing the persecuting would often be fellow Catholics.

Mathew J. Franck at First Things gives this disturbing example of what I am talking about.

 

While Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone holds the line on the teaching of orthodox moral doctrines of the Catholic Church out in San Francisco, here in New Jersey a theology teacher in Immaculata High School in Somerville is threatened with dismissal from her position for . . . agreeing with orthodox moral doctrines of the Catholic Church.

Patricia Januzzi, the teacher in question, recently posted some remarks on same-sex marriage and homosexuality on her publicly accessible Facebook page. After remarking on the dubious proposition that protection of gays and lesbians as a class can be brought within the ambit of the Fourteenth Amendment, Januzzi wrote: “In other words they [advocates of same-sex marriage] want to reeingineer western civ into a slow extinction. We need healthy families with a mother and a father for the sake of the children and humanity!!!!”

Of course—of course—a firestorm erupted over this. Even (whatever happened to) Susan Sarandon weighed in with self-righteous condemnation (it seems her nephew once attended Immaculata). The principal of the school told Januzzi to take down her public Facebook page, which she did, and the school issued a statement a couple of days ago assuring the public that its “investigation” had “determined that the information posted on this social media page has not been reflected in the curriculum content of the classes [Januzzi] teaches.” Then followed the rote recitation of the gospel of “respect and sensitivity.” As stilted and impenetrable as all this was—Januzzi had not posted “information” but opinion, and what, after all, was the school telling us was not “reflected” in the classes it offers?—at least it seemed for one brief shining moment that this little flap would go away.

No such luck. Now it is reliably reported that Patricia Januzzi is under pressure to resign, and threatened with dismissal if she utters a peep about the matter. This is rapidly becoming an outrageous assault against a person whose worst offense was to speak with what some (but by no means all) would call an intemperate passion, in favor of the Church’s teaching.

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40 Responses to Catholic Teacher Under Fire From Catholic School For Practicing Catholicism

  • The principal reports to the pastor of the Imaculata parish, Msgr. Seamus Brennan. The teacher under siege is a member of the parish and has chaired parish commissions

    http://www.immaculateconception.org/church/pastoral-council

    Oh, and the self-dramatizing poof behind this controversy has referred to Mrs. Januzzi as a ‘nightmare dumpster human’. Stop the h8.

  • The silence of Catholic hierarchy is deafening. Does this mean that the Church’s teaching is null and void, something to be condemned ?

  • “Does this mean that the Church’s teaching is null and void, something to be condemned ?”

    It means that an important attribute of being a Bishop is courage and far too many of our “shepherds” head for the hills when the wolves come around. Time for the “sheep” to take matters into their own hands because most of the shepherds are worse than useless.

  • I can just imagine the wolves in sheep costumes also in the foothills opening a season on the sheep.

  • Ah, but that is when the really tricky sheep Patricia don wolf costumes and begin luring other “wolves” into ambushes by the sheep!

    It is pathetic when Christians are being beheaded rather than renounce their faith, that we have Bishops in this country who fail to stand up for Catholicism because they fear bad press and the intolerance of the deranged Left. I sometimes think that Bishops must have their spines, and other parts of their body, surgically removed before they are consecrated Bishops, because they certainly do not behave like men when it comes to protecting those in their charge.

  • When a voice defends or proclaims the teaching of our Lord as instructed by Him, such as Bishops Burke, Schneider, Sarah, Cordelione, the Sister who became incommunicado due to speaking in one of the Carolinas to students (of enraged parents), the blogger(s), a recent Pope, and more; there comes recrimination such as that recorded in the Gospels about what happened to Jesus on Good Friday.

  • I sometimes think that Bishops must have their spines, and other parts of their body, surgically removed before they are consecrated Bishops, because they certainly do not behave like men when it comes to protecting those in their charge.

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    I have a hunch that it all boils down to a fear of causing open schism by telling dissenters that they can’t dissent fromX (see exhibit Pelosi, Nancy), because they know the dissenters will neither stop dissenting nor representing themselves as Catholic. So dissension goes unspoken –but also uncorrected.
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    (n.b. I’m using schism colloquially)

  • Just to complete the argument, the reason faithful Catholics get cracked down upon, so to speak, is that you depend upon them to remain obedient and not cause a schism.

  • For the life of me I didn’t think the passage where Jesus tells us that “you will be persecuted and hated because of me…” ,would be from inside our own home, yet this is happening.

    Of course they are convinced that they are right and we are hate mongers. Interesting times is an understatement.
    These are definitive times. The Holy Bible spoke of a house divided, yet we know that the Holy Catholic Church will not fall.

  • I sometimes think that Bishops must have their spines, and other parts of their body, surgically removed before they are consecrated Bishops,

    If the institutional architecture is about as expected, there would be about five people in the chain of command between Mrs. Januzzi and the Bishop: her department chairman, the dean of the faculty, the principal, the pastor/trustee, and the diocesan superintendent of schools. It’s the principal who is causing the problem. Around her are two people to advocate for Mrs. Januzzi, one person who can alert the bishop and may have some command authority, and one person who can tell the principal to cease and desist. That Jean Kline paid any notice to Susan Sarandon’s self-entitled exhibitionistic sexual-deviant of a nephew is a canary-in-the-coal mine indicating that she’s unfit for the position she holds. The pastor should have had her in his office the next day to explain herself, and had the deans in his office one-by-one in order to ascertain who would run the school in the interim after he fired Mrs. Kline.

  • Patton said something to the effect that moral courage is an extremely (if not the most) important virtue and the one most often lacking.
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    It is time to call out such evil advocates and push back twice as hard.
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    A question for any priest or bishop: How is it merciful or charitable to silently stand by and allow a sinner to lose her/his eternal life, which Christ so dearly purchased for us with His life, death, and Resurrection.
    Moral

  • And people wonder why many of us post under a “pen-name”.

    “Forward, comrades, always forward!”

  • Philip wrote, “For the life of me I didn’t think the passage where Jesus tells us that “you will be persecuted and hated because of me…” ,would be from inside our own home, yet this is happening.”
    καὶ ἐχθροὶ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου οἱ οἰκιακοὶ αὐτοῦ – Matt 10:36

  • As I read her statement, the teacher is imparting a valuable civics lesson: that the Constitution, laws, federal programs are being misinterpreted, and thus misused. The end result of this all inclusiveness is social engineering, e.g. the 14th Ammendment, and bankrupting programs, the economy and individuals, e.g. Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc.
    The Left are bullies. The students are watching this drama unfold. The weak principal must know that teens lose respect for those perceived as hypocrits. I hope this bishop realizes that if he caves, his power and moral authority will be greatly diminished. It’s a slippery slope.

  • They are vampires sucking the innocence and virginity out of our innocent children, Children who are born innocent and called by name into being.
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    I moved from the Diocese of Metuchen in ’04 where +Paul Bootkowski resides. Paul Bootkowski is a Cardinal Dolan clone. It was no secret. It was heartbreaking then and it is heartbreaking now.
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    Self-abuse as is sodomy must be called out by its true name and meaning or the devil with his lies will have us. Mutual masturbation in the name of love without counting one’s soul or the soul of the partner for eternal life with God is atheism. If Immaculata is going to support atheism, I suggest that no Catholic money be donated. Sending our partners to hell is not Catholic, not decent, not holy and not human.
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    Did the teacher mention any person’s name or is it simply the agenda of the gays to confuse, conflate and argue that the crime has personhood? The devil incarnate?

  • Most of the parents who place their kids in parochial schools today do so
    not because they want their kids to have a Catholic education, but
    because the want their kids to have a private school education. A
    teacher with the stones to actually explain to his students what the Church
    teaches will be getting neither support nor thanks from either parents or administrators.
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    Ms. Januzzi’s 33-year career with Immaculata is, sad to say, over. She’ll be
    silenced, placed on administrative leave, and ultimately resign or be fired.
    It’s that school’s loss, and the children’s loss, but it’s not a surprise.

  • Ms. Januzzi’s 33-year career with Immaculata is, sad to say, over. She’ll be
    silenced, placed on administrative leave, and ultimately resign or be fired.


    No, that only happens if Msgr. Brennan sides with an educrat he just hired against a parishioner he knows quite well.

  • Art Deco, yesterday (13th March) the school released a letter stating that
    Ms. Januzzi has been placed on administrative leave. I wouldn’t place any
    bets on her weathering this storm.

  • MPS. Thank you for the lesson. Enemies in his own household. Indeed.
    The battle is intensifying. It feels as though it is. The lukewarm will not stomach this one, and the enemy is brazen. Holy rosaries and weekly adoration we enter into the fray.

  • Ms. Januzzi has been placed on administrative leave. I wouldn’t place any
    bets on her weathering this storm.

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    Who’s placing any bets, Clinton? I’m pointing out that the ball is in the pastor’s court. Either he makes this right or he’s a craven nincompoop. Personally, I do not think much of clergymen as human beings. We live in a decadent age and our clergy are fantastic disappointments. I’ve known some I respected, but not many ordained after about 1950.

  • Thank you Michael P-S

    Matthew 10:34 ‘Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    35 For I have come to set a man against his father,
    and a daughter against her mother,
    and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;

    36 and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household.

  • Art, I absolutely agree that the ball is in the pastor’s court. It’s just that it
    does not bode well for Ms. Januzzi that her FB post has even become an issue,
    let alone the fact that her superiors at that school and parish have pushed her
    2/3 of the way out of her job over it. It is a shame and an indictment of the
    decadent state of our so-called “Catholic” institutions in this country that
    her career at Immaculata is almost certainly over. If anyone was going to
    make this right, things wouldn’t have gone this far. She will resign or be fired,
    and very soon.
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    What any employee of a Catholic institution in this country will take away from
    this fiasco is that their employer, the Church, will fold like a cheap suit when
    confronted over the expression of Catholic truths that inconvenience the
    zeitgeist. It’s less of a hassle for pastors and administrators and
    bishops and teachers if so-called Catholic education is kept as meatless and
    anodyne as possible, for fear of offending the Culture of Death.
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    So-called “Catholic” schools might not be the sad spectacle they are, but, as
    i mentioned earlier, most parents are using the parochial school simply
    because they want their children out of the public schools, not because
    they’re interested in them becoming better Catholics. Academically they may
    be great (or the parents would be furious) but catechesis is not even close
    to being a similar priority, and most parents are fine with that.
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    During my undergrad years I taught CCD at my college parish, an affluent
    parish with an elementary school. i taught high school kids, most of whom
    were graduates of the parish elementary school and currently enrolled in the
    city’s Catholic high school. They were good kids, bright kids, but they were
    bone ignorant of even the most basic tenets of Catholicism. These were kids
    whose parents not only sent them to Catholic school, but also put them in CCD,
    and these kids still had never heard of the Real Presence. No one had ever
    spoken to them about the Trinity. I asked the class to raise their hand if they
    thought Jesus was a man and not God. About half the hands went up. Was
    He God, but not a man? The other half went up. What about both man and
    God? One hand. I thought they might be toying with me, but no– they’d
    gone through 10-12 years in my city’s parochial school system only to be
    taught to be… Unitarians.
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    Ms. Januzzi is currently the focus of a Two Minute Hate from our decadent
    culture, and her superiors at that school will probably throw her under the bus
    rather than experience her fate. It has suddenly become much less likely that
    any kids in any Catholic school will be adequately catechized, and even more
    likely they’ll end up ignorant of their Faith like those kids in my old CCD class.

  • I recall my own Catholic boarding schools (1952-1963).
    The religion taught was very like the Anglican “Public schools” [i.e. Independent boarding schools] described by Mgr Ronald Knox: “I think, then, it should be said at the outset that public schools are trying to teach the sons of gentlemen a religion in which their mothers believe, and their fathers would like to: a religion without “enthusiasm” in the old sense, reserved in its self-expression, calculated to reinforce morality, chivalry, and the sense of truth, providing comfort in times of distress and a glow of contentment in declining years; supernatural in its nominal doctrines, yet on the whole rationalistic in its mode of approaching God: tolerant of other people’s tenets, yet sincere about its own, regular in church-going, generous to charities, ready to put up with the defects of the local clergyman.”
    Very different this, to the religion taught on every page of the New Testament: “to renounce the world, and differ in every temper and way of life, from the spirit and the way of the world: to renounce all its goods, to fear none of its evils, to reject its joys, and have no value for its happiness: to be as new-born babes, that are born into a new state of things: to live as pilgrims in spiritual watching, in holy fear, and heavenly aspiring after another life: to take up our daily cross, to deny ourselves, to profess the blessedness of mourning, to seek the blessedness of poverty of spirit: to forsake the pride and vanity of riches, to take no thought for the morrow, to live in the profoundest state of humility, to rejoice in worldly sufferings: to reject the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life: to bear injuries, to forgive and bless our enemies, and to love mankind as God loves them: to give up our whole hearts and affections to God, and strive to enter through the strait gate into a life of eternal glory,” would have been branded Jansenism or worse.

  • FYI- According to this Sunday’s (3/15/15) bulletin for the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Somerville, NJ [http://www.immaculateconception.org/], Mrs. Jannuzzi is Director, New Evangelization/Stewardship/Adult Faith Formation for the parish. The bulletin also includes the St Thomas More Column (A defense of Marriage and Family: Defending Marriage, Family and Religious Freedom) which has a submission from Mrs. Jannuzzi. The previous two posted March issues of the bulletin also include the column by Mrs. Jannuzzi.
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    Also, note that the announcement of her “administrative leave” (paid? unpaid?) posted at the school’s web page [http://www.immaculatahighschool.org/uploaded/Admissions/Marketing/Letterhead_Letter.pdf] was signed by the school principal plus the pastor, Msgr Seamus Brennan.
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    Personally, I am discouraged and depressed by the lack of support from the Catholic clergy for the “Catholic faith.” This is the third similar incident in recent times (NC, RI) where so-called RC schools have thrown church teaching under the bus in order to appease the gay/left mob. So much for integrity…. And we have a Cardinal Dolan leading a pro-gay St Patrick’s Day parade in NYC. Then there was the mixed(?) message of the recent synod (Part1). I fear that the upcoming year of Mercy will merely lay the groundwork for an end run around the family (it will be done subtly via a technicality using pastoral discretion). Time will tell.

  • Bishop Fulton Sheen once said: “If you want your children to loose their faith, send them to a Catholic School.” Wonder if he realized how correct that statement would be in 2015?

  • It seems that the Church hierarchy, here, as everywhere there are hornets’ nests is deemphasizing ‘healthy doctrine’ for ‘arbitrariness and conformism’; not ‘guaranteeing relentless fidelity to the Word of God’. Am sorry that I forgot Cardinal Mueller in the above comment.
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    Cardinal Mülller: The Pope ‘like all believers – is subject to the word of God and the Catholic faith ”

    “At the level of the universal Church the special mission of the Successor of Peter is especially mentioned to strengthen his brethren in the faith (cf.. Lc 22,32). This is not the place to deal with the doctrine of papal infallibility, but the characteristic and ultimate responsibility of the Roman Pontiff emphasizes protecting healthy doctrine. In its “Considerations on the Primacy of the Successor of Peter in the Mystery of the Church “of 1998, the Congregation declared: ‘The bishop of Rome is – like all believers – subject to the word of God and the Catholic faith. He is the guarantee for the obedience of the Church and in this sense servus servorum. He decides according to his own will, but it is voice the will of the Lord who speaks to man in Scripture lived and interpreted by tradition. In other words, the episkope of primacy has limits, resulting from the law of God and contained in revelation in the untouchable divine institution of the Church. The Successor of Peter is the rock that against arbitrariness and conformism, he guarantees a relentless fidelity to the Word of God: It also follows the martyrological characters of his primacy.'”
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    Quote found on The Eponymous Flower which has more, and I am able to copy only one thing at a time – so no link.

  • Personally, I am discouraged and depressed by the lack of support from the Catholic clergy for the “Catholic faith.”

    That’s a rather anodyne way of describing what’s in that letter. Were I Mrs. Jannuzzi, I would never darken the door of that parish again. Were I Mr. Jannuzzi, Msgr. Brennan might just be nursing a broken nose.

  • This story hits close to my home, as I think I have mentioned before. I taught religion at a NJ Catholic high school. Very popular with the students, orthodox and unafraid to take on the issues of our time, including sexuality. Nothing controversial, just simple Catholic theology and truths. This did not happen in the other religion classes, which might be described as “tolerant” or “progressive.” In any event, no one ever directly approached me – instead I would get quiet warnings from concerned teachers that this person (a nun) and her cadre did not like me and she felt threatened. They certainly did not like what I was teaching – nobody ever reviewed my class although the pastor praised my class. (He did visit but never would get involved.) In short, full Catholic teaching was not wanted by the order, nor any robust expression of what we truly believe. The students, on the contrary, were extremely engaged. And I was not to be rehired after 2 years.

  • Kevin: I have friends with the same scenario. Most religion classes are taught by divorced and remarried people who would rater not hear the truth. The truth of the matter is that we need good Catholic sisters and nus to teach our children about God.

  • The Second Vatican Council, in its declaration on Catholic education Gravissimum Educationis, insisted on Catholic schools assisting Catholic parents in their primary duty of educating their children in virtue, holiness, and their ability to evangelize others in society (see especially nn. 3 and 8). Picking up on this theme, the U.S. bishops have affirmed that “Catholic elementary and secondary schools [are] invaluable instruments in proclaiming the Good News from one generation to the next” (see Renewing Our Commitment to Catholic Elementary and Secondary Schools in the Third Millennium, US Conference of Catholic Bishops [2005], p. 2). – See more at: http://the-american-catholic.com/2015/03/18/words-to-live-by/#sthash.gbayD2n8.dpuf
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    ‘The U.S. bishops have affirmed’ that their schools are invaluable instruments in proclaiming the Word of God, but have found that when they don’t do so, the wind of the world does not disturb their comfort zones?

  • I think Fr. Paul Mankowski’s essay ‘Tames in Clerical Culture’ would be instructive here, as well as Leon Podles’ observation that people go into the ministry because they want to be den mothers (on salary). We have bishops who are incapable of functioning as leaders, clergy in general who went into the ministry for the wrong reasons and have remained in it for the wrong reasons, and women religious whose residual raison de faire seems to be a contempt for the lives of ordinary women in domestic situations (a phenomenon Andrew Greeley addressed in one of his short stories; Greeley admitted he did not like nuns).

  • Update: Bishop Bootkoski issued a statement regarding this situation:
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    20 Mar 2015

    My dear brothers and sisters,
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    We are a compassionate Catholic community committed to treating our students, faculty and parishioners with respect. We have never wavered from our traditional Catholic teachings.
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    To that end we need to correct some misstatements with regard to the teacher in question.
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    The teacher’s comments were disturbing and do not reflect the Church’s teachings of acceptance. However, she has never been terminated, as some media outlets have reported. She has been put on administrative leave. There has been no interruption in her pay and benefits.
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    Pope Francis reminds us that we are to accept all of our brethren. We must ensure that our educators steer away from harsh and judgmental statements that can alienate and divide us.
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    We regret that certain individuals and groups are using inaccurate media reports to push their own agendas.
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    Source: http://diometuchen.org/bishop/from-the-bishops-desk/2015/bishop-s-statement-on-status-of-teacher-at-immaculata-high-school-somerville/
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    Apparently the “Church’s teaching of acceptance” Jesus’ message of Repent!
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    I am very discouraged at how the diocese, the pastor, and the school have betrayed Mrs. Jannuzzi. The shepherds have turned over the sheep to the wolves. May God help and protect us.

  • “Pope Francis reminds us that we are to accept all of our brethren. We must ensure that our educators steer away from harsh and judgmental statements that can alienate and divide us.”

    The Bishop needs to go over that horrible John the Baptist fellow who was ever harshing the mellow of his contemporaries:

    “And were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins. [7] And seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them: Ye brood of vipers, who hath shewed you to flee from the wrath to come? [8] Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance. [9] And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. [10] For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire.”

  • They forgot to add, “we are an Easter people” (or perhaps only bishops are allowed to use that trope).

    You have to shake your head at our clergy. They can’t even get the easy calls right.

  • There is teaching of pc thought in that letter with a division lesson, but religion has been omitted. Matt 10:36 again ignored.

    Missing cites:
    especially “our” traditional teachings;
    comments disturbing v Church’s teaching of acceptance;
    must steer away from harsh and judgmental statements that can alienate and divide “us”;
    pushing “their” own agendas;
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    John the Baptist, out there in the peripheries, living on bugs and converting followers was not slick enough to quote.
    Mrs. Jannuzzi did not keep her light under a bushel. The letter stating that her leave is paid must be what should console the “us”.

  • Bishop, you stated that the teacher’s “statements are disturbing?” No your statement that her statements were disturbing are disturbing. She should sue all the moral-phobic so-called Catholic “shepherds” for fraudulently pretending to be Catholic. Jesus was very judgmental (you would know it if you read the whole Bible). Jesus wrote in the sand the number of times the men consorted with the prostitute as the attempted to incorrectly (by Jewish standards of the time) to stone her. Jesus praised people who judged correctly. You Sir are guilty of being harsh and vindictive in the way you treated this teacher and being in service of Moral-Phobia. “…… teacher’s comments do not reflect the Church’s teachings of acceptance?” Sorry buster, but neither the true Church nor Jesus accepts sin.

  • The pogrom against a teacher, Patricia Januzzi, Sr Jane Laurel, OP, and even against Arcbp. Cordileone of San Francisco, is of course a specific focus of the much larger picture: the larger view is the chaos introduced into the Catholic Church and (as some of us predicted) a purge against those who hold Catholic belief. Whence originates the chaos? Well, who called for the mis-named “Synod on the Family”?

    1 Cor 14:31 in a few brief words summarizes the essence of the Rules for the Discernment of Spirits of the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius: “God is a God of order, not confusion.” Look around you at the fragments of the Church today.

    The internal war against P. Benedict XVI during his pontificate was not visited on the whole church, but now its material agent, the present pontiff, has spread this spirit of disorder and chaos through the whole Church, and as predicted here, he would facilitate and actually encourage a war on those Catholics (whom he pejoratively calls “Doctors of the Law” (Sermon, Mar. 17, 2015, Domus S. Martha Chapel). Januzzi, Cordileone, Burke, Pell and many others are bodies to be stepped over on the journey that PF insists is to “Go forward, always forward!” (Mar. 7th 2015 address, Ognissanti Church, Rome). Forward to what, Holy Father? 10% Mass attendance? Zero? European Catholicism, now in free-fall, to 15% identification? To “none”? Is that a measure of your success?
    ……………………………………………..

    As Card. Mario Luigi Ciappi, one of the few besides the post 1960’s popes who actually read the 150 single space lines of the 3rd Fatima secret (not the several pages released in the 1990’s), said: ““In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.” Never before have I felt so compellingly has it been that I see this prophecy now fulfilled before our eyes.

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  • Schism from those going down into the pit is a good thing.

  • Mary De Voe, “Schism from those going down into the pit is a good thing.” That’s a chilling visual. Well put.
    Regarding the quote of bishop Sheen, sadly so true for my sons and nephews on both sides of the family. They all attended Catholic high schools. The one who served in Iraq and Afghanistan is back and was married in a nuptial Mass.

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  • They are a flamboyant, gaudy bunch of grey-haired ladies. Seems they sure do love to kiss, kiss up, to Obama. It is fraudulent when articles about them are illustrated by pics of nuns in habits–these gals gave up habits a long time ago. And that is not all they gave up–they abdicated their vow of obedience, have embraced New Age theories which are used to replace authentic dogma, and support every liberal, pro-sex cause that’s out there. And they look so smug about it all! They stick the “poor” out there in front of them as a diversion to justify any and all of their shenanigins. They have gone back to the original Eve who ate the apple, tried to share it around, and proclaimed, “I will not serve.” I had IHM nuns all through grade school and high school, and they did a good job of education huge classrooms full of working class kids. I had BVM nuns for college, and they were a wonderful example of intelligent, educated women dedicated to God and to their work. Then I entered the Society of the Sacred Heart which had a dual life of contemplation yoked to the apostolate of education. That was great until it collapsed after Vatican II. Now that order has closed most of its schools, has almost no new vocations and is dead in the water. Too bad to waste the charism of St. Madeleine Sophie like that. But I am not discouraged. There are many good and holy priests who tend to their parish families and who celebrate a dignified liturgy. Our pope, Benedict XVI, is a saintly and exceptional man, a profoundly spiritual theologian. Gaudy clothes, drum beating, and defiance of authority will not lead anyone to God. The nuns of the LCWR should pay attention: “The game is fixed. The Lamb will win. Be there.”

  • At least most seem to be wearing bras.

  • Excellent! Absolutely excellent!

  • They exhibit themselves as a bunch of overgrown kids.

  • Was there anyone there under 60……besides Obama?

  • Well, they do seem a bit more modestly dressed than many of the younger people I see these days, but they also look like they are on vacation. I’m not sure that is the right tennor for a nun. But I don’t wish to be judgemental.

  • I wonder if Nancy Pelosi washed that week? 🙂

  • The gravest miscalculation that the LCWR makes is that the Roman Catholic Church will not give you all that is good for you. Worshipping creation, the creature, instead of “their Creator”, as the LCWR does, cannot affirm the sanctity of the human soul. How can a woman bishop act “in persona Christi” when her female body does not conform to the Body of Christ? Rejecting her female human body in favor of a totally symbolic male body, a symbolic Body of Christ, does not fit the definition of “in persona Christi” because the PERSON OF CHRIST IS BODY AND SOUL. Any Sacraments of the Church, she may pretent are only symbolic, and therefore, the woman bishop denies the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. For this reason, and others, the woman bishop does not follow in Apostolic Succession under the Primacy of Peter. The other reason being is that, if she has a true vocation to sanctity, as all people have, the woman ought to be pursuing her spiritual growth, the spiritual growth, which is being denigrated at every turn by the choices she makes, as the woman slowly slips into oblivion, without her female body, without her saved soul.
    If the LCWR worshipped Jesus Christ, true God and true man, as brides of Christ, they would be filled with every grace and blessing, fulfilled. Our Lady said: “Do whatever He tells you.”
    Human sacrifice is the chief form of worship of the devil. Abortion, the killing of the innocent unborn human being is worship of the devil. Fornication is the next highest form of worship of the devil, lust in all of its forms. Every twisted misconception of the TRUTH is the devil’s delight. The devil has no soul and the devil will never be satisfied.

    The second gravest miscalculation of people who will settle for free contraception, sterilization or abortificients in exchange for their freedom of conscience and their rational, immortal soul, is that they have not lost their freedom of conscience or their rational, immortal soul in exchange for contraception. They believe that only those persons who object to contraception, the Catholic Church and God-fearing persons need lose their freedom of conscience when being forced to provide contraception. This is a lie. All persons lose their religious liberty and freedom of conscience. It is only a matter of time when the law impacts each and every citizen adversely. Take for example, the government now, forces people to provide contraception, taking the authority by force. Later the government will take body parts for transplant by force from individuals without their informed consent or force children to marry without freedom to choose to whom, when and where (as do the Muslims). Without God, government does not function for the common good, no matter what they say.
    A third and most insidious misconception is that the devil will be satisfied. Give the devil what he wants and he will go away. When the devil gets our freedom of conscience, he will be satisfied and return to hell; that he will not seek to destroy all men, body and soul in Gehena. Wrong.
    Many people hope and pray that Obama will be content with destroying the Roman Catholic Church, religious liberty and the freedom of conscience, the right to choose virtue over vice and good over evil. Where in the world has that happened, in the Gulag, in the concentration camps, in China’s one child policy, in India’s sterilization policy? The government is taking power to force people to be forcibly aborted, forcibly sterilized, and forcibly euthanized. The government has already taken power to forcibly bring new individuals to life in a laboratory and use their body parts in medical experimentation without their informed consent which comes about at emancipation at eighteen years old. Every crime against humanity has to be concealed. Only when an individual had lost all value, was he released from the Gulag. People will be chased down and hunted for sport. Hung tarred and feathered to burn as torches and even fed to the lions. Women who want their babies will be aborted. Children will be tortured or used as experiments, medical, and social. Some people will be used for their body parts, as organ donors against their will and without their consent.
    God created man in freedom. Government cannot legitimately take our freedom, or deny our access to God.

  • Donald, are those women not ashamed to call themselves Catholic Nuns? And to watch their wrinkled bodies and faces, and dressed up like drunken old wags staggering from the nearest Beer Joint is horrifying. This old lady was mentored and brought up by the Consolata Nuns – in their beautiful white Habits. They handed her over to the Loreto Sisters of the BVM who completed her formation as a truly devoted Roman Catholic. I bore and brought up my children under the mentorship of the same Loreto Sisters who had taught me years earlier. Their black Habit was the “Stamp of Holiness of the Brides of Christ” just like the white Habit of the Consolata Sisters when I was a toddler and a pre-teen was the “Stampt of Purity”.

    These sorry characters are LOST. We need to pray for them. Any Ordained Priest or Man and Woman Religious who arrogantly dishonours their vows of OBEDIENCE, CHASTITY AND POVERTY IS A LOST SOUL. Any Catholic Faithful who virulently abuses and rejects the Authority of the Catholic Church, Her Teachings and the Magisterium IS A LOST SOUL.

    Weep, my beloved Catholics, weep for the souls who have sold themselves to the Devil. I almost shed tears watching that horrid Video. God have Mercy on us all. Let us pray the younger Nuns will not copy these lost souls and be swallowed by the “World”.

  • I recommend the “The Mitre and the Crook” by Fr. Brian Houghton. The book is out of print but can still be found at Amazon and other book sites. A very interesting read.

    I was taught for my my first 8 grades by Benedictines and just loved them. When I entered a Benedictine college the winds of change had started. Nuns out at nightclubs. So sad to see.

  • [email protected]″ Do you know Consolata Bishop Ambrose (Ambrogio) Ravasi, now retired at the Seminary in Marsabit, Kenya? When he was stationed as Superior General for the USA in Somerset, NJ, Father Ambrose always welcomed me as though he had waited his whole life for me to walk into his office. He often talked about his spouse, Kenya. What a treasure.

  • The LCWR is seeking religion beyond Faith. Religion is man’s response to the gift of Faith from God, and a freedom guaranteed by our First Amendment. Religion beyond Faith is called atheism and is not guaranteed freedom by our First Amendment.

  • From Orwell’s essay, “Reflections on Gandhi”

    “But one should, I think, realize that Gandhi’s teachings cannot be squared with the belief that Man is the measure of all things and that our job is to make life worth living on this earth, which is the only earth we have. […]

    “[…] it is not necessary here to argue whether the other-worldly or the humanistic ideal is “higher.” The point is that they are incompatible. One must choose between God and man, and all “radicals” and “progressives,” from the mildest liberal to the most extreme anarchist, have in effect chosen man.”

    Seems as if these women have chosen man.

Liberal Catholics and the Fortnight For Freedom

Friday, June 22, AD 2012

 

 

Christopher Johnson, a non-Catholic who has taken up the cudgels so frequently in defense of the Church that I have designated him Defender of the Faith, has the number of liberal Catholics and their reaction to the Fortnight For Freedom proclaimed by our Bishops:

Jim Naughton’s joint takes note of the US Catholic Church’s latest initiative:

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has called on Catholics throughout the country to observe a “Fortnight for Freedom,” beginning today and running through July 4, to protest the Obama administration’s health care policies.

This is how the USCCB describes Fortnight of Freedom.

The fourteen days from June 21—the vigil of the Feasts of St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More—to July 4, Independence Day, are dedicated to this “fortnight for freedom”—a great hymn of prayer for our country. Our liturgical calendar celebrates a series of great martyrs who remained faithful in the face of persecution by political power—St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More, St. John the Baptist, SS. Peter and Paul, and the First Martyrs of the Church of Rome.  Culminating on Independence Day, this special period of prayer, study, catechesis, and public action will emphasize both our Christian and American heritage of liberty. Dioceses and parishes around the country have scheduled special events that support a great national campaign of teaching and witness for religious liberty.

Here’s the obligatory bit that all stories like this are legally obligated to contain about how sharply divided the Roman Catholic Church is over this issue.

Marion McCartney, who attends the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Washington, D.C., opposes the bishops’ campaign. She’s part of a group, Blessed Sacrament Families United in Faith and Action, that wrote a letter to its pastor, saying the partisan nature of the campaign is “a step too far.”

“Nobody’s religious freedom is at stake. That’s just ridiculous!” McCartney says. Is “[Health and Human Services Secretary] Kathleen Sebelius going to come and close all the church doors? I mean, it’s just foolishness.”

Can you say “Episcopalians in Catholic drag?”  Knew you could.

Another member of that group is Jim Zogby, who has worked on human-rights issues overseas. He says the U.S. bishops were spoiling for a fight over social issues with the Obama administration.

“They declared war on the administration, and we the faithful are paying the price for it,” Zogby says. “Our religious freedom, our ability to simply go to church, worship, feel a community, feel safe in that community” has been compromised.

“We’re now being put in the middle of a partisan fight, and that’s wrong.”

It’s easy to see what’s at work here.  To liberal Catholics, as to all leftist Christians, Catholic bishops are “partisan” or “political” when they take a stand on an issue with which the left strongly disagrees(i. e., birth control and abortion).  When they back a cause the left strongly supports, the bishops are acting “pastoral” and truly Christian and doing what God called them to do and stuff.

His wife, Eileen, says Blessed Sacrament, with its mix of liberals and conservatives, has always put politics aside. Not now. At a recent parish meeting about religious freedom, people began attacking President Obama, she says, getting more and more heated.

“Until finally one person leaned forward and he said, ‘Well, I have seen cars in our parking lot with Obama stickers on them, and they are complicit in all of this.’ And I thought, ‘Well I guess I’m not welcome here, because I have an Obama sticker on my car.’ “

If you’ve got an Obama sticker on your car, lady, I have one piece of advice.  Get thee to a Eucharistic Adoration.  Can’t hurt.  Also, the sex abuse scandal.  And nuns are cool now so stop beating up nuns!!

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  • “Episcopalians in Catholic drag!” I love that phrase!

  • Oh, I forgot:

    Bishopress Schori would be so proud! Revelation 2:20-23:

    20* But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and beguiling my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her immorality. 22 Behold, I will throw her on a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her doings; 23* and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.

  • Not one person mentioned the Body of Christ. “People of God” do not murder or approve of murder in the womb. Whoever encouraged that woman to believe that she is ordained is out of order and has done her a great disservice. How sweetly they are defiant. How compassionately they will rip the brains out of a living human being. How gently they say: “No, I will not serve.” They are atheists trying to take control of the Catholic Church, in the same manner the devil has taken control of their souls. Thank God for Pope Benedict XVI.

  • Liberal Catholics sing in one accord: “We have no King but Caesar” (John 16:9).

  • The Common Good!

    Social Justice!!

    They don’t care about faith and morals.

    They are not Catholics. They are liberals fronting as catholics.

  • “Liberal Catholics sing in one accord: “We have no King but Caesar” (John 16:9).”

    Whoa, the truth behind that should send shivers down one’s spine.

  • In the very old days, when a daughter wished to enter a convent, her father had to provide a dowery equal to her life’s support to the convent. It is said that this is the dowery provided by Saint Nicholas. Many a good woman could not enter a convent. And when these arrive at the gates of hell, they will blame their bishop.

  • “And when these arrive at the gates of hell, they will blame their bishop.” it is to these out of order nuns, to whom, I refer. Beg pardon.

  • The video is actually rather sad – the poor woman justifying her “choice” position because it is “private”; as if anything we do is actually private. And, of course, bringing up the canard about “coat hangers” (really would like to see a full scale investigation to find out if there was ever a woman who tried that). They are so lost – just aimlessly mouthing sentiments they cannot possibly have thought through and being willing tools of those who wish to destroy all truth.

  • Sad to see Ms. McCartney confuse “freedom of worship” with “freedom of religion,” but that’s just what her preferred standard-bearer wants to restrict her to. Sadder still that she’d need padlocks on the doors before she’d see a problem.

    Another snapshot from our Catholic house divided.

  • Sorry, I cant get all worked up about this. If the Bishops and the Church wanted true freedom they would stop standing around with their hands out asking for government money for health care, social programs, vouchers, tax exemptions. Has anyone ever heard the saying: “he who pays the piper gets to name the tune.” If the government gives you money (or financial benefit in the way of tax exemptions) they expect you to accept all the conditions that go along with it.

    True freedom means financial freedom. Other organizations have retained their freedom by refusing government assistance. For decades Hillsdale College has stuck by its principles and refused government funding to avoid government regulations. In the 1990’s Bob Jones University stuck by its principles – for awhile – until they caved on the issue of interracial dating (not an admirable cause but you can at least respect them for standing up for their principles). On the other hand look at all the Catholic social service agencies that have been forced to provide benefits to same sex couples because the agency accepts federal or local funds.

    I wish our Bishops would have enough courage to just say “NO” to government money. Unfortunately, that is something our clergy has never been strong enough to do.

  • Your argument is a nonsequitur since the HHS mandate is not contingent upon an employer receiving one thin dime from the Feds.

  • Don is right. I hear this nonsequitur argument all the time, even from folks who strike me as otherwise informed. Weird actually.

  • So in other words, the HHS mandate applies to every organization whether or not it receives federal money, the only exception being a very narrow one that includes houses of worship (I.e., churches, temples, synagogues, etc.), but NOT other religious organizations even when they receive NO federal money.

    Hence the non sequitur nature of the argument: “This is the Bishop’s fault because they receive federal funding for their organizations.”

    I do agree, however, that the Bishops’ ingratiation of themselves with the liberal leftist idea of social justice, the common good and peace at any price to the exclusion of the principles of subsidiarity, personal responsibility and individual accountability has had a lot to do with the current situation. Not all Bishops did this, but enough of this Marxist pollution has so infected the USCCB that we have the current situation. Now they cry religious freedom, having already sacrificed it for universal health care nonsense and other liberal social justice idiocies. The Church is about saving souls from Heaven, and that is where She ought to focus Her energies.

  • “The Church is about saving souls from Heaven…”

    Whoops! That should read:

    “The Church is about saving souls for Heaven…”

    -10 points for me!

  • “I wish our Bishops would have enough courage to just say “NO” to government money. Unfortunately, that is something our clergy has never been strong enough to do.”

    “Don is right. I hear this nonsequitur argument all the time, even from folks who strike me as otherwise informed. Weird actually.”

    Weird indeed. One cannot express oneself freely if one takes part in govt. programs. Though unfortunately, we might have to begin to think this way in order to prevent such a move in the future.

  • Mac and all lawyers at sea,

    I have been warned about hand-written notes and emails (they may be subpoenaed!).

    Can you give a Legalese, one- or two-word translation for the word “bu!!$@&%”?

    Ridiculous, spurious, and nonsequitur just don’t have the “oomph.”

    For accounting and financial BS, I use: “liberal interpretation”, inconsistent application”, “mark to make-believe”, “fairy tale value”, or “extend and pretend.”

    Thanx!

  • Love this video report! In La La land, one can believe just about anything and call herself a Catholic. And one more reason to never sing that stupid song. It may be heartfelt but it, along with many other OCP ditties, does not belong in any Catholic liturgy. SO happy we have the Latin Mass and are not subject to the liturgy nazi’s dictating what we must sing in order to make everyone at Mass feel good about himself/herself.

Vichy Catholics

Saturday, February 11, AD 2012

While most Catholics with at least two brain cells to rub together realize that the HHS Mandate “compromise” is a transparent fraud, the usual suspects among the Obama-uber-alles branch of Catholics in this country have been hailing it.

Richard Rich Doug Kmiec is back on board the Obama bus (and demonstrates again the truth of the Socrates adage that an unexamined life is a tragedy):

Sister Carol Keehan, head of the Catholic Health Association, last seen getting a pen from Obama for her support in passing ObamaCare, loves the compromise.  She was actually supporting it before it was announced, indicating that the Obama administration slipped her advance knowledge.  The administration is aware of the tame Catholics they can rely on.

And, mirabile dictu!, Morning’s Minion at Vox Nova gives the “compromise” a thumbs up!

Streiff over at Red State sums up this phenomenon of Catholics who can always be counted upon to carry Obama’s water for him in any dispute with the Church:

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  • Watching that Granholm and Kmiec clip makes me want to throw up.

  • Oh how nice – my former governor and Catholyc Jennifer Granholm, still carrying the water for Obama. Another one that deserves ex-communication.

    I just realized – that news clip will probably get viewed by more people than there are total Current subscribers, merely because you linked to it. And that’s not saying much.

  • Its said to say but there are far too many useful idiots in the Church willing to follow Obama despite his blatant assault on our beloved Church.

  • Morning’s Minion at Vox Nova gives the “compromise” a thumbs up!

    Sheesh. I see that the ruling troika of Mornings Minion, MZ and Henry are all full throatedly in favor of the “compromise” and accusing the USCCB of being a bunch of out of touch rubes led around by partisan hacks. What a pathetic disgrace that place can be.

  • I cannot go to look at anything on Vox Nova. My eyes will bleed.

    Some Catholics amaze me. They should not, but they do. They shouldn’t be referred to as Catholics, but as left wing nuts.

  • I don’t get to be a ruling troika DC. I moved on several months ago from Vox Nova.

    …the USCCB [are] a bunch of out of touch rubes led around by partisan hacks.
    That sounds about right.

    While most Catholics with at least two brain cells to rub together realize that the HHS Mandate “compromise” is a transparent fraud, the usual suspects among the Obama-uber-alles branch of Catholics in this country have been hailing it.
    Most Catholics had no problem with the mandate. I’m doubtful any new dissent will be created with the compromise.

    The administration is aware of the tame Catholics they can rely on.
    You mean the ones that successfully applied political pressure and achieved their goal. I suppose I can concede that Obama wasn’t looking to receive respect from hacks like yourself who still believe he instituted health care reform in order to fund abortion. It is quite apparent the Obama administration is not interested in dialog with those who willfully continue to misrepresent his health care package. Unfortunately, that includes the USCCB. That is too bad for the USCCB, but I can’t really feel too much pity for them.

  • Carol Keehan ( I doubt if she is really a nun) is an Obama pawn. What is she thinking.

    She is for the compromise before it was announced? So the Lame Stream Media will herald this as a support for the compromise of a very influential group.

  • It seems that the basic economics of insurance are lost a great many people. Who do you think makes up for the “free” contraceptives? There is no free lunch.

  • “Most Catholics had no problem with the mandate.”

    Actually MZ, most Americans in general and Catholics in particular had a big problem with the mandate, although I understand you do not like being confused with facts.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rasmussen-voters-oppose-hhs-contraception-mandate-50-39_626420.html

    Obama understood this, which is why he floated this “compromise” to take the political heat off him, Obama having a better grasp of public opinion apparently than some of his more crazed acolytes.

    “receive respect from hacks like yourself”

    And the Pope MZ?

    http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/01/20/pope-benedict-religious-freedom-under-threat-in-america/

    Don’t worry MZ, you will get all the respect you can stomach from those like yourself who confuse Catholicism with a love of the welfare state, everything else be damned. Enjoy whatever solace that gives you.

  • ‘ … I don’t like my faith being used as political weapon … ‘ DK
    ‘ … Obama on the ropes taking punches from …’ JG from the war room
    and the CA lady distributing NYT gospel on the good people in Cinn., OH ?
    and an old vox of heresy just blathering against the Church Jesus established on earth to help us get to His Father ?

    War cry n. – A phrase or slogan used to rally people to a cause.

    All this muscle flexing talk in reaction to the Church standing up for the Constitutional right of its own religious liberty which is granted in the political arena where it’s now necessary to speak. What happened to pretty philosophic ideas of celebrating diversity and leaving no children behind? The answers given to the Church and public are in the spirit of telling misbehaving children to go sit in the corner and be quiet forever.

  • 10:28 ‘ I suppose I can concede that Obama wasn’t looking to receive respect from hacks like yourself who still believe he instituted health care reform in order to fund abortion. It is quite apparent the Obama administration is not interested in dialog with those who willfully continue to misrepresent his health care package. Unfortunately, that includes the USCCB. ‘

    Then, please explain why his ‘magnanimous’ 2/10 “Compromise Speech” was centered on the word ‘contraception’ with no specific details for the listening public. Or what areas of health, other than women’s preventive healthcare, is included.

    It is inconvenient to point out that the result of some of the healthcare is death. ( I think of that part as hellth.) The USCCB, the Catholic Church, and many other religions which branched off from the Catholic Church are the places where people entrust the guidance of their Souls. They are as much doctors as the ones guiding the executive branch.

  • Hitler on Vichy Catholics:

    “Do you really believe the masses will ever be Christian again? Nonsense. The tale is finished but we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves. They will betray their God to us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable little jobs and incomes.”

    Describes Kmiec and Sr. Carol pretty well, I’d say. And as for Vox Nova – well, it’s interesting. Over the past week, I’ve seen outrage about this from Protestants and Jews and even atheists and agnostics, who understand full well what an assault on religious rights it is. But the Catholic statists like MZ and the Vox Nova crowd keep digging their graves. However, I wouldn’t say they are betraying their god – no, they’re in full grovel mode before him. Well, if you can stomach voting for a man who approves of leaving babies to die on tables, forcing the Church to pick up the tab for birth control isn’t going to be that big of a deal to you.

  • I do not find it at all difficult to imagine a situation arising here similiar to the one in China, where you have the state-approved “Catholic” clergy and the ones who actually follow the Vatican.

    And I also do not find it difficult to imagine left-wing “Catholics” gleefully helping to turn in and persecute those who remain faithful to Rome rather than to Obama and the nanny state. Really. They are showing us now who they really worship and adore.

  • The filthy animals are showing themselves for what they are: Obama first, the state second, hatred of liberty third, and Christ number ten.

    You can’t reason with those in the thrall of the demon; those . Those that call good evil and evil good.

    It’s way past talking. Some real Christians say they’ll go to jail.

    Next from the Obama-worshiping imbeciles:

    3 . . . 2 . . .1 . . . Racists!

  • Maybe we should take comfort in the fact that WE know right from wrong as is noted in the commits here. The problem is that the propaganda seems to reach more than the truth does. Then again, more and more do not find the truth comforting as it conflicts with their lifestyle and desires.

  • While Obama got 54% of the overall Catholic vote, McCain got 57% of the vote of Catholics who attend Mass every Sunday. The fact that Obama got 43% of the Catholics who attend Mass on Sundays is what I find more troubling. While it is true that not all of those who attend Mass every Sunday, most of them are. So, we can safely say, as a conservative estimate, that about 25% of orthodox Catholics went for Obama. That is what concerns me. That is far more telling. And what it tells is that many orthodox Catholics do not understand how economic, national security, foreign policies affect the cultural and life issues. I mean how can honestly claim to be for life when you support big government nanny state policies that financially underwrite the culture of death (of which Obamacare is proof postive) or when you have a national security posture that projects weakness?

  • Very well said Donna-
    Well, if you can stomach voting for a man who approves of leaving babies to die on tables, forcing the Church to pick up the tab for birth control isn’t going to be that big of a deal to you.

  • Simply, this assault on Church Teachings (Pharaoh calls it opinion and ancient religious hatred) is the straw that broke the USCCB’s back.

    All that common good, justice and peace guff is corollary to the alibi (welfare of humanity) of tyrants and, worse, cynical political posturing.

    How is any of this (higher food and energy costs) good for the common man?

    In 2008, Obama promised he’d bankrupt the coal industry and raise the cost of energy if elected. He was elected, and we are suffering.

    This year, Pharaoh is closing three West Virginia coal plants.

    The shortages in energy supplies will ripple through the economy and put out of work about 100,00 people more, with added misery, and will raise the cost of living for all Americans, . . . including those deleted from the propaganda, unemployment/labor force numbers.

  • I’m reading various threads on Catholic blogs and I’m amazed at how disconnected (IMO) so many people are from Church teaching and an understanding of the moral component as well as the deeper understanding of the person and society. They are actually factoring in the idea that contraception is a cost savings and trying to use that angle in evaluating “compromises”. Contraception is NOT a cost savings. Only in the narrowest and inhuman view can one say that. The cost of contraception to our society is huge. It’s in part why as a nation we kill millions of innocents a year. It has probably done more to destroy the foundation of society, the family, than anything else in this country. The effects of that have resulted in many expensive, yet family destroying “fixes”. Not mention the overall degrading of both men and women. I really wish the bishops would call this out. It’s not that they need it for their defense of the Church and religious and conscience rights, but maybe they could help take that sort of misguided logic off the table.

  • Not one liberal did a thing to help.

    Don Surber: “About 40,000 people signed an online petition to demonize the bank of a Nashville woman who stands to lose her house to foreclosure, instead of actually stepping up and helping her.

    “Liberals: Not here to help so much as to seize power on your misery.”

    Justice and peace!!! All that 2008 human dignity, faux charity, “have-you-no-decency” wailing and gnashing of teeth was truly partisan BS.

    In 2012, a majority of liberal hypocrits, like MM et al, support drone assassinations and keeping the Gitmo tortuary operational. Funny how just as in 2008, death penalty, evil tax cuts for the evil rich, and water boarding still trump abortion, contraception, gay privileges, the moral destruction of our youth, mass desperation, tyranny, etc.

    It seems Obama-worshiping idiots think we are as stupid as they.

  • Whatever Doug Kmeic says to do, do the opposite. You won’t go wrong.

  • I know, I know. We’re all supposed to be adults. We’re supposed to educate ourslves on the vissicitudes of life. But can it be ignored that the silence form the pulpits is deafening? Especially concerning the American Holocaust. I guess it’s just human nature. If it doesn’t affect me directly then so what.

    Let’s face it; there are alot of socialists in the Ivory Towers of chancery buildings who just got bitch-slapped by Marxist numero uno and have been temporarliy(?) awakened.

  • Obama just wanted to get the Carol Keehan Catholics back into his flock, and it looks like he has succeeded. It is for the Bishops to revoke some charters which includes so-called Catholic association as well as religious orders such as the one which spawned Carol Keehan.

  • They have their reward.

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  • I think Obama was on a fishing expedition, 1) to see just how the Church would respond, and 2) back off enough to win back his ‘Catholic’ supporters and drive a wedge in the Church’s opposition.

  • If the Bishops keep slamming hard, and don’t give up their just criticisms, then it doesn’t matter what these Catholic ignoramuses (or is that ignorami?) blurt out of their mouths.

    Keep writing to your Bishops who have demonstrated courage and tell them that you’re in their corner, helping on blogs, newspapers, etc. They NEED to hear that from you.

    Do it now.

  • Dan, and they (Bishops/USCCB) want us to contact our US Reps. about supporting the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act (H.R. 1179 S. 1467).

    We can support these brave defenders of the Church as well. The Reps aren’t afraid to ask for votes, so it seems like a time to urge cooperation all around. There’s more at stake than O’s contraception card.

  • …the USCCB [are] a bunch of out of touch rubes led around by partisan hacks.
    That sounds about right… I suppose I can concede that Obama wasn’t looking to receive respect from hacks like yourself who still believe he instituted health care reform in order to fund abortion. It is quite apparent the Obama administration is not interested in dialog with those who willfully continue to misrepresent his health care package. Unfortunately, that includes the USCCB. That is too bad for the USCCB, but I can’t really feel too much pity for them.

    God love ya, MZ, being an ObamaCath means never having to admit you’re wrong. The fact is that the “out of touch” USCCB and the “partisan hacks” who allegedly lead them around turned out to be 100% right on the conscience clause issue, and you and the rest of the ObamaCaths turned out to be 100% WRONG, as the original HHS mandate clearly demonstrates.

    “Trust us”, you said in the debate over the Stupak Amendment, “ObamaCare won’t lead to Church insitutions having to do anything that violates their beliefs, and the out of touch Bishops who are telling you otherwise are being led around by partisan hacks.” You were wrong (or lying) them, so forgive me if I believe you’re wrong (or lying) now when you claim the same thing about this alleged “accomodation”.

    The fact is that Catholic institutions providing medical coverage as part of their employee benefits will be providing things that violate their beliefs. Nothing has changed with the alleged “accomodation”. And it’s just a matter of time before additional items that violate Catholic teaching are added to the list of “must cover” items, abortion among them.

    Again, when I see you and yours FOR A SECOND TIME paying less heed to the Bishops on these matters than you do to a man who, via the extreme position his adminsitration took in the recent Supreme Court case that he lost in a 9-0 decision and via the extreme position his administration has taken with the HHS mandate, is clearly trying to limit religious freedom, you’ll have to pardon me when I say you no longer have any credibility (not that you ever did) after having been conclusively shown to have been WRONG the first time you chose sides.

  • Being credible in your eyes and $5 will get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I shouldn’t be shocked that you lack the intellectual honesty to admit the USCCB was wrong about abortion coverage. I confess to being slightly disappointed though. Good play though on attempting to question mine by shifting the goal posts to a phony conscience controversy.

    And for the record, I don’t see any any conscience issue involved with employers being compelled to offer a contraceptive benefit if they provide health insurance. I don’t think employers have a legitimate interest in whether or not their employees have a sex act that respects the unitive and procreative dimensions.

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  • I must post what I know, after are my comments and opinion. FAITH IS A GIFT FROM GOD. GOD IS BEING AND EXISTENCE. All men come into existence at the will of God, our Creator. The virtue of religion is how man responds to the gift of Faith from God in private and in public. The virtue of religion can be perfected only by complete adherence to the love of God. Doug Kmeic teaches? Law? Constitutional LAW? An open question on conscience rights? What is an open question but to do what one knows is right in accordance to the will of God? I am stunned by the profound ignorance of Doug Kmiec. Doug Kmiec belongs on Saturday Night Live. no foolin’. Doug Kmiec has a problem with his “faith being used as a political weapon”. What Kmiec really means to say is that his virtue of religion, his response to the gift of Faith from God, is being pressed to do what is right in the eyes of God and he does not like it.

  • MZ “a phony conscience controversy”? Justice is giving each man what he truly deserves. Can there be JUSTICE without conscience? Animals have no conscience and do not require JUSTICE. Devils have no conscience because demons have no human body, therefore no human soul, therefore no eternal life in heaven. Justice requires that the newly begotten sovereign person, who constitutes our nation and whose perfect moral and legal innocence is the standard of Justice be given life as an unalienable right. Our nation’s constitutional posterity is being deprived of Justice and you call it a”phony conscience controversy”? The rest has been deleted by the poster.

  • Dan: Ignorami is Latin for ignoramuses. I really enjoy reading your post. You are correct especially the part about supporting our bishops, It is up to each and every man, if he enjoys freedom, he must stand together with the truth for the truth will set you free.

  • RL: Cost saving contraception drives Divine Providence away from our nation. Our Creator, WHO made us, makes the rain fall, the seed germinate, the sun shine. Malthus and Population Bomb ignored Divine Providence in their calculations. Therefore, It may be said of Thomas Malthus and Paul Erhlick: IGNORAMI. The horror of abortion is that the abortionists and those whose minds and souls are pro-abortion is that they enjoy murdering the innocent. Pro-abortionists revel in bloodlust, worship in bloodlust their demon god, moloch.

  • Hope and Change:

    “I strongly urge you not to be intimidated by extremist politicians or the malice of the cultural secularists (me: e.g., vox nova) arrayed against us.” Bishop Daniel Jenky

    “Bishop Daniel Jenky of Peoria, Illinois warned Catholic democrats that one day they will indeed have to meet their Creator and will have to give account for their irresponsible acts before God.” Gateway Pundit

    That goes for all you rascals that voted for pharaoh.

    Malicious secularist MZ: Thanks for reminding me!

    We NRA Endowment (I upgraded from Life) Members are going to Starbucks to show our support. Starbucks supports Second Amendment liberties. We will support Starbucks.

    3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . “Justice and peace and cynical political posturing!!! Only criminals and the gestapo are allowed to carry weapons!”