They have to make an object lesson of him, or other people will start standing up.
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They have to make an object lesson of him, or other people will start standing up.
Some good news. In the Archdiocese of Florida we are now post Covid at Mass. No masks, no social distancing. However, a number of folks are still wearing masks and looking scared, at least for now. The government is now going to have to cook up some new draconian thing to keep us in fear.
If I have the gov’t right, they might claim that the act of blessing oneself is the main source of both, climate change (that air friction stuff) and the spread of once passive Covid particles by the faithful.
Dr. Fauci will come onto our TV lit living rooms each night with his message about the necessity for Catholics to dip four layers of gloves into bleach before each blessing. (California requires five pairs)
We were in SE, LA for a few weeks and at Mass most people were wearing masks, but there was no socialist distancing.
Next, they’ll force you to drop trousers and show you’re arse is double-masked. China virus is spread through flatulence!
Don’t Blame Me I Voted For Trump.
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Dr. Fauci will come onto our TV lit living rooms each night with his message about the necessity for Catholics to dip four layers of gloves into bleach before each blessing.
This is what irritates me. European countries have a more homogeneous climate than ours is. You’ve seen what happens there over the last year. Cases explode and fall to next-to-nothing seasonally, which is not what you’d expect if tactile transmission were all that important. Note that over here, infection up north peaks in the winter (when people shelter indoors due to cold) while down south it peaks in summer (when people shelter indoors due to heat). The salient feature is ‘indoors’.
“Socialist distancing”- mind if I borrowed this one.
We had to wear masks in Church last Sunday. No recorded cases in the entire Sydney region, but hey there was a “suspected infected man” who cancelled Mother’s Day gatherings and the mandate for mask is applied to Churches. Come to think of it, we always have announcements of “outbreaks” on public holidays- Anzac Day, Easter, NYE, Christmas…this and our borders are closed, we are an island on the opposite side of the world to anybody and return travellers are being locked up in hotels for 2 weeks. Go figure.
The salient feature is ‘indoors’.
Nailed it Art.
“The salient feature is indoors.” No, the salient feature is population density. You can be in your igloo above the arctic circle and you’ll be fine. In your efficiency in Manhattan?? not so much
is population density
True Bob and therein lies the mystery. Why have China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan had so few Covid deaths?
the salient feature is population density.
Disagree, Mr. Kurland. Our single best guess from these meatball studies being done is that your chance of infection in outdoor air is close to nil, whether you’re living in Manhattan or in South Dakota.
Why have China, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan had so few Covid deaths?
China has yet to admit engineering this virus, much less engineering it with a particular target population in mind. (What’s curious is they completely flubbed the process of manufacturing a vaccine).
art, I’m not sure that “your chance of infection in outdoor air is close to nil” is so, if you’re in a crowd of packed people. Outdoor air is not that more magical than indoor air. If you’re going down to the Subway (and still outdoors, nominally) at rush hour in New York City or D.C, that’s different from walking up to the hospital (where I live, rural NE PA). It’s propinquity, outdoors or indoors, that is the significant variable. However, if you can cite a study that shows there is a distinction between outdoor and indoor air (other variables like population density, propinquity, mobility, being controlled), I’ll think about changing my views.
“Why have China, Taiwan, …had so few [relatively] deaths? Interesting question to which I’ve not yet seen a good answer. Speculative answers: 1) the wuhan flu was engineered for Caucasian genetics; 2) Some Asian societies are more amenable to authoritarian segregation and isolation of at risk population groups (the elderly, etc.); 3) the data are false, and the death rates are the same for Asian and non-Asian populations.
In regard to 3 I could believe it for China, not for the other countries. In regard to 2 possible, but judging from Japanese subways, for example, which make sardine cans look roomy, I think more deaths would have been tallied no matter what type of segregation would have been imposed. That leaves number one which is terrifying. This might be a fortuitous warning as to what China is up to but which is being ignored.
art, I’m not sure that “your chance of infection in outdoor air is close to nil” is so, if you’re in a crowd of packed people.
You had buts to nuts public demonstrations in favor of a humbug cause a year ago, in cities all over the country. If you can locate a northern city where you see a subsequent outbreak of COVID in June and July 2020, tell me where.
If you’re going down to the Subway (and still outdoors, nominally) at rush hour in New York City or D.C, t
Passenger-miles traveled via mass transit in 2019 totaled 54 million. Those traveled via light-duty vehicles (passenger cars &c) totaled 4,900 million.
This might be a fortuitous warning as to what China is up to but which is being ignored.
Well, the term ‘dry run’ has yet to be used in any place I frequent.
How about obesity? I haven’t been to E or SE Asia in awhile but my observations then of Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Thai, Filipino, Malalys, Straits Chinese is that there isn’t much obesity compared to blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans and Caucasians which includes Arabs and Indians in the US..
Supposition is that the Chinese workers in northern Italy brought COVID back when returning from visiting the China homeland to celebrate Chinese New Year. Wonder if there is any data on the race of deceased COVID patients in that part of Italy?
Maybe blood types or Rh a factor?
Supposition is that the Chinese workers in northern Italy brought COVID back when returning from visiting the China homeland to celebrate Chinese New Year.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology is not located in Lombardy.
“Well, the term ‘dry run’ has yet to be used in any place I frequent.”
Though there is a lot of talk about the “Next Pandemic” and the need to prepare:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/19/979314118/next-pandemic-scientists-fear-another-coronavirus-could-jump-from-animals-to-hum
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1408209/new-pandemic-warning-next-virus-deadly-covid-Chris-van-Tulleken
So it could be a dry run for more control in the future.
“However, if you can cite a study that shows there is a distinction between outdoor and indoor air (other variables like population density, propinquity, mobility, being controlled), I’ll think about changing my views.”
Robert
I think viral load is a variable that you should consider adding to your list as a primary factor for Covid infections. Although an observation but not a study is a wound care center where the only workers who became infected were those treating inpatients.
Patients going to the outpatient clinic came from outdoors, left after treatment and were less sick so there was likely less viral shedding. Inpatients were sicker and likely shedding more virus particles, as well as less wind dispersion and less viral killing UV light.
There was also variation of HIV infection risk that seemed to be related to viral load that was observed before antiviral medications became available. There were higher rates of transmission to those exposed to the virus at stages when the infected person was at stages with high viral shedding.. The highest rates of shedding was at the initial onset of the disease with acute flu like symptoms (before the virus was recognized by the host immune system) and at the end stage (when the immune system was completely compromised by the infection).