The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

Unless Pope Leo wishes to be Francis II, he must end this squalid war initiated by his predecessor against traditional Catholics.

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David WS
David WS
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 2:25am

I doubt it. The Lavender mafia is threatened by TLM.

Sean
Sean
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 4:34am

Hmmm, he won’t. But I pray each night for him, that he will do the right thing.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 4:45am

Too much power with the Bishops.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 5:00am

Sean is correct. In responding to a question about this, Pope Leo XIV said that people can celebrate the Novus Ordo in Latin. He deliberately missed the point of celebrating using the ancient rite. It isn’t about Latin per se, but about the whole substance of the Traditional Mass and how its liturgy, its prayers, etc., are pointed towards Heaven instead of Earth, and oriented towards God instead of man.This is to be expected of any cleric who embraces environmentalism, calls Earth our home instead of Heaven, and proposes that the KIngdom of God can be created on Earth if only we have enough social justice, illegal immigration, and just the right environmentalist policies and programs. More post Vatican II heresy and nonsense.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 5:39am

“……are pointed towards Heaven instead of Earth, and oriented towards God instead of man.”

Amen.
That’s one of my reasonings as well.
It’s not about what man has or is doing for God.
It’s what He did and is doing for mankind.
“How Great Are YOUR works!”

My biggest concern is the missed opportunities for young men to be surrounded by other young men serving God together. Growing in faith together. Learning Latin together. Singing the responses together as young men. Open for God’s call to the priesthood.

By all common sense, don’t hinder God’s call by cancelling HIS TLM.

(rant over)

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 6:50am

It just might take the spaghetti monster to wipe out the lavender Mafia. If that doesn’t work, Godzilla to the rescue.

Nothing yet?
We have no other choice….

The nuclear option;

Chuck Schumer.

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David WS
David WS
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 6:54am

Ok, my statement earlier needs further explanation:

Most traditional Catholics fail to realize the threat they are perceived to pose to closeted homosexual bishops and priests. If one were to take a poll of Catholics from the TLM and NO communities, one would probably discover that TLM Catholics, many with large families, are less inclined than NO Catholics to support pro-LGBTQ Vatican documents like Fiducia Supplicans (involving the blessing of same-sex couples), and are far more supportive of official Catholic Church teachings on issues like gender ideology, gender dysphoriahomosexualityconversion therapy, and abortion. Even though there are priests who celebrate the TLM who have been caught engaging in homosexual acts, TLM priests tend to be heterosexual, pro-life, and pro-family; three qualities often not found in many NO priests today. Unfortunately, even if Pope Leo XIV were to abrogate Traditionis Custodes, or if he were to create a separate Roman Rite like the 23 autonomous Eastern Rite Churches serving 1.3 billion Catholic Christians in communion with Rome, I maintain that the hemorrhage of Catholics would continue as happened during the Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth century.”

https://johneighteenthirtyseven.substack.com/p/roman-catholicism-is-dying

The Author is correct. Point of fact.. I have found a reverent NO Mass and presently don’t attend TLM mainly because of the distance- I have no iron in the fire per se… but recognize truth.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 7:41am

The misconduct of the bishops from the Bishop of Rome on down has worked to damage the capacity of bishops to induce obedience or even command more than perfunctory attention.
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It seems to me a certain contemporary thinker whose name escapes me had a persuasive account of why it was that the worst people seem to rise in any organization. That certainly applies to the episcopacy today.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 8:02am

“worst people seem to rise in any organization.”

They don’t play by the rules of decency and integrity. The end always justifies the means. The moral man doesn’t give away his dignity for an end goal. It’s unfair. Yet God is a just God.

BillR
BillR
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 10:00am

Not likely. Leo appears to be a man of the status quo. The idea that inaction begets stability is open to debate.

Bob Kurland
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Friday, October 3, AD 2025 10:20am

@ArtDeco “.It seems to me a certain contemporary thinker whose name escapes me had a persuasive account of why it was that the worst people seem to rise in any organization. That certainly applies to the episcopacy today.”

AD, were you thinking of the “Peter Principle?” (by Laurence J. Peter)

Bob Kurland
Admin
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 10:29am

here’s a quote from Comet, the AI browser for Perplexity:

Origin and Wording

The principle was formulated by Laurence J. Peter in his 1969 book, where he wrote: “In a hierarchy, every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence”.

Peter’s corollary expands: “In time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties”.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 12:06pm

As Dr. Kurland pointed out to Art Deco, the Peter Principle at work in the Institutional Church. But also so is Dr. Jerry Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy:

Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people”:

 First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.

Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.

The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.

Donald Link
Donald Link
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 8:45pm

At some point Bishops like this may feel the only weapon available to those they choose to ignore may be the power of the purse.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Friday, October 3, AD 2025 8:54pm

What a monster of a bishop.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, October 4, AD 2025 6:32am

AD, were you thinking of the “Peter Principle?” (by Laurence J. Peter)
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No. “The Peter Principle” was an amusing exercise and may explain spot phenomena, but it does not explain organizational pathology generally. (It was a humor book, so it wasn’t meant to). It’s not true, for example, that someone will continue to be promoted until his incompetence is manifest. Organizations are pyramidal and nearly everyone stalls out at some stratum. It would have to be the case that at some stratum every possible candidate for the position would be incompetent to fill it. Pournelle’s law is more persuasive, but has deficiencies as well. Please note that while you have economic regression, as a generally rule worker productivity improves annually. Would you see that if organizations were in a continuous state of decay due to the Peter Principle or Pournelle’s ‘Iron Law’? I suppose you could argue one or the other was valid for public bureaucracies or philanthropic organizations.
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I tend to be repelled by people who invoke Pournelle’s law or Public Choice theory because they feed an unfortunate tendency in starboard discussion – an inclination to bit*h and strike poses and not ask how organizations and procedures might be repaired. Cops and public works employees are a necessary component of daily life; some tut-tutting faculty member in the George Mason economics department is expendable.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Saturday, October 4, AD 2025 7:44am

The notion of the bishop as god-king of the liturgy is the natural extension of Rome’s centralizing tendency and vesting of the Pope with power never seen in the first millennium. Namely, the ability to recast and tinker with the liturgy at will.

And yes, that includes Trent. Suppressing all but four valid alternate western rites turned into a preview of coming attraction for the Roman Rite itself. And now the bishop can suppress the parts of the new Roman Rite that offend him in his own demesne, too.

Completely alien to the tradition of the Church of the first millennium, but here we are. And I have no idea how this can be fixed. This train has no brakes.

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