Res & Explicatio for A.D. 5-13-2009

Salvete AC readers!

Here are today’s Top Picks in the Catholic world:

1.  Mark Shea has accused the pro-life anti-abortion torture defenders for creating the ‘nightmare’ of Patriot Act abuse.  A homeschooled kid was arrested under suspicion of sending death threats to President Obama via his computer.  It seems as if someone hijacked his IP address to issue those death threats.  As of now he is in jail and hasn’t been allowed to meet his family nor lawyers.

To read Mark Shea’s posting on this click here.

2.  Child molesters in the Church again?  Nope, but the mainstream media isn’t picking up on the story of a Los Angeles school district ‘repeatedly’ returning child molesters to the classrooms.  In a front page story on May 10 the Los Angeles Times reported that the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) “repeatedly” returned teachers and aides credibly accused of child molestation back to classrooms, and these individuals then molested children again.  The major networks, MSNBC, and CNN have failed to pick up on this story.

For the full story by Dave Pierre of NewBusters click here.

3.  It seems that Fr. John Jenkins believes in the promotion of condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.  Which is directly contrary to Pope Benedict XVI’s (as well as the Magisterium’s teaching) statement that condoms were not the solution to the problem of AIDS.  Fr. Jenkins, the President of Notre Dame, is a board member of Millennium Promise which promotes condom use to fight the spread of AIDS.

For the article click here.

[Update I:I want to make an addendum that so many of you insist I make.  I want to also add that Fr. John Jenkins seems to support abortion as well as condom usage.

Millenium Promise, the organization that Fr. John Jenkins is a board member of clearly states on their very own website the following:

(http://www.millenniumpromise.org/site/DocServer/Millennium_Development_Goals_Report_2008.pdf?docID=1841)

Which can be found on the main webpage of Millenium Promise.  Emphasis mine.:

Page 84 of Millenium Villages Handbook on condom usage:

Budget and Procurement. The budget for the HIV/AIDS response depends on a number of factors. On the treatment side, the major budgetary concern is the provision of ARV drugs to those in need. Beyond ARV costs, other costs include staffing, other medication, CD4 counts, prevention programming, condom provision, nutritional supplementation, and VHW support.

Page 85 of Millenium Villages Handbook on condom usage:

Communication for Preventing Disease and Changing Behavior: Behavior change communication plays a key role in preventing the spread of HIV and must be seen as a central element in any response to HIV/AIDS. This core intervention includes education, awareness building, advocacy, condom distribution, and education (both male and female), rights building, and voluntary counseling and testing (VCT) promotion among other activities.

Page 92 of Millenium Villages Handbook on condom usage:

Contraception and family planning: Family planning and contraception services are critical to allow women to choose family size and birth spacing, to combat sexually transmitted infections, including HIV infection, and contribute to the reduction of maternal morbidity and mortality. Services include: (1) Counseling; (2) Male and female condoms; (3) Pharmacologic contraceptives including oral, transdermal, intramuscular, and implanted methods; and (4) IUDs

Page 92 of Millenium Villages Handbook on abortion:

Abortion services: In countries where abortion is legal, safe abortion services in controlled settings by skilled practitioners should be established. In villages with a nearby district center with sound surgical capacity, these services can be referred. However, in instances where no district center or alternate post for safe abortion practices is accessible, abortion services can be offered at the village level, provided that sufficient surgical capacity exists.]

4.  Egyptians are moving closer to attaining the right to convert from Islam.  A ruling is expected soon that could alter the judicial landscape in Egypt by making it easier to convert out of Islam without legal hurdles.  In addition, this could also open the floodgates of conversions that have kept hundreds of thousands from converting out of fear of death.  The vast majority of conversions would be to Christianity.

For the rest of the story click here.

5.  George Weigel wrote an excellent column concerning Pope Benedict XVI’s pilgrimage to the Holy Land.  He illuminates the pilgrimage through the lens of Sacred Scripture.

For the story click here.

6.  For the last Res & Explicatio click here.

7.  For the latest news on the Catholic Church worldwide click here.

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paul zummo
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 8:44am

It is unfortunate, but unsurprising, that Mr. Shea’s response to the evidence that there is more to the story – in fact, that the underlying premise is 100% false – is to retort, “But Charles Krauthammer is eeevil.” Well, perhaps, and I’m no supporter of Charles K’s stance on torture, but that doesn’t make the story one is relating any more true.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 8:53am

I’m a bit surprised by his statement, but that is what he wrote and I printed it word for word. I can understand his passion, but to paint a whole swath of good Catholics as part of the problem in abusing the Patriot Act is a bit much.

DarwinCatholic
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:09am

Yeah, it sounds like on Shea’s story, the kid was arrested on a standard federal warrant (no Patriot Act invocation), the charge is that he repeatedly called in false bomb threats to schools in return for money from students (who wanted the day off), and he’s a known internet prank caller — though his mother disputes that he ever made bomb threats, and he has in fact been charge and appeared in court several times along with a state appointed attourney.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/teenage-bomb-threat-suspect-was-an-internet-prank-phone-call-star/

So nearly everything Shea is basing his post on is wrong, but aside from that…

I hope this isn’t a sign of Bush derangement syndrome morphing seamlessly into Obama derangement syndrome. There are enough real bad things to decry about the current administration without people insisting that homeschoolers are being scooped up by a Patriot Act weilding Obama and imprisoned without charge.

DarwinCatholic
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:09am

Very good news from Egypt, though. Especially as per the discussion we were having on that topic last week.

Phillip
Phillip
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:12am

These comments on Mark’s blog sum up the problem with his post:

Some kid gets arrested because of a law passed in 1939 which, sensibly enough, makes it illegal to make bomb threats by phone. His mother believes him to be innocent and says that this law passed in 1939 is somehow connected to the Patriot Act. Obviously she’s partial in this, and doesn’t know anything about the law, and is upset by the charges against her son. But what’s Mark’s excuse? What would make Mark spread the lie that this is about the Patriot Act, or uncritically repeat the kid’s mother’s assertions of his innocence?
Thomas | 05.10.09 – 11:00 am | #

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I do not like cops or the government. However, from the press release issued by the Department of Justice, the kid was arrested under Title 18, USC Sec 844(e). The press release also states that the charge is unrelated to the Patriot Act. A Federal Warrant was issued which means a Judge signed off on it.
Rafael | 05.10.09 – 1:18 pm | #

I am saddened by this article from mark Shea. If time had been taken to read three or four “current” articles on this situation, one would clearly see that the Patriot Act was not used in this instance, that long standing law was utilized, that the initial stories from the mother have been retracted and further that the quote from Charles Krauthammer (sp) has nothing to do with this case and that the quote used actually misrepresents the article that it is taken from. I enjoy Mark Shea’s articles on theology and catholic belief but this article is shameful for its lack of research and representation of incorrect facts as truth.
Mike in Lebanon Kentucky | 05.11.09 – 11:30 am | #

Blackadder
Blackadder
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:19am

It seems that Fr. John Jenkins believes in the promotion of condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.

This does not seem to be supported by the linked to article. Father Jenkins apparently sits on the board of an organization that supports the Millennium Development Goals. Well, the Vatican also supports the Millennium Development Goals. If the fact Father Jenkins sits on a board that supports the MDG means that he believes in promoting condom use to fight AIDS, then logically one would have to conclude that the Vatican also supports this, which is absurd.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:22am

Darwin,

Yes that story from Egypt is heart-warming. The judge could still rule against the convert, thus denying his right to a new ID card showing him as a Christian. But the convert has all his paperwork in order, so it will be interesting how the judge rules and what reasoning he uses to deny his request to change his ID card to show that he is a Christian and not a Muslim.

Mike Petrik
Mike Petrik
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:23am

Thomas,
Furthermore, it is possible that the mother may not be as innocent as we might otherwise assume:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519570,00.html

Mike,
Yes, Mark has a short trigger. He has sound moral instincts, and I’m sure he is a good egg, but he routinely lets himself get offended before he has all the facts. And as the facts come in he shifts to painting straw men with a very broad brush and then proceeds to vigorously argue with them. It is torturous to observe, and since I oppose torture I seldom visit there anymore.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:29am

Blackadder,

The Vatican supports the MGD, but the Vatican is not on the Millennium Promise as a board member.

Logically you don’t make sense.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:48am

Vatican is not on the Millennium Promise as a board member.

That’s true but irrelevant. The supposedly bad thing about Father Jenkins being on the board of Millennium Promise is that the organization supports the Millennium Development Goals, which the Vatican also supports.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 9:52am

BlackadderIV,

Yes, it is true that both the Vatican [ed.-actually, the Vatican doesn’t support MGD after further research] and Fr. Jenkins support the Millennium Development Goals, but the Vatican is not on the board of Millennium Promise and Fr. Jenkins is.

Hence since Millennium Promise pushes condom use to prevent the further spread of AIDS and that Fr. Jenkins is a board member, then Fr. Jenkins by default supports condom usage.

That in itself creates a scandal, even if the perception of a scandal is apparent, then Fr. Jenkins should not be a board member at all.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:03am

Hence since Millennium Promise pushes condom use to prevent the further spread of AIDS

What is the evidence that Millennium Promise pushes condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS? The only evidence cited in the article is that the group supports the MDG. Clearly this is not good evidence, as the Vatican itself supports the MDG.

Maybe Millennium Promise supports condoms. Maybe it supports Satanic child sacrifice. Who knows. All I know is that the linked to article provides no evidence in support of the claim that the group (and by extension, Father Jenkins) does support condoms.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:07am

BlackadderIV,

The Vatican clearly does not support the MGD’s. You know it and I know it. The Vatican would not support condom usage and abortion. Besides, nowhere in the article does it say that the Vatican supports MGD’s.

Fr. Jenkins on the other hand by his being a board member MP that supports condom usage and abortions, has not distanced himself from those MGD’s that support it.

Michael Denton
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:12am

Tito:

I agree with Blackadder on this one. The article provides a weak link, too weak to charitably launch a criticism that assumes Jenkins is weak on contraception.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:17am

Michael Denton,

As a board member of a pro-life organization I would not want my organization endorsing causes that go counter to Catholic teaching. I would resign or work towards amending the predicament.

Fr. Jenkins has compromised himself by being a board member of said group. Fr. Jenkins is also president of Notre Dame, so we can assume he is very careful about what organizations he is a member of. He holds a high profile position and should be careful as a representative of the Catholic Church and her teachings. By being a board member he gives unwarranted assurances that it is o.k. to pass out condoms and procure abortions for whatever reasons.

We can debate where the link is weak or not.

The fact remains that it is causing scandal by his mere association, even more so now that he has made the monumental blunder of not only inviting the most pro-abortion president to speak, but also giving him an honorary degree in which creates more scandal.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:39am

The Vatican clearly does not support the MGD’s. You know it and I know it. The Vatican would not support condom usage and abortion. Besides, nowhere in the article does it say that the Vatican supports MGD’s.

The title of the article from Zenit I linked to is “Holy See Promotes Millennium Goals at U.N.” The first sentence of the article states “The Holy See urged the United Nations to deliver on the Millennium Development Goals, saying that ‘it is an obligation in justice.'” I’m not sure how you can say that “nowhere in the article does it say that the Vatican supports MGD’s.”

Fr. Jenkins on the other hand by his being a board member MP that supports condom usage and abortions

Again, there’s no evidence that Millennium Promise does support condom usage and abortions. If you can produce some evidence that it does so, then okay, you’d have a point about Jenkins being a board member. But one shouldn’t accuse Father Jenkins (or anyone else) of supporting condom usage or belonging to an organization that supports condom usage unless one has some evidence that these claims are actually true.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:41am

BlackadderIV,

I don’t have the link to the Zenit article you are referencing.

The mere fact that MP supports MGD is enough to cause scandal. Even the perception of support is enough to cause scandal.

Clearly you and I disagree on whether Fr. Jenkins supports condoms and abortion.

We can leave it at that.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 10:55am

Tito,

The link is here.

John Henry
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:01am

Here’s part of the article if you are having trouble with the link:

NEW YORK, SEPT. 18, 2005 (ZENIT.org).- The Holy See urged the United Nations to deliver on the Millennium Development Goals, saying that “it is an obligation in justice.”

Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Vatican secretary of state, stressed the importance of the development goals, which include eradicating half of the world’s poverty by 2015, in his address to the U.N. General Assembly on Friday.

“It remains an obligation in justice in the service of human dignity to attain and even to surpass the Millennium Development Goals, thereby establishing an essential pre-condition for peace and collective security, and for the elimination or substantial reduction of the threat from terrorism and international crime,” he said.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:02am

BlackAdderIV,

Thank you for the link.

It seems the Vatican is clearly backing the MGD’s in rectifying the situation of the poor. That’s what I read in the article.

I do see where you are coming from and I do agree with it to an extent. But assuming you are correct, Fr. Jenkins is still causing scandal by the mere appearance of support of condom use.

Thank you for the vibrant discussion. You never fail to offer a positive and constructive debate.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:03am

Btw, where did the stuff about abortion come from? You started out by saying that Father Jenkins supported condom use to fight AIDS, and then at some point started adding “and abortion” to the end of your claims that Father Jenkins supports condoms. What’s up with that?

Michael Denton
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:06am

Tito:

Since you say:

But assuming you are correct, Fr. Jenkins is still causing scandal by the mere appearance of support of condom use.

I think that then you should alter these claims in the original post:

It seems that Fr. John Jenkins believes in the promotion of condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS.

and

Fr. Jenkins, the President of Notre Dame, is a board member of Millennium Promise which promotes condom use to fight the spread of AIDS.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:07am

But assuming you are correct, Fr. Jenkins is still causing scandal by the mere appearance of support of condom use.

I don’t think scandal can be properly based on false accusations made against someone. Suppose I said that the American Catholic blog supported condoms, and repeated the claim a bunch of times. Would that mean that you should resign from the blog, because even the mere appearance of support of condom use was causing scandal? I don’t think so.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:08am

I continued reading the MGD and it shows that abortion is a contentious issue within the UN in further developing the MGD’s to include abortion.

What’s up with your hostility?

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:09am

Michael Denton,

No such thing will be done.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:10am

BA,

There is a clear link between the MGD and MP. You can debate until your face turns blue, but you can’t argue with facts.

paul zummo
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:10am

I think Tito might have picked up on one of these articles:

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s=228024285a02e66b8f754d589f7b900a&showtopic=93977&mode=threaded

A further issue of concern is Millennium Development Goal #5 which is to “Improve Maternal Health.” In 2005 there was an enormous campaign to change MDG#5 to include women’s reproductive health – a code word for abortion. This campaign failed, but there is still an ongoing power struggle over this issue. Some organizations such as UNICEF and UNFPA have issued public documents stating that women’s reproductive health is indeed now included as part of the Millennium Development Goals.

Since those seeking to incorporate abortion rights in the MDG failed in their efforts, it seems unfair to include abortion in the litany of accusations against Fr. Jenkins. That said, MDG#6 is pretty clear in its promotion of contraception.

paul zummo
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:12am

I continued reading the MGD and it shows that abortion is a contentious issue within the UN in further developing the MGD’s to include abortion.

It’s contentious, but for now abortion is not part of the MDGs. On that particular score, it thus unfair to imply that Fr. Jenkins has an abortion problem.

Michael J. Iafrate
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:15am

No such thing will be done.

Y’see, Michael, Tito is infallible.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:18am

Michael I.,

What are you studying again?

Paul & BA4,

I see where abortion hasn’t quite made it on the MGD agenda so I’ll refrain from accusing Fr. Jenkins on that point. Though he is still causing scandal for supporting condom distribution which is contrary to Catholic teaching.

paul zummo
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:22am

Though he is still causing scandal for supporting condom distribution which is contrary to Catholic teaching.

Even though I do agree that there’s an undeniable link between the Millennium Project and the Millennium Development Goals, and as a board member Fr. Jenkins is at least tacitly responsible for the end product, this still might be an over-reach. What was/is Fr. Jenkins role in developing those goals? Did he push back against MDG #6? Did he decide to continue to support the MDGs despite of this provision? And what of the Vatican’s seeming support?

I don’t completely dismiss your concerns, but I think this matter deserves further serious exploration before we declare Fr. Jenkins to be a supporter of condom distribution.

John Henry
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:27am

I don’t completely dismiss [Tito’s] concerns, but I think this matter deserves further serious exploration before we declare Fr. Jenkins to be a supporter of condom distribution.

Agreed.

Christopher Blosser
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:34am

I don’t completely dismiss [Tito’s] concerns, but I think this matter deserves further serious exploration before we declare Fr. Jenkins to be a supporter of condom distribution.

Likewise, agreed.

Michael Denton
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:44am

I agree with the previous three commenters.

Tito:

You are out of line if you don’t retract. You have asserted that a priest openly rejects the teaching of the Church on contraception. This would be a very serious sin if true, and is a very serious charge, especially against a priest, and especially against a priest of high prominence.

You, by your own admission, lack the evidence for such a charge. Perhaps Jenkins does support them, but you have not one bit of evidence other then “he’s on a group which is associated with this group that includes contraception.” You need much stronger evidence then that to accuse someone, particularly a Catholic priest, of such wrongdoing as you accuse.

If you do not update the post with a correction, this post is calumny [ed.-if you continue to slander me you will be placed in moderation].

Mike Petrik
Mike Petrik
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 11:46am

John,
I agree as well. I do not think that being a board member of an organization that does has perfectly sound purposes but also supports condom distribution automatically makes one a supporter of condom distribution. For all we know Fr. Jenkins opposes condom distribution and has faithfully registered his objections at board meetings. One is not required by Catholic teaching to resign from each and every organization that takes actions or positions inimical to Church teaching — that is a prudential decision. That is exactly why we can have pro-life Democrats, and indeed it is good that we do. I have served on the local United Way board off and on for 15 years notwithstanding the fact that the local Planned Parenthood agency as a grantee. If fact, I have been instrumental in ensuring that donors can elect to direct their donations so as to exclude Planned Parenthood and helped devise the accounting procedures that give that actual effect. We cannot resign from the world. While one might argue that it is imprudent for Fr. J to remain a board member for reasons of potential confusion or scandal, that is a prudential calculus that belongs to him. The fact that he has chosen to remain a board member is very weak evidence that he actually supports condom distribution.
All that said, perhaps Tito has other evidence and I missed it (in a hurry — lots to do).

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:16pm

Michael Denton,

You will be guilty of slander if you continue with your uncharitable and dishonest accusations against me.

I will not repeat what I’ve already explained why Fr. Jenkins seems to promote condom usage. Your obtuseness will not be tolerated if you continue with your behavior. This is your first and only warning. If you continue you will be placed on moderation.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:21pm

Mike Petrik,

By the simple fact that you are a board member of United Way makes you in formal cooperation with evil. United Way funds abortions and it is something not to be proud of. [ed.-I was wrong here, United Way operates independently at the local level.]

I can see why there is hostility to my position. You clearly are going against church teachings.

You cannot be publicly for abortion, but privately against it. Just like many typical ‘pro-life democrats’.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:27pm

Everyone,

That is the problem with complacency and nuance. By giving excuse after excuse to why Fr. Jenkin’s is on the board for an organization that promotes condom usage and quite possibly abortions is to fall into relativism.

[ed.-edited for charity] Too many good and well-meaning Catholics make excuses for those Catholics that continue to drift away from Catholic teaching to the point that they are completely in camp with evil. Such as Fr. Jenkin’s honoring the most pro-abortion candidate in the history of the United States and Mike Petrik sitting on the board of an organization for 15 years that funds abortions is inexcusable.

We need to change the culture, not be changed by it.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:36pm

There is a clear link between the MGD and MP.

First, it really should be MDG, not MDG. It’s Millennium Development Goals, after all, not Millennium Goals Development.

Second, I’m not arguing that there’s no link between Millennium Promise and the Millennium Development Goals. That is very clear. The question is whether supporting the Millennium Development Goals means supporting condom use. Given the fact that the Vatican (which certainly does not support condom use) supports the Millennium Development Goals, I would argue the answer to this question is no.

The specific MDG in question is number six, which is to “[c]ombat HIV/AIDS, Malaria and other diseases.” Whatever some UN bureaucrat might say on the matter, isn’t it obvious that one could support that goal without supporting the use of condoms as a means to prevent the spread of AIDS?

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:41pm

BlackAdder4,

I agree with your statement that you can support the goal without supporting the use of condoms as a means to prevent the spread of AIDS.

What I say is that due to Fr. Jenkins actions of late he has brought the light of scandal upon himself. If he has done this, he may have made other mistakes as well. One of them being that he is a board member of MP. Assuming that he is there for the correct reasons, he is still causing scandal by bringing attention to such a scandalous position.

And I do like MGD (Miller Genuine Draft), but yes, I was referring to MDG. Thank you for the fraternal correction.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:52pm

Tito,

No doubt Father Jenkins has made many mistakes and is open to criticism on many fronts. That doesn’t mean that one has free reign to accuse him of whatever one wishes.

This doesn’t have to be difficult. You didn’t look into a matter very carefully, and ended up making a charge against Father Jenkins that isn’t supported by the evidence. Okay, it happens. The thing to do when this is pointed out to you is just to own up to the mistake, retract the charges, and move on. Retrenchment on such a matter will only serve to further damage your credibility.

e.
e.
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:52pm

Tito:

Mike Petrik making excuses for those who actually support the very things you mention?

My dear friend, you seem to be conflating one’s residence within a certain organization/entity with direct allegiance & support of the very activities it purportedly sponsors.

If that were indeed the case, that this Guilt by Association automatically renders a person culpable of the very crimes you seem wont to prosecute him for, then that would make any citizen of the United States who pay their taxes guilty of similar crimes, given that the U.S. government provides monies to national abortion programs (and, even now, in light of Obama’s fierce Pro-abortion Crusade, it would seem globally as well); and, therefore, by that very same logic you’ve applied thus, makes every tax-paying U.S. citizen guilty of formal cooperation with evil, too.

You’re better than this — or, at least, I should hope.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:57pm

BlackAdder4,

Again we can agree to disagree.

I made no mistake and will not retract my facts on the matter.

e.,

Fr. Jenkins causes scandal by his mere association of such an organization.

Christopher Blosser
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 12:58pm

Tito,

The claim that “Fr. John Jenkins believes in the promotion of condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS” is unsubstantiated, and I agree with Michael Denton’s recommendation that it should be retracted.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 1:02pm

Christopher,

I made no mistake and will not retract my facts on the matter.

You have your opinions on the matter which are incorrect. Fr. John Jenkins is causing a scandal by his board membership to an organization that supports the promotion of condom use.

blackadderiv
blackadderiv
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 1:10pm

I think that the baseless of Tito’s accusation has been demonstrated to the satisfaction of everyone but Tito, and demonstrating it to his satisfaction does not seem to be possible, so I’ll leave the conversation here.

Tito Edwards
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 1:13pm

BlackAdder4,

Just because your unsupported accusations are supported by others doesn’t make it right.

You are not satisfied unless your able to smear me which is uncharitable to say the least.

The conversation would have been better served if you hadn’t participated in the first place.

Matt McDonald
Matt McDonald
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 1:18pm

Re: Millenium Promise

Millennium Villages Handbook

Abortion services: In countries where abortion is legal, safe abortion services in
controlled settings by skilled practitioners should be established. In villages with a
nearby district center with sound surgical capacity, these services can be referred.
However, in instances where no district center or alternate post for safe abortion
practices is accessible, abortion services can be offered at the village level,
provided that sufficient surgical capacity exists

Contraception and family planning: Family planning and contraception services
are critical to allow women to choose family size and birth spacing, to combat
sexually transmitted infections, including HIV infection, and contribute to the
reduction of maternal morbidity and mortality. Services include: (1) Counseling;
(2) Male and female condoms; (3) Pharmacologic contraceptives including oral,
transdermal, intramuscular, and implanted methods; and (4) IUDs

So, while the absolute evidence is not in the articles, it is clearly in their approach.

The insidious use of euphemisms like “prevention services”, “maternal health”, “reproductive health” etc. does not change the reality of what Millenium Promise is doing. None of us should be so naive as to believe they are being moral.

e.
e.
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 1:19pm

Off topic (and perhaps simply for comic relief at this point), is the icon typically used in Tito Edward’s posts a painting of the very man featured in the icon in blackadderiv’s posts?

Christopher Blosser
Admin
Wednesday, May 13, AD 2009 1:22pm

Tito,

Paul Zummo’s questions stand, and I note you have not bothered to respond:

What was/is Fr. Jenkins role in developing those goals? Did he push back against MDG #6? Did he decide to continue to support the MDGs despite of this provision? And what of the Vatican’s seeming support?

Until you actually provide evidence to substantiate your accusation, the claim that Fr. Jenkins personally support condom use is groundless.

That you preface your claim with “it seems” indicates your own uncertainty in making the accusation.

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