Someone is Going to be Killed Before This Election is Through

 

Sadly, I think this election may be one of the more violent in recent memory, judging from this truly reprehensible tactic being adopted by some Democrat operatives:

While most serious campaigns on both sides use campaign trackers — staffers  whose job is to record on video every public appearance and statement by an  opponent — House Democrats are taking it to another level. They’re now recording  video of the homes of GOP congressmen and candidates and posting the raw footage  on the Internet for all to see.

That ratcheting up of the video surveillance game is unnerving Republicans  who insist that even by political standards, it’s a gross invasion of privacy.  Worse, they say, it creates a safety risk for members of Congress and their  families at a time when they are already on edge after a deranged gunman shot  former Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle  Giffords 18 months ago.

Wisconsin GOP Rep. Reid  Ribble who said he’s also been followed by a cameraman when shopping for  groceries, said the home videos cross a line.

“I feel it’s totally inappropriate,” said Ribble, a freshman facing a  competitive race for reelection. “It was disturbing to me that they would put  that online. I don’t understand any political benefit that can be achieved with  that.”

Go here to Politico to read the rest.  Leave aside the invasion of personal privacy that even politicians are entitled to for their families, what possible political purpose is served by posting these videos on the internet?  Aren’t such postings an open invitation for some deranged wacko in internetland to go to the candidate’s house in pursuit of mayhem?  This is yet another step down the road of transforming politics in this country into something akin to a low-level civil war with almost no boundaries of decency.  Someone is going to die in this campaign if this is the level to which political tactics are  falling.

76 Responses to Someone is Going to be Killed Before This Election is Through

  • “They” will try to assassinate Romney, and may succeed. Indeed, given the recent Secret Service scandals, why should men from a government agency whose loyalty is to Obama be trusted to protect Romney? OK, I am paranoid. But no, I am not a conspiracy theorist. I just think that if Obama senses he will lose, he will stop at nothing. Lrt’s hope and pray that my fears are unhinged.

  • This is the “new civility” Obama’s been talking about since he took control.

    He pretty much has us finished. Stick a fork in the USA.

  • That goes way beyond anything I say in my post Paul. What I am saying is that this type of tactic can only serve to encourage deranged individuals to attack the homes of candidates they oppose. I can think of no other reason to post the videos on youtube, and thus it is a truly a despicable tactic.

  • T. Shaw, your pessimism is unwarranted and unworthy of a man of Irish blood. This is a time to stand up and toss out the rascals at the polls!

  • I make cash contributions to the NRA, not the GOP.

    The GOP is no better than the Dum party.

    I will vote.

    It’s not about pessimism, it’s about preparation.

    If Obama wins in November, it is all over. Go see what it will be like. Watch those currently popular zombie and “saw” horror flicks.

    Suppose you were an idiot. And, suppose you were the Chief Justice of the US. But, I repeat myself.

  • This could be interesting.

    Let’s track who is on the kill list.

    Charles Gasparino likely is near the top.

    “Our president has a funny way with words when it comes to describing the lousy economy. Even for an election year, some of his whoppers would be laughable — if they weren’t coming from a man who wants to remain in charge of the country and its floundering economy for another four years

    “Speaking after last Friday’s jobs report, President Obama said the economy is taking a ‘step in the right direction.’ Really?

    “Economic growth as measured by gross domestic product is falling; it’s now less than 2 percent. The Friday report showed that 80,000 jobs were created last month, vs. 77,000 the month before. So, yes, there was an increase — but, earlier in the year, the economy created an average of 226,000 jobs a month. The trend line is actually falling — i.e., we’re headed in the wrong direction.”

    Somebody tell the Bernank!

  • If the country survived 12 years of FDR T. Shaw it could survive four more years of Obama in the extremely unlikely event that he gets re-elected. He would be facing a GOP House and probably a GOP Senate and any legislative agenda he had for a second term would be DOA.

  • Americans have always been busy-bodies and never more so than in the age of YouTube and the like in which virtually every banal event is recorded for our collective “amusement.” TV is the “soma” of the age, to use Aldous Huxley’s word in Brave New World. Neil Postman brilliantly captured this cultural phenomenon in “Amusing Ourselves to Death” three decades ago. It’s pure entertainment, nothing more.

  • Welcome to the United States of Chicago.

  • If the country survived 12 years of FDR T. Shaw it could survive four more years of Obama in the extremely unlikely event that he gets re-elected. He would be facing a GOP House and probably a GOP Senate and any legislative agenda he had for a second term would be DOA.

    “This,” as all the young hep cats say with their zany lingo.

    If the opposition party is unwilling to oppose, then we’ll have problems. Don’t forget the salient fact that most governors and state houses are now solidly GOP, too. Enough with the woe-is-me, rolling-over-to-show-your-belly-reaction. The system is designed for gridlock, and it looks to work rather nicely should the President win. It might even force some necessary change, but that is my wildly-optimistic side showing.

  • The opposition party . . .

    What opposition party? It ain’t the GOP.

    There aren’t enough TEA party candidates.

    Dubya gave us Medicare D drug entitlement and “no child left behind”, and I get frisked every time I fly.

    Stifle yourself, Edith. I am not one of those ignorant libertarians that employ the perfect as the enemy of the good.

  • Would you expect anything better from a political organization that is filled with people who support the murder of 52,000,000 unborn human beings? A political organization whose ends justify the means? How would any Catholic, especially the clergy want to give their name and support to such an organization, an organization that in Church teachings on the 5th Commandment is a sin to belong to (Life in Christ – Instructions in the Catholic Faith published 1958 and revised in 1995)?

  • I suppose, reluctantly , that the title of the post is right, and that Donald McCleary’s meaning that wackos may be encouraged in their wackiness is correct. That is a concern. Another big concern is that non-wackos: law enforcers, judges etc are encouraged in their selective enforcement and prejudicial interpretations, to the extent that someone is not necessarily killed, but could be jailed for things like publicly opposing gay marriage, and generally teaching preaching and living out Catholic Church teaching which is opposed by the administration and by the media

  • The calliopes on the merry-go-rounds of the partying admin & supporters have been replaced by sound bites and phrases of bullying, mocking, derision, and disrespect of any who might question. This vilification of the ‘rich’ who earn money (not donated by partyers which is what the ‘work’ for this country has been these past four years), religious consciences, and the basically wholesome and innocent citizens who see any of the outrage being ordered, legislated, and stirred up is in itself deadly enough to ruin their health – these are the unknown deaths already happening from the ‘news’ of turns of events.
    “Why don’t they like this country they swore to serve?” “Why can’t they say something good?” “why can’t they let kids be kids?” “What’s wrong with the saluting the flag?” “What’s wrong with believing in God?” “What’s wrong with trying to earn a living and pay my own way?” “What’s wrong with standing against – killing babies ?” “What happened to right and wrong?” “What about good and bad?”
    “Mitt Romney likes this country and wants to be its leader. Isn’t that better than voting for someone who doesn’t and isn’t?” United, not divided.

  • I, too, think that someone will get killed over this election cycle – or perhaps many someones. But the key to understanding where this comes from is the fact that the left is largely taxpayer-funded and thus has an army of people who can, day in and day out, advance the cause of the left. Someone is paying for these efforts to intimidate and somewhere along the line the funding is tax free (ie, someone is donating it to someone and getting a tax break for it). And that leaves out the number of leftist groups which are entirely on the government dole – and use the funding to advance the left. The way to win – finally and completely – is to eliminate the direct and indirect taxpayer funding of the left. If these people had to get jobs they wouldn’t have time to be nasty – our politics would clean itself up because filth would no longer flow freely in to it.

    The good news is that if Romney does win (and I think he will, resoundingly) then he’s going to have to cut spending. Its not a matter of “if” but “what” gets cut…and the logical place for him to cut, the place which will cost him the least, is precisely in those areas of government where the liberals are thickest and most determined to destroy.

  • “That goes way beyond anything I say in my post Paul….”

    You are correct, Donald. In fact, I think that Obama will stop at nothing to keep power, whether that be stirring up the rabid left into paroxysms of hatred and violence or using his own resources. Obama murders babies. Obama will murder adults.

  • Come on now; admit it. You people absolutely love the things you’re bitching about. It enables you to build the myth of the “persecuted” Christian — especially the radical right wing “nut” variety of Christian. You’re a disgrace to the Catholic Church in particular and to Christianity in general. Grow up.

    William L. Zimmerman, Sacred Heart Parish, Altoona, Pennsylvania

  • Why thank you Mr. Zimmerman! It had been a while since we had seen your humorous drive by troll comments. For our readers, here is a link below to earlier comedic stylings of Mr. Zimmerman:

    http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/02/27/the-american-catholic-in-good-company/

  • The good news is that if Romney does win (and I think he will, resoundingly) then he’s going to have to cut spending. Its not a matter of “if” but “what” gets cut…and the logical place for him to cut, the place which will cost him the least, is precisely in those areas of government where the liberals are thickest and most determined to destroy.

    Congress will have to cut spending. One hopes Mr. Romney will make vigorous suggestions and accede to it.

    Defenders of the House of Representatives, ca. 2001, contended they routinely passed reform legislation – which then died in the Senate. Mr. McConnell needs to contrive a set of parliamentary rules which allows his legislative body to function. Not holding my breath

  • This is Marxism in action as adapted to American conditions. It is useless to appeal to any moral code; for the Marxist the good is that which furthers his cause. There is a straight line from Marx to Trotsky to Radek to Alinksy. Fix em, freeze em with their own restraints and destroy em as they did to Tsarist Russia. It is not for nothing that Americans from a sturdier time treated such people as they would the plague. Expanding on this would probably get me banned so I’ll just leave now.

  • Watch out Yahoo, there is a new bombastic article title-er (guy who writes titles) in town.

  • America is the only nation on the face of the earth that has a Constitution guaranteeing Liberty. Those who wreck havoc on other peoples’ lives must be brought to the Rule of Law and shown their error. Unauthorized use of another person’s privacy needs to be rectified and like stealing must have restitution. Privacy infringement is like copyright infringement.

  • “Come on now; admit it. You people absolutely love the things you’re bitching about. It enables you to build the myth of the “persecuted” Christian — especially the radical right wing “nut” variety of Christian. You’re a disgrace to the Catholic Church in particular and to Christianity in general. Grow up.

    William L. Zimmerman, Sacred Heart Parish, Altoona, Pennsylvania”

    Not really. I had an optimistic, Pollyannaish view of our leaders until I became involved in an effort to get an abortion provider out of the high schools in our area. The lies, the hostility, and the intimidation our area’s school district used was shocking to me, and they did this with the complicity of the news media. They even broke federal law by releasing federally protected, private information about my children to the news media, which published it on the internet. It was then picked up by a television news station and broadcast across a large metropolitan area. Mr. Zimmerman, the opposition hates us. I personally think, after seeing it up close and personal, that they would like to find a rationalization to make us go away, however that might be accomplished.

  • I saw this on tv the other day & left me wondering where it will all end. I am worried about the future of this country if Obama is re-elected. I just keep praying somehow Romney wins. Obama just panders to groups, anything to get their votes.

  • Obama and his gang have made it “them or us.”

    In July 1980, Jimmeh (since January 2009, the second worst US president) Carter led in the polls by 8 points over Ronald Reagan.

    PS: Last month, Obama created more disability pensioners – 85,000 – than jobs – 80,000. During a real economic recovery, Ronald Reagan was creating 400,000 monthly.

    Destitute serfs are easier to control.

    However, don’t get over-confident.

  • “Obama Refuses To Concede, Cites Massive Voter Fraud by GOP”

    This sets up months of litigation and recounts, during which time his agents can “miraculously” find boxes and boxes of overlooked absentee ballots in Chicago, Gary, San Francisco, Newark, Detroit and other places (oddly) controlled by the Dum party, the irony of which will never be examined by the Dum propaganda machine.

    Fiction? Maybe before 2008 and the Black Panther intimidaions – which were thrown out by AG Eric Himmler Holder.

  • I think that Obama’s reaction WK, should he lose, will be a private sigh of relief. I can recall no President in my lifetime who apparently dislikes the job more than him. I expect him to leave office quietly, and pursuant to the Constitution, if, as I expect, he comes up short on election day. MIchelle, on the other hand, may have to be dragged from the White House, kicking and screaming! :)

  • I personally think, after seeing it up close and personal, that they would like to find a rationalization to make us go away, however that might be accomplished.

    Have a look at the internal governance of higher education; at recent legal excursions in Canada, Britain, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Sweden; and at the serial collusive frauds cooked up by our appellate judges, law professoriate, and public interest bar. You can see how they intend to accomplish matters.

  • “…the myth of the “persecuted” Christian” does not alleviate or change the TRUTH that Obama murders human beings to get what he wants. What is to stop Obama from any evil to get what he wants? When you stop obliterating the facts, you will find yourself enslaved. Lenin promised Religious Freedom. Go to any church you will. Lenin destroyed every church in Russia. Obama promised the people HOPE and CHANGE. People cannot find HOPE because Obama denies their souls and their humanity. This loss of dignity and sovereignty is the CHANGE.

  • Donald R. McClarey says:
    “I think that Obama’s reaction WK, should he lose, will be a private sigh of relief. I can recall no President in my lifetime who apparently dislikes the job more than him. I expect him to leave office quietly, and pursuant to the Constitution, if, as I expect, he comes up short on election day. MIchelle, on the other hand, may have to be dragged from the White House, kicking and screaming!”
    I hope she leaves the china. I like the china there.

  • Mary De Voe wrote, “I hope she leaves the china. I like the china there.”

    Perhaps one might hope – if I may play with that pun – that she will emigrate to China!

    ;-)

  • Wrong, McClarey

    I’m not a drive by. I’m here to stay. (At least until my exorcism of your kind from Catholicism is complete).

    William L. Zimmerman

  • Hilarious Mr. Zimmerman. You will have a long wait since orthodox Catholics have been around since the time of the Crucifixion, and we will be here until the Final Judgment.

  • Why, McClarey, you talk as if YOU “have been around since the time of the Crucifixion”; which I rather doubt. Otherwise you would understand how much dissension there really was in early Christianity. As for your trying to tell yourself that guys like me are “humorous”, well using comedy as a defense mechanism is sort of like whistling in the dark: It lets little guys like you pretend that my sort aren’t really so scary. Why are your knees knocking together so hard, Don?

    William L. Zimmerman

  • My favorite part is where he writes his name at the bottom of the comments. I mean, it’s right there at the top, but he really wants to let us know that William. L. Zimmerman is on the case!

    Now if I could only remember what parish he was from . . .

    Paul Zummo, by way of New York City, current whereabouts unknown.

  • “Paul Zummo, by way of New York City, current whereabouts unknown.”

    Why not keep it that way, Paul, you silly boob.

  • This isn’t my blog, but why aren’t individuals like Zimmerman banned? Why give them credence by allowing them to voice their opinions? There are plenty of places on the internet where their trash spews forth in a gush, a torrent of filth, rot and putrid decay otherwise know as liberalism and progressivism.

    Or maybe the point is to allow them to voice their opinions so that they show the kind of persons that leftists really are?

    Well, it’s not my blog………..but probably by my own rules I would have had to ban myself long ago! ;-)

  • Now, now, Paul. There, there. Don’t cry. I really should be so mean to you (especially given you doctorate from an official Catholic diploma mill).

    It’s just so hard not to sound condescending when arguing with people who are so incredibly ignorant.

    William L. Zimmerman,

    Sacred Heart Parish, Altoona, Pa.
    (just in case you “forgot”)

  • William L. Zimmerman What’s your point?
    ? why do you do this ? just curious

  • “? why do you do this ?”

    What does it matter to you, anzlyne? (just curious)

  • but why aren’t individuals like Zimmerman banned?

    Usually they are, but sometimes it’s useful to let such individuals be heard because they defeat their own cause. That said, I believe that Mr. Zimmerman’s utility is running out.

  • It doesn’t really matter to me Mr. Zimmerman. I was just wondering what your motive is. If you don’t want to answer, that’s fine, it doesn’t really matter to me. Just curious.
    Maybe there really is no answer. A mystery.

  • I’m just trying to figure out William’s point. He mentions the “myth of the ‘persecuted’ Christian.” Does that mean Christians have never been persecuted or that what is going on now is not persecution?

  • William – I participate on a lot of sites where I don’t share the majority opinion. I do it by agreeing where I can agree, and being constructive and/or persuasive where I can’t agree. Denouncing a site (even if it’s one worth denouncing) doesn’t accomplish anything.

    IF this site has a lot of people who enjoy feeling persecuted, do you think you’re going to persuade them at all by showing up and condemning them? No, you’re going to harden them. It’s a tough thing to do, but we should be trying to correct each other.

  • “I’m just trying to figure out William’s point. He mentions the “myth of the ‘persecuted’ Christian.” Does that mean Christians have never been persecuted or that what is going on now is not persecution?” – Phillip

    I can answer that. Christians have never been persecuted. It was simply the Romans asking that Christians do what everyone else is expected to do, by burning incense to Caesar. Obviously, a penalty can be assessed for failure to do so. Likewise, in England, they were simply asked to recognize the sovereign’s right to love the person of his choice, and it was rather intolerant for some to oppose this. It became necessary for the state to step in and ensure marriage equality for sovereigns by providing necessary regulation for religious institutions. In France, priests had been preying on unsuspecting Catholic peasants, and it was necessary to stop that by ridding the country of both predatory priests and Catholic peasants. Had only the priests been targeted for correction, the problem would have only been half solved. A thorough solution to the problem of priests taking advantage of their flocks by addressing both the priest and the flock.

    I can’t for the life of me understand why some on the right wish to call this “persecution” when these are legitimate problems that need to be addressed by a comprehensive goverment policy. Without government intervention, inequities can occur. Outcomes need to be equalized. It’s a known fact that the religious marketplace is unstable, and subject to fluctuations that can have bad outcomes, like hellfire and perdition. Why should everyone else have to pay with hellfire and perdition, and the wealthy not have to pay their fair share? The godless and the fornicators have to pay far more than everyone else, and this is unfair. Therefore, it’s necessary for a just distribution of outcomes to punish the good. To further this end, we should encourage the progressives in their “Occupy the Church Militant” movement.

  • “Why, McClarey, you talk as if YOU “have been around since the time of the Crucifixion”; which I rather doubt”

    It is called reading widely in the history of the Church Mr. Zimmerman, something I doubt you have done much of. There have always been heretics who have bedeviled the Church as best they could, but they have always failed to destroy Her.

  • “This isn’t my blog, but why aren’t individuals like Zimmerman banned?”

    Because I enjoy verbal slapstick, and I blog for fun. I will probably ban Mr. Zimmerman when I tire of his antics, but I haven’t yet. Someone who could write this and truly believe it as Mr. Zimmerman did, had better hope that God possesses as robust a sense of the absurd as I do:

    “We Cathoics are like scared school children, even as adults; awaiting Father’s or Sister’s approval before making moral decisions of the sort that can only be done on an individual level. What is right in one situation is wrong in another context. There are no short cuts in moral decision making. But there are a million shades of grey. Catholic Bishops should learn that. But, of course, they are not theologians — they are politicians, interested primarily in retaining their own power, wealth and position at the expense of “their sheep” (us). There is no theological basis for the notion that life begins at conception than there is that it begins at ejaculation. But these right thinking old fools are intent on imposing their views on all of us.

    William L. Zimmerman, Sacred Heart Parish, Altoona, PA”

    Someone claiming the title Catholic who is a pro-abort, a devotee of situational ethics and has only contempt for the Bishops of the Church! It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at the absurdity that is Mr. Zimmerman’s credo.

  • Zimbo,

    Where did you get’cher PhD?

    Free investment advice: buy Sturm Ruger stock and gold.

  • I have placed Mr. Zimmerman on moderation however. When he seems to be amusing I will approve his comment and let him perform for us like a two-headed dog, a bearded lady or an honest Congressman.

  • Not to worry. I’m moderating me.

  • Because I enjoy verbal slapstick, and I blog for fun.

    Speaking of which, whatever happened to that parody site of TAC? They had mirror world versions of everybody, but that’s about all I can remember…..

  • I believe the Catholic Anarchist tired of his The Catholic Fascist site, probably because of a lack of hits.

  • Well, booger. I was hoping there’d be a parody of me! (Yes, I’m a bit vain in that regard….)

  • With his subtle wit Foxfier, the Catholic Anarchist probably would have designated you Rabbitwhet!

  • I was thinking more like FlameBleep, possibly without the bleep and referring to a female dog! (the Kits were watching a My Little Pony has an episode where the dragon side-kid is mocking pony’s names, while someone was calling me the bleeped word online, thus musings and the wonder “whatever happened to that parody…..”)

    Having utterly derailed the topic, I’ll jerk it back by agreeing: yes, folks are going to die. I fully expect riots if Obama loses.

  • It’s just one phase in the collectivists’ war on peace and prosperity . . .

  • Mr. Zimmerman is a proud member of the Patriotic Association, alas. He maintains the “Catholic” moniker because because he read some Rahner once but didn’t really get it, but it makes for an occasional conversation starter with his more occasional visitors. It’s also useful in that allows him to scream at Catholic strangers on the internet, which is admittedly better than grousing at lampposts, if less civil. It also permits him to write letters to the editor that would not otherwise be published if he identified himself as an Episcopalian or Unitarian (but I repeat myself).

    He’s seen the future, and it…looks a lot like 1968.

    Waiter, can I get a better troll? This one’s stale and over-seasoned with cliches, left-wing catchphrases and other substitutes for thought.

  • If Romney picks Condi Rice, I’m sitting it out. Sheesh. Didn’t we try affirmative action already with terrible results? Besides, who needs the dragon lady a heartbeat away? It’s hard to believe in a country of 320 million people, the best the GOP can come up with are Trump (an arrogant self-promoter), Cain (a serial adulterer), Gingrich, (a has-been chickenhawk), Santorum, (a right-wing loony), and now Romney, the worst of the bunch for having no identity whatsoever.

  • Joe, in what way was Santorum a “right wing Loony”?

  • Trump (an arrogant self-promoter), Cain (a serial adulterer), Gingrich, (a has-been chickenhawk), Santorum, (a right-wing loony), and now Romney, the worst of the bunch for having no identity whatsoever.

    Do you have any sort of internal editor before you hit the send button? Trump was never a candidate; what Herman Cain did and did not do has been left rather murky; referring to Sen. Santorum as a “loony” fails even as rhetorical hyperbole; and Gov. Romney (a capable businessman and father of five) certainly has an ‘identity’, it is just that he regards issues as instrumentalities.

    It is also exceedingly poor form to make gratuitous attacks on other people’s honor. Dr. Gingrich did not serve in the military because he had dependent children from 1963 to 1989. The only time in American history when fathers have been expected as a matter of routine to serve in the military was during the interval from the fall of 1943 to the fall of 1945. In the acts governing the raising of troops in effect during the Civil War, World War I, World War II, and the period running from 1948 to 1973, there were provisions to excuse fathers from mandatory service, including the blanket exemption in effect from 1940 to 1943, 1945 to 1947, and 1948 to 1973. Unlike a student deferment this one is extended to every class of society. Look at the figures for first enlistment and induction during the period running from 1965 to 1972: you see a mean of 670,000 entering the regular armed forces each year out of male age cohorts numbering 1.8 million. Most men were never on active duty. (One might also note that Dr. Gingrich was during his days as a professor known as a Rockefeller Republican).

  • *shrug* I kinda figured Joe was in a bad mood and throwing out nasty caricatures of who Obama wishes had been on the scene. With that much rumor and insult, how’s it to be taken seriously?

  • Chill out, Joe.

    Here’s another loser America (all of 320,000,000 people) came up with.

    A nobody so dull and illogical that one wonders how he manages to breathe.

    I give you Barack Obama.

  • Man, when you’ve got T. Shaw telling you to chill out, you know you’ve gone too far.

  • I concede I got up on the wrong side of the bed and retract what I said about Rick. He was the strongest pro-line candidate and spokesman for traditional family values. I’ll give him that. Weak, however, on the economy and foreign policy.

    The rest stands. “Doctor” Gingrich has been “operating” for years, thanks to his mostlyh well-heeled Jewish benefactors who pumped millions into his fledgling campaign. The result: Newt’s ready to bomb Iran at the drop of a hat. The self-described “bold Reagan conservative” undercut his idol numerous times, especially over the Nicaraguan contra scandal when the ex-House Speaker said:

    ‘Measured against the scale and momentum of the Soviet empire’s challenge, the Reagan Administration has failed, is failing, and without a dramatic change in strategy will continue to fail. . . . President Reagan is clearly failing.’ Why? This was due partly to ‘his administration’s weak policies, which are inadequate and will ultimately fail’; partly to CIA, State, and Defense, which ‘have no strategies to defeat the empire.’ But of course ‘the burden of this failure frankly must be placed first on President Reagan.’

    After leaving office, Newt was falling into obscurity but soon bounced back and amassed $100 million for himself and others by charging $60,000 a pop for speeches, lobbying and “consulting” fees, mostly notoriously the $1.8 million he pocketed from Freddie Mac. Throw in three marriages, including the infamous incident when he was discussing divorce with one while she was ill in the hospital, and you have the outlines of a truly despicable, self-centered human being.

    When Newt finally buys the farm and if I am still around I will be reminded of Clarence Darrow’s line: “I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.”

  • 20 years in the food service/restaurant business taught me a lot. One of the primary lessons was that the customer who walks in complaining had the issues before he came through the door.

  • Dr. Newton LeRoy Gingrich has a perfectly legitimate degree in modern history awarded by Tulane University and was a professor at West Georgia College from 1970 to 1978. I cannot figure why you insist on using scare quotes around his courtesy title.

    The notion he could have amassed a nine figure sum of money from speaking fees and lobbying beggars belief.

    You response is also evasive. The man’s domestic history, manifest personality problems, influence peddling, and affection for novelties and gimmicks provide ample material for criticism. What he is not is a draft dodger, which is what you called him. Stop being vicious and stop being an ass.

  • Art, I will concede the honorific much in the same way I would to Dr. Doolittle. I didn’t say he was a “draft dodger,” as you assert but labeled him as a “chickenhawk,” which is not quite the same. But I would lump him in with the likes of Cheney and Quayle, to mention just two in the GOP ranks, who love to fight wars from the comfort of their armchairs.
    As for being an “ass,” my wife would probably agree with you.

  • But I would lump him in with the likes of Cheney and Quayle, to mention just two in the GOP ranks, who love to fight wars from the comfort of their armchairs

    You continue in this pattern of malicious misdirection.

    I know of nothing which would indicate that Richard Cheney, J.D. Quayle, or N.L. Gingrich “love” to fight wars. They have been known to advocate the use of force as a policy tool. Either the use of force in certain situations is just or it is not. Either it is prudent or it is not. The personal history of particular politicians has no bearing on either of these questions.

    You not only persist in smearing Gingrich, you extend it to Quayle and Cheney. If you are looking at the collegian population born over the years running from 1939 to 1952 or the remainder born over the years running from 1943 to 1952, you are going to find that about 30% were deferred or simply not summoned to service because the military’s manpower requirements were adequately met and another 25% who were disqualified (very often for reasons quite minor; I know a man declared medically unsuitable due to excema on his feet). Among them were Gingrich (who had dependent children), Cheney (whose years of eligibility were mostly during years when draft calls were low, who had dependent children during his last years of eligibility, and who had a student deferment on and off before that). On what basis do you declare 55% of the male population to have done something dishonorable????

    Dr. Doolitle was a fictional character. Dr. Gingrich is a real person with real accomplishments.

  • Having served, I think I’ve earned the right to criticize those who advocate military force as long as someone else does the dying. As for the rest of it, Art, have it your way.

  • Having served, I think I’ve earned the right to criticize those who advocate military force as long as someone else does the dying.

    And who did that? None of the three men in question are known to have enunciated such a principle nor can be shown to have lived by it.

    The principle you are applying would disqualify anyone from forming an opinion on a question of foreign policy (other than a pacifist opinion) if they were not assigned to combat duty in Korea, VietNam, or the Gulf or to some sort of adjacent position occasionally in harm’s way. You would disqualify almost every single woman in the United States from any kind of elective federal office, disqualify in excess of 90% of the male population born during the years running from 1928 to 1952, and disqualify higher proportions of subsequent cohorts. You would disqualify my uncle. He was a Navy pilot, not an occupation which attracts and retains people without physical courage. You have not earned the right to do that.

  • Art, I will concede the honorific much in the same way I would to Dr. Doolittle.

    Then you are indeed an ass, and a rather ignorant one at that.

    Now I can go back to ignoring what you write.

  • Thanks, Paul. Always nice to hear a kind word from you.
    As for Art, his rants are truly precious. He loves to talk about “rights,” but then denies them to anyone who has the temerity to disagree with him. A true American who believes in liberty and justice for all.

  • You invoked a ‘right’ based on your military service which is a false claim whether one is speaking of law or of standards of courtesy. You have not answered one question or challenge in the course of this discussion.

  • In ancient Sparta, arguments were decided by who shouted the loudest. As I am being outshouted here by Art, Paul, Shaw and others, I hereby withdraw to speak another day.
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  • .Having served, I think I’ve earned the right to criticize those who advocate military force as long as someone else does the dying. As for the rest of it, Art, have it your way.

    As someone who has served, I call you a jackass.

    There is nothing specially privileged about having put yourself in harms way– assuming you willing did so; by your argument, my father has less of a right to speak on military matters than I do, since he was drafted and I signed up voluntarily, and my husband has yet more since he went in after 9/11 (God help you if you go to him for some sort of “chickenhawk” argument support)– there is only the fallacy of appeal to emotion.

    There are few things that will make me curse openly on TAC. This is one of them. (Calling you a donkey isn’t exactly cursing, but it’s close enough. Rather more insulting, from the jack asses I’ve met. Even the jennies.)

    You are insulting me, my husband, several of my uncles, a wide range of cousins and several dead friends by STEALING authority from us to maliciously malign others for political reasons.

    Go do something to yourself that is so extreme even a sailor wouldn’t yell it at you in the heat of anger while dead drunk.

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