Best Roman Emperor?

Who would you pick?

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Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 7:08am

My vote is for Marcus Aurelius.

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Tom Byrne
Tom Byrne
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 9:48am

My choice would have to depend on the conditions they faced. Some of the “sergeant-major” emperors of the third century like Aurelian held things together though terrifically tough times. For the first century: Augustus, with Vespasian second. For the next century: Trajan, hands down. Diocletian (for all the persecutions of his age, under the goading of Galerius) built a political and defensive structure (at the price of as totalitarian a bureaucracy as technology allowed) that gave the Western empire another two centuries and the Eastern another millennium. Constantine consolidated that achievement.
The Byzantines BTW never called themselves anything but Romans (Rhomaioi in Greek). A charming story from 1912 tells of the Greeks occupying a formerly Turkish-controlled island after one of the Balkan Wars. Soldiers guarded a town square and some country children were watching them curiously. A friendly soldier asked what they were doing.
“We came to see the Greeks,” said a little girl.
“But are you not Greek too?” asked the astonished soldier.
“No, sir,” she answered. “We are Romans”.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 10:05am

No clue. I suspect Italy and the Maghreb would have been better off if Justinian had had fewer ambitions.

Tom Byrne
Tom Byrne
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 10:13am

Art:
The reconquest of Vandal North Africa was pretty much a walk, and the defense of Carthage by Heraclius in the following century delayed the Islamic conquest of Spain by a half-century, probably saving the Franks. Imagine the Religion of Peace facing off with bumbling Merovingian princelings rather than Charles Martel and Odo of Aquitaine.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 10:17am

Augustus and Constantine in a photo finish–they built quite well. I also love Marcus Aurelius thanks to the miraculous survival of his private journal.

Another bronze medal candidate–Aurelian. Rome was this close to disintegrating entirely when he took he throne. It was stable when he was assassinated. [The clerk who arranged the conspiracy via fraudulent documents was given a lingering death by the horrified assassins.] There wouldn’t have been anything for Diocletian to build on without him.

I also have a soft spot for the Severans, under whom Christians had a measure of peace.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 10:52am

The reconquest of Vandal North Africa was pretty much a walk
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See Kenneth Harl’s lectures on this subject. Institutional reconstruction in the Maghreb was challenging.
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Note, the blood and treasure expended trying to reconquer and run part of the western empire could have been expended defending the empire from threats to the south and east.

Tom Byrne
Tom Byrne
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 11:06am

Art:
It was the taking of Italy and southeast Spain that drained Justinian’s resources, not North Africa (my sources are Dawson and Brown). When it fell to Islam it was less the Arabs from the east than the Berbers from the south who reasserted themselves. That would have big consequences for the history of Islam in the West, also.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 11:21am

I’m with Tom: North Africa was the base from which Heraclius was able to muster strength to defeat the Persians.

The Vandal kingdom collapsed quickly. Italy was the generational battle, and the main problem there was the plague that crippled Eastern Rome. Without that, the Ostrogoths are finished by 540. Belisarius’ armies secured the entire Ostrogoth treasury, so there was no fiscal crisis from the reconquest itself.

Pinky
Pinky
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 11:26am

Charlemagne. Fight me on this.

Ankylosaurus
Ankylosaurus
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 4:55pm

Best by what standards? Economic standards? Military standards? The standards of 21st-century America? Seriously, think about the question of who is the worst US president. I think I would have to argue, in all seriousness, that Obama was the most damaging president, but half the public would be appalled by that judgment, and many of those who would be appalled would say the worst was clearly Donald Trump (who is admittedly flawed, but who did not “evolve” and give us “gay marriage”).

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 7:10pm

Ankylosaurus –> read again the article for which you provided a link. There is a difference between ordering and taking pleasure in the massacre of Christians at Lyons, and presiding over an Empire where such an atrocity took place. For example, Trump was President while thousands and thousands of abortions were performed. Is he responsible for them? Same with Marcus Aurelius. Consider also that whatever communication should have happened between St. Irenaeus of Lyons and Marcus Aurelius never took place. I wager that if it had, the Stoic philosopher Emperor would have seen the true fruition of his philosophy in Christianity.

Ankylosaurus
Ankylosaurus
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 7:31pm

Lucius,

You’re pretty sure I’ll absolve Trump, aren’t you?

At the very least I will not consider Trump the BEST president, nor Marcus Aurelius the BEST emperor.

To be perfectly honest, I did not base my evaluation on that article, but on Eusebius. Frankly, though, I’d put a decent Christian emperor (of whom there were a few, if sadly not many) above the best of the pagans. Maybe these should be in separate categories.

I’m seriously leaning towards Pinky’s suggestion of Charlemagne.

CAG
CAG
Friday, August 16, AD 2024 7:48pm

My vote goes to Flavius Flav … He knew what time it was!

Donald Link
Friday, August 30, AD 2024 9:37am

Constantine gave the empire, for better or worse, another almost two centuries of existence. This was time enough for the Franks. the Goths and the Celts to organize into something resembling nations to resist Islam and the more aggressive barbarians that eventually led to a somewhat secure Europe.

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