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Anger Trumps Reason

 

Hattip to commenter Greg Mockeridge.  Many politicians deceive people with false promises to win election.  With Trump, he tells his followers, if they would only listen, that he is feeding them a line of hooey that he has no intention of carrying out if elected.

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T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 6:56am

“. . . he is feeding them a line of hooey that he has no intention of carrying out if elected.” Which has been my complaint since this all began.
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Bomber Bill Ayres, Cruz, Hillary, Romney, Obama, Moron.org, Kasich, BlackLivesMatter, Sanders, Rubio, McCain, and the entire GOP establishment are united against Trump. The entrails tell me If the Obama economy is so great, e.g. low unemployment statistic, why are near-record numbers of Americans dependent on food stamps? About 45% of Americans don’t pay income taxes; 40% of working age population don’t work; and 10% only have part-time jobs. Rarely is anything these clowns write, say or think even remotely true; and their constant misrepresentation of the facts surrounding the economy is no exception.more about them than it does about Trump. I was a Cruz man.
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Working class Americans are hurting after seven years of hope and change. And, near-record numbers of Americans dependent on food stamps. About 45% of Americans don’t pay income tax; 40% of the working-age population doesn’t work; and another 10% can only find part-time jobs. Rarely is anything these people write, say or think even remotely close to the experiences of millions of Americans. Their constant misrepresentations of the facts surrounding the economy are no exceptions.
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They were expendable. Not so long ago, 61% of Americans were middle class. That has crashed to 49% of the US population, and in aggregate they gave up 30% of their wealth: Yes We Can!
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And, millions of throw-away Trump voters are irate idiots because they don’t understand that their best interests lie in more immigration and more harmful trade agreements (TPP).
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Philip
Philip
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 7:48am

BINGO!

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 8:33am

None of that matters because Trump validates their anger.

And GoldmanSachs!

Dale Price
Dale Price
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 9:47am

I’m not convinced Trump’s read his immigration plan. His easy reversal on H-1B visas suggests as much, and promises even more reversals in the future.

Patricia
Patricia
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 10:04am

– or reason has lead to anger as regards actions of government oath takers

George Haberberger
George Haberberger
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 1:54pm

Love Andrew Klavan. Great writer and pundit.

Donna Ann
Donna Ann
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 6:08pm

Do you think a snickers bar would help?
Schmucks voting for a schmuck. I hope they put on their thinking hats pretty soon.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, March 15, AD 2016 7:16pm

Have you considered the possibility that the schmucks did put their thinking hats on, and decided they didn’t have anything to lose?

Or that they don’t care that you do have something to lose?

Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 2:31am

Trump or Hillary. Take your pick.

Philip
Philip
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 6:56am

Is this the time for a third party?
A write in?

Neither is a vote for both. A flip of the coin.
We must not sit this one out.
Who can we get behind and support for an Hail Mary throw into the political end zone.

Tomorrow, Saint Patrick and Irish Luck, will be summoned by a group of conservatives that have similar convictions like Mr. McCleary and would never vote for Trump. This from Politico. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/top-conservatives-gather-to-plot-third-party-run-against-trump-220786

As these men meet tomorrow in D.C., I’ll be offering prayers that a candidate can be victorious come November. A third party candidate. Abraham Lincoln pray for us.

Donald G.Smock
Donald G.Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 7:04am

Just out of curiosity – have ANY of you bothered to read Trump’s book “America Is Broken” in which you can explore his ideas/plans in his own words, unfiltered by a very liberal, often hostile press ???

You may be surprised at some of the differences in what he REALLY proposes and the way his ideas have been reported and distorted by the media.

The way that I see it, he is the best bet to stop Chillary.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 10:44am

Please. Trump is a creation of the media. He thrives on being outrageous and all media coverage for him is cream whether it is negative or positive.

Sarah Hoyt on her blog has her theory that the media is playing softball with Trump because they think he’ll be the easiest to destroy in the general.
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Though I don’t know how conscious this might be (I’ve established my view on conspiracies) it could get interesting if true, and the press end up creating a monster they underestimated. Maybe all those old sci-fi movies with the mad scientist killed by his creation were onto something…

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 11:22am

RE : “..Please. Trump is a creation of the media…”(???? Really???)

Oh well DRM everybody has one, and I do NOT agree with you but….

BTW I could not help but note that you COMPLETELY sidestepped my main point (which was that Trump’s ideas are different in his book than they are when portrayed by a liberal, generally hostile media…) so here goes … direct question : have you bothered to READ Mr. Trump’s book – or are you just another pontificating American with a big OPINION even with nothing much to really base it on?

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 11:28am

PS my personal first choice would have been Santorum BUT he could never actually WIN !

I decided long ago that my primary goal was/is to STOP CHILLARY : as the unquestionably popular long time front running candidate, (IMHO) Donald Trump has the best chance at beating Chillary.

I also believe that if the GOP does not quit their shenanigans and get behind this ,their absolutely most popular candidate IN DECADES, they will essentially be giving the election to Hillary Clinton and self-destructing at the same time.

Dante alighieri
Reply to  Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 12:26pm

I decided long ago that my primary goal was/is to STOP CHILLARY : as the unquestionably popular long time front running candidate, (IMHO) Donald Trump has the best chance at beating Chillary.

If defeating Hillary is your number one goal, then backing the one candidate who trails her in every solitary poll and could possibly be the only one who would also bring Republicans defeat in both the Senate and House is a peculiar choice.

their absolutely most popular candidate IN DECADES

By any metric he is the LEAST popular candidate in decades. Every single Republican nominee after the Ford-Reagan contest had sewn up the nomination by this point, or had reached the point where every challenger had dropped out. Not only is Trump still losing states, and will likely lose many more, his approval/disapproval ratings are off the charts in the wrong direction.

Philip
Philip
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 12:47pm

Lol…fount of ignorance…
Gotta love it.

In looking for “America is broken,” I found “Crippled America. How to make America great again.”

For $18.95 you get the book, decoder ring, the ground round, the vino and an honorary degree from Trump University. Kick Ass, the movie, is included when you rush your order by calling in the next 5 minutes. Operators are standing by.

Dante alighieri
Admin
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 12:51pm

By the way, here is an article that runs through the numbers to show how Trump is the weakest front-runner in my lifetime.
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/03/16/donald-trump-weakest-frontrunner-republican-history/

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 3:05pm

Without having read the article, it seems to me, in fairness to Trump, that he’s running in front of the strongest field in our lifetime too. So his weakness may be relative. Or not.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 3:13pm

That said, I for one can’t help but feel like we’ve gone from starting this primary season with an embarrassment of riches, only to wind up ending with just the embarrassment.

Micha Elyi
Micha Elyi
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 3:30pm

Better the Devil you know, said the Gods of the Copybook Headings.

Something to think about should the candidates two incumbent parties offer us this fall turn out to be HRC and Trump.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 4:22pm

In that case I have to vote for Hillary Clinton. I know what she’s going to do to screw up the country.

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 5:23pm

@Donald R. McLarey – RE : “…No, I have not read Trump’s book…” [hmmmm somehow that is pretty much what I expected that you might say.]

In other words, kind of like I suggested in the first post, -you seem to be just another pontificating American with a big OPINION even with nothing much to really base it on, outside of news reporting by an often hostile and usually “liberal” news media. Then, as if to prove it for me, you go on to quote from some of the liberal media such as I referenced who might misrepresent Trump & his words : to wit, you provide :

1). one link to The New York Daily News , a tabloid format rag owned by a certain Mortimer Zuckerman, whose interests also include real-estate deals [conflict of interests ??] AND political contributions to Democrat and Independent politicians. He is a long-time supporter of the Democrat party and claims to have had a hand in writing at least one of Obama’s speeches.

HARDLY an independent or disinterested, objective party ! and,

2). a reference to another disparaging piece concerning ONE of Trump’s books – (from 16 years ago ! ) from the notoriously liberal online site “Salon” [ Appropriately described – also online – wiki- “.. It focuses on U.S. politics and current affairs from a liberal perspective..”] Gee is it surprising then that they do not particularly like his book or his ideas?

Oh and by the way Mr.McLarey, just in case you have not even READ the articles which you are using as references, be aware that THIS article is basically a screed by a former employee of Trump who helped to “ghost write” Trump’s first political book some 16 years ago (” “The America We Deserve”) – a book that Mr.Trump came out with in the year 2000. It is NOTHING to do with his current book !

and finally,

3). Another reference to another disparaging piece in which early on the author writes : “..I never met Donald Trump. His subordinate, who ran the company, was the one who hired me…” This article is primarily about the author’s job complaints, and has NOTHING to do with Mr. Trump’s book !

It is from the online news website “Vox” – founded by Ezra Klein,a “blogger” who had worked at The Washington Post (“Pravda on the Potomac”), had been associate editor for “The American Prospect” – [ Described thus online – again wiki – “…a quarterly American political magazine dedicated to American liberalism. Based in Washington, D.C., The American Prospect says it aims “to advance liberal and progressive goals through reporting, analysis, and debate about today’s realities and tomorrow’s possibilities.”…”], as well as a contributor to such organizations as Bloomberg News and MSNBC [ “…Commentators have described MSNBC as having a bias towards left-leaning politics and the Democratic Party…” ] MSNBC has been accused of “left-leaning” by entities as disparate as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Politico ; now when both the Times and the Post call a news company “left-leaning”, does that mean “almost Marxist”???

No Mr. McLarey – sorry but I must conclude that since your own references are FROM the very same liberal, biased & hostile-towards-Trump press that I spoke of….and since you have NOT read his book – in other words his own ideas in his OWN words – and NOT sound bites and NOT filtered through the hostile and generally liberally biased media – I must conclude then that you are indeed – [at least on this particular subject] just another uninformed American with a big OPINION but really has not taken the time to bother to do the proper research that would JUSTIFY a perhaps more VALID opinion.

Besides – as I also made very clear – he would NOT have been MY FIRST CHOICE (that would have been Santorum, but he would never beat Chillary and he would simply put just never win. Sorry ! )

BUT Trump is the best bet to stop Hillary. In my opinion.

@P Zummo

RE : “…If defeating Hillary is your number one goal, then backing the one candidate who trails her in every solitary poll and could possibly be the only one who would also bring Republicans defeat in both the Senate and House is a peculiar choice….”

OK YOU can form your opinion by whatever the polls say if you would like to, but MY thoughts and viewpoints are NOT arrived at by some polling nonsense, by consensus of some (probably liberal-leaning) pollsters. The fact of the matter is that Trump has been CONSISTENTLY FOR MONTHS been drawing HUGE crowds and HUGE support from the people ! [ I admit that I am at a slight disadvantage in that I do NOT watch T.V. at ALL – haven’t in about 7 years- BUT I have seen many news reports about his continuing popularity.] Polls shmolls ! I research things to arrive at a (hopefully) informed opinion that I can live with. My research does NOT concern itself a great deal with “polls” !

Thanks for the link to the article decrying Trump’s popularity. I have not had the time to fact-check it and all that business, BUT so what? This guy does not like Trump. Who cares? I still maintain that :

1) he is the best chance to STOP HILLARY

2) if the Republicans do not get behind this guy they are going to not only self-destruct BUT are going to make a gift of the presidency to Chillary ! (BTW if you want me to, I’m sure that I could supply links to many articles which attest to Trump’s HUGE popularity too ! ]

@Philip you’re absolutely correct that I blew it on the title and it IS in fact “CRIPPLED AMERICA : How to Make America Great Again”. But apart from that admission, frankly the “satire’ in your post is absolutely lost on me ( and meaningless).

LOL to me its as if it came from “the fount of ignorance” Einstein.

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 5:59pm

Everybody has an OPINION Mr. McLarey.

I just don’t always share the same ones as you do… but don’t be angry. It’s really nothing personal at all.

The fact is that I disagree with your curt dismissal of DONALD TRUMP’S book and I do not estimate that your opinion is really all that valid since admittedly it is largely gleaned from press coverage [ from “what Trump has actually said…” – oh I get it – you mean those EDITED SOUNDBITES BY THE LIBERAL MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT ! ! ! ]

AND you have not even bothered to read HIS book !

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 6:04pm

RE : “… Right now he is gulling foolish conservatives to support him even though his history indicates where his political loyalties lie…” (Really?? “foolish conservatives..”??? oh great and powerful thinker – just exactly WHO do you propose to vote for then….HILLARY??

I have stated over and over that MY PRIMARY GOAL IS TO STOP HILLARY – DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YET MR.McLAREY??)

blah blah blah

STOP HILLARY ! ! !

TRUMP IS THE BEST SHOT TO DO THAT (IMHO)

Philip
Philip
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 6:08pm

Donald Smock.

Sorry you were “lost on the satire.”

Here’s a clue.
Press conference following a recent primary..?
Pitch the products….?
Look at my catalogue…?

Trump is con man.
A confidence man.
Enjoy your choice Donald.
Buy the package deal. Don’t choke on the steaks.

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 6:13pm

blah blah blah

Donald Smock
Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 6:17pm

The Breastplate of Saint Patrick

I arise today through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity, through belief in the Threeness, through confession of the Oneness of the Creator of creation.

I arise today through the strength of Christ with His Baptism,
through the strength of His Crucifixion with His Burial,
through the strength of His Resurrection with His Ascension,
through the strength of His descent for the Judgment of Doom.

I arise today through the strength of the love of Cherubim
in obedience of Angels, in the service of the Archangels,
in hope of resurrection to meet with reward,
in prayers of Patriarchs, in predictions of Prophets,
in preachings of Apostles, in faiths of Confessors,
in innocence of Holy Virgins, in deeds of righteous men.

I arise today, through the strength of Heaven:
light of Sun, brilliance of Moon, splendour of Fire,
speed of Lightning, swiftness of Wind, depth of Sea,
stability of Earth, firmness of Rock.

I arise today, through God’s strength to pilot me:
God’s might to uphold me, God’s wisdom to guide me,
God’s eye to look before me, God’s ear to hear me,
God’s word to speak for me, God’s hand to guard me,
God’s way to lie before me, God’s shield to protect me,
God’s host to secure me:
against snares of devils, against temptations of vices,
against inclinations of nature, against everyone who
shall wish me ill, afar and anear, alone and in a crowd.

I summon today all these powers between me (and these evils):
against every cruel and merciless power that may oppose my body and my soul, against incantations of false prophets,
against black laws of heathenry,
against false laws of heretics, against craft of idolatry,
against spells of witches and smiths and wizards,
against every knowledge that endangers man’s body and soul.
Christ to protect me today
against poison, against burning,
against drowning, against wounding,
so that there may come abundance of reward.

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ in me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ in breadth, Christ in length, Christ in height,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.

I arise today through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity, through belief in the Threeness, through confession of the Oneness of the Creator of creation.
Salvation is of the Lord. Salvation is of the Lord. Salvation is of Christ. May Thy Salvation, O Lord, be ever with us.

Dante alighieri
Reply to  Donald Smock
Wednesday, March 16, AD 2016 6:47pm

blah blah blah

Such a weighty response, Mr. Smock. But since you can’t be bothered to address anything said to you with anything other than scorn, we won’t trouble you with the burden of future replies.

Donna Ann
Donna Ann
Thursday, March 17, AD 2016 4:21pm

to Ernst Schreiber: And that’s what makes them schmucks.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Friday, March 18, AD 2016 12:15am

I would venture to guess the schmucks return your disdain.
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Which is unfortunate for you, since they appear to comprise a larger share of the electorate than does whatever you define as not-schmucks.
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Unfortunate for me to, but I at least have the consolation of knowing it isn’t personal.

Donald Link
Donald Link
Saturday, March 19, AD 2016 9:46am

In 1980 voters had enough common sense to recognize what the problems were and chose someone capable of addressing them. In 2016 voters have become so susceptible to emotional, rather than fact based appeals, that they think with their cravings rather than their heads. When it turns out that none of the current candidates can give them all they desire, there will be hell to pay. The country and the people have gone so far down the road to perdition, there is little hope of a turn to moral values. While Mr. Smock is properly decrying the conditions today, he might be well informed as to history and causes to get a better perspective as to why we are where we are now.

Peashooter
Peashooter
Saturday, March 19, AD 2016 9:51am

Christianity is a Monarchy. God has no political association with democracy. God is King and absolute master of all. You may have an opinion because God is merciful, but you have no choice if you call yourself Christian and hope in your heart to be with God for eternity. I wish there were no political flags in Church. To have a national political flag in Church is to deny God’s supreme Kingdom over all the earth and all that exists. I pray for God to forgive us in our simple and childish political zeal. Only our zeal for God has valid worth.

Philip
Philip
Saturday, March 19, AD 2016 10:21am

@Donald Link

If we would only have a Republican candidate running for office like we had then. Pipe dreams only on this cycle I’m afraid.

Sure seems that the temperature is increasing regarding our political climate change.
Keeping close to God is an oasis as things heat up.

As you mentioned. This is not an overnight dilemma. We’ve been on this road for sometime now.

Peashooter
Peashooter
Sunday, March 20, AD 2016 1:02pm

D McC..As I said; I am a Monarchist, God, and, only God, is my King. God has given us EVERYTHING we need because God is God. All things “political” clearly fell under my previous statement. I tolerate the secular state until judgment permanently destroys it, but I recognize only God the King. The secular state is all but irrelevant in my life. What time do you have to spare on such redundant worldly arguments? Especially when you do not know the time nor hour of your death? I rather spend this God created time worshiping God and serving the poor as God himself directed. I obey my King, not children playing with time as if it were theirs. I will pray for you.

Elaine Krewer
Admin
Monday, March 21, AD 2016 6:12am

Once again, people keep flocking to either of two extremes — either “politics is the ONLY thing that matters” or “politics doesn’t matter at all.” The secular state is not “irrelevant” and Christians do have a responsibility to do the best they can to affect political outcomes. However, that does not mean it’s “the end of the world” if they fail.

I am not as indifferent as Peashooter — I took the time to vote in the IL Republican primary for someone other than Trump (not gonna say who because I don’t want to sidetrack this thread) — and I do dread the prospect of either a Trump or Hillary presidency. I personally think these candidacies are manifestations of divine chastisement in the form of bad leadership (a topic I’ve discussed before). That said, we should remind ourselves frequently that the Church has survived and even thrived under far worse conditions than these.

Dante alighieri
Reply to  Peashooter
Monday, March 21, AD 2016 6:18am

I rather spend this God created time worshiping God and serving the poor as God himself directed.

Or I guess writing comments on a blog haranguing others for their interests.

.Anzlyne
.Anzlyne
Monday, March 21, AD 2016 10:32am

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/march-web-only/theology-of-donald-trump.html?start=1

This is from Christianity Today– “On the theology of Donald Trump” and his appeal to evangelicals

George Lough
George Lough
Monday, March 21, AD 2016 2:03pm

We cannot let Hilary appoint Supreme Court justices. A vote for her is a vote to extend abortion and gender bending to say nothing of direct attack on religious rights. Bottom line is Trump is relevant only if he gets the nomination. At that point he becomes critical.

A registered New Deal Democrat since 1960.

jf
jf
Monday, March 21, AD 2016 6:12pm

No one can solve the situation in our nation or in the world. Prayer and fasting is the solution Our Lady gave to us, all else will fail, words, waste of time because we live in an imperfect world and without the help of God and prayer we are all doomed to the same mistakes and problems mankind has faced since the beginning of time and government. There is nothing new under the sun, just the same sins, problems and sufferings. Now the problem is worst because there are more human beings in the world, hence a bigger problem.

Philip
Philip
Tuesday, March 22, AD 2016 3:29am

“Now the problems are worse because their are more human beings in the world, hence a bigger problem.” -jf

I disagree.

If the human beings in this world were people of prayer and fasting, I believe the problems wouldn’t be as bad as they are. It’s because people have decided to worship themselves and focus on their own glorification that things have become so dark in this world.
Abortion on demand, homosexuality as acceptable form of lifestyle and promiscuous behaviors that are NOT challenged by society are indicators that prayer and fasting have declined in recent decades. God loves us, but our free will choices can prevent graces that could help our world. How many babies have been killed that otherwise might have played important roles in solutions to many problems we face today?

Peashooter
Peashooter
Tuesday, March 22, AD 2016 5:56pm

Oh, I am so disappointed.
One would have thought there would be Catholics here to answer. All I read is bitter Sinicism, with an emphasis on sin. If voting is your passion, take from each candidate what is good as the Lord God would have said. Discard the rest. Make your measurements there, among the good.
I don’t believe cynicism is within Gods intended vocabulary for us. I am passionate about the greatest of kings, creator of all things seen and unseen. My desire is merely to obey my master forever, not quibble uncharitably over secular things such as some democratic processes boiling as a witch’s caldron of seething with animosity. Obeying is much easier and far less self centered. Christ Centered, that is the meaning of life! All else is an illusion designed to destroy us. I beg you, think of your King!

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