Contemporary Iconoclasm and King George III

Guest post by Jay Anderson.

 

Every time this story makes the rounds of social media, (See above.) I can’t help but feel like the Christian in a debate with an atheist who just came across a bit of scripture that he’s SURE will shut down the Christian’s argument. As if the Christian is unaware of that bit of scripture and doesn’t have a ready answer for it. Or that the Christian hasn’t already heard the same tired, tenuous prooftexting 20 times before in debates with out-of-their-depth atheists.

In the case of the linked story, the confrontation goes something like this: “You say you’re against removing statues, but look at this. The patriots in New York City tore down a statue of King George III after hearing a reading of the Declaration of Independence! So you disagree with that? Of course it was ‘liberals’ back then who wanted to remove the statue and ‘conservatives’ who wanted to remain loyal to the King and leave it up; just like today it’s ‘liberals’ who want to remove statues of the ‘enemy’ and ‘conservatives’ who want to keep them.”

Are you done yet? I’ll save addressing the conflation of “liberals” and “conservatives” of today with “liberals” and “conservatives” in 1776 America for another time, and will instead address three points: First of all, I find it amusing that you just assume that I’m not already aware of this bit of history. In fact, I have visited on multiple occasions the Bowling Green in lower Manhattan, which is the site where this statue once stood. I’ve seen firsthand the 244-year-old damage to the wrought-iron fence surrounding Bowling Green Park where the royal crests were knocked off the tops of the posts. I’ve seen replicas of the statue (and even surviving pieces of it) at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia and the American Revolution Museum at Yorktown. Believe me, I know the story.

Second, I bet I know some things about the story you don’t know. Like, for example, the fact that the statue of George III hardly had any established history in that location — it had been placed there only 5 years before by some of the grateful citizens of NYC in celebration of the repeal of the Stamp Act. The point is that it’s not as if the statue had been in that location for close to a century or more — just a few years.

And, third, I bet I know something else you don’t know: General George Washington was not at all amused by this bit of iconoclasm in the newly minted United States and was, in fact, critical of the mob action that led to the statue’s destruction. In his orderly book on 10 July 1776, His Excellency expressed his disapproval of this sort of mob action and his hope that in the future the military would leave this kind of work “to the proper authorities“:

“Tho the General doubts not the persons, who pulled down and mutilated the Statue, in the Broadway, last night, were actuated by Zeal in the public cause; yet it has so much the appearance of riot and want of order, in the Army, that he disapproves the manner, and directs that in future these things shall be avoided by the Soldiery, and left to be executed by proper authority.”

So, yes, I’m fully aware of the “precedent”. I know that it is unlike the current iconoclasm in that there was no long history of the George III statue being in place, having been erected only 5 years prior. And I also know that, whatever decisions are to be made regarding statues should be left to the law — the “proper authorities” — and not the result of direct mob action.

 

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Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 6:58pm

The proper analogy, it seems to me” isn’t to revolutionary America, but to revolutionary France and the total destruction of the past in favor of Year Zero.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 7:07pm
Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 7:11pm

I guess I should note that I can’t find any other sources for the “destroy the pyramids things”, though the news site is not a satire site.

Could easily be something made up by a reporter or some random guy’s take turned into a news article, but in this world who knows anymore.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 7:40pm

A statue of Columbus was just pulled down by rioters in front of the Minnesota state capitol, and the authorities stood by and did nothing.

Well then, everybody who isn’t Dakota or Ojibwa can pack up and move their butts back across the Atlantic! Assuming that’s how they really feel.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 8:02pm

(And now having read the news report and seeing that it was the Dakata and Ojibwa who pulled down the statue, I guess that really is how they feel.)

Funny how grievance politics works. Is there ANY group who doesn’t either have a grudge or isn’t the object of another group’s grudge? Who is righteous and loved by all?

Chris C.
Chris C.
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 8:11pm

Expect soon a push to drop the D.C., as in District of Columbia, from our nation’s capital; Columbia being a variation of Columbus. For that matter except a push to rename our capital altogether, what with our founding father owning slaves as he did. In other words…this is just the beginning. That is if these Marxists are not firmly confronted and decisively defeated by an American public determined to preserve its liberty. I don’t see that determination happening save for the grace of God. It starts with a recognition of Christ the King as our rightful ruler and Lord. I pray we find the will to affirm it as so.

CAM
CAM
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 9:11pm

Removal of Gen Lee statue has been delayed by a judge because the deed has been discovered. The descendants of the couple who deeded the land for the statue in 1890 to Virginia are suing because the state is not honoring the provisions of the deed to which the VA Assembly agreed. There is also a second suit against removal.
Tourists from both sides of the Mason Dixon line who visit Civil War battlefields, towns, museums with artifacts, etc. bring in quite a bit of money to Virginia. Obliterating that part of the state’s history is like killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, June 10, AD 2020 9:35pm

The South was wrong. And that’s America’s tragedy. I wish Lee had loved the United States more than he loved Virginia, because then the war might, perhaps, have been ended quickly. But it disgusts me how a bunch of bigoted ignoramuses are turning Confederates into proto-Nazis.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Thursday, June 11, AD 2020 8:01am

The reliable good sense I expect from Jay: grounded in history and an absolute scourge of those who would “proof-text” the past.

Jay Anderson
Thursday, June 11, AD 2020 8:34am

Thanks for the kind words, Dale!

And thank you, Don, for inviting my contribution.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Thursday, June 11, AD 2020 9:16am

You are welcome, Jay.
I commend your efforts to be a voice of reason in Zuck’s Arkham Asylum, but I can’t abide it any more.

And speaking of unappeasable mobs, I would like to offer the following prediction:

http://dprice.blogspot.com/2020/06/i-would-like-to-offer-you-standing.html

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Thursday, June 11, AD 2020 4:23pm

So apparently one of the protesters died when a statue was pulled down.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/skull-showing-convulsing-ground-protester-critically-injured-far-left-mob-topples-confederate-statue-top/

Besides all the general philosophical reasons against it – we can also add “not OSHA compliant” to a reason not to do this.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Thursday, June 11, AD 2020 5:02pm

@Don – My daddy always told me a phrase passed down by his father: “If you’re gonna be dumb, you better be tough.”

(mom would then sometimes reply, “and you’re very tough, dear.”)

(but then dad would even admit he was stupid in his youth)

CAM
CAM
Thursday, June 11, AD 2020 9:43pm

A dangerous precedent has been set which emboldens the lawless: The vandalism of the Portsmouth VA Confederate monument was criminal activity yet the few police present did nothing. The mob became out of control and as a result one of the protestors was seriously injured. The State Police have been called in to investigate who issued the stand down order.
One other thing, many of these Confederate monuments are memorials to the war dead; inscribed with the names of soldiers killed in action; paid for by widows and veterans The majority of men under arms in the Confederate Army and Navy were not slave owners.

Theodore Harvey
Saturday, June 13, AD 2020 3:33pm

As a Loyalist, of course I would have condemned the destruction of the George III statue in 1776, as I condemn the current wave of mob rule iconoclasm. So our hypothetical interlocutor would at least have to admit that I’m consistent.

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