His city of Chicago has some of the most stringent gun laws in the country, and last year had 797 homicides, one of the highest murder rates for a major city in this country. Unless he is very stupid, a possibility I readily concede, I can only assume he knows that what he is peddling is congealed mendacity. However, if a law were ever passed confiscating the 200 million guns in private hands in this country, I would hope that Cupich would be one of the agents paid to go door to door on the South side of Chicago collecting gangbanger guns.
“Man Who Almost Certainly Subscribes To JEPD Hypothesis About Old Testament Gets Startlingly-Literal When Talking About Politics.”
The fake Catholics like Cupich are actually the most heinous politicians this country have ever had. Yes, they are nothing but politicos who care nothing about saving souls but join in with the Satanic inspired politicians who serve themselves and work endlessly to damn souls for eternity.
Sadly, Cardinal Cupich and his ilk aren’t the only wannabe gun grabbers in the American episcopate!
Good one, Dale. I pray frequently that the bishops, especially of the USA, might go back to being shepherds of the flock and teachers of the true Faith. OT for this thread, but I would suggest the first step in that process might be to pull the plug on the millions of dollars the USCCB collects annually from the Federal government for “refugee resettlement.” I have seen accounts alleging that the “resettlement” process largely involves the USCCB’s paid agents, including but not limited to Catholic Charities, which for this and other reasons no longer receives any money from our household, participating in the covert transport of illegal immigrants from border areas into the rest of the country, with neither notice to, nor permission from, local authorities in the target cities. Grifting is bad enough for ordained clergy, but it’s even worse when disguised as charity.
Funny, pathetic and true
“Man Who Almost Certainly Subscribes To JEPD Hypothesis About Old Testament Gets Startlingly-Literal When Talking About Politics.”
Really such people are just without Faith.
Each word drips logical fallacy.
I’ve owned and shot many guns for about 56 years. Apparently, they all are malfunctioning. None has auto-kinetically jumped up and shot in the face someone’s grandmother or any school child.
In fact, our freedoms/rights are given by God Almighty.
Men instituted governments, e.g., the US Constitution and Bill of Rights to stop the sate from infringing on man’s inalienable, God-given freedoms.
“Our children have rights too. And our elected officials have a moral duty to protect them”. Funny that. Millions and counting don’t get the same rights when they are in the womb. Typical song from him jumping on the latest public outrage du jour.
The only thing I never understood is why are weapons such as the semi-automatic used by the school shooter be allowed to be sold to civilians? What use would an ordinary person have for such a powerful weapon? Should the topic of “gun rights” not be whether guns should be banned, but rather, what type of guns should not be allowed to be in possession of certain members of the public who have no use for them practically. If the purpose of a gun is self-defence and sport (hunting) then why on earth should any old person be allowed to come into possession of a weapon, such as a semi-automatic rifle and high-capacity magazines, which has the potential to inflict maximum damage if it ended up in the wrong hands? That’s a fair question.
The Second Amendment, should not be the banner under which mentally ill people obtain weapons. Ever.
Also, most guns today are semi automatic. I live in a state (MA) where there’s a 10 round limit capacity for any magazine. Although I understand that magazines can be changed, there is some thing I think in the mindset of a psychotic holding a large magazine. I’m not at all against limiting magazines to 10 rounds, However I do not live by myself out in the desert where I could be attacked by drug bandits. Treating mental illness and never letting the mentally ill obtain a weapon is a good place to start.
“That’s a fair question.”
The Second Amendment is not only concerned about private defense or hunting. It is there primarily for armed citizens to provide a last ditch defense against tyranny by the government.
https://the-american-catholic.com/2016/06/16/justice-breyer-the-second-amendment-and-federalist-46-2/
Ezabelle,
Semi auto is what many hunters use for the obvious reason that if you hit the animal and injure it, you don’t have to leave the animal suffering while you re- load the gun. It doesn’t shoot more than one bullet each time you pull the trigger- that would be an automatic.
The Second Amendment, should not be the banner under which mentally ill people obtain weapons. Ever.
If someone is so mentally ill that they cannot have a gun, they are too mentally ill to be allowed on the street. Someone that will kill you with a gun will kill you with a car will kill you with a knife, or blanket, or to be sincerely original example, a rock.
Every time that some murderous SOB goes into a deliberately disarmed area and shoots the carefully disarmed and undefended people, the response is the same– disarm more people.
Generally with a strong focus on the most vulnerable. That is what demands to get rid of those firearms which can be fired many times without reloading does– if you are old, or have limited mobility, or only have one hand, you want a weapon that can fire, repeatedly, without a lot of effort.
We furthermore know that when the most basic right of self defense is not recognized, even against the government, it results in very nasty body counts.
Firearms are not that good for “maximum damage”, even in the wrong hands, unless people have taken great efforts to remove all the safeties in place to stop those with ill will from being stopped.
Which is why mass shootings are overwhelmingly in areas where firearms are banned.
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/06/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/
Before someone gets all cute about how I act like this is personal– it is personal. My cousin, a fire fighter, was called in to the mall where his wife and mother in law were supposed to be shopping. Portland. Attempted mass shooting.
Stopped by a concealed carry guy who paid close attention to the law, noted that their “no weapons” sign did not have the force of law, and figured that stopping a mass murder was more important than not getting banned from a mall.
I also use to shop at the El Paso Walmart that is a legally enforceable gun-free zone. One of my home-school group ladies left the building about half an hour before the shooter got there. I take the fifth on if I complied with their legal right to bar self defense without taking reasonable steps to provide protection.
More years ago, and I never got the chance to meet the lady, but my mom’s classmate was murdered by her ex.
Her beaten-bloody corpse was found next to her purse, which held the restraining order, and the slip so she could be allowed to pick up a firearm, in a few days.
For bonus fun, they didn’t tell her that he’d been released from jail. So she couldn’t even be on the lookout for an attack.
My mom is still angry with herself, decades later, that she didn’t bully the lady into taking mom’s pistol.
Contrast with one of my bootcamp mates’ mom.
Big guy, joined the Navy to make an honest living– spent his entire signing bonus to get a good pistol for his mom, make sure she knew how to use it, and had the ammo.
A few weeks into bootcamp, she shot one of his classmates– who knew she had serious health issues, and thus probably had meds, and that her protector was gone.
He was coming in the window with a hunting knife and duct tape.
I very much support this kind of “gun violence.”
“Every time that some murderous SOB goes into a deliberately disarmed area and shoots the carefully disarmed and undefended people, the response is the same– disarm more people.”
But for some it’s not disarm more people but rather how do you disarm the ill-intended. It’s unanimous that you disarm the ill-intended…
sigh I’ll just admit that I don’t get it. So I’ll bow out of the conversation.
Not many people realize that the United States does not have the highest gun:citizen ratio. Switzerland has more guns per person than the USA, but far, far fewer instances of gun violence per capita.
I’d say that crimes like what happened in Uvalde aren’t a gun problem as much as they are a mental health problem. And let’s be honest— if someone’s willing to shoot up a church or a school but doesn’t have access to guns, they’ll just find another way to murder.
Prayers for the families and deceased. The illness and motivation of the assailant is tragic.
I haven’t read anything pointing to his reasoning. I’m wondering if he heard voices in his head or abused drugs?
The why won’t change the damage done and unfortunately ill individuals will find a way to hurt themselves and others by any means possible.
I pray this form of atrocity ceases but in a world which life itself isn’t respected and cheapened by the license to kill innocent children in the womb, my guess is that we will many more days like the one we just witnessed.
God help US.
Our northern Michigan State Hospital which housed mentally ill patients was closed in 1980. Funding, I believe, was the primary reason for it’s closure.
How many other State run facilities followed suit?
May 18, 1927
Bath Township Michigan
Worst school attack in American history killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people.
The murderer used explosives.
Fringe. When human life is cheapened more maniacs roam…
Roe is about to be repealed.
We have work to do.
Beta O’Rourke.
There was a similar school shooting in CT in December 2012.
In January 2013, knee-jerk NYS passed the [unconstitutional] SAFE Act.
In May 2022 a NY tango used a scary-looking weapon with massive bullet capacity to kill 10 Buffalo people.
In Uvalde, it wasn’t me.
Infringing on my freedoms won’t stop these criminals and mad men.
The problem is not the mentally-defective, murderous SOB’s killing innocents.
The problem is commie SOBs [that pray to their Satanic overlords that sick killers kill with scary-looking guns] getting in your face and screaming about confiscating your 400,000,000 guns.
I admit I’m baffled as to how this guy scraped up the $2000 to buy an AR-15. Broken family, no father, mom with drug problems, living in a house rented out to his mother and him by the grandmother he tried to kill.
I said that Cardinal Cupich and his ilk aren’t the only wannabe gun grabbers among the American episcopate. Exhibit A
https://twitter.com/archcordileone/status/1529485055206248448?s=21&t=EHPuvD7RBD4CvWkSlmloLg
“spent his entire signing bonus to get a good pistol for his mom, make sure she knew how to use it, and had the ammo.“
Signing bonus? I had to reenlist after a few hard years sweating and slaving in the pit (boiler room for all you non sailor types) to get a meager 10 grand spread out over four years, although I got the first half up front, a little over 4 grand after Uncle Shuga got his cut! And then had to sweat and slave in an even worse pit (life aboard an Adams class guided missile destroyer was harder than that on an Austin class LPD for hole snipes) after that!
He’s the American voice to the pope, right?
It’s interesting how many will do whatever they can to disassociate the easy availability of automatic weapons, even by the mentally ill, from the chronic rounds of mass shootings in the US. Instead, reduced church attendance, rising divorce rates, lower marriage rates and other alleged social ills are to blame. And yet, other developed nations with even lower rates of church attendance, higher rates of divorce and even more secular cultures have rates of violent crimes that are barely a fraction of those in the US and mass shootings are almost unheard of. What is the one thing they do that we do not? Regulate gun ownership and usage. Go figure.
Automatic weapons are NOT sold to the public at large. AR’s are not automatic weapons. That is massive misinformation deliberately told by the anti 2nd amendment crowd and have people such as you believing them. AR’s are semi-automatic meaning you have to pull the trigger each time you want to fire a bullet. An automatic weapon fires continually with one trigger pull. As long as you hold the trigger in the firing position it will fire round after round until you run out of ammo. Think machine guns or Tommy guns like Al Capone and his chumps had. I have a feeling also that you think AR means assault rifle. Wrong. It is the name of a company called ArmaLite which produces rifles. AR15 being one of them. Misinformation such as this causes arguments about guns where their should be none.
Self-defense is a God given right expressed as our Second Amendment. Britain has done away with fire arms. Murder has increased fourfold by knife. Britain has done away with the plea of self-defense in a court of law. A Constitutional Republic is superior to a monarchy.
t’s interesting how many will do whatever they can to disassociate the easy availability of automatic weapons
Private citizens in the US cannot legally own automatic weapons unless they are rendered inoperable. If the easy availability of automatic weapons were the cause of mass shootings, there would be no Swiss or Israelis in the world. Gun ownership per household was higher in the US fifty years ago before mass shootings became a thing.
Automatic weapons can and are owned by citizens but they are heavily taxed, special silencing, Federally licensed gun shop owners in certain cases. My son’s father in law owns three such automatics fully lawful but it costs him and arm and leg to license them and his life continually scrutinized by the Feds.
Oh and they are fully operable.
other developed nations with even lower rates of church attendance, higher rates of divorce and even more secular cultures have rates of violent crimes that are barely a fraction of those in the US and mass shootings are almost unheard of. What is the one thing they do that we do not? Regulate gun ownership and usage. Go figure.*
North Korea and China have zero legal gun ownership, and yet millions of people are murdered in those places every year … Of course, in those places it’s the government murdering them. Go figure
You are correct OC, but for practical purposes it is a very limited privilege:
https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/#
Sixteen states outright ban machine guns. Illinois is one of those states.
Yeah Don. I should have made it more clear instead of saying the ‘public at large’ could not own a machine gun.
CAG: Of course, in those places it’s the government murdering them. Go figure
Most people assume 2nd amendment just gives me the right to own firearms for hunting, sport shooting or the occasional defending life and property. They would be wrong. It is precisely to arm people against a rogue government intent of taking our rights away. Including our government. You think we should not be afraid of our government taking away our rights? Really? They are intent of taking freedom of speech away with censorship, curtailing our freedom of religion, bulldozing our freedom to defend ourselves. So tell us. Do we wait for the government to disarm us before we fight back? Ask Venezuela or the former Soviet Union how that worked(works) out for them. How about Germany in the ’30s when the citizens were told they didn’t need to protect themselves anymore that the government(NAZI) were going to protect them and so disarmed the populace. Do you think Obama, Biden et al would not have steamrolled us with socialism/communism by now if they knew we could fight back? Be afraid of our government. Be very afraid.
The question has come up only a few times in my 40 years in the law mines and in Illinois we don’t even get to the Federal statute due to the state ban. The last time I fired an automatic weapon was in the Army around 44 years ago. I recall that the M-16 on full auto was hard to handle and our instructor telling us that full auto only wasted ammunition unless an enemy was right on top of you. Machine guns almost never being used in crime are testimony to their expense and lack of utility for unskilled gangbangers.
I think though not very sure that it is why military issue rifles shoot in in automatic bursts of 3 rounds and single shot.
The M16A2 came into use in the eighties. It had the burst feature you refer to, which I think would have been of more utility to the average grunt than the full auto of the earlier M-16 variants.
OrdinaryCatholic:
Yeah, you’re preaching to the choir here … I was replying to John, I just haven’t mastered the quoting thing 🙂