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Stupid Atheist Tricks

 7 If any man sell his daughter to be a servant, she shall not go out as bondwomen are wont to go out.  8 If she displease the eyes of her master to whom she was delivered, he shall let her go: but he shall have no power to sell her to a foreign nation, if he despise her.  9 But if he have betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.  10 And if he take another wife for him, he shall provide her a marriage, and raiment, neither shall he refuse the price of her chastity.

Exodus 21: 7-10

 

 

 

The whole purpose of the passage was to give women rights who had been sold into slavery by their father.  In the ancient world the authority of a father over a child was absolute, in most cultures, until the son came of age and of the daughter until she married.  The Mosaic Law, time and again, attempted to soften the edges of preexisting laws and customs, and give rights to those who had heretofore had no rights.  Too many atheists, blinded by hate against a God they do not believe in, cannot see what is right before their noses.

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Lead Kindly Light
Lead Kindly Light
Monday, April 29, AD 2024 7:39am

“Too many atheists, blinded by hate against a God they do not believe in, cannot see what is right before their noses.”

I’ve always wondered about this. My Dad (RIP) used to say “Hate is not the opposite of love. Indifference is.” I suspect that they just hate the people that have happy, fulfilled lives that DO believe in God. Just green-eyed monsters.

And I like the fact that they have a picture of Jesus (the fulfilled covenant) speaking the teachings of the unfulfilled covenant of the OT. Very different theology. But they either don’t know that or they are willfully ignoring it.

The Bruised Optimist
The Bruised Optimist
Monday, April 29, AD 2024 8:15am

Matthew 19
What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. 7 They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away? 8 He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Jesus came to perfect the Law, which has not been perfect.

Do not be too hard on the atheist. Sadly most Catholics are not well enough catechized to deal with the OT, let alone someone who may (or may not) be approaching the Bible in bad faith.

Like LKL says above, indifference is the opposite of love. If the atheist takes the effort to mock, they just might be contemplating Him more than some of our Christmas/Easter brethren.

Pinky
Pinky
Monday, April 29, AD 2024 9:23am

“Not that I am (I think) in much danger of ceasing to believe in God. The real danger is of coming to believe such dreadful things about Him.” C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed

I think there are two kinds of “atheists”, those who don’t believe in God and those who don’t believe in a good God. Also, I think that atheists sense that if you can get a Christian to doubt God’s goodness, you can get him to doubt God. This line of attack wouldn’t work in a Muslim culture.

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Monday, April 29, AD 2024 11:46am

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Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Monday, April 29, AD 2024 3:44pm

Were Daughters Really Sold into Slavery?
Exodus 21:7-11
The Rational Bible
Dennis Prager

21.7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not be freed as male slaves are.

As I will explain, parents could not sell their children into slavery. What is depicted here is not about slavery and certainly not about sexual slavery. It is about indentured servitude.
People understandably think of it as slavery, because the Hebrew word eved is almost always translated as “slave.” But this word also means “servant.”

Moses, for example, is called an “eved of God”; no one assumes he was a “slave” of God.

Furthermore, a girl could become a maidservant – not a slave – only if her family sold her. No one else could sell a girl into slavery.

Of course, any notion of parents selling their children is disturbing. But thousands of years ago, it was done everywhere including – albeit rarely in Israel in circumstances of abject poverty. As reported later in the Bible (Nehemiah S:5)” “Although we are of the same flesh and blood as our fellow Jews and though our children are as good as theirs, yet we have to subject our sons and daughters to slavery. Some of our daughters have already been enslaved, but we are powerless, because our fields and our vineyards belong to others” (emphasis added).

In the twelfth century, Maimonides, in his Code of Jewish law, ruled: “A man may not sell his daughter (as a maidservant] unless he became impoverished to the extent that he owns nothing, neither land nor other property, not even the clothing he is wearing.” As Maimonides’ ruling makes clear, the Torah is therefore putting parameters around a tragic practice. But recognizing that it almost inevitably occurs under dire circumstances, as is clear from the next verse, the Torah assures the girl many protections.

For example, the girl was sold to a man with the expectation either he or his son would marry her. Of course, to most people today, it is unacceptable that a woman’s family (essentially meaning her father) would choose a daughter’s spouse. But that has been the case in all societies throughout history and in many societies to this day. Women – and men – began to freely choose whom they would marry only in the relatively recent past, and almost exclusively in parts of the Western world. Furthermore, having one’s family choose a woman’s husband in no way meant sexual slavery; if it did, virtually every married woman in history was a sexual slave.

21.8 If she proves to be displeasing to her master, who designated her for her be redeemed; himself, he must let he shall not have the right to sell her to outsiders, since he broke faith with her.

The Hebrew, translated here as “outsiders” literally means “a foreign nation.” That would imply the Torah may have originally allowed the maidservant to be sold to another Israelite-as opposed to a non-Israelite, in which case she would likely be used, abused, and resold. However, from very early times, it was understood as a prohibition to sell her to anyone, including another Israelite.

If neither the master nor his son marries the young woman, the master is regarded as having acted deceitfully, a sin greatly magnified if he then sells her off to someone else, which is expressly forbidden here. Thus, if the master decides he does not wish her as a wife for himself or his son, since he is not allowed to sell her, he must let her be redeemed by her relatives.

21.9 And if he designated her for his son, he shall deal with her as is the practice with free maidens.

The maidservant is guaranteed protection as a wife of either the father or the son. The very fact she is to be treated as if she were a “free maiden” is yet another reason to believe the Torah is not referring to slavery when speaking about a family selling its daughter.

21.10 If he marries another, he must not withhold from this one her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.

If the master marries another woman in addition to his maidservant, the maid servant wife is not to be neglected in favor of the new wife. She retains the rights and privileges of a wife.

What is remarkable here is the concept of “conjugal rights.” Sarna points out that of all the ancient Near Eastern law codes, the Torah was unique in asserting a woman is legally entitled to sexual gratification. And what slave has ever had conjugal or any other rights?

A sold daughter is not only not to be a sex slave, she is not to be a chattel slave either: she is not owned property. Therefore, it is not accurate to call a daughter who is sold by her parents a “slave.” She is sold to a man who will eventually marry her; and if he doesn’t want to marry her, his son can. If neither does, she goes free (see next verse). That is not slavery.

21.11 If he fails her in these three ways, she shall go free, without payment.

The Torah restates that many obligations are owed to this daughter who was sold. The Torah delineates protection after protection of the girl involved. She has human rights; she has the dignity of marriage; she cannot be sold; she is to be redeemed by her family, if she is not to be a wife; and she even has conjugal rights.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Monday, April 29, AD 2024 3:54pm

BTW, I looked at the Twitter page of https://twitter.com/AWorldOutOfMind (Saint Brian the Godless). I was going to post the excerpt from Deniis Prager on this part of Exodus, but he’s not worth conversing with. I am very sorry, but some people simply are not worth the effort of arguing with.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Tuesday, April 30, AD 2024 12:05am

LQC – I hopped on over there to see what the fuss was about. It’s misleading he calls himself an atheist. He is more like a hate-filled agnostic. He knows God exist is, he just hates God. A depressing individual filled with hate. To put ALL that energy and effort into mocking something that according to him “doesn’t exist” has eluded him.

And to add, he mostly targets Christianity and Christ. He stays away from memes about Muhammad. Coward. If you want to be a bigot towards religion – at least have the integrity to treat all the religions with equal contempt. I call BS he believes anything he posts about. He knows exactly who he can insult and get away with it. Messed up. I dread to think who has the misfortune to interact with him on a day to day basis.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Tuesday, April 30, AD 2024 6:42am

@Ezabelle, I should not have done it, but I gave Saint Brian the Godless the analysis that you provided:

https://twitter.com/sauldetars89102/status/1785248537673859378?t=5nmigaReYG4T4xS7MhqRKQ&s=19

As your surmised, he attacks Christians because he knows we won’t retaliate but he fears attacking Muslims because they will give him precisely what he deserves.

Frank
Frank
Tuesday, April 30, AD 2024 7:02am

One of Satan’s useful idiots. As Abp. Fulton Sheen observed, if there really were no God, there would be no atheists. No one with a functioning brain spends time attacking someone they really believe doesn’t exist. They are mostly envious of those who do believe and/or trying to justify their own rejection of all those pesky Commandments.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Tuesday, April 30, AD 2024 9:18pm

LQC – no problem. So disappointing an individual has to resort to insults and not argue points based on why they disagree with them. People like that do not preach the tolerance they demand of everyone. Agree- he won’t dare attack Islam.

An Assyrian Orthodox bishop was recently stabbed whilst celebrating Mass in Sydney, by a radicalised Muslim teenager. There is currently a Twitter legal fight between Elon Musk and our PM with the PM demanding Twitter take the footage down. Even though it was played on loop on the MSM news networks for days and the Bishop himself asking for the footage to remain on Social Media so people know what intolerance can do to free speech.

The Australian government labelled it a terrorise attack – reluctantly though. Because the Bishop was delivering Sermons criticising Islam. Although not a Catholic, I agree with his words and with his views on the videos I have seen of his Sermons.

Here’s some information if you are interested.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/29/sydney-church-stabbing-bishop-loses-eye-mar-mari-emmanuel

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