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PopeWatch: Translation Error

The attempt to argue that Pope Francis was mistranslated in regard to civil unions is apparently incorrect:

 

Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez, a long-time theological advisor to Pope Francis, has weighed in on the meaning of a phrase used by the pope in a video clip in “Francesco,” a documentary released Wednesday in Rome. The phrase, which is translated as “civil unions,” is at the center of a series of controversies about the documentary.

“Francesco,” a newly released documentary on the life and ministry of Pope Francis, made global headlines this week, because the pope appears to call for civil union legislation, in contrast to the positions of his predecessors.

“What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered,” the pope is seen to say in the documentary, during a scene in which Pope Francis talks about pastoral care for those who identify as LGBT.

 

The pope is seen to use the Spanish-language phrase “convivencia civil,” which is translated in the film’s subtitles as “civil union.” After some Spanish-speaking priests said the translation was inaccurate, Archbishop Fernandez, a theologian who has long been close to the pope, said that the pope’s phrase is substantially equivalent to the phrase “civil union.”

Fr. Augustino Torres, CFR, a New York-based priest who works in youth ministry, posted a video on Wednesday saying he believes “the pope was misunderstood, misquoted, misinterpreted.”

In an October 21 post on Instagram, Torres said the original Spanish makes clear that the pope’s comments are not an endorsement of civil unions.

The priest said the phrase that has been translated by the media as “civil union” is actually better translated as “law of civil convivience” or “civil coexistence.”

By using this phrase, Torres said, Pope Francis is talking about some kind of legal protection, which the priest did not specify, but not a homosexual civil union.

But Fernández, Archbishop of La Plata, Argentina, said Wednesday that the pope’s term connotes a civil union as the term is commonly understood.

 

Go here to read the rest.  PopeWatch can understand the desire of orthodox Catholics to hope, once again, that the Pope was mistranslated.  The truth is much simpler:  Pope Francis is a very bad Pope, probably the worst in the history of the Church.  Every day he remains in his office is a good day for heresy.  We can only pray that God will deliver us from His faithless Vicar soon.

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Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 3:44am

Key take away: “Pope Francis is a very bad Pope, probably the worst in the history of the Church. Every day he remains in his office is a good day for heresy. We can only pray that God will deliver us from His faithless Vicar soon.”

Jmjtusa
Jmjtusa
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 4:54am

probably the worst in the history of the Church..
If you think that, you don’t know your history… How sad that you fall into the trap of the devil…

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 6:08am

Contextually, “civil coexistence” never made sense. He wasn’t advocating for civil coexistence when he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires, he was advocating for civil unions.

I don’t think he’s the worst Pope, just the weakest.

Quotermeister
Quotermeister
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 6:22am

On one hand:
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2019/12/de-mattei-who-was-worst-pope-in-history.html
On the other hand:
“What might, much more plausibly, be argued is that PF
is the worst pope in the single sense that the papal office
has drastically changed under the influence of modernity,
in a world of instant communications and rapid reporting
and the possibility of minute-by-minute micromanagement.
So this Ministry, when exercised by an impatient
shoot-from-the-hip-especially-when-you’re-irritated
individual like PF, is more dangerous now than any exercise
of the Petrine office was in the past, even in the pontificates
of very bad men, back in those happy days when the ordinary
layman or cleric probably knew little about the current occupant
of the Roman See, and had certainly not heard about the sillier
things he said in his private chapel this morning or the proclivities
of his nastier cronies.”
https://gloria.tv/post/mb9i3MAqp6z33ubdpTUyk8CGw
On the other other hand:
“Wait a minute, wait a minute. You ain’t heard nothin’ yet.
Wait a minute I tell ya, you ain’t heard nothin’. ”
– Al Jolson in “The Jazz Singer”

WK Aiken
WK Aiken
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 6:36am

JMJTUSA-

Even the Borgias weren’t heretics.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 6:37am

Even the “impatient, shoot from the hip grumpy old man” characterization of Pope Francis is overly generous , as it suggests the confusion is accidental instead of intended.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 6:38am

Neither’s Francis, at least not in the formal sense, which is the only one we should be using.

ken
ken
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 7:59am

If it was unintentional the Vatican would have issued a correction. Instead the pope has further divided the Church. The pro-sodomy lefties are rejoicing (soon their will be same-sex mirages, the middle is trying to find a way to square what the pope has said with Tradition or claiming a mistranslation and authentic Catholics are left clinging at straws.

Father of Seven
Father of Seven
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 8:02am

His heresy is a feature not a bug. At this point, there is no reason not to believe every word of the Eugenio Scalfari interviews, or that Francis believes that God positively wills a diversity of religions. In other words, he believes Christ was simply a man while on earth and that other religions are a path to the Father. And, I haven’t even gotten to the homosexual predators that are the hallmark of his papacy. I would not let this person anywhere near any of my family. Calling him a heretic is being kind.

Don L
Don L
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 8:21am

After so many years of pretending, “the pope didn’t really say that.” I no longer believe a word they say.

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 8:36am

Quote:
The archbishop posted on Facebook that before he became pope, then-Cardinal Bergoglio “always recognized that, without calling it ‘marriage,’ in fact there are very close unions between people of the same sex, which do not in themselves imply sexual relations, but a very intense and stable alliance.”

As “civil union” in the American English most assuredly is generally understood to mean sexual relations, there’s either politics involved or Argentina has some massively different meaning to the phrase.

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 8:39am

The sad thing is, I’ve been arguing for something like THIS since high school, because I knew several folks who were definitely not romantically involved, they were siblings that were somehow born to the wrong parents:
“They know each other thoroughly, they share the same roof for many years, they take care of each other, they sacrifice for each other. Then it may happen that they prefer that in an extreme case or illness they do not consult their relatives, but that person who knows their intentions in depth. And for the same reason they prefer that it be that person who inherits all their assets, etc.”

That’s the archbishop elaborating on what he thinks a civil union is generally understood to be.

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 8:46am

Hm, knew I recognized that name– looks like it’s probably politics, standard issue mote-and-bailey where he states what he wants reported, and then elaborates in a defensible manner that does not align.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-appoints-kissing-priest-archbishop-in-argentina-exiles-predece

Clinton
Clinton
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 9:13am

It’s the main reason we have a Pope, that the man explain the Faith as clearly as possible. As we have seen, in that respect this pontificate is carved from a single flawless block of abject failure.

The lack of clarity is a feature, not a bug. The controversies and the ‘clarifications’ create a fog of confusion that appears to be deliberate. And the only reason for deliberate confusion as part of policy is because an agenda can’t be advanced without it.

This pontificate is a kidney stone, and it will be a relief when it’s passed.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 10:42am

This pontificate is a kidney stone, and it will be a relief when it’s passed.

I suspect we’re facing something as enduring as the 10th c. pornocracy.

Patrick O'Brien
Patrick O'Brien
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 10:44am

I think he is one of the worst antipopes in Church history.

Foxfier
Admin
Reply to  Clinton
Monday, October 26, AD 2020 12:38pm

It’s the main reason we have a Pope, that the man explain the Faith as clearly as possible. As we have seen, in that respect this pontificate is carved from a single flawless block of abject failure.

A-freakin’-men.

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