Vatican II has been a disaster for the Church and the only thing we can truly learn from it is how not to do a Church Council.
Burn of the Day
- Donald R. McClarey
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 43 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
They refuse to acknowledge reality. Sad.
I think it’s going to take a Pope born after 1970 to get away from the fever pitch of “rah rah Vatican II hooray!” at this point – someone who wasn’t alive for it and thus only will muster some fake lip service toward the “goodness” of the council.
The true spirit of Vatican 2 hasn’t been tried yet.
More felt banners might help, though.
Just like my kids got tired of me saying “I finally understand the French Revolution” through the Obamabiden years, I finally understand the “Jesus and me” Protestant Revolution. Not saying it will alter my allegiance to Christ’s church, but the inexplicable becomes understandable.
So I guess that means we’ll be:
Seeing increased amounts of Latin in the Mass
Hearing more Gregorian Chant
Reducing the number of “extraordinary” ministers
That *would* come of the reading of the documents, but I’m certain that will be ignored in favor of “discerning” the Spirit of Vatican II ™
Bruised,
I’ve been dodging the ordinary-extraordinary for quite some time now. The key is to be in the middle, on the end, kneel.. waiting for impostors to dissipate, then dart out in line for the priest at the very last minute if the priest is on the opposite side, never cut the line, be last.
The quote completely misses the point of the original text.
“Although the time separating us from this event is not very long, it is also true that the generation of bishops, theologians, and believers of Vatican II is no longer with us. Therefore, while we feel called not to extinguish its prophetic spirit and to continue seeking ways and means to implement its insights, it will be important to become familiar with it again, not through hearsay or the interpretations that have been given of it, but by rereading its Documents and reflecting on their content. This is, in fact, the Magisterium that still constitutes the guiding star of the Church’s journey.”
“Synodal” is NOT the “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.”
End of discussion.
For some it would appear that the “spirit of Vatican II” has replaced Jesus Christ as the Church’s one foundation. When do we see disciplining of “spirit of Vatican II” advocates for misrepresenting Vatican II? The church at Corinth had those who thought that their knowledge of the pagan idols being false made it possible for them to eat meat offered to idols in violation of the Council of Jerusalem ban on this practice. The “spirit of Jerusalem” in action. St. Paul gave them correction in First Corinthians.
1. If possible, go to a Tridentine Mass.
2. If not available, petition the bishop for the FSSP or the ICKSP.
3. If stuck with a Martin, Cupich, Weissberger, petition the FSSPX or move.
4. If none of these are possible, offer it up for the Holy Souls.
5. Maybe Trump can help….look, the guy nailed Maduro, the crooked Ayatollah may be fleeing, the commies in Cuba are in deep *&#@ and even Perto is coming around.
Was everyone pleased with St JP II and Benedict XIV?
They were council fathers and seemed to try and incorporate the council.
They both did it without trying to launch a war against traditional Catholics as Francis did. Benedict was one of the “experts” at Vatican II. His enthusiasm was for the Council was much tempered with experience. John Paul II spent much of his pontificate fighting the craziness that took root in the Church after Vatican II.