One-third? I don’t see it. Ten to fifteen percent? Yeah, he could do that.
Hmmm
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Since the vote will be fixed, does it matter who runs? computers will supply the necessary votes for the candidate of the democratic powers-that-be/
That is the counsel of despair Bob, or rather the counsel of Civil War II. I hope and trust that ballots can still resolve it.
Are we just counting the legal votes?
Don, I pray that you are correct. However, I hear nothing from the Republican candidates or Republican powers-that-be about strategy and tactics to avoid what happened November (before and after), 2020.
Georgia actually has made effective changes. You can tell they are effective by the way NPR is moaning about them:
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/27/1112487312/georgia-voting-law-ballot-drop-box-access
Georgia isn’t the only one:
https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/the-republican-war-on-drop-boxes-continues/
The election will stolen again. Not counsel of despair at all. It’s what they do and with each election they just hone their craft.
Snowball effect: If he shows initial strength, more will jump on the bandwagon, if his initial success is minimal, he will fade quickly (except maybe in crazy Ca where anything goes).
@JMJ, my initial inclination was the same as yours, and I remain in grave doubt as to the ability of the Republican party, as presently constituted, to learn and play the ballot-harvesting game at the level of the Democrats, who have been stealing elections since their founding. But the stories to which Donald points us, and others out there, do give some reasons for hope, as does the possible Kennedy third party run. I am skeptical that Trump by himself can get enough votes counted to beat the cheat, but if RFK Jr. is running, he very well may get enough votes counted to make Trump’s margins too big to be stolen away. RFK’s timing is propitious.
I am not, by the way, one of those thinking that Trump should pick RFK Jr. as his VP candidate. Seems to me that such a move would do more harm than good. I could be persuaded otherwise, I suppose, but I’m not the one who needs to be persuaded, Trump is. I don’t see him going down that road.
All that said, my predictions don’t have a very good record of coming true. It’s going to be an interesting year.
Then how did we win the House last year jmj? How did Youngkin win in a blue state like Virginia in 2021? People exaggerate fraud and understate how many conservatives sit on their dead behinds at home because “everyone” knows the election will be stolen. I think there was fraud in 2020 on the Presidential level. I also think Trump did an awful lot to blow a very winnable race. On the other hand Ron DeSantis went from barely being elected in Florida to blowing out the Democrats across the board in 2022. The worst thing Trump has done is to convince too many conservatives that they should embrace doom and gloom instead of taking steps to actually get out their vote. Trump is the ultimate narcissist. He can never admit to doing anything wrong. Fraud was his way of avoiding any thought of the long lists of mistakes he made running against a virtual corpse in 2020. He also possesses raw political talent, but when it comes to the nuts and bolts of politics he is a complete boob. He is also too much of an egotist to listen to good advice. Instead he heeds sycophants who feed his worst instincts. I am much more worried about Trump blowing the 2024 election than I am of fraud.
But if Michele Obama runs?
I doubt if she would. It is also difficult to start a Presidential career late in life unless you are a successful general, or Donald Trump.
But if Michele Obama runs?
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MO is interested in (1) her children and (2) decorative arts and (3) conduits to pay for and display decorative arts. She has what she wants in life. She’s stuck with BO, but life’s full of trade-offs.
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But if Michele Obama runs? Her mouth. The only things she knows how to run.
By the way what even is an environmental lawyer? Is that a real profession? Rhetorical question.
After all this, If they put a dementia patient and pulled his strings successfully throughout his term imagine the possibilities. The candidates could even be inanimate objects and it really wouldn’t matter. In fact my bet is they are planning on installing an AI generated candidate. At least they can be sure AI President will stay on script, unlike their old mate Joe.
Michele Obama is very popular with the voters that the Dems need to motivate. If she runs, she likely wins. It doesn’t matter what her experience is, it doesn’t matter what her interests are … It’s Barack 2.0 (or 3.0 if you’re skeptical that Joe is calling the shots)
If she runs, she likely wins.
Disagree. 2024 is not 2008 and her husband, whatever else one might say about him, was a skilled politician. Of course one might have made the same argument about the electability of Mrs. Clinton in 2016, and she had vastly more experience as a politician.
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her husband, whatever else one might say about him, was a skilled politician.
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Disagree. Spam in a can. As for her, she’s not the least bit interested in the office, or, indeed, any sort of salaried employment.
“if RFK Jr. is running, he very well may get enough votes counted to make Trump’s margins too big to be stolen away. RFK’s timing is propitious.”
Our best hope may be that RFK Jr. does to Biden what Ross Perot did to the elder Bush in 1992. Though if Biden is on his way out the door, I expect the Democrats will either 1) settle for Kamala and try to sell her as an “historic first” female president of color, or 2) run Gavin Newsom plus a black female running mate (possibly Michelle Obama, since being Veep wouldn’t carry the same demands as being POTUS). I think #2 may be pretty hard to beat even with all the criticism of how Newsom has run California, because he’s going to have the entire MSM and political establishment at his back.
because he’s going to have the entire MSM and political establishment at his back.
That has been a Democrat advantage Elaine since 1964. I think Newsom would sell poorly outside of California and states just as blue as California. As for Kamala, she couldn’t be elected chief Kindergarten teacher, let alone President.
“Spam in a can.”
Nope. Pretty good orator and ruthless enough to take out two opponents early in his career before he faced them at the ballot box. He demolished the Clinton machine in the 2008 primaries and managed the feat of being the first black elected to the oval office. As a politician I would rate him in Bill Clinton’s league.
Our best hope may be that RFK Jr. does to Biden what Ross Perot did to the elder Bush in 1992.
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If I recall survey research I’ve seen in re Perot voters, he was drawing about equally off the other candidates’ vote pools. He’d have had to have taken about 2/3 of his voters from Bush the Elder to have thrown the popular balloting to the degree he did.
What was distressing about the 1992 election was that a disappointing but not injurious president was tossed out of office in favor of the likes of Bilge Clinton. Bush was a combat veteran who had built his own business from scratch and hadn’t run for office until age 40. Clinton’s history of private sector employment was limited to p/t and seasonal wage jobs as a student and he received privileged treatment which allowed him to welsh on his ROTC service obligations. (Lots of presidential candidates haven’t had military service, but only two are proven to have have gamed the system to avoid service; Bernie Sanders is the other). His first run for public office was at age 28 and he’s never run for a p/t local office. Of the eight competitive candidates for president in 1992, he had the most atrocious character (and came with a ghastly wife to boot), yet he was the eventual winner.
“I think Newsom would sell poorly outside of California and states just as blue as California.”
If “states just as blue as California” means states that tilt or lean Dem in POTUS elections and that currently have Democratic trifectas (governorship and both legislative houses controlled by Dems) in place, that list would not only include California with its 54 electoral votes, but also: Colorado (10 EVs), Connecticut (7 EVs), Delaware (3 EVs), Hawaii (4 EVs), Illinois (19 EVs), Maine (4), Maryland (10), Massachusetts (11), Michigan (15), Minnesota (10), New Jersey (14), New Mexico (5), New York (28), Oregon (8), Rhode Island (3), and Washington (12). That’s 17 states with a total of 217 electoral votes — only 53 short of what’s needed to win — which means he may have a far stronger base than we give him credit for.
Pretty good orator and ruthless enough to take out two opponents early in his career before he faced them at the ballot box. He demolished the Clinton machine in the 2008 primaries and managed the feat of being the first black elected to the oval office. As a politician I would rate him in Bill Clinton’s league.
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I’m going to wager that moles in the court system sent that material over the transom and he was spiteful enough to use it. Note, if the press had any integrity, they’d simply have refused to publish the content of the documentation and they’d have published the name of the person who gave it to them.
His campaign in 2008 was run by a Democratic operative named David Plouffe. He’d only faced a competitive campaign once before, and he’d been put in his place by Bobby Rush in that campaign. He didn’t ‘demolish the Clinton machine”. She actually had a slight advantage in popular votes by some counts and was only about 10% behind in pledged delegates. It was a preference cascade among the ‘superdelegates’ which put him over the top.
People who would have voted against him on race alone don’t vote Democratic anyway. That he was ‘the first black’ wasn’t much of an achievement (and his relationship to the domestic black population has been that he married into it; he did not grow up in it and his actual personal friends in the domestic black population have been quite atypical).
His opponent was facing incredible headwinds in 2008 and still did as well as Michael Dukakis in 1988.
If he were a politician in Clinton’s league, he’d have been able to cut deals with the opposition. He hardly met with his own caucus, much less the opposition. Steven Sailer noted that Obama liked to play golf, but he never played with professional peers. The man tends to avoid the company of accomplished people except when he feels he has to wheedle money out of them.
“Of the eight competitive candidates for president in 1992, he had the most atrocious character (and came with a ghastly wife to boot), yet he was the eventual winner.”
And how many people outside of Arkansas had heard of him or Hillary in September 1991 — the comparable point in the 1992 election cycle? There’s still plenty of time for a dark horse to come charging out of nowhere to save the Dem’s bacon, I suppose.
“I’m going to wager that moles in the court system sent that material over the transom and he was spiteful enough to use it.”
I doubt it, especially during his first race when he was little known.
“He didn’t ‘demolish the Clinton machine”. She actually had a slight advantage in popular votes by some counts and was only about 10% behind in pledged delegates. It was a preference cascade among the ‘superdelegates’ which put him over the top.”
Losing the race for the nomination against a largely unknown candidate is called being demolished Art.
“That he was ‘the first black’ wasn’t much of an achievement”
It had never been done before Art, and plenty of people, including me, thought there would be a hidden vote for McCain due to the race issue among independents. In 2012 he walloped Romney while getting fewer votes than he did in 2008. Getting fewer votes in a Presidential re-elect race is normally the kiss of death.
Outside of Michigan Elaine, any Democrat is guaranteed those states. I think you sketched out the ceiling for Newsome.
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I think you overestimate the extent to which he was ‘unknown’. I was living in Upstate New York at the time. The few people I knew who cut checks to the Democratic Party or carry petitions were behind him. He made megabucks off his books in 2004, though for all I know that was money laundering. Only partisan Democrats buy books like that.
You and Mrs. Krewer know Illinois politics, I don’t. I do know he had a patron in the legislature who put him on a key committee. It’s not a stretch to imagine that a court system employee on the patronage of some alderman could be tapped to deliver the goods or might just do so freelance if he liked the candidate. The question would be the degree to which the source could be traced. I recall in 2004 that the campaign of a congressional candidate in New York’s Southern Tier got hold of confidential paperwork on her Republican opponent’s divorce. I seem to recall that the archival source of the paperwork was identified but not the perpetrating clerk.
He had the usual tailwinds (the media), who get more partisan every year. McCain had some headwinds. (1) the usual voter fatigue when a political party seeks a 3d turn at the wheel; (2) the damage to the Republican brand from the mess in Iraq (2004-07); (3) economic anxiety; (4) ten major financial firms being revealed during the campaign to be insolvent and the attendant panic; (5) McCain hiring grifters to run his campaign. I think McCain would have lost to just about anyone, so I do not see race as a factor.
Romney wasn’t badly defeated. However, given Obama’s approval ratings in November 2011 and given how little bruised he was by the Republican primaries, one might have expected him to win. We discovered afterward that there was some sort of sabotage done to the campaign’s election day communications system, and that likely cost him some ballots among marginal voters. It’s also a reasonable wager there was a certain amount of absentee ballot fraud. We also know that the IRS was harassing the opposition. . What’s curious to me about 2012 is why more vigorous Republicans declined to run.
Obama was certainly not “unknown” in 2008, by virtue of his 2004 DNC convention speech he was being touted as president-abile for most of the previous 4 years. He had also officially announced his candidacy in February of 2007, a full 21 months out from the general election.
However, IIRC, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton pretty much came out of nowhere and were NOT household names at this point in their respective electoral cycles (13-14 months out from the general election). Carter was “Jimmy Who?” through ’75 and early ’76. Bill Clinton also seemed to have come out of left field, particularly against the elder Bush who had just come off what appeared to be a spectacular victory in the Persian Gulf and then blown it with his infamous “read my lips” pledge. I cannot help but suspect that the eventual Democrat candidate will have come seemingly out of nowhere like they did.