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Evil Pro-abort Arguments

From Seth Dillon at Not the Bee:

1.) Women have a right to bodily autonomy. There have always been limits to personal or bodily autonomy, but this is especially true for parents. Parents are morally and legally obligated to care for and protect their children. Consider the case of an infant. Newborn babies are exceptionally demanding on a woman’s body and psyche—much more so than preborn babies—requiring round-the-clock care and attention. A mother is obligated to use her body and her resources to care for her newborn child and keep it healthy and alive. If she neglects the child—or worse, intentionally kills it—she’ll be criminally charged. Her obligation to her child supersedes her personal autonomy, and that’s the way it should be. Why should it be any different with preborn children? To say that a woman has inviolable personal autonomy prior to birth, but not after, is to assume what needs to be proved—namely, that the preborn child is somehow less human, and thus less deserving of care and protection, than the already-born child.

2.) Abortion is healthcare. Nonsense. Abortion is healthcare the way rape is lovemaking. Words have meaning. You can’t magically transform evil into good by attaching nice words to it that have no application whatsoever.

3.) No uterus? No opinion. Which premise in this argument is falsified by the fact that I don’t have a uterus?

1: It is wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human.

2: Abortion intentionally kills an innocent human.

3: Therefore, abortion is wrong.

The “no uterus, no opinion” thing is fallacious and stupid. And even more so now that leftists have decided that trans women are women. They’re the ones who’ve rejected the idea that biology determines womanhood, so by their own standards they can no longer appeal to biology to try and discount men’s opinions.

4.) You don’t know when life begins. We actually do, but for the sake of argument, let’s say that we don’t. In that case, we should exercise extreme caution and err on the side of life to avoid any chance of killing an innocent, living human. An analogy might help. Imagine you’re driving home at night and see something that might be a body lying in the road. You’re not sure if it’s a person, and if it is, you have no idea if they’re alive. It could just be a garbage bag. But you know instinctively that the right thing to do is to swerve and avoid hitting it, just to be safe. You certainly don’t want to take the chance of killing someone. Apply this reasoning to the unborn fetus. If you aren’t sure when life begins, the right thing to do is err on the side of caution.

5.) Stop forcing your religion on others. Is it forcing religion on others to say it’s wrong to murder toddlers? If not, then why’s it forcing religion on others to say it’s wrong to kill children who are even younger and smaller? The above argument in (3) doesn’t cite the Bible to make its case.

6.) Don’t like abortion? Then don’t have one. It’s a category mistake to treat a morally significant action as if it were merely a matter of personal preference. It’s neither right nor wrong to prefer chocolate ice cream over vanilla. But the choice to kill another human is quite different. Imagine saying, “Don’t like child molestation? Then don’t molest a child.” This attitude—which treats molestation as permissible for others even if one does not personally approve of it—is relativistic moral madness.

7.) Abortion is legal. So was slavery. Did that make slavery a moral good worth defending?

Go here to read the rest.  Lincoln in his day noted the effect of pro-slavery arguments on morality in general:

And when, by all these means, you have succeeded in dehumanizing the negro; when you have put him down and made it impossible for him to be but as the beasts of the field; when you have extinguished his soul in this world and placed him where the ray of hope is blown out as in the darkness of the damned, are you quite sure that the demon you have roused will not turn and rend you? What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, our army and our navy. These are not our reliance against tyranny All of those may be turned against us without making us weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in us. Our defense is in the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands everywhere. Destroy this spirit and you have planted the seeds of despotism at your own doors. Familiarize yourselves with the chains of bondage and you prepare your own limbs to wear them. Accustomed to trample on the rights of others, you have lost the genius of your own independence and become the fit subjects of the first cunning tyrant who rises among you.

Popular evils are always surrounded by a Devil’s Catechism of sophistry to justify those evils, and such sophistry in the service of the worst impulses of our human nature always end up justifying other evils.  Good actions tend to cause other good actions, and evil actions also replicate their kind.  Abortion is a horror in and of itself, but the dehumanization it relies upon is not limited to children within the womb.

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T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 5:38am

[My] Two Retorts to baby murder apologists like Marx Che, et al. .

One, Abortion Is Murder.

Two, don’t tell me it’s not because it insults my intelligence and makes me very angry.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 5:48am

On #3, there’s another part– if you DO have a uterus, you’re only allowed one opinion. That it’s OK to kill babies.
Or you’re not really a woman.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 5:49am

(this came about in part because someone bothered to do a survey that wasn’t massively manipulated and discovered that most women are pro-life, unless you define “pro-abortion” to include all medical treatment that may save the mother’s life)

Bob Kurland
Admin
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 5:57am

Science is the God of the left, so why do they commit sins against that God by ignoring the science of embryology?

OrdinaryCatholic
OrdinaryCatholic
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 7:07am

Because they’ve succeeded in corrupting science into their image by rejecting certain aspects of it that doesn’t fit their beliefs.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 8:12am

Bob,

The left has been steadily changing “science” to mean “the consensus of experts.” It started with global warming and then started infecting the rest of the field. There was an article that used the fact that those critical of the vaccines were more likely to have actually dug into themselves as a condemnation of the “vaccine hesitant,” since it meant that they were less likely to see science as a matter settled by experts.

I fully expect within five years to see a statement from some medical group that in fact unborn children are neither human nor alive.

BPS
BPS
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 8:38am

The most evil argument I’ve heard is :
The unborn child is a parasite, even though the mother invited her in by having sexual relations, when she decides she doesn’t want to welcome her, she can make her leave by aborting her.
My best answer to that is, so if a woman invites a man to have sexual relations with her, and decides, perhaps in the middle of the event, to change her mind, if the man doesn’t exit quickly enough to suit her, the woman has a right to kill the man!

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 8:54am

Good answer BPS.
🤔
Just think of the decrease of adulterous relationships!
Promiscuity v. Life

Logic takes a back seat to the #1 method of emergency contraception in this poor, soulless progressive movement where the defenders of the perpetrator proudly wear pink hats.

Logic won’t work.
The 10 Suggestions are triumphant in that no body believes in Moses or COMMANDMENTS from God, so in there mind life is disposable…
….like a dirty rag.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 9:11am

[ there there now. ] “..their ..”
sorry…

DJR
DJR
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 12:23pm

If “No Uterus, No Opinion” were a valid assertion, Roe v. Wade would be invalid. Roe v. Wade is a) an Opinion, and b) it was given by people, 100% of whom did not have a uterus.

Paul
Paul
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 1:46pm

I can almost envision the final judgement of these pro-abortionists. God passing judgment surrounded by the millions and millions of aborted souls all saying you were wrong! I do pray that these people change their ways before it’s too late.

Patricia
Patricia
Tuesday, September 7, AD 2021 6:40pm

I think there is a market that is un$poken (unspeakable) – why else would the .gov be so pro-active and vehemently supportive. They even forget to send a fleet of busses to evacuate their citizens in the face of predicted weather events, while their ‘climate change’ talk goes on. It is too hard to do more than issue talk and money.

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