Among the many disasters of Pope Francis and his clone is convincing a good many Americans that the Church is reflexively against the US. The Left poisons everything it touches.
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- Donald R. McClarey
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 43 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
Then there’s the attempted assassinations on Trump and the purchase of materials for nuclear weapons.
One of the biggest follies/disasters of the leadership of the Church since the V2 days (and a consequence of V2 itself) is the self-delusion that somehow the Church itself should insert itself into all manner of worldly aspects.
I think the curia and the hierarchy actual see themselves as a better UN with a divine imprimatur. Only the veneer of theology is present. I do wonder what will make it stop, though…
Didn’t he know about Cardinal McCarricks activities, and did nothing?
Not the guy to listen to as mad Mullahs enslave their people, terrorize and build nuclear bombs.
‘Objectively verifiable“?!? I don’t remember that particular criterion in Augustine’s just war theory.
It’s almost as if the good Cardinal wants to give Iran the benefit of the doubt with regards to the thousands of Americans killed by Iran’s proxies.
Yes, let’s wait until they get nuclear weapons to find out whether or not they’ll use them. What could go wrong?
I think the curia and the hierarchy actual see themselves as a better UN with a divine imprimatur. Only the veneer of theology is present. I do wonder what will make it stop, though…
I recall reading a book I think about Pope Pius the 12th where it was asserted that the Vatican was significantly involved in the creation of the United Nations as we see it today. I never verified it. Does anybody know if the Vatican had a significant involvement in the creation of the United Nations. If you read the Universal Declaration on human rights which was part of those early United Nations actions, it reads very Catholic.
I think the Pope is against all believing and faithful Roman Catholics. Look how they hate the Roman Rite? There are many rites in the Church but this is the one most hated by the Pope and his cronies. I feel the hate! Got it
I’ll wager if you carefully cross-examined the teachers, school administrators, and social workers where you live, you’d discover they’re reflexively against the U.S. What’s pathetic about the clergy in our time is that there is so little of the Church’s historic teaching manifest in their displayed attitudes.
Many Americans do think we have been at war since Nov 1979. I remember those days very well. From the Iranian perspective the war started in 1953 when the U.S. overthrew their elected government and installed the Shah.
It’s important to understand the perspective of one’s opponent.
Light- FWIW, Grok sez the Vatican had no *active* involvement in creating the UN. (What it has done since appears to be another matter.)
The last Shah ruled Iran from 1941-1979. He inherited it from his father Reza Shah who ruled from 1925-1941. Reza Shah was the Prime Minister who overthrew the reigning Shah in 1925.
In 1953, the Prime Minister, not the Shah, was overthrown and imprisoned for 3 years for treason. The Shah continued to rule and appointed a replacement Prime Minister. While I have not looked into it, I would not be surprised if the Prime Minister, in 1953, planned to depose the reigning Shah and take his place, a position that would not be favorable to the UK or the US.
JFK- my understanding is that the 1953 coup was in response to the decision of the elected Iranian government to nationalize the oil industry. That was done after attempted negotiations with the British for payment of royalties proved fruitless. Truman vetoed the proposed coup. Eisenhower approved it after taking office.
You can call it a coup, I’d call it a Monarch legally removing a soviet stooge from his PM position. 🙂
The unrest and subsequent overthrow of the 2500-year-old monarchy in Iran had little or nothing at all to do with oil revenues. The Pahlavi dynasty actively worked toward the modernization (and secularization) of Iran, and this angered the mullahs and their fanatical adherents.
Many Americans do think we have been at war since Nov 1979. I remember those days very well. From the Iranian perspective the war started in 1953 when the U.S. overthrew their elected government and installed the Shah.It’s important to understand the perspective of one’s opponent.
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Your perspective is witless. Mohammed Mossadeq had at that point no claim to the prime minister’s chair. He had held onto it after the legislature had been prorogued and in spite of the preferences of the head of state. He also had no franchise to disestablish the monarchy, which is what he sought to do. The Shah had the authority to remove him from office.
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Please note that Mossadeq partisans in the Iranian ministry in 1979 lasted about six months. The dispute between Ayatollah Khomenei and the Shah dated from 1963 and concerned an agrarian program which threatened the economic interests of the mosques and religious officialdom. Khomeinei decamed to Iraq the following year, and spent the next 14 years there. For ten of those 14 years, Iraq was run by the Ba’ath Party, one of the world’s thoroughly ghastly totalitarian operations.
FK- my understanding is that the 1953 coup was in response to the decision of the elected Iranian government to nationalize the oil industry.
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The nationalization occurred two years earlier and ownership of the company was not returned to British investors after 1953.
Art D.- Art thanks much for sharing your perspective on things, My point is that the Iranians reject the notion that the war with the U.S. started in 1979, but rather date if from the time of the coup in 1953. You have posted nothing to suggest that that is not their perception. Do you care to do so? It’s undeniable that the U.S. interfered with their internal affairs in 1953. I don’t think any serious historian would disagree. How about you?
With all due respect Faithful, you’ve posted nothing to suggest that this IS “their” perception. It’s certainly not the mullahs’ perception, since they weren’t even ruling Iran prior to 1979. They might’ve detested the US prior to that, but “Death to America” did not become the official goal of the state of Iran until 1979.
As for the position of “The Iranians“, from what I’ve seen, some of “the Iranians” want freedom and democracy, some want a return to the monarchy, and some liked it the way it was a month ago. Kinda silly to claim that an entire nation agrees on this one point. I’m pretty sure if you asked “the Iranians” dancing in the streets right now, they’d say they haven’t ever been at war with the US.
My point is that the Iranians reject the notion that the war with the U.S. started in 1979, but rather date if from the time of the coup in 1953. You have posted nothing to suggest that that is not their perception.
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I’m not fool enough to use the definite article.
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Some bloke can also say the war began when weight gain pushed his belly button out. It’s not valid because that’s his ‘perception’.
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There was no ‘coup’ in 1953, merely an intramural struggle in which one side lost. The side which lost was the side operating contrary to law.
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And, again, Mossadeq’s retainers have never since been of much consequence in Iran and Khomeini’s dispute with the Pahlavis dates from a period a decade later.
LKL:
Eleanor Roosevelt wrote the Declaration of human rights for the UN. The UN took the mention of God out everywhere. Eleanor Roosevelt declined authorship.
An atheistic version. See Bishop Fulton Sheen on the that. Sheen wrote the word UN and turned it into “inn”. God had no place at the inn. Every body cheered.
@ Josh: I suppose this is painfully obvious, but the reason US Church leadership and Card. McElroy in particular believe “somehow the Church itself should insert itself into all manner of worldly aspects” is they have given up both on discovering God Transcendent and God Immanent, now settling for pure worldly secularism.
NB. You have to “love” McElroy’s particularly thick intellectually condescending manner. Like most Stanford U. products (Susan Rice, Rachel Maddow, Adam Schiff. etc. ), he’s just smarter than the rest of fallen humanity. It’s such a burden for him.
This is the thanks we get for pressuring the Soviets to leave the northern provinces in 1946.