Until 2016 the Left in this country was ever Pro-Russian:
The truth is that the Russians and the US have rarely had interests that coincide since the defeat of Nazi Germany. Putin has put Russia on a collision course with the US and that is being played out in his attempt to conquer the Ukraine. We have forestalled that. What happens long term will depend upon the Ukrainians and the longevity of Putin. Historically Americans have begun to experience war weariness three years into a conflict. That is exacerbated currently by the hard times being experienced by most Americans. If Ukraine is going to win this war outright, they need to do so quickly.
Ukraine can’t win the war. They never could.
If you want it over, they need to negotiate w Russia.
MrsOpey, the Fins were never going to win their war either, but they fought valiantly and lost more territory as a result. But they retained their nation and are not vassals of Russia. If the Ukrainians want to be something other than Russian vassals, they will need to fight for it.
We’re just sending cash and equipment. This is having little impact on American households. The ‘weariness’ if that’s what it is, would be found among politicians and the chattering classes.
The left is antagonistic to Putin because he nods to Russia’s Orthodox heritage and because he told their pets that they were subject to criminal penalties if they talked sex to minors. Some of the partisan dolts are also dead-end believers in the Russian collusion hoax as well.
Ukraine can’t win the war. They never could.
If you want it over, they need to negotiate w Russia.
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There is nothing over which to ‘negotiate’. Russia cannot coerce the Ukraine and Russia can offer the Ukraine nothing of substance beyond a cease fire and a withdrawal of their troops, two things Russia has shown no inclination to offer.
The Left never liked the real Russia just as they never liked the real Sweden. They gushed over a fantasy socialist world were everything was free, their philosophy (as they thought) in charge and their enemies dead or out of power. They turned on Sweden after the SDP fell apart in the late 80s and after the Swedish schools adopted vouchers in the 90s (and did you hear about that in the American press?) If our Alices can no longer see their Wonderland in one mirror, they skip away to another.
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If Ukraine is going to win this war outright, they need to do so quickly.
Especially if they don’t want the casualties to reach the half a million mark by years end. As of April 2023, they have been recorded at 350k. There’s a good enough reason to end it.
I have no doubt Putin will keep going, and Zelensky will turn up to yet another celebrity-hosted event in his designer khaki sweatshirt and trousers and new balance sneakers asking the leaders of the world for more money.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-war-already-with-up-354000-casualties-likely-drag-us-documents-2023-04-12/
I think it’s important to remember that in the last four wars between ‘Great Powers’ and small countries —- Vietnam, Afghanistan 1 and 2, and Iraq — the Great Power LOST. Ukrainians don’t want to be part of Russia and Russia’s behavior in the territory it occupies has only alienated even the Russian speakers in Ukraine. The fact that Russia has completely abrogated its responsibility to protect Ardakh (the Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan) reinforces the understanding that Russia’s promises are worthless.
All reasonable people want Russia to be part of the civilized international order, but until they have better leadership that can’t happen.
think it’s important to remember that in the last four wars between ‘Great Powers’ and small countries —- Vietnam, Afghanistan 1 and 2, and Iraq — the Great Power LOST.
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Actually, the great power in Afghanistan cut and run because they couldn’t be bothered. It wasn’t much of a drain financially or in any other way. I’m fascinated to know to whom you fancy we ‘lost’ in Iraq.
In all four cases, the great power cut and ran. My biggest complaint with this comment is that we’re just not counting the quick wins: Crimea, Kuwait, Panama, Chechnya, Grenada, and probably a few I’m forgetting. But it’s true that the longer it took the more dissatisfied the population became.
in all four cases, the great power cut and ran.
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No, we had an orderly withdrawal from Iraq at the end of 2011. The government there managed to contain the violence for a year and a half, then there was a catastrophe. However, the government lost ground. It did not evaporate. The violence hit its peak in 2014, then began gradually to recede. In 2017, there was a brief surge of occidental forces which assisted in breaking the back if ISIS. Over the succeeding four years, there was a 96% decline in the rate at which civilians were dying in political violence in Iraq. It’s an unhappy place, but the level of violence is more Ulster (1977-99) or Israel and adjacent (1988-2004) than what it was before.
Both of you seem to think Iraq is under control of some enemy government. It is not.
If Ukraine is going to win this war outright, they need to do so quickly.
True, but that’s not the point of the excercise. Remember SBF/FTX and the multi-million Democrat donor grift from Ukrainian sources. There’s nothing to say it’s not still going on at some level, which is why The Smelly Joe Foundation keeps piping billions down that toilet drain.
Rootin for Putin!