Jerkiness Cometh Before a Fall

Friday, August 3, AD 2012

Note to uber jerks everywhere:  it probably isn’t a great idea to make a YouTube video of one of your nastier bits of jerkiness.  Case in point, Adam M. Smith, former CFO of Vante, an Arizona medical manufacturing firm, was quite upset at Chick-Fil-A over gay marriage and decided that it would be a good idea to protest by berating the young lady attempting to take his order at a Chick-Fil-A.  He was obviously proud of his extreme bravery at giving a hard time to a young fast food worker because he filmed it and posted it on YouTube.  Surprisingly, at least I am sure it was a surprise to Mr. Smith, most people who viewed the YouTube video thought he was being a cowardly jerk.  Smith took down the video, but by that time bloggers had latched hold of the story and had downloaded the video.  Now Mr. Smith will have plenty of time to act like a jerk to other  people and post the results on YouTube as he is without employment.  From the CEO of Vante:

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  • In this video the man protesting Chick-Fil-A did not yell and scream. Is this the same video? Am I missing something? True, he is a jerk for embarrassing this young lady with his pro-sodomy support, but then again, pro-sodomists are jerks.

  • True Paul, and I have altered the post to reflect that. It might be a reflection of Midwestern Central Illinois Nice, but I interpreted that confrontation as being the equivalent of yelling and a verbal slap in the face. It always rouses my ire to see people take out grudges against low level people in an organization who have no control over policy, and a man berating a woman, especially a woman just trying to do her job, makes me see red.

  • So- a CFO thinks he’s brave because he is rude to a poor woman making minimum wage at a fast food restaurant? Hey, mister, why don’t you go into the nearest Middle Eastern restaurant and berate the owners (who most likely have a much harsher view of gays than Mr. Cathy does)? I’d just love to see a video of that.

    This jerk gloated over wasting a couple of pennies of CFA’s money by ordering only a cup of water. That’s more than offset by the gas (and time) he wasted idling away in the drive through. Apart from his rudeness, I wouldn’t want a CFO with such poor financial sense.

  • There is one (that’s it) CFA in NYC. It’s in Greenwich Village: NYC’s gay Gomorrah.

    I imagine it’s like feeding time at the zoo when our moral superiors come in to vent.

  • Smith got in drive-thru to get free water so he wouldn’t have to invest in CFA. Smith’s act was purposefully mean/nasty. CFA employee was respectful and a hero! Kudos for her. For Smith: what goes around, comes around!

  • What you don’t see in the video is the line of cars that wrapped around the building twice while this jerk was giving his spiel (to someone who had NOTHING to do with what he was protesting) and getting his free water. I would have poured his free water on his head.

  • The thing is this behavior has got to be pretty deep into the way this guy typically behaves.
    Who doesn’t get mad at what they perceive to be some kind of injustice? But who then thinks the best way to direct that anger is to call out and mock some poor minion struggling to make a living?

  • From the video: “They give money to hate groups. Just because someone wants to kiss another guy.”

    Talk about a lie of omission! As I mentioned before, it’s typical progressivist Good Cop/Bad Cop. Good Cop: “Homosexuality does not affect you in any way.” Bad Cop: “We will make sure that no safe space exists for anyone believing in traditional marriage to live in peace.”

  • he did take the water though.

  • That young lady was an excellent model of Christian charity. I admire her ability
    to stay calm and professional. The way things seem to be going in our society,
    it’s possible that any of us may find ourselves likewise confronted by another Adam
    M. Smith. If I were put on the spot, I hope I would hold myself as well as she did.

  • I went to Chick-Fil-A last Saturday. I don’t know what it’s usually like, but the drive-through line circled around the building.

    You know, I’m surprised that I hadn’t read anything about the Support Chick-Fil-A Day two days ago. That’s the kind of thing that I would expect this site to feature.

  • “That’s the kind of thing that I would expect this site to feature.”

    Pinky, we are merely a gaggle of unpaid volunteers. I post frequently, as my work in the law mines allow, but we will never be able to cover everything relevant even to the big issues of the moment.

  • Stunned by the verbal assault and battery the woman held her own, and courageously kept the dignity of the establishment and herself. I read where Obama had called the victim “stupid”. A public establishment is property for the peaceful exchange of commerce. The abuser ought to be brought up on charges of tresspassing and disturbing the peace for his abuse. Thirty days of public service to repair the damages to society . If Obama consented to the abuse by victim bashing, Obama ought to be made to help the criminal. Let them pick up after themselves, this is not occupy wall street. “No shirt, no shoes, no soul, no service.”

  • I fell in love with Chick-Fil-A when I saw that they were closed on Sundays (their workers were given a day of rest in the LORD). They were also giving free breakfast Thursday mornings. In the Jewish tradition, all cooking was done the day before the Sabbath. All was prepared for the LORD. The Sabbath was a day of feast and rest and rest and feast.
    If Vante rehires Smith, I want to know.

  • “Those outnumber the hairs of my head
    who hate me without cause.
    Too many for my strength
    are they who wrongfully are my enemies.
    Must I restore what I did not steal?” Psalm 69

    I have spent part of my hs and college days serving the public in a fast food establishment. Tough work, if you can get it. Was it worth it for this man to lose his job? Let him decide how thirsty he is for truth. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15

  • I really want to hire that woman for our company. What a composed and steadfast individual.

  • This morning, I heard on the radio that “gay activists are planning a ‘kiss-in’ at CFAs around the country.”

    For about 5 seconds I was all “That’s just wrong! We have to rally and . . .” which was as far as I got before another, more stable and powerful voice said “Let ’em. It will not go well for them at all.”

    So, I hope they do. The incredible backlash will be an excellent example of the “enough rope” theory in action.

    “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” – John 8:32

  • Mary – “I read where Obama had called the victim “stupid”.”

    Where?

  • It needs to be said again: “A public establishment is property for the peaceful exchange of commerce. The abuser ought to be brought up on charges of tresspassing and disturbing the peace for his abuse.” This will go for every individual in the “kiss in for gay marriage” Get ready with your “disturbing the peace and tresspassing” complaints.

  • Pinky: Credibility in the dustbin. Just another commentator’s musings, but have you noticed that “They shall stand up to be condemned.”?

  • the whole thing is so sad. commentators on fox and other channels have likewise embarrassed themselves, not so flagrantly, and they don’t seem to know it–but revealing the depth of ther misdirected anger.

  • ATTN: Mary De Voe:

    Earlier in a post at Creative Minority Report, I posted the below comment which was a joke referring to the Police/Henry Louis Gates/Beer Summit incident in 2009. I do not believe Obama actually commented on the Adam Smith/Classy Chik-Fil-A employee incident. I noticed you’ve been sort of referring to this as if it happened and I just wanted to set the record straight. Sorry for the confusion.

    “I think I just heard that Obama has responded to the video. He said “the young lady acted stupidly”, but he is going to host a Peach Shake Summit with the two of them.”

  • It hurts, but…
    I saw this earlier on Father Z’s site, shook my head, wished I’d been the window girl (who treated the idiot with 2 things he might want to check in Webster’s; dignity and respect) but didn’t pass it along cause it’s what we expect from people unaware they’re in a forest as all they see are trees.
    Then I read a story on New Advent (http://www.getreligion.org/2012/08/when-hating-on-chick-fil-a-try-to-hide-it-better/) that demonstrated how myopic and banal you can become when you can’t understand the principal of absolute truths. Best of all, it had a happy ending as the author is a reporter, apparently posted his thoughts on the companies site and had been led to the wood shed for proper punishment.
    Now I HAD to pass both on lest any of my friends miss the good news! Tied it to American Catholic, as I am always pushing it as something that must be read. That’s when I saw the update announcing the idiot had gotten his just desserts… if I could physically still do a jig, Riverdance would have had a new star! Then the back of my brain whispered, “Damn! Now I have to write Vante a note saying he shouldn’t be fired”. By the time it reached my frontal lobe, I realized I had quietly slipped to the 4th level of hell ~
    The guy’s a jerk. He’s mean, wrong, very probably 18 bricks short of a load and should be tongue lashed by his mama for being a bully and forgetting common courtesy. BUT, he shouldn’t be fired unless we want to start scratching out words from the same 1st Amendment we’re demanding be upheld.
    Two last things ~ although I’ve been reading American Catholic for a long time, I’ve never posted before so if I’ve been too wordy or broken a rule, I apologize. Finally, I have no trek with Facebook or Twitter, so, if “the jerk” in some way identifies his employer on either site, thereby leaving Vante open to the possibility of being considered complicit with his actions, I will be thrilled to be wrong and delighted I won’t have to send Vante a note.

  • Chris-2-4 Thank you for your immediate notation as I have attributed the saying to your musings as intercepted by PINKY. I do appreciate the clarity with which our blogs are kept.

    Barb: Being fired for indiscretions such as verbal assault and battery, false accusations of hatred, trespassing on property zoned for peaceable business accomodation, and anti-social behavior; let those who love Smith have him. Please know that if there had been a man behind the counter, Smith would have feigned and fainted. This is a first class sexual harrassment lawsuit using Mr. Dan Cathy as a scape goat.

  • Barb,
    Nice first post. Just a couple of points:
    First, the jerk was not fired for his views, but for behaving like a jerk and therefore embarrassing his employer.
    Second, the First Amendment protects a person’s speech from government reprisal; not employer reprisal. In fact, it is doubtful that a law preventing an employer from firing someone for a political reason would survive First Amendment scrutiny.
    Cheers,
    Mike

  • What a jerk. The employee really kept her cool. She needs a raise just for that.

  • @David, No kidding. She handled it very well, better than I would have. Me, “Excuse me sir. I am here to take your order, not your opinion. Now… would you like fries with your water?”

  • “Thread-jack Alert”

    Isn’t it very cool to see that little ol’ NZ with only 4.5mil. population is currently 12th. on the Olympic medal table, while our brother Aussies are 19th. 🙂

    I’ll gloat while I’m able, because you can be assured that the Aussies will come roaring back, if only to beat us. 🙂

  • Actually, this comment is on the appropriate topic too, don’t you think? 😉

  • Actually, on viewing the video again, I noticed how the young woman took the wind out of his sales. When the jerk drove up to the window, he clearly wanted to make her angry. He was hoping for a dramatic confrontation he could capture on video so he could say “See! Look what ‘haters’ these people are!” But the polite, harried young woman is so obviously NOT a hater that he had to shift gears. He then tried to make her feel guilty (‘how can you sleep at night?”) because he realized things were not going according to plan. (And he was still stupid enough to post the thing on YouTube, because he just couldn’t resist showing the world that he was nobly standing up for gay rights. )

    I agree that her self control was admirable. I would have lost my temper in her situation – and handed the jerk “a win.”

  • Go Kiwi’s!!!

    I was a few days in Canada. Their Olympic coverage is heart-warming.

    Go Maple Leafs!

    Back to topic, fast-food employees often get the “treatment” from irate customers, liberals, and other specimens of human flotsam.

    This idiot, as are all liberals, is too stupid to get it. Liberals’ stupidity is forgivable. The evil is not.

  • T. Shaw, I think that’s one of the nicest things you have said here at TAC: “Liberals’ stupidity is forgiveable. The evil is not.” Usually you’re an undiplomatic malcontent like me, telling the bald truth just like a skunk off gassing at Sunday morning Mass! 😉

  • PWP: It ain’t undiplomatic or uncharitable if it’s true. Here I paraphrase the famed, American philosopher, Bear Bryant (or Cassius Clay). He was referring to bragging.

    PS: The Bombers just beat the Mariner 6 – 3: complete game CC.

    Spiritual Works of Mercy:

    Admonish the sinner.

    Counsel the doubtful.

    Instruct the ignorant.

    Pray for the living and the dead (including sinners. “Those most in need of Christ’s Mercy.”)

    Plus, at the moment, Mac isn’t moderating me.

  • Oh, I agree, T. Shaw. You wrote the truth!

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEYjZGsf7xY <– Adam Smith's apology (he seems very open here).

  • He should have made it a straight up apology without the commentary on CFA.

    But, to comment on his comments, I have noticed the same sex supporters trying to re-shape the argument away from Dan Cathy’s comments to where CFA or the Cathys donate there money. If they are so outraged by this, then where were they before Dan Cathy’s comments? CFA being a Christian business is certainly nothing new. I believe the homosexual crowd were being used by the scandal pimps, getting them worked up about a company that seems so out of place in a decadent liberal world they want.

  • I feel really proud of the drive-through counter lady … She kept her cool … I would’ve lost my patience had it been me, but she kept it together … I hope CFA promoted her to deputy manager, or something …. 🙂

Hating Kids Because of the Parents

Thursday, June 2, AD 2011

One of my favorite blogs on this web tubey thing called the Internetz is Unsuck DC Metro.  As someone who has had to deal with Metro just about every working day of my life and then some, it’s fun to have a place to vent my frustration with its life-force sucking inefficiency.  Yesterday there was a post about a woman who not only changed her child’s diaper on the bus, but also left the dirty diaper under her seat after she left.  As I said in the comments the first act is somewhat forgivable, but leaving the diaper behind is both disgusting and unsanitary.  As a parent I sympathize with moms who find themselves in, ahem, sticky situations and feel that they have to deal with the diaper situation immediately.  Diaper rashes are no fun, and having a kid stick up the bus with its filled diaper isn’t good for anyone.  The mother ought to have gotten off the bus to find a more appropriate spot to change the diaper, but sometimes we all do things without thinking.  But a dirty diaper left behind on a hot bus is truly repugnant.

About ten comments down someone named “KVM” defends the decision to change the diaper on the bus while condemning the leaving behind of the diaper.  What follows was one of those 30+ comment threads that makes you weep for humanity.  I think that KVM is wrong, but some of the comments were truly disgusting.  A sampling:

Attack of the Mombie! No one is safe except her f**k trophy!

Yes yes, you were the one who made the choice to become pregnant and now the world starts and stops for you? [In reply to KVM’s complaint about people not giving up their seat to her while pregant.]

Fine fine…you say that your kids are all professionals, but what is it that YOU’VE done? Did you mary rich and then pop out a few kids? Not impressed…

Most of the comments in reply were more respectful and I think they were right in chiding the mother, yet another posted a link to this website.  It’s a compilation of facebook threads involving parent comments that annoy the blogger.  Some of the threads do involve rather obnoxious comments, others, though, are of a much more innocent variety.  Perusing the blog a bit leaves one with the impression that the blogger just doesn’t like other people ever talking about their children.

What drew my attention to these comments was how much they bristled with hostility to children.  It’s one thing to get annoyed by parents doing stupid things, but these individuals seem genuinely contemptuous of the very idea of bringing children into this world.  The first comment cited above in particular is truly disgusting.  From comments like that it’s easy to see why we still have a long ways to go before we fully instill a culture of life in this country.  Children are seen as annoyances instead of blessings, or as a certain president once implied, punishments.

And as for the blog I just mentioned, I really don’t get it.  I only joined Facebook less than a year ago, but I don’t imagine that pre-fatherhood I would have been annoyed by my friends talking about their children.  First of all, if you don’t want to de-friend them you always have the option of simply clicking off their news feed so you don’t have to read any more of their status updates.   More importantly, don’t you kind of want to know what’s going on with your friends’ kids?

All parents run the risk of being overly obsessive about their children to the point that they sort of blot out other considerations.  I personally don’t feel the need to invoke my children* in every single discussion I have.  But my kids are pretty important to me, and they’re certainly a hell of a lot more to me than some “f#$% trophy.”  As a parent I do my best when out in public with my daughter to make sure she’s not a nuisance to anyone – which is pretty much why we don’t go to any public places.**  All I ask is that you don’t treat their mere existence as inconvenience to your perfect little world.

*-With due date approaching for child number two I feel comfortable using the plural.

** – I once observed that people generally smile when they see small children out in public, the solitary exception being airports.  There people avert their glances, presumably praying that you and your child will be on another flight.

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  • Have you seen this video from Dodge? Your post reminds me of it. As one commenter said her daughter didn’t understand what the children were doing wrong. It disgusts me especially since it’s a minivan and who buys minivans…people with children. Has society become so selfish that children are horrible? Have they forgotten that they were children too at some point and somebody had to sacrificially love them?

    I suppose the best response to that nasty comment is that what “she did” was to raise her children to be model citizens. And as for pregnancy, the government says that all pregnant people should be treated as though they had a disability meaning accommodations need to be made for them. I suppose that poster wouldn’t give up his seat to a person with a prosthetic leg either. Just saying.

    http://youtu.be/GyKCxz6N9bA

  • I quite enjoyed riding the DC Metro back in the day. Has it deteriorated in the last 25 years?

  • As the owner of 2 Dodge Grand Caravans, I despise that ad, deltaflute. It blew my mind the first time I saw it, and continues to blow my mind whenever I see it subsequently.

    Here is the letter I sent to Dodge in response to the commercial:

    I am a loyal Dodge customer whose 2 most recent vehicle purchases were Dodge Grand Caravans, including one in 2010. I recently viewed with horror your ad that depicts having children as something to be avoided. Just who do you think buys minivans anyway (clue: people with children). Which raises the question of why you feel the need to go out of your way to insult them? Is it going to help you sell these family vehicles by making families feel like personae non gratae?

    Do you REALLY believe the childless and cynical Daily Show “smart set” to whom the commercial was obviously geared is going to buy a vehicle that averages around 20 mpg? Does it make you feel better about selling a vehicle that gets comparatively crummy gas mileage and thereby pollutes the environment more than other cars if you can make common cause with the sorts of people who view children as just another pollutant with a set of carbon footprints? Although the “smart set” may concur with the sentiment of the ad, they’ll be laughing on their way to buying a Prius.

    Meanwhile, you’ve just angered a loyal customer who, although considering buying a Sienna last year, instead relied on my good experience with the Grand Caravan I purchased in 2002 (and still drive) and decided to buy another one. In making that decision, my wife and I took our kids with us to the dealership – they, like the children you disparage in the ad, crawled in and out and all over the interior of the vehicle (and, gasp, may have been a little loud), but I’m sure the salesperson and the dealership were more than happy to have sold the vehicle, which we bought due in no small part to our kids’ enthusiasm for it.

    Well, I won’t be making that mistake again, unless I receive a written formal apology and Dodge makes a public statement of regret for running this abysmal ad. Believe me when I tell you that I am NOT the only parent who feels this way. You WILL lose customers over this unless you act to repair the damage you have done by gratuitously insulting those most likely to buy a Dodge minivan.

    Yours truly,
    James T. “Jay” Anderson
    Norwalk, OH

  • Oops, the entire letter was meant to be in italics, not just the first paragraph.

  • Art,

    Yes it has gotten progressively worse, especially in the 3 years since the crash on the Red Line. There are seldom days that pass where there is not at least one significant delay. The Red Line used to be fairly reliable but has been a major source of frustration. I guess I should be thankful that I don’t take the orange/blue.

    Jay – fixed it for you.

  • Paul,

    I think you have slightly missed the target with your title. You generously assume these people hate children because of their parents. I submit a lot of them just hate children. Period.

    Why? There are various reasons. Some never picture themselves as children who could be annoying. They were always as pleasant and enlightening as they are now. But I suspect a lot of them hate children because children are the enemy of their sex lives. Jen @ Conversion Diary wrote a piece on this topic awhile back, but I’m too lazy to look it up.

    I also read secular comment threads where the child haters come out in force sometimes. It really does make you want to weep for humanity.

  • I think you have slightly missed the target with your title.

    You have a point. It’s clear some of these people simply hate children.

  • Bingo Jenny. There have always been selfish and obnoxious people, but lately our society appears to be producing an overabundance of them, and many of them despise kids and the people who have kids. Who they expect to pay the taxes to support them in their swiftly approaching declining years, or to tend to them as they become feeble as toddlers or infants, but without the inherent charm, is a mystery to me, but foresight has never been an attribute of those only out for number one.

  • You know, I realize that talking about my kids all the time can probably be annoying. But I’m a stay-at-home-mom, so my kids are my job. Being with and taking care of them is what I do from the time I rise in the morning until the time they go to sleep at night; and even then I’m still on call for night time accidents, getting water, scaring away monsters, etc. So it’s inevitable that I’m going to talk about my kids. A lot.

    What kills me about this, though is that the same people who are put off by a discussion of children have no qualms about regaling others with work stories day in and day out. Like those aren’t boring? I put up with people telling work stories all the time, and I always put on my best face and try to be sympathetic. After all, I worked outside the home once, too and I know how it is. I just wish parents would get the same courtesy instead of having my kids be called something as horrendous as a “f&$@ trophy.”

  • Oh, and the diaper thing. That’s pretty gross. You’d never catch me doing that and the lady in question deserved a bit of scorn for that.

  • Many, many moons ago while trapped on an airplane I had to change a diaper. Not a pleasant task, espcially since the cramped little lavatory there didn’t have a pull down changing board. Most airplanes I’ve been on do. Not sure why that one was different. Anyway, I ended up changing the baby in the seat, much to the dismay of the woman behind us. Hey, at least I put the old diaper in a plastic baggie and put it in the diaper bag for disposal later.

    As to who these people think will be around to look after them in their declining years? I’m sure they’ve never thought about it. They probably think their Soc Sec. 401K, pension and IRAs will take care of them. I can’t count the number of articles I’ve seen that report on how having a child kills your career (if you are a woman) and can leave you penniless.

    I imagine the implication is that most people think parents are on food stamps and welfare types. An aquaintance of mine, by no means poor, but with several little ones, went to the store. When it came time to pay the bill, the cashier requested her food stamps card…

  • Just saw the minivan commercial. Yeah, but I guess I’m a little willing to be forgiving for that one since I know the thought behind it. Couple months back, an internet news site came out with an article on the” Man Van”. Dodge is trying to beef up its imagine with guys with leather trim and a bigger engine. That article got me into the dealership and we did, in fact, buy the car, although the official “Man Van” version isn’t supposed to come out until July (its a trim thing they said; the bigger engine is standard.)

    Comments on that article basically said something along the lines of “It’s a minivan. Minivans are for moms. Real men don’t like them.” And frankly, I can’t see a unmarried w/o kids male getting one. A truck maybe. Or an SUV. There was a sweet Jeep or SUV (can’t tell the difference) that my sons and their friends (yes, I took my boys’ friends car shopping with me. One is a middle schooler…) begged me to get. It had the Black Ops logo emblazened on it and came with a headset! I personally liked the pickup with this awesome forest green paint job.

    But we got the 2011 silver minivan. First brand new car I have ever owned. Love it. The commercial, not so much. I hope Dodge fires the marketing people who came up with that ad. They’ve got a great product, and I want it to be available again in another decade, which it won’t be if they irritate their prime audience. I’m willing to be forgivable. But there are limits…

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  • *shrug* Selfish people suck. The net just gives them a way to show it off, and get positive reenforcement.

    <3 minivans.
    I'd offer the balancing point that my husband would be glad to buy a minivan even if he wasn't married with children…but he's practical and doesn't care about appearances*, and likes our van because it’s got as much room as a pickup, more comfortable seats, good gas mileage, parks like a car and it’s easy to get parts. It does everything he loved about his SUV, with better stability and lower insurance.

    * I think he may enjoy screwing with folks’ heads, too. Just a bit….

  • A friend of mine as a minivan but does not like it. Too big. But she needs to haul both people and items around, so she is stuck with it. Her husband on the other hand likes it very much.

  • The “h” key isn’t working so well right now…

  • Personally, I wonder if much of what appears to be contempt for, or hatred of, children stems more from fear than malice — fear that the children we see are inevitably going to be hurt and corrupted and messed up by the world and society around us, and there is little or nothing we can do to stop it, so why even bother. How often do you hear well-meaning people say “I can’t stand the thought of bringing children into a world like this”? How often are you tempted to think this yourself — especially since we as Christians have an even harder time swimming upstream against the cultural tides, so to speak, than our secularized neighbors?

  • “How often do you hear well-meaning people say “I can’t stand the thought of bringing children into a world like this”?”

    Almost never Elaine. I normally hear that from juveniles in adult bodies who are doing their best to never grow up and accept responsibility for something a tad more important than themselves. The true crisis of our time is a mass flight from concepts like duty, responsibility and sacrifice by a literally demoralized society.

  • I’ve, sadly, got to second Donald’s observation: everyone I’ve heard talk about how it’s not worth bringing children into such a horrible world, or some variation, soon make it clear that they’re focused on how it would hurt their own lifestyle.

    Some folks may very well think and believe it honestly, but they’re generally the sort that won’t even look into marriage in that situation.