Go here to read the rest. Rumors abound that Pope Francis, in his ceaseless efforts to bring about a major schism, is getting ready to ban the traditional Latin Mass. Back to the catacombs. Heckuva job Conclave of 2013, heckuva job.
PopeWatch: Killing the Latin Mass
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No one including the Pope has any authority to ban the Holy Mass in any language, ancient or modern.
SSPX is going to need a LOT more chapels.
“Heckuva job Conclave of 2013, heckuva job.”
Indeed.….
When all is said and done… Francis will have done a most excellent job of speedily bringing the post modernist experiment to an end.
The LORD doesn’t simply count cards, HE KNOWS.
I’m precisely the type of whom Thompson writes: don’t attend the Extraordinary Form (although I know a few who do) but despise what is being done here.
And for the older Ordo to be called effeminate…well, the Pope should have seen the Mass I attended yesterday when on vacation. Projection is so cliched now it almost doesn’t bear mentioning. But it needs to keep being pointed out.
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Supposedly The Remnant was founded in 1968 when the Matt brothers had a dispute over whether or not you could explicitly criticize the Pope. By 2002, critiques of the Pope were modal in traditionalist circles. Now, they’ve extended to the entire spectrum of orthodox Catholics. About 20 years ago, Edwin Faust wrote in The Latin Mass that he did not particularly care if the local bishop (whom he described shlepping about on New Jersey beaches in civvies, walking his dog) approved or disapproved of the liturgy at the independent chapel he attended. The bad faith of the episcopacy has been so manifest for so long that their capacity to command obedience has evaporated among anyone and everyone not on the payroll. He can ‘ban’ the Latin mass; what that means is it will take place outside the field of vision of his lickspittles.
I have heard both “complete ban” and “no more diocesan TLMs.”
The former guarantees a schism along the lines of the Ruthenian Catholics of the turn of the 20th century. With a distinct possibility that the disaffected trads elect themselves an anti-pope. The SSPX has already said new bishops are coming, too.
The latter cabins them in the FSSP, ICKSP, etc. That just means a slower death, as such organizations only have the right to exist that the local bishop allows. The Institute was tossed out of Gary and Cupich turned the Institute headquarters in Chicago into a monastery with no public access to the sacraments.
I think it’s a coin toss: the smarter move is to boil the frog and do it slowly. But you sense a frenzy in the most insane supporters of the pontiff right now–Grillo’s interview was pure Year Zero totalitarianism. And they just might have his ear.
*”SSPX is going to need a LOT more chapels.”
Agreed, Frank. My own parish, which I’ve been attending for decades, recently suppressed its Latin Masses at the insistence of Rome.
For years my parish had offered one early morning Latin Mass, and it had grown so popular that another was added to the Sunday schedule years ago, for a total of
three Novus Ordo Masses in English, one in Spanish, and two Extraordinary Form Masses.
Interestingly enough, those two Latin Masses accounted for about 2/3 of the total Sunday offerings for the parish coffers.
The SSPX has a priest visit my city twice a month to offer Mass in a motel conference room. And that is my new parish.
Just as water cannot keep itself from flowing, neither can the progressives keep from being totalitarian. If they were smart they would have issued an edict to clean up the most banal absurdities in the Novus Ordo in order to entice the Vetus Ordo Catholics to drop their arms. But then again, if they were smart, they wouldn’t be progressives.
Maybe it would be helpful to recall here some of the elements necessary for a law to be legitimate, i.e. truly a law:
I think it’s helpful, because when Custodes Traditionis (roughly translated: Tradition’s Jailers, or alternatively, Guardians of Betrayal*) was first mentioned in Catholic blogs, etc., I paid it no mind, because it had not been promulgated yet (to say nothing of the issue of legitimate authority, or right reason). For the jurisdiction I’m in, it turns out that it never was promulgated as such.**
*That second translation is property of Fr. Z, of wdtprs.com fame
** The decrees of Trent weren’t promulgated in some U.S. territories (future states) until the early 20th century. It made matrimony a lot more stream-lined, and more tragic in some cases.
Art Deco: “…what that means is that it (the Latin Mass) will take place out of the field of vision…”
My guess is it’ll be held at regular times in the catacombs, if need be.
For everyone concerned about the Latin Mass and does not understand the Latin language, go to Scorpius Martianus’ YouTube channel, find his Latin tutoring videos, and LEARN LATIN! Disce linguam Latinam!
https://youtube.com/@scorpiomartianus?si=wESdHBKOk8CotIq8
The best way to show that Latino Pontiff (oh the irony) that Latin is alive is to LEARN LATIN!
Our good bishops and priests are between a rock and a hard place as the saying goes. “Obedience” has been used to take away the Mass of the Ages, the former strong Sacrament rites, has destroyed many Orders and Institutes. The Novus Ordo has been an instrument to bore millions from the Church. If/when our diocesan TLM is stolen from us, I will either drive an hour and a half through bad traffic to the FSSP or I will attend the “catholic lite” Saturday evening Mass which suffices for Sunday and attend the SSPX on Sunday as our bishop said that the SSPX will not suffice for our Sunday obligation for reasons I cannot fathom as it is valid, etc. But where does “obedience” end? Do not have to be obedient to a disobedience. Were the priests and faithful during the English revolt faithful to the bishop when they held home Masses or Masses on the rocks? Where does our obedience lay? That is what we remaining faithful much discern.
Please remember that
Pope Francis is mortal.
We pray for him, as well as for a successor that has moxie, intelligence and the heart to be a true servant of God.
The Mass of the Ages will not be abandoned nor mothballed.
The key, imo, is not loosing hope in our Holy Catholic Church. Where are we to go?…St. Peter says to Christ. Indeed, nowhere else are we to seek Christ. This kidney stone will pass.
No one including the Pope has any authority to ban the Holy Mass in any language, ancient or modern.
LQC is correct! The Mass – in any language – is the celebration of the Holy Eucharist. Nobody has authority over this only Our Lord. It does not matter if the Pope of the day likes or dislikes the language, he has no authority to ban a Mass where the miracle of water and bread is turned into the Blood and Body of Christ. As long as there is a legitimate priest blessing the Eucharist with the correct words, it does not matter what language is used. It’s valid and cannot be suppressed. Continue to celebrate in halls. He cannot stop it.
The language is not the point. It is the theology that is expressed by the liturgy.
I think Parrish is right.
It’s a lot deeper and it goes against their current caving to the woke world
J Ronald Parrish and MrsOpey are exactly right. I have argued for years that, if the vernacular translation of the 1962 Missal were to be used, most adherents to the Mass of the Ages would be perfectly fine with it. The Latin is beautiful to hear and unifying in its consistency, but it is the content that’s important. Go to the New Liturgical Movement website and you’ll find a detailed analysis by Matthew Hazell of the textual differences between the Novus Ordo and the Vetus Ordo, and it’s an eye-opener. TL/DR: The actual amount of pre-Novus Ordo text, including prayers, Rubrics, propers, sequences, and responsories, that survives in the N.O. is about 13 percent. Thus the lies of people like Cardinal Roche, who claim that the N.O. contains “all the elements of the [traditional] Roman Rite”, are clearly exposed and debunked. The Modernists hate and fear the theoiogy of the traditional Mass, because, I believe, it is wholly inconsistent with their vision of the Church as a James Martin-friendly secular NGO unconcerned with eternal salvation.
https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2021/10/all-elements-of-roman-rite-mythbusting.html
You could do a great deal to improve NO services, but it’s not done.
A. Have a women’s choir in the loft to chant the ordinary. Save hymns and carols for odd occasions.
B. Have a men’s schola in the sanctuary (or a cantor or the celebrant if necessary) chant the propers.
C. Have one or two acolytes – unmarried men who’ve had their 1st communion. No need to bother with Eucharistic ministers bar on Christmas and Easter.
D. Have a lector for the readings, or a lectrix when no men are available. Keep the prayers of the people short and devoted to requests in re members of the parish.
E. Ad orientem
F. Roman Canon
G. Have the Gospel as a point of departure for the homily. If you can integrate a discussion of one or another of the other readings, that’s gravy. A priest who has been around a while should have a file of homilies composed for each day of the liturgical year, updated as needed if he finds something in the Church Fathers or his other readings which he can deploy. Homilies should be concise and conclude with instructions for the week.
H. Put topical commentary, pastoral letters, &c in an insert in the bulletin or in piles on a table in the narthex.
I. Ditto ‘announcements’. If you have to make a splashy announcement, have ushers reminding people at the doors, or put it on an easel in the narthex.
J. Encourage people not to converse in the nave and to make their thanksgiving silently at the end of the service. A traditionalist priest in Rochester puts it thus: “Devotion, not commotion, after the service”.
K. Put collection plates by the doors. Ideally, the offertory plate is passed by an usher to someone at the end of the pew, passed down the line, and received at the other end. No baskets on poles. Ushers in coats and ties.
L. Admonish people to dress properly for the service. If you look like you’re headed for beer and brats or the priest can see your cleavage, you’re doing it wrong.