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Vomit Inducing

 

I regret every word I ever said in defense of George W. Bush.  Pretending to be conservatives was always simply the path to power for the Bush clan.  A more meretricious clan of scoundrels never infested American public life.  And RINOs have the nerve to wonder why Republican voters prefer Donald Trump to them.  Donald Trump is hated by the Bush clan of course because he derailed the presidential ambitions of Prince Jeb.  Everything else is of little consequence to the Bush family except  a Republican standing between them and an office they seek.

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Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 4:50am

The Bushes are to Republicanism what Bergoglio is the Catholic doctrine.

Elaine Krewer
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Friday, January 22, AD 2021 6:33am

Hindsight is always 20/20, I guess. At least GWB saved us from a President Al Gore on 9/11. Or did he, in the long run, since GWB gave us the Patriot Act and all the mechanisms of domestic spying that came with it? For that matter, I recall how disappointed many of us were when McCain and Romney lost to Obama in 2008 and 2012; it seemed as if our prayers were not answered. But maybe, in hindsight, they were answered — could it be that Obama saved us from McCain and Romney Administrations that would have been worse?

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 6:37am

A+, Mac.

The Bushes are symptomatic of the establishment GOP: there’s not a dime’s width difference from the Democrats. Willard Romney is even worse.

Someday, W will need to answer for tens of thousands of dead and maimed GIs from his unjust/unnecessary Iraq adventure.

Kipling, “Epitaphs of the War”

“a dead statesman

“I could not dig: I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?”

Jay Anderson
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 8:20am

“Donald Trump is hated by the Bush clan of course because he derailed the presidential ambitions of Prince Jeb.”

Actually, Jeb had NO chance — ZERO — of being elected President in 2016, as his dismal also-ran primary finishes that year will attest. Even his own mother didn’t want Jeb to run.

All Jeb’s entrance into the race dd was deprive more worthy candidates, such as Scott Walker with a proven track record of winning in a “blue” states, of key campaign donations and campaign personnel, as well as to further split up the vote for the non-Trump options.

Oh, and his entrance into the race had one other major effect: it drove GOP voters who didn’t want yet another Bush so soon after the previous one had wrecked the country into the arms of Trump. The day Jeb entered the race, I railed against it in a Facebook post and said that he had just ensured Trump’s election.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 8:34am

After he left office, George W Bush hoovered up cash in the form of speaking fees. You never heard about it because he made his remarks in confidential settings (and, evidently, never said anything worth leaking). There were two things that should have induced father and son to make a public stance: the vertiginous decline in ballot security and the Lois Lerner scandal at the IRS. They said nothing about either. They’ve had nothing to say other than taking occasional potshots at Donald Trump. (Robert Dole is the only Republican presidential nominee of the last 30 years who did not). Then they proceeding to say nothing as we discovered over the last several years the security state’s scamming around in re Trump and nothing about any of the misconduct in this year’s election. Given that mama and papa were past 90 when the security state scandal was unfolding, and also preoccupied with medical problems, they have an excuse (or would have had their silence been comprehensive, which it was not). Not so their son.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 8:38am

All Jeb’s entrance into the race dd was deprive more worthy candidates, such as Scott Walker with a proven track record of winning in a “blue” states,

Disagree. Scott Walker ruined his campaign in the summer of 2015 by listening to what his donors were telling him on immigration and not listening to voters. There was one particular billionaire patron of his SuperPac that was jerking the leash.

David WS
David WS
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 9:24am

Bill, sorry about your loss, Jeffery Epstein.
Obama, fly back to your underprivileged ocean front mansion and wait for the oceans to rise.
George, go home and take more photos with guys you maimed because of your incompetence.

Pinky
Pinky
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 9:34am

What did W say that was wrong?

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 11:32am

What did W say that was wrong?

What has he said that was right? Ask yourself why he says nothing when something needs to be said and then puts out odious drivel like this.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 11:45am

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/392285.php

Perhaps Clyburn is lying. Wouldn’t assume so; wouldn’t wager W will bother correcting him.

Frank
Frank
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 12:16pm

Elaine, you make very good points, worth considering. With respect to your last– “could it be that Obama saved us from McCain and Romney Administrations that would have been worse?”– I have absolutely no doubt that is true. Thus when I say (as I have often and will again) that I regret having voted for W, whom I once greatly admired, as well as McCain and Romney, it’s not that I would ever have voted for their opponents, or been in the slightest bit satisfied with Gore, or Kerry, had they won, or that I was not horrified by Obama’s eight years of destruction. Rather, it is an expression of disappointment, to put it mildly, with the GOP’s selection of all three, GWB, McCain and Romney, as its nominees. We probably will never know the full story of how each of them managed to prevail in the party’s selection process, but given the revelations of the Trump saga thus far, I can’t help suspecting there was quite a bit of deception of the public involved. I am also confident that we could have done better, although certainly none of the defeated GOP candidates in the 2000, 2004, 2008 or 2012 primary seasons would likely have been able to do what Trump has done.

I imagine that I sound like Captain Obvious to most of the readers here at this point, but I am still smarting from the complete and obvious betrayal of the rank and file by the GOP establishment over the past five years, culminating in the disaster of the past ten weeks. I grew up in the GOP at the local level, walking the neighborhood with my mother at the age of ten canvassing for Barry Goldwater, and supporting every candidate since then with time and treasure. As Don has noted in his own case, I expended much energy and lost a few friends defending GWB, and I now realize that most of my defense was wrong. There were, in retrospect, fairly clear signs along the way, warning of the existence of what are now called the Deep State and the Uni-party. But it took someone like Trump to facilitate the full exposure of the fecklessness of the GOP establishment, and that fecklessness is what hurts me, and the memory of my loyal Republican parents, in ways far greater than simply the loss of the Trump presidency. We have been had, big time, and for many, many years. I am old enough to get over it and get on with whatever remaining time God wills to give me on this Earth, and I know I have to forgive the people who did this. But I also know it is going to be very hard for me to do.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 12:39pm

Pinky,

First, by even appearing in this video he also gives approval to everything that Clinton and Obama said. And they were very clear that Biden being elected was a chance for America to come together, while Trump was not, because Trump bad.

Second, he says that Biden’s success is our country’s success. But that’s backwards. Our country doesn’t succeed when Biden rams his agenda through. Biden succeeds as president if he actually helps the country.

Third, where was he when Trump was in office? He easily could have said the line “if we loved our neighbor like we loved ourselves a lot of the division in our country would end” during the Trump presidency. He could have told people to hope the president does well even if they disagree with him during the Trump presidency. But where was he? And yet the instant Biden is in office he takes part in a puff peace to prop him up.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 1:21pm

2000, 2004, 2008 or 2012

Other than W, McCain, and Romney, the candidates who were somewhat competitive those years were Alan Keyes, Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich. Don will have to speak to Keyes’ last performance in a general elections. The most persuasive short description of Paul I’ve see was ‘the sort of person who believes in conspiracy theories, with the proviso that they have to be consistent with free-market prescriptions; since free-market liberalism does not sustain many conspiracies, it limits his descent into Teh Crazy”. Rick Santorum presents the interesting case of someone with precisely formulated views that he sticks to who, however, functioned as a sort of anti-Romney magnet, not developing a motivated constituency of his own. So, the man who collected 20% of the primary and caucus vote in 2012 (and actually prevailed over Romney in Iowa when all the votes had been counted) was completely ignored in 2016; most peculiar.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 1:29pm

And yet the instant Biden is in office he takes part in a puff peace to prop him up.

People who voted for Trump have a variety of dispositions toward the man and toward the events of the last several months. One thing – about 94% of the self-identified Republicans tell the pollster they’re satisfied with him. So, what does George W. Bush have to say to that constituency (among them the 25% of the public who were loyal to Bush to the end, when he was being boo’d at his successor’s inauguration)? He simply abandons them. A bank’s got to write down it’s non-performing loans. We’ve discovered in the last five years that people like George W Bush are analogous to non-performing loans. (You can say the same of creatures like Richard Lowry, though they’re much less consequential). Write-em down, sell em to speculators.

Pinky
Pinky
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 1:59pm

How dare W say that Americans are good-hearted! And being with those two is practically an endorsement of their views such as “it’s an exciting time” and “inaugurations signal a tradition of a peaceful transfer of power”! The gall! Not only un-American, but blasphemous! It’s like if you put a frog in a pot of water, and don’t heat it.

Pinky
Pinky
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 2:13pm

Bush has always been a statesman in an era of cheap-shot artists, and with Trump’s abdication of the ceremonial act of turning over power, he stepped in honorably.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 2:15pm

How dare W say that Americans are good-hearted! And being with those two is practically an endorsement of their views such as “it’s an exciting time” and “inaugurations signal a tradition of a peaceful transfer of power”!

Wanna buy my bridge, Pinky?

Clinton, or, as W calls him, “My brother from another Mother!”

One of the puzzling stories of the last 20 years is that of how Bill Clinton managed to insinuate himself into the Bush circle of friends. (If I understand correctly, Jimmy Carter keeps his distance from the Clintons). There’s always been something weirdly shallow about papa Bush.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 2:24pm

Trump’s abdication of the ceremonial act of turning over power, he stepped in honorably.

He’s been out of office for 12 years. Sorry to break it to you.

He attended the last inauguration, so I don’t know what you fancy he’s ‘stepping in’ to do. (Bush the Elder was hospitalized at the time of Obama’s 2d inaugural, and in danger of death, so neither were there for that). Kinda cute how at the conclusion of Trump’s inaugural address in 2017, he leans over to the Clintons and says “that was some weird sh!t”. #statesman.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 2:27pm

After Bush was re-elected in 2004 he basically want to sleep. He should have stayed that way.

The Surge was a successful policy initiative. He was weirdly detached from the financial sector implosion ongoing in 2006, 2007, and 2008. By the fall of 2008, you had the impression Henry Paulson was President.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 2:34pm

The basic problem is that Trump trusted almost no one, and his circle of trust did not extend much beyond his kids.

Well, the Deputy Attorney General was plotting against him for two years, the FBI director he appointed was stonewalling congressional committees, he had to fire the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense for repeated insubordination. Then see Col. Vindman’s and the DNI’s office scamming around to allow the cut-out Eric Ciaramella to file a bogus whistle-blower complaint (the substance of Col. Vindman’s complaint was that Trump was pursuing a policy contrary to what ‘the Interagency’ wanted). At the very end, his attorney-general sleeps through a sequence of events which makes no sense absent an exercise in vote fraud, and two cabinet secretaries issue ‘protest resignations’ citing nonsense reasons. Lots of people to not trust.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 2:50pm

W is making his bid as the successor to John McCain.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 3:19pm

McCain’s signature was throwing a monkey wrench into the works at the wrong moment. W won’t be stepping into those shoes; he also has a much nicer wife.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 3:23pm

Trump’s biggest weakness was always personnel.

True. I wouldn’t call Tillerson, Mattis, or Barr ‘5th rate yes men’. My guess about Tillerson and Mattis is they couldn’t stay in their lane, which was to contribute to policy formation and not arrogate it to themselves. My guess about Barr is that he figured Weissmann et al were endangering the institution and he needed to step in and protect it. (I’m also guessing that Mrs. Mueller had given Mrs. Barr a precis of her husband’s actual mental condition).

Pinky
Pinky
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 3:42pm

Art – The ceremonial act is the new president being recognized by all branches of government, and both parties. Trump should have been there. It was a personal failing that he didn’t attend. Pence and W fulfilled the role of representing continuity. If there ever was an election that needed that kind of acknowledgement, it was this one.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 3:45pm

The first step to establishing legitimacy would have been for the courts to do their job.

If the actual legitimacy is put into peril, worrying about “ceremonial acts” is beyond pointless.

Pinky
Pinky
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 3:46pm

Off topic – Does anyone else get girlie pictures on this site? The ad space on the right side of the screen lately has been “this wedding picture never should have happened” or “Nikki Cox is unrecognizable now”. I mean, it’s not the first time in my life I’ve had to scroll past sexy clickbait, but it seems out of character.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, January 22, AD 2021 4:07pm

Art – The ceremonial act is the new president being recognized by all branches of government, and both parties. Trump should have been there. It was a personal failing that he didn’t attend.

The term ‘personal failing’ does not mean what you fancy it means. And, no, the ceremonial act was never that. It’s an oath of office. Lyndon Johnson was sworn in by a random federal judge on an airplane, Gerald Ford was sworn in at a briefing room at the White House, and Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by his father in his father’s house (his father being a notary public; there was a period of about a decade when I had a notary’s license and could have sworn in any public official who appeared at my desk). Trump had multiple reasons to not be there (one of them being his presence would generate distractions). Bush had no reason to be there other than to engage in political signaling.

The British monarchy and British institutions are talented at pageantry. We’re not and the more creative they get the more it’s a shambolic mess, a mess made worse by diversicrats of the sort who gave you On the Pulse of the Morning. They should have been sworn in at a location selected that morning, with a ceremonial guard, their relatives, and a camera crew in attendance. At the Library of Congress would have been as good a place as any.

And Bush the Younger should stick to his bloody studio and leave the world alone if he’s not going to improve public life with his utterances (as he has not).

Frank
Frank
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 8:25am

Art– your point re Santorum sticks out to me. I never understood either his failure to gain serious traction in 2012 or his disappearance from the scene by 2016. And the paucity of attractive candidates in the first four election cycles of the new millennium which you outlined also has had me flummoxed for all these years. What is it about the system as operated by the GOP, or simply in general, that has kept better people from getting into the competitive lanes? I wish I knew. Money is certainly a major factor, but why couldn’t a guy like Santorum attract one or more wealthy mega-donors? And why did the party machinery not manage to come up with someone better than what we had? My cynical nature suspects some nefarious Deep State influence here, but it’s easy to say that and not so easy to point to any actual evidence. (Unlike, say, evidence of a stolen election in 2020, which comes to mind for some reason.) Darn, there I go again.

TomD
TomD
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 9:26am

re Santorum sticks out to me. I never understood either his failure to gain serious traction in 2012 or his disappearance from the scene by 2016

This is easy to answer: most voters prefer rosary carrying politicians who just leave them in their pockets.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 10:13am

This is easy to answer: most voters prefer rosary carrying politicians who just leave them in their pockets.

Your easy answer is almost certainly a wrong answer.

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 10:54am

See bottom for why they hate Trump and needed to brazenly steal the election.

First, I apologize in advance.

For what he did beginning in March 2003 [in Iraq] and the rest of his terms; and for siding with the left and et al that hate America, hate Americans, and hate the uses Americans make of their liberties, W Bush can go to Hell.

BOTTOM: Seen on Instapundit.
“President Trump showed us that the annihilation of the American middle class was not the result of inevitable forces. The economy – who gets what from whom – is run by political choices. Who pays the costs and who reaps the benefits are political choices. Who is crushed by the legal system and who benefits from it, and who is insulated from it, are also political choices.

President Trump must be destroyed for showing normal people that their destruction, and the enrichment of other people, who despise them (everything that they love, believe in, and care about) is a policy decision. President Trump showed other outcomes were possible. That is Donald John Trump’s greatest achievement.”

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 3:22pm

“That has happened recently. We are looking at what has gone haywire with our ads.”
Without sounding paranoid- has this been the case since Trump lost the election with Big Techs help? Big Tech being pests me thinks. Don’t let them get away with it Don. Last week, Google shifted the algorithms on Australian websites so we don’t get Australian news stories (a tax game for them)…and I have read mention of them doing it for things other than tax avoidance…

Also, an observation from afar, Bush the son used the US Military power abroad through war to stir up National Pride. Trump used his smarts to stir up National Pride. He was a clever businessman. He wanted the ordinary US citizen to succeed. Bush didn’t have the smarts to boost the US economy through means other than war. Sorry to say this, many non-US citizens didn’t and still don’t like him- myself included. He was always going to be the son of a former CIA Chief- Bush the dad. Not a very inspiring leader. Always going to continue daddy’s legacy of war-mongering. For Example- he should have not touched Saddam. Saddam was the only person who kept a majority Muslim population on a leash. Infact, Saddams closest confidants and security were Christian. Even Saddam knew you couldn’t trust his Muslim people. Yet, Bush couldn’t understand the complexity of this. And so look at the knock-on effect of countries in disarray, and hatred of the US in that whole Middle Eastern region which followed. Bush was probably why the US ended up with Obama. And to see he doesn’t have the decency to support Trump who was from his own political party with the same basic ideologies as him on paper, yet stands up on a podium and declares support for a Democratic President, shows his true character- and reflects poorly on him as a former US President.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 3:34pm

“Tech gremlins are abundant, and every now and then need a good thrashing, in blog world!“ ha!

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 4:04pm

Bush didn’t have the smarts to boost the US economy through means other than war.

That was neither the purpose nor the effect of enhanced military spending.

He was always going to be the son of a former CIA Chief- Bush the dad.

His father was used by the Nixon and Ford Administration as a utility man, placed in quite disparate jobs for modest stints. He was the director of the CIA for all of 1 year. Unlike Richard Helms, Wm. J Casey, Porter Goss, and John Brennan, he was never an employee of the agency prior to his 1 year stint as director.

Not a very inspiring leader. Always going to continue daddy’s legacy of war-mongering. For Example- he should have not touched Saddam.

Saddam Hussein conquered and despoiled a harmless oil principality. Bush pere organized a multinational force which ejected him, then put him under an interdict. This should not bother you.

Saddam was the only person who kept a majority Muslim population on a leash. Infact, Saddams closest confidants and security were Christian. Even Saddam knew you couldn’t trust his Muslim people

You don’t know what you’re talking about. There’s an abnormal amount of political violence in the Arab world and points adjacent, but at any one time all but a few such countries are in a state of civil peace. While we’re at it, you’d have to scrounge to find a Muslim society where violent street crime is a large problem. The notion that Muslim societies require one of the world’s most gruesome totalitarianisms to function properly is a fantasy that has no reality outside the space between your ears.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 4:14pm

“You don’t know what you’re talking about.” I grew up around around Arab politics and have family in Lebanon. Saddam was good for his people. Only people detached from the region still hold is view.

“The notion that Muslim societies require one of the world’s most gruesome totalitarianisms to function properly is a fantasy that has no reality outside the space between your ears.”
That’s ok. Lucky for me I don’t come here for your rambling insights. Very big of you ArtDeco.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 5:08pm

I grew up around around Arab politics and have family in Lebanon. Saddam was good for his people. Only people detached from the region still hold is view.

Again, this has no reality outside the space between your ears. Iraq was an ordinary Arab state prior to 1958, not severely brutalized, not at war with itself, just suboptimal in a half dozen ways. The political peregrinations over the succeeding 10 years were hardly beneficial, but the place was an abbatoir for only a brief period in 1963. The advent of the Ba’ath was the occasion for the establishment of a sanginary totalitarian state run by cohorts of cousins from around Tikrit. Conjoined to that was the regimes bizarre revanchist-imperialist foreign policy. Estimates of Iraqi dead from the Iran-Iraq War bounce around 200,000, added to which there was intramural slaughter by the regime (common estimates bounce around 300,000). The mean population of Iraq during the Ba’ath period was around 16 million, btw. Awful lot of corpses for a country with that population.

While we’re at it, the latest release from the Maddison Project supplies us with the data on the evolution of real per capita product in Iraq over the period running from 1969 to 2002. It declined by 20%. Economic performance that poor is in this world at that time is nearly unique. You see that sort of thing in a few quite hopeless African countries and nowhere else. (For scale, note that Jordan’s real per capita product increased by 90% during that run of years, Iran’s increased by 70%. Egypt’s increased by a factor of 3.7. Turkey’s increased 2.7-fold. Pakistan’s, 2.3-fold. Even suffering Lebanon’s increased by about 20%. Heckuva job, Tikritis.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 5:57pm

Islam before 1958 doesn’t count. Even Iranian woman wore short skirts in 1958. Im talking about post Ayatollah. You cannot possibly have a moderate government ruling a Muslim population. It simply does not work. Impossible. Even the Jordanian King knows better. The Saudi Emirates know better. The tyrant in Syria knows better.

Look at Lebanon when the Muslims have free reign there. Go into a Christian neighbourhood and then go into a Muslim neighbourhood- garbage everywhere they look like slums. Hezbollah is in control (with a Christian President following like a puppy dog). Lebanon to this day doesn’t have a proper electricity supply and the nation still operates on generators. The 20% increase in per capita product most definitely hasn’t gone into the treasury coffers. It’s gone into political pockets. Even those who accumulated wealth outside of Lebanon, have barely anything to show for it if their money is in a Lebanese bank. That’s another story.

There is no way you are going to convince me that a Muslim population anywhere can thrive without a hard fist. You observe Muslim populations living in Western countries and lets talk about the level of respect being shown for the local law. They skim it. Talk to me about National Patriotism and Muslims. I’m not talking about the odd Muslim man you are friendly terms with at work. Im talking about suburbs with power in numbers.

Since you like statistic, go and look up how many Iraqi Christian and Syrian Christians are left in those countries. Look at Lebanon’s decreasing Christian population. Then come back and tell me how well Muslim society works when it is afforded the same freedoms as Western ones do. A hard fist is what they understand and fear. Bush should have understood this. Don’t care if Iran and Iraq slaughtered eachother. What did that have anything to do with the US?

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 6:27pm

Islam before 1958 doesn’t count. Even Iranian woman wore short skirts in 1958. Im talking about post Ayatollah. You cannot possibly have a moderate government ruling a Muslim population. It simply does not work. Impossible. Even the Jordanian King knows better. The Saudi Emirates know better. The tyrant in Syria knows better.

There are, I believe, 40-odd states with a muslim majority. About 19 are (1) in a state of civil peace and (2) have a competitive and pluralistic political order. About 7 are suffering various degrees of internal disorder (with one, Somalia, in an anarchic state). About 3 are military regimes with varying amounts of space for public discussion. Two are run by establishments derived from old partisan movements; one is somewhat pluralistic, the other not. Five are autocratic monarchies (all passably benevolent). Five are run by post-Soviet establishments (of which one incorporates a weird cult-of-personality). One is a very odd Sharia-law patrimonial monarchy. One is run by two sets of brigands. And one is a hybrid personalist-party dictatorship.

You’re quite the Dunning-Kruger exemplar.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 6:46pm

I believe, you haven’t visited any of the one of those 40 states. You’ve read about them and probably would have believed at the time that the world was flat. Art Deco you have a proper superior IQ than anyone I’ve ever come across. I can only dream.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 8:39pm

I believe, you haven’t visited any of the one of those 40 states.

So what? It’s one deflection after another with you.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Saturday, January 23, AD 2021 11:16pm

You are correct again Art.

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