Vigano went crazy and he probably earmed his excommunication. PopeWatch awaits with eager anticipation the excommunication of McCarrick or any other member of the Lavender Mafia. Doubtless it will occur on the seventh of Never.
PopeWatch: Vigano
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“PopeWatch awaits with eager anticipation the excommunication of McCarrick or any other member of the Lavender Mafia.“
And “that” is why Vigano went crazy.
Would I follow Jorge the Heretic or Vigano the Crazy Man.
You know the answer.
I’m not ready to call Vigano crazy just yet. I suggest everyone read the full statement he issued after the Regime announced its intention to excommunicate him. He makes arguments that do not seem that wild to me, if in fact there were irregularities in either Benedict’s resignation or the Conclave of 2013, or both, OR if in fact Francis is guilty of formal heresy. We are in no position to judge those claims, which will have to be decided by a future pope or council, I believe. As for myself, I accept Bergoglio as Pope because, as a simple layman, I have no real choice. But that doesn’t necessarily exclude the possibility that, due to facts we cannot possibly know, Vigano is right, in whole or in substantial part. In this situation, the real question may be: Have the pope and hierarchy themselves created a de facto schism between themselves and the true Faith as handed down from the Apostles? Again, I do not claim to have the answer, but that cuts both ways. Unfortunately, I will probably not live to see the final outcome in this life, so it’s all just a fascinating discussion.
Stay faithful to the Lord and His Church, no matter who occupies the seat of power. Stay confessed and pray for the Pope and all his team. And pray just as hard for Vigano and all who share his views. God will sort it out.
One footnote: I do believe Vigano was sorely mistaken to go down the road of arguing US political issues in the past. It hurt his credibility, which was unfortunate. But that is not the basis of his current arguments, FWIW.
Being gaslit is crazymaking. But calling right wrong won’t change a thing.
Is there anything that Jorge Bergolio can do or say that would indicate that the Church he heads is not the Catholic Church? Are we compelled as Catholics to accept the teachings of this man?
Is there anything that Jorge Bergolio can do or say that would indicate that the Church he heads is not the Catholic Church?
No. He is the Pope of the Catholic Church and he is a bad pope. The Church has had bad popes in the past and will doubtless have them again. For a Church that had Judas as an Apostle, and a first pope who denied Christ, this should come as no surprise.
Can he really ex-communicate Vigano for refusing to recognise him as Pope…? I mean he can remove him from the priesthood as his “boss”, but to kick him out of the Church? That’s like Putin-style power. I mean is the Pope going to ex-communicate everyone that has been criticising him.
I was recently shocked to read that when the late George Pell family received his body back in Australia after his death and funeral, it was reported by his brother, David Pell, to the respected Conservative Australian journalist Andrew Bolt – that George Pells body was treated with gross disrespect. David reported that Cardinals nose was broken, he had no shoes on, clothes had been thrown into the coffin with no care and other details the brother didn’t want to specify. Andrew Bolt is not even a Catholic, but an agnostic.
This is how PF treats his adversaries.
https://cathnews.com/2024/07/05/claims-vatican-treated-cardinal-pells-body-with-gross-disrespect/
The Church doesn’t excommunicate crazy people. See Canons 1323, 6° and 1324 § 1, 2°. Also, the decision signed by Tucho and Kennedy explicitly found him to be of sound mind. Additionally, Vigano’s defense of himself against the charge of schism is solid. “[T]hose cannot be regarded as schismatics who refuse to obey a Roman Pontiff because they are suspicious of his person or because of unfavorable reports [rumores] spread abroad that [he] was doubtfully elected, as happened after the election of Urban VI…” Wernz-Vidal, Ius Canonicum, 1937. And the Vatican II stuff that the decision cited as a basis for schism is just silly. It’s throwing everything they possibly can against the wall and hoping that it sticks.
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Was there a trial? Seems to me an Archbishop ought to be given the opportunity to defend himself. Of course Vigano has been in hiding Since the early Trump sidency
He failed to appear in Rome in response to the summons to appear.
Of course he did not appear in person. He’s fearful for his life. Originally when hewent under cover there were onlly about 6 people he trusted t0 relase his messages.
It was unwise for Vigano to say that PF isn’t the real pope. Sometimes I think PF would love American Catholics to iniate a schism. But could the Vatican afford the loss of our money.
Heard John Zmirak on a podcast by Eric Metaxas that he believes PF is an atheist, and that is the only explanation that fits based on PF’s actions.
John is a bit of a hot head, but he has a point.
Could an atheist pope excommunicate anyone?
And why do I, a layman, have to deal with questions like this? (I suppose I don’t.) But where are the Bishops?
I don’t think PF is an atheist – the way he talks about Our Lady shows there is belief. I think that’s a litmus test- if he were to say something shocking or sandals or incorrect about the Mother of God then it would indicate his lack of faith or even his unbelief in God.
I think his belief in God and his poor character can both exist at the same time.
*scandalous (darn auto-correct)