Putting a man’s soul in jeopardy to preserve a crime scene where it was obvious who had committed a murder. Cops used to have sense. Today, too often, all they have is nonsense, and a robotic, unthinking following of rules.
Damn Them
- Donald R. McClarey
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 43 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
I fear they were “thinking”.
British… Police have been trained think of:
– Islam as a religion of peace, and it was the assailant that was “radicalized”.
-Catholic Faith, Sacraments, as shown during COVID are not “essential”.
He was Catholic, of course they’re going to say no. The amount of incredibly stupid and hypocritical, but reflexive, anti-Catholicism over there is just sad.
It’s not right they denied the Priest access to give him the Last Rites, but God is good and knew the intention of the Priest. And by all accounts Sir David Amess was a thoroughly decent man, well loved and respected. He was anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage; a rare politician. So it’s a big loss for the UK. Prayers for his Eternal soul.
The murderer, a Somali muslim, is a UK citizen. Shock.
They. Just. Don’t. Learn.
Not too far off topic;
At the very beginning of Covid hysteria a nursing home stopped a priest from entering in the home to give last rites. It took a determined caregiver and the residents POA to threaten to remove the actively dieing woman out of the home just so she could receive the sacraments.
The management has the nerve to allow an undertaker in to remove a corpse, but won’t allow a Catholic priest in to give the rites.
Anti Catholicism isn’t just over the pond. Unfortunately.
btw……the threat worked.
Fr. Nursey was able to do what she had the right to receive, nine hours before her death. Praise God.
I see. Now, the hajjis are anti-Catholic, pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.
That almost happened to GOP Rep. Scalise (Is he Catholic?). It was quickly erased from History. And, the mostly peaceful/all part of the process happening of 6 January was worse than 9/11.
Thank God. There are enough bullets. The lying scum have not YET crossed the line.
T. Shaw-
Yes, Scalise is Catholic, and from a quick look-around appears to be observant though not noisily so. Kind of impressive that the only place I found his religion mentioned was one of those Celebrity sites, since he keeps sponsoring pro-life legislation and you’d expect someone to use the, ah, disagreement on how to handle the Border with the Bishop’s Association to attack him.
Anti Catholicism isn’t just over the pond. Unfortunately.
Yeah, they’re just a lot quieter about it than the idiots over here– more of a pattern that it took a while for me to notice, when they do something that is pointless and nasty it’s usually either Class or Catholicism involved.
Was like 15 stories into the murder before one of the summaries of the guy mentioned that he had been “raised Catholic” in the kind of foot-note you’d put that someone was raised a cannibal….
Foxfire, given that cannibalism was one of the Roman canards against the early Christians, you’re not far off them mark.
You are extremely charitable but naive to think that the police’s inexcusable action was due to them being robotic and unthinking. They were thinking very clearly. The official policy now us that Christianity and especially Catholicism is at best a trivial hobby that can be dispensed with in the slightest excuse; and at worst positively dangerous. They think that nobody could possibly NEED a Catholic priest to do anything for him; a priest’s job is at best to say nice things to make people feel good, which they can’t do for anyone who’s dead or unconscious.
I am at least appreciative that the news is finally getting out to the Catholic world regarding Sir David Amess.
When this despicable murder of Sir David Amess by a 25-year-old Muslim immigrant happened last week (that fact mostly obscured in the media accounts), a long-time correspondent of mine who lives in Kent notified me, quite distraught. He mentioned how Sir Amess, the father of five, was often known to attend Sunday and even often daily Mass at the Catholic Church in Leigh-On-Sea, despite his many duties for decades as MP, and he it was who was instrumental in arranging for P. Benedict to address Parliament in 2010. As is well known now, he was a dedicated pro-life politician for decades, successful in many legislative acts, proving Catholics can put their faith practice into political action (Uh, contrast with our many do-nothing “Catholic” fop pols here) and quite respected. For these and many related reasons, he was quite sinisterly targeted by another “deranged” young Muslim, a continuing media narrative (Quran 47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, you must smite them in the neck and subdue them,..”). This was definitely up close and personal, and as with the attacks on many other Catholics, especially priests, around the world, a continuing ignored offensive, that these are programmed attacks. Another sinister speculation is that it also seems pro-Muslim political leaders and imams are becoming aligned with pro-aborts as part of their mutual strategy to further depopulate Christians in Western countries. To me there is little doubt Sir David Amess was targeted and martyred as a result.
This strategy, if so, will not succeed: Instead of the shock intended to dismay their opponents, this shock is likely to awaken them. God rest a fine man’s soul, Sir David Amess.
“God rest a fine man’s soul, Sir David Amess.”
Amen to this Steve.
Your friends revelation to you about the agenda behind Sir David’s murder is not surprising.
Islam, wherever it has gone and whatever it has touched, has brought nothing but destruction. Joining forces with the evil left just amplifies this fact. It wants to reduce the numbers of western births so that they can have as many children as is humanly possible so that the Muslim population can multiply in numbers. This has never been a secret. Islam has no shame in joining forces with pro-gay marriage advocates, a religion which is supposed to abhor homosexuality, in order to advance their aim of redefining marriage in order to legalise polygamy in Western nations. It serves nothing but to destroy the goodness and truth in whatever society it resides in. In the UK it has destroyed a man who worked for the protection of the unborn and for Gods truth in government – Sir David Amess. What a loss he will be. But with God there is always hope.
Never underestimate British anti-Catholicism. It’s a reflex over there.
Anglicanism might be coughing its last over there, but it left an indelible loathing of popery in the culture. No matter how well-concealed and genteel it may be.
Over the weekend, I read in the “Daily Mail” (UK) that nearby mosques had an evening vigil for Sir David Amess.
His murderer lived on the same street as the Amess family; it’s a popular neighborhood for politicians and well-known names.
Steve and Ezabelle, would you please supply any evidence for your theory that Moslems have joined forces with or actively co-operate with pro-abortionists and pro-“gay marriage” activists.
Dale, yes it’s telling that even the successful and popular prime Minister Tony Blair, was afraid to publicly convert to Catholicism until after he left office (and then within weeks began demanding that the Church alter its doctrines to agree with Anglicanism on contraception etc.!). And the current PM, despite having married his Catholic wife in a Catholic ceremony and having their child baptized Catholic, goes to extraordinary lengths to avoid answering questions as to whether he has reverted to the Catholicism of his boyhood.
Sure Peter K. I’ll give you an example close to home- when the referendum to legalise gay marriage occurred in Australia in 2017, the Muslim community voted FOR the legalisation of gay marriage. Why would they do this if it’s “haram” in their religion? It’s because they want the definition of marriage to change from something between one man and one woman to one man and two Women.
Being a Christian of Lebanese heritage I can safely say I know how Muslims operate because I hear stories in my own community. They are not-so-well hidden secrets.
They sometimes marry their second wife in their nation of Arab heritage and support her from their western nation of residence.
Sometimes they’ll use both of them living with him in the western nation. One wife is legally on the books, and the other their live in friend. Sometimes the man will even marry the first wife’s sister. Sometimes they claim they are divorced so the divorcee gets a single mother pension from the government. Or the man claims he can’t work because he is “injured” and the whole family- man, two wives and 10 children are on public welfare.
Legalising gay marriage is only the start of eventually including other definitions of marriage.
The aim of Islam is to multiply and make all nations Muslim. I would think most people would have realised this by now.
Ezabelle: “The aim of Islam is to multiply and make all nations Muslim. I would think most people would have realised this by now.”
Yes, one would think so, if one were rational. But leftists are not rational, they are obsessed with destroying those they consider to be enemies, and they subscribe to the notion that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Thus, since Islamists hate Christianity and seek to subjugate it, they are viewed as allies by the left. They do not understand that they will be the first ones beheaded after the jihad is completed.
Ezabelle, ok, but with respect, what you say is just a personal anecdotes. Do you have reference to any hard evidence? I seem to recall that the postcodes with the highest proportion of Moslems correlated pretty closely with the postcodes with the highest no vote against so called single sex marriage. Correlation doesnt prove causation, but it certainly suggests it in this case.
The objection that given examples are “only personal anecdotes” would only work if she had claimed an absolute. It also falls flat when someone is describing well known abuses of the system that have been publicly discussed for at least a decade.
Additionally, your demanded form of evidence shifted when she provided what you asked.
Thanks Foxfier.
There is no hard data on muslims in polygamous relationships because they aren’t going to volunteer this information or the welfare payments stop. Refer to the article.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/anger-over-welfare-payments-for-wives-in-polygamous-marriages
Christian families on the whole don’t abuse the system for a free meal and if we can agree that families are the backbone of society (one man, one woman and children), then we can agree that polygamous arrangements go against this idea and are not good within our society. One man cannot support two wives and their children.
The electorates who voted an overwhelmingly no were recorded in the western part of Sydney which has large Muslim population. It also has a large Chinese population who are staunchly against same-sex marriage and a large Ethnic Christian population (mainly Lebanese, but also from Pacific Island, Phillipines, Korea who are all predominantly Christian). There is no way of knowing exactly how an individual voted. However there was still 30% in these electorates, notably Watson and Blaxland who voted yes. I guarantee you it wasn’t the Christian population from those ethnic communities. I double guarantee you.
“Islam has no shame in joining forces with pro-gay marriage advocates”; “it also seems pro-Muslim political leaders and imams are becoming aligned with pro-aborts as part of their mutual strategy to further depopulate Christians in Western countries. To me there is little doubt Sir David Amess was targeted and martyred as a result.”; “I double guarantee you.”
These are very strong statements, absolute or pretty close to it. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to ask for some kind of evidence. I’m not asking for proof, just SOMETHING beyond “trust me, I know” (which CH is not evidence). e.g. a statement by a leading (or any) Moslem supporting SSM or at least expressing some sympathy with the idea. You’ll have to do better than going down the rabbit hole if a conspiracy theory that Moslems in their voting behaviour do the exact opposite of what they publicly strongly profess (how? By secret instructions given at every mosque which somehow never leak out beyond those who are in on the conspiracy?)
Those electorates also have large Anglo Saxon and Celtic populations along with many others. I didn’t move the goalposts and I certainly didn’t say anything to support the evil practice of polygamy (either concurrent as in Islam or sequential as in the modern west.)
“Those electorates also have large Anglo Saxon and Celtic populations along with many others.” Ha! Ok Peter K. If you say so.
You can go off and look for the evidence yourself. And when you find it let me know. You’re kind of a time waster. I see this going round in circles.
The ethnic data is reported in the Census. It’s not my say-so.
It’s you that’s wasting my time rather than vice versa. I asked a rather obvious question, assuming you must have some evidence to base your extremely strong and assertion on, which is contrary to all publicly available information. I see you don’t have any. Ok, in future I won’t make that assumption about things that you say. Sorry to have bothered you.
Ok give me evidence. There is no Anglo-Saxon or “other” in those areas to have accounted for 30% yes vote. Driving through those communities I can count them on my hand. The Indian population is by-and-large traditional and newly immigrated.
Yes. I have no problem with personal observation and
Knowledge as evidence. But, personal observation is not evidence to you.
If you can find the “data” you are after to refute “extremely strong and assertion on” Muslim complicity in demoralisation of our western society, then by all means go look for it. I genuinely wish you all the best with that.
Sorry Ezabelle but the more you try to defend your assertion, the more ludicrous your claims become. In fact the statistics show that a high proportion of Moslems is strongly correlated with a no vote. More so than Christianity or any other religion. See eg https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/2017/nov/17/same-sex-marriage-survey-religion-drove-the-no-vote
in the electorate with the highest no vote, Blaxland, 44% were born in Australia and “English” plus “Australian” ancestries easily outnumber any other ancestry. https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/CED105
Good try.
Firstly, It was a referendum. It was anonymous. You weren’t asked to give your details on the form. Just a vote for or against.
Secondly, that Census you posted shows Islam makes up close to 30% of Blaxland. Blaxland had a 70% no vote. You do the math.
This was the survey form sent indiscriminately to every household across the country. A yes. Or no. No room to provide personal details or religious affiliation.
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/0/c27309cc4411cd89ca2582240010660a/$FILE/AMLPS_survey_form.pdf
I call rubbish on that Guardian article. There is no way they could have concluded that the Muslim population drove the no vote. Only that the areas with large Muslim populations had the highest no vote. Which was the narrative by the left after the postal survey. And that’s clearly demonstrated in your Guardian article which quoted an ABC Political scientist (we prefer to affectionately call it GayBC) as the so-called “expert” on the breakdown on how religions “officially” voted. On an anonymous postal survey. Hmmm. Ok. Notice the headline photo- families standing outside St Mary’s Cathedral with defend traditional marriage signs. Not a Muslim in sight. Because there were no Muslims who took to the streets to defend traditional marriage. It was the Christian population who took to the streets and were vocal. The Muslims were silent in typical form.
I think you also believe the American Election results last year were above aboard. Because according to your line of argument there is no “proof” to the contrary. Only lots of people coming forward with personal anecdotes (you know- the ones you won’t accept), of how they saw with their own two eyes funny business going on in the counting centres.
LoL, ok then. Why don’t you do your own little survey that would be just a little more scientific than your “I know some people” etc. Stand outside your local mosque next Friday and ask 100 people coming out of it, what they think of single sex “marriage”. Let us know what you find out .