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Standing Alone Except for Christ

Hattip to commenter Phillip.  Well, I think we can now say that a pattern has been established in regard to how Catholics who have the temerity to preach Catholic doctrine on sex and marriage at ostensibly Catholic schools are going to be treated by the forces of tolerance and the cowards who run the schools.  Father Z gives us the details:

 

 

Another ‘c’atholic High School blows up when they hear the truth about Catholic teaching.

Yah… I want to be part of a Church in which high school students determine our morality.

First, look at The Prout School.

From IndependentRI:

Prout principal will not resign after controversial assembly

SOUTH KINGSTOWN — Kathleen Schlenz of Peace Dale knew something was wrong when her daughter, Anna, arrived home from school Friday.

The Rev. Francis “Rocky” Hoffman, a priest of Opus Dei, [I know him.] an orthodox division of the Roman Catholic Church, and executive director and radio host of Relevant Radio, a Catholic radio network that broadcasts on 33 stations in 13 states and online, had spoken to a school-wide assembly at The Prout School, where Anna is a junior. The speech was being taped to be broadcast on Relevant Radio at a later date. “She was most upset about the divisive and offensive language regarding divorce, homosexuality and even adoption,” Kathleen Schlenz [Follow her doings all through the piece.  She’s really something.] said. “None of the parents or faculty knew it was being taped to be aired. They were essentially held hostage and told to clap after this man’s responses to questions, even when they didn’t agree with them.” Father Hoffman was on retreat and unavailable for comment before the Independent went to press Wednesday. On April 10, parents received a letter of apology from Principal David Carradini since Friday. [sigh] In the new letter, Carradini announced he would not resign.

[…]

“Many have questioned why I did not stop Fr. Hoffman when I sensed things were going badly,” Carradini wrote. “I have offered three explanations to various audiences; the truth is I do not know why I did not stop him:. Though I sensed, and shared, the distress of your daughters and sons, and of the faculty, [and Gaia] I did not see its depth, as I was in the front of the auditorium. I desperately hoped that things might right-end themselves, [?!? Really? Who writes public letters like that?  ] and in that hope I did not stop him. [‘Cause that wouldn’t have added chum to the waters.] Parents who are crisis management professionals have instructed me after the fact in what I ought to have done. I am grateful for their guidance.” [He makes this sound like a school shooting.  Were psychologists called into the school to help students deal with the trauma?]

Students discussed staging protests and pickets in response to the speech. On Monday, fliers that read “Homosexuals are bullied because of apathy. [Good grief.  WHO’S being bullied?] Divorced people are bullied because of apathy. Adoptive children are bullied because of apathy. Are you apathetic?” appeared around the school.  [What the heck did my old friend Fr. Hoffman say?  Did he use… I can hardly bring myself to type this… The ‘S’ Word™?] Several Prout students and alumni tweeted about the matter. “Prout is now an unvibrant uncatholic community,” one said. [They are figuring that out?] “All the good things built up by The Prout School today just came crashing down around us with that assembly,” read another.  [The party’s over, it seems.  It all came crashing down.  Was what Fr. Hoffman said as divisive and as bullying as this?  Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”] Posts to Hoffman’s Facebook page appeared briefly, but were removed. In an email to Carradini, Kathleen Schlenz characterized Hoffman’s comments as “cruel, condemnatory, and wholly un-Christian.” [Could he have been harsher than the Bible? Lev 20:13: “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.”  I’m just saying…] Beginning Friday, a number of parents, including Schlenz, went to Carradini with questions: Why was Hoffman asked to speak? Who approved it? Was he paid? Would the speech be aired?  [Could his talk have been more challenging than Matthew 5:32 “But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”] Carradini referred a request for comment to the Diocese of Providence. [This is Bp. Tobin’s diocese, thanks be to God.] Friday evening, parents received an email from the school. “My intention in inviting him here was to have a priest articulate Church teaching in a manner that was pastorally appropriate, doctrinally sound, and deeply respectful of the trust the students showed in bringing these questions forward for answer. My prior knowledge of Fr. Hoffman and his program gave every reason to expect this outcome,” Carradini wrote. “My expectations, and those of the faculty and staff, were not met, and for that I am deeply sorry. Several of the answers provided were not entirely representative of the full breadth of Church teaching on a number of complex and sensitive issues. [Oh?  What did he omit?] Several members of the student body, faculty, and staff – including me – were personally offended by his manner of presentation.”  [It may be that the little darlings heard it for the first time and had a reaction.] In the email, Carradini said he would “address these matters with the entire school and to apologize for the offenses caused.”  [What did Fr. Hoffman say that was so horrible?  Was it anything like what St. Paul said?  1 Cor 6:9-10: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,  nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.”] That occurred Monday, in another school-wide assembly, during which school chaplain Rev. Joseph Upton, offered an address with a more welcoming message. [?] “You can imagine how very upset I was on Friday morning as I watched and heard Fr. Rocky’s presentation unfold,” [I am still waiting for a quote… in or out of context… so that we can know what happened?] Upton said, according to an email regarding Hoffman’s address sent to parents. “We know that many young people in particular struggle with participation in the life of the Church. And now a presentation seemed to provide more of a reason to give up on the Church? I was angry and I was sad.” [Oooooo.] Approximately 50 parents appeared at the assembly uninvited and met with Carradini after it finished. Schlenz was among them. When she reached Carradini by phone Saturday, she asked what he was doing to ensure the speech would not be broadcast and was told he had spoken to a board member of Relevant Radio.  [So that no one can know what Father really said?  What does that sound like to you?  She doesn’t want people to know the truth.]

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Go here to read the rest.  Remember, the current rule in the Catholic Church in this country is that if you boldly speak Catholic doctrine in regard to sex and marriage, and the forces of tolerance take offense and scream for your scalp, you are on your own Jack, Jane and Rocky.  A precedent has been established by the non-action of Bishop Jugis in regard to the Charlotte High School debacle.  Expect to see much more of this type of agitprop by the forces of  the Catholic Left.

 

 

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Donald R. McClarey

Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three and happily married for 35 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.

42 Comments

  1. Everything about this sounds like it is from the CCHS playbook; no online petition.
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    From the Prout website:

    – “In the Catholic tradition, Prout is committed to empowering (sic) students to grow intellectually, spiritually and socially in an atmosphere of Christian giving.”
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    – “We encourage students… into a lifelong personal relationship with Jesus as a role model, friend and guide.”
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    – “In 1981 Prout became a diocesan high school.”
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    – “Mass (is) celebrated as a community about once a month and on holy days.”
    (Note: this is presented as a highlight of the spiritual aspect of the school. Daily Mass (if offered) was not listed as a highlight.)
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    – Another spiritual highlight is “The Sacrament of Reconciliation (offered) during Advent and Lent.”
    (Note: on another page, Fr Upton offers to Schedule the sacrament to anyone who is interested.)
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    – Fr Upton was ordained in 2010.
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    The newspaper quoted the diocesan spokesman: “Father Rocky’s responses to a number of particularly sensative topics were disappointing and PASTORALLY INSENSITIVE (emphasis added) to church teachings.”

  2. I think one factor in these increasing incidents is the disappearance of SIN.
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    In part, the diminished significance of SIN in our society today can be attributed to the widespread growth of the culture of victimhood (especially in terms of women).
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    Another possible factor in the marginalization of sin is a greater acceptance of other beliefs. I received a letter in the mail today from a Protestant Rescue Mission that proclaimed “When Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead, our wounds were healed and our SINS were foregiven.”
    With that kind of thinking, it should not be a surprise that today’s young people have little concept of sin. Jesus put down his credit card and is picking up the tab. So order whatever you want because it’s been paid for.
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    This is obviously incorrect (but try to tell them otherwise and lookout! Here comes the bus.)

  3. The phrase Catholic left contains mutually exclusive words. One cannot be leftist and still be authentically Catholic.

  4. Jesus – role model, friend and guide.
    Horse manure!
    Jesus – Lord, Saviour. And King! Creator and Judge! The man on that white horse from whose mouth comes the sword of truth.
    I hate liberalism.

  5. Horse manure, Paul? Perhaps on two of the three, but not this: “No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.”

    Of course, friendship has to be nurtured on both sides. The only side of the friendship on which we may be certain is Jesus’. It is presumption to be certain that any of us, even in a high school, nurture our friendship well.

  6. It really irks me that the principal was so quick with an apology. Since the talk was recorded I’d like to see a transcript, especially if there were questions and answers outside of the prepared script.

    BTW, the parents may have one legitimate complaint. Certain recordings in front of a school audience by an outside agency require parental wavers for each student. I can’t imagine that an audio with just applause would require wavers, but a video playback that pans the audience might. It’s likely that Fr. Hoffman would be careful here, but look to some parents to complain anyway.

    “He makes this sound like a school shooting”. Heck, even school shootings don’t sound like school shootings. We always use the weak-kneed “tragedy” rather than the more accurate “atrocity”.

    Is this just the usual anti-Opus Dei BS?

  7. I had feared that this would come from outside the Church. I didn’t realize how deeply we have been co-opted. Anguish!
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    Isaiah 22
    3 Your rulers have all fled together;
    they were captured without the use of a bow.*
    All of you who were found were captured, though they had fled far away.
    .
    4 Therefore I said: Look away from me,
    let me weep bitter tears; do not try to comfort me for the destruction of my beloved people.

  8. You have a point, TomD. In true friendship, one respects the other. These freaking liberal nit wit parents and their spoiled little brats have ZERO respect for Jesus Christ and His words about marriage and adultery. They want a best buddy who will confirm them in their sin, who will say, “I luv you, it’s OK for you to do whatever you want.” A real friend doesn’t do that. A real friend says, “Stop! If you continue, you will kill yourself.” But that is NOT the message these reprobate hypocritical Katholycks want. They want “peace and luv, man!” Hippified godless rebellious whelps, the lot of them, no better than me in my dope smoking, heroin using days (which reminds me that I should work out my salvation in fear and trembling as the Apostle admonishes).

    Erit enim tempus, cum sanam doctrinam non sustinebunt, sed ad sua desideria coacervabunt sibi magistros prurientes auribus, et a veritate quidem auditum avertent, ad fabulas autem convertentur.

    Ad Timotheum Epistula II Sancti Pauli Apostoli, Caput IV, Versus III per IV

  9. “They want a best buddy who will confirm them in their sin”
    Heh. Not a chalice with consecrated wine but a bottle of beer.

  10. I don’t get it. If the Headmaster won’t resign, why’d he apologize in the first place? Seems to me he ought either resign, to show his apology is sincere, or be fired for craveness.

  11. What do you expect when these very same bishops treat opposition to amnesty for illegal aliens as a violation of religious liberty ala Fortnight for Freedom (or as more accurately stated Operation Defining Religious Liberty Down)? And they pander to the same pro-illegal immigration and anti-death penalty activists who are part of the same leftist machine that is foisting sexual promiscuity on children.

    No Bishop Jugis didn’t set any precedent. That precedent was set long before Bishop Jugis.

  12. Could one ever imagine? Basically being accused of hate speech while teaching church doctrine.

    Recently in Canada a pastor was detained prior to entering the Country to give a talk on Christian morals. His material was found to be “abusive.”

    Exciting times huh?

    “If American Catholics do not return to the faith and partake of the Sacraments worthily the future of the Church in America is to resemble the 1st century Christendom.” (paraphrasing)
    Fr. John Hardon d.2000

    Q: Are you prepared to stand up for the Truth when your day of testimony arrives?
    Happy Palm Sunday TAC.

  13. fRED quoted, “When Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead, our wounds were healed and our SINS were foregiven.”
    St Paul says, “being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.…” (Rom 3:24-26)

  14. BTW, the parents may have one legitimate complaint. Certain recordings in front of a school audience by an outside agency require parental wavers for each student. I can’t imagine that an audio with just applause would require wavers, but a video playback that pans the audience might. It’s likely that Fr. Hoffman would be careful here, but look to some parents to complain anyway

    The contention that the students were instructed to applaud for the recording came from a complaining parent informed by her complaining daughter. The dame also described their attendance at a school assembly (common as dirt in secondary education) as being ‘held hostage’. Sorry, just do not trust this broad.

    The weasel who issued the statement quoted by “fRED” is the superintendent of Catholic schools for the diocese of Providence. The bishop needs to send pink slips to the principal and his immediate superior and tell the complaining parents to get lost. Of course, nothing will happen.

  15. Expect to see much more of this type of agitprop by the forces of the Catholic Left.

    “Catholic Left” would be Peter Steinfels or John Noonan. These people are just institutional tapeworms.

  16. It seems to me that it is obvious that the human aspect of religious management in the USA (and the West?) has failed. However, perhaps the more important question to ask as a result of these failures is: what is the Holy Spirit telling us?
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    Modern RC (and Protestants too) essentially gravitate towards “works” in regards to salvation (e.g., ACCEPT Jesus as a personal savior; say the Jesus prayer; HAVE faith and BELIEVE). We are looking for ACTIONs. But the NT says these actions are more on the “Fruits” side of things.
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    As I mentioned in another post, I am currently reading/studying, “Acts of Apostles.” This morning I read about Lydia, a worshiper of God. “The Lord opened her heart to give heed to what was said by Paul” [16:14]. One of my resources is notes by Msgr Charles Pope (Washington, DC). His commentary on this verse notes that “true conversion..is always the work of the Holy Spirit who is the mover of human hearts. Humility demands that we acknowledge this as a work of God and not glory in it as though it is our own doing. Further, we must not lose heart. We must understand that the Holy Spirit goes before us to prepare hearts and minds. If the Word of God is received, it will be a work of God.”
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    Given the role of God and the Holy Spirit, as well as our own “free will,” what are we to make of these recent incidents of failure in the what we assumed were bastions of Catholicism? Perhaps we are being called to look to ACTS and the letters of Paul to better understand how God is calling us. Certainly Paul encountered many such challenges and setbacks as we are seeing today.
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    If the Holy Spirit is going before us, then most certainly we should not despair in these “setbacks.” What is the Holy Spirit calling you and me to do?
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  17. 2nd Timothy 1:7 “For God did not give us a Spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline.”

    Come Holy Spirit and enlighten the faithful. Give courage to persons in leadership roles, especially those in your Catholic schools.

  18. Is Liberalism a Sin?
    Victor R. Claveau, MJ

    It has been estimated that over 130 million Americans have no religious affiliation. From this population of heretics and pagans exudes an atmosphere filled with ideas poisonous to Christian life. To live among this population requires energy and a robust religious constitution.
    It is natural that infidelity would find public expression. Our media is saturated with non-Christian dogmatism. We cannot escape from this opposing spirit. It is constantly shoved in our faces, and enters through both eye and ear. It sooths and flatters; hates and curses, now threatens and now praises. However, it is most dangerous when it comes to us under the guise of “liberality.”
    On the principle that every person may interpret the Scriptures according to the dictates of private judgment, it gives birth to endless contradictions and differences. Required by the law of its own impotence, because of the lack of any decisive authoritarian voice in matters of faith, it is forced to recognize as valid and orthodox any belief that springs from the exercise of private judgment. Therefore it arrives at the conclusion that one creed is as good as another, and attempts to cloak this conclusion under the appearance of liberty of conscience. The individual interprets as he pleases, rejecting or accepting what he chooses. This is popularly called freedom of conscience. If one creed is as good as another, then no creed is as good as any.
    Religion is the bond, which unites us to God, the alpha and omega of all good. Infidelity, breaks the bond, which binds men to God, and seeks to build a human society founded on the principle of man’s independence.
    In the assumption of the absolute sovereignty of the individual, that is, his entire independence from God, we find the common source of all evil.
    Dogma is the authoritative declaration of revealed truth, or a truth founded upon revelation. This logically implies the obedient acceptance of the dogma on the part of the individual and of society. Liberalism refuses to acknowledge this rational obedience and denies the authority. It asserts the sovereignty of the individual and the social reason, and enthrones Rationalism in the seat of authority. It knows no dogma except the dogma of self-assertion. Hence, it is radical and fundamental heresy, the rebellion of human intellect against God.
    Liberalism denies the absolute jurisdiction of God over individuals and society. It also denies the necessity of divine revelation and the obligation of every person to accept that revelation under pain of eternal damnation. In short, Liberalism sets itself up as the measure and rule of faith, and, so, shuts out revelation altogether. It denies everything which itself does not proclaim. It negates everything it does not affirm. Liberalism is the radical and universal denial of all divine truth and Christian dogma, and the supreme rebellion against the authority of God. With the Evil One, its maxim is: “I will not serve.”
    Liberalism in the order of ideas is absolute error; in the order of facts, it is absolute disorder. It is therefore, in both cases a very serious and deadly sin, for sin is the rebellion against God in thought or deed, the elevation of the creature in the place of the creator.

  19. “Error may flourish for a time, but truth will prevail in the end. The only effect of error ultimately is to promote truth. (John Henry Newman, Present position of Catholics in England).

    “For (magna est veritas er praevalebit) great is truth, and shall prevail.” (Thomas Brooks, The Crown and Glory of Christianity, 1622, p. 407).

    “The worst enemy of truth and freedom in our society is the compact majority. Yes, the damned, compact, liberal majority.” (Hendrik Ibsen, 1828-1906, An Enemy of the People, 1882, Act 4).

    There are “those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:10).

    “Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” (John 8:31-32).

    SAINT AUGUSTINE, Confes. X, xxiii, 33: “In fact, the blessed life consists in the joy that comes from the truth, since this joy comes from You who are Truth, God my light, salvation of my face, my God”.

    “It is actually natural to man to strive for knowledge of the truth”. PL 32, 793-794. Cf. SAINT THOMAS AQUINAS, De Malo, IX, 1

    We must continue the search for truth and for meaning throughout our lives, since “the human spirit must be cultivated in such a way that there results a growth in its ability to wonder, to understand, to contemplate, to make personal judgments, and to develop a religious, moral, and social sense.” (VATICAN COUNCIL II, Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World Gaudium et Spes, n. 59: AAS 58 (1966), p. 1080.)

  20. Moderation in all things is taught throughout the Bible old and New Testament. However, there is a caveat to that statement, and that is, that there can be no moderation in one’s love of God or love of truth. Scripture states, “I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth” (Rev. 3:15-17). Truth cannot be subject to relativism and subjectivism.
    Some consider Christian faith intolerant, simply because Christians affirm dogmas and hold objective moral norms rather than acquiescing in religious indifferentism and moral subjectivism. But every worldview and way of life logically excludes alternatives. Relativists and subjectivists also have a definite worldview and way of life; they too reject every position incompatible with their own. True tolerance is not indifferentism and subjectivism, but respect for those who hold another worldview and way of life. Tolerance is readiness to presume good will in others and to put up with their conscientious behavior insofar as one’s own conscience permits.
    Relativism and subjectivism also can be closed-minded. Relativists and subjectivists constantly talk about civility and moderation, but they are not immune from intolerance and fanaticism. Indeed, they are especially tempted to be arbitrary and self-righteous, precisely because they acknowledge neither a higher reality to which all realistic people must submit nor an objective moral standard by which all conscientious people must criticize themselves. Unable to call on their opponents to submit to principles which any reasonable person should accept (their views exclude such principles), relativists and subjectivists inevitably will be tempted to use non-rational methods–manipulation and even suppression–in order to prevail.
    “To live well is nothing other than to love God with all ones heart, with all ones soul and with all ones efforts; from this it comes about that love is kept whole and uncorrupted (through temperance). No misfortune can disturb it (and this is fortitude). It obeys only [God] (and this is justice), and is careful in discerning things, so as not to be surprised by deceit or trickery (and this is prudence)” (St. Augustine, De Moribus eccl. 1, 25, 46: PL 32, 1330-1331).

  21. Victor R. Claveau.
    Simply and beautifully written.
    Thank you for your faith.
    Learning…always learning. Peace.

  22. Beautifully written, all accepted truth; Thank you very much Victor Claveau. Yes, love is the answer, and truth will prevail in the end.
    Still, I say again with Isaiah:
    4 Therefore I said: Look away from me,
    let me weep bitter tears; do not try to comfort me for the destruction of my beloved people.

  23. Wow! I am shocked that anything Father Rocky said would be found to be offensive. I am a listener to Relevant Radio and find that he is kind and patient in his instruction.

    Sadly, this is the way the liberals behave in all aspects of life. They are always crying “bully” but don’t realize that by their very actions they are the bullies.

  24. The immutable, the ineffable, the infinite Supreme Sovereign Being, Perfect God cannot and does not change. Some people try to improve on perfection of the Supreme Sovereign Being.

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    God does not change. The saints in heaven, the martyrs, do not change. They are forever fixed in heaven and have already refused to change to save their lives. The saints and martyrs have refused to forfeit their souls, their immortal human souls.
    The souls in purgatory, those almost saints who have missed eternal damnation by the skin of their teeth would not take another chance on losing.
    The militant, those souls in battle, fighting for their blessedness against the forces of evil, here on earth, constantly run the risk of losing to the devil the gift of eternal happiness.
    .

    God does not change, not in the triumph of the Beatific Vision, not in the suffering of purgatory. Man can only change in his desire to serve God to attain the Beatific Vision and avoid the pains of hell. Man can only revolt against God, the unchangeable God, while here on earth.
    Ignorance is an opinion upon which no truth may rest.

  25. Victor R Claveau wrote, “But every worldview and way of life logically excludes alternatives.”

    Is that true? “You Spartans live your lives in one way, according to the laws of Lycurgus; we Athenians arrange our lives in a different way, according to the laws of Solon.” Is it clear that Spartans and Athenians actually disagree? Even if they do, what would count as resolving their disagreements, since there is no question here of agreeing on a description of anything?

    Certainly, they might come to agree on the best way to arrange their lives, but that would represent a change in customs, not coming to agree about a shared object of enquiry. Or would it?

    As Miss Anscombe pointed out in her 1958 paper, Modern Moral Philosophy, to resolve that question, “ an explanation is required how an unjust man is a bad man, or an unjust action a bad one… For the proof that an unjust man is a bad man would require a positive account of justice as a ‘virtue.’” That, I believe, is the question on which, as apologists, we need to concentrate our attention.

  26. Past time for bishops to show up once per year at each Catholic high school and in front of an assembly of all the students and faculty preach the teaching of Jesus’s Church about sexuality, sex, and marriage. Do it clearly and firmly, no mush-mouth.

    Then let the goats and tares self-identify.

  27. “I see you screen out all dissenting opinion. I’m not surprised.”

    Anyone who has not posted before is automatically put into moderation. Once the initial comment is approved the moderation is lifted. The fact that I let your inane first comment by demonstrates how effectively we “screen out all dissent”.

  28. Sorry for the jumping the gun. I didn’t know about the “moderation”. It doesn’t seem like there is anything moderate about these comments. All I’m saying is that from what I have read in these here comments, if I had to choose between these folks here and the Taliban, my intelligence would require that it come down to a coin toss.

  29. It would have been more merciful to leave D in moderation.

    That whole “open your mouth and prove it to the world” thing, you know?

  30. “if I had to choose between these folks here and the Taliban, my intelligence would require that it come down to a coin toss.”

    Explain in detail how anyone who comments or posts here resembles the Taliban, unless you simply lump anyone who believes in God with the Taliban or anyone who disagrees with you with the Taliban.

  31. D: I’ve been under “moderation” for years. It helps with my keyboard Tourrettes’ Syndrome.

    Is there substance behind your insult?

    Is everybody that doesn’t toe your line worse than Hitler? Or, just Christians?

  32. D is one of those special little snowflakes whose equilibrium can’t process Catholics or Christians who think differently than he/she does without assigning lazy stereotypes borrowed from fellow snowflakes.

    However, I have every confidence D would drop the sneer and be the soul of polite charity on an actual Taliban-supporting website.

    We know what you are D–don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  33. I’m halfway out the door at this point, but:

    Please note that this sort of protest has become a pattern. If you don’t think this isn’t being coordinated, I don’t know what to tell you. If Catholic schools are simply going to be parrots of the zeitgeist, they are worse than useless: they are pernicious. If supposed paladins of orthodoxy like Jugis and Tobin are going to stand idly by, then the game is over.

  34. “then the game is over.”

    If 2000 years of the history of the Church has taught me anything Dale, it is that the game is never over as far as the Catholic Church is concerned, no matter the follies without and within the Church.

  35. True, but the Church will endure and doubtless flourish over time globally, as she has met and surmounted what seemed to be hopeless challenges from within and without down through the centuries. If I lost my faith, God forbid, and looked at the Church purely as a historian, I would make the very same prediction.

  36. Marvel not that “licentiousness” masquerades as “liberalism”.

    Did St. Paul not sum it up well when he said:

    1 Corinthians 6:12-20

    King James Version (KJV)

    12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

    13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

    14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

    15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

    16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

    17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

    18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

    19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

    Oh, what tribulation comes upon us when reprobates hold the purse-strings.

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