Absolutely spectacular.
Love seeing this. pic.twitter.com/MX54bVeZpB— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) April 7, 2021
This should have been our reaction from the beginning of this bad farce.
Get Out!
- Donald R. McClarey
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 43 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
Bravo! This is what should be said to all Liberals including “Pope” Francis the usurper.
This is what a pastor did a week ago, or so, when agents of doom tried to enter his church. He stood between them, Police officers, and his congregation and SHOUTED Get Out! He demanded a warrant and said “You racist Nazi’s. Get Out. Leave.”
This was during Holy Week.
I’ll search the link.
The good news is that people are standing up. If your sick, stay home.
If your coughing and you must go out into the public then wear a mask.
Here it is;
https://youtu.be/ziWXH7T15zw
Now that’s multi-tasking. Pushing pesky Covid inspectors off her premises with a sleeping child in her arms. Good on her.
I’m waiting for the post where all of our no-longer silent bishops engage them as well–while singing the Ave Maria.
We are certainly living in a post-martyrdom world….
Marvelous reaction, indeed.
On the same general subject, sympathy goes out to our Michigan correspondents.
Two headlines from this morning on NBC-DFW
First, from still heavily restricted Michigan:
“COVID Cases Overwhelm Michigan Health System, Gov. Whitmer Urges Residents to Stay Home”
And from here in Texas:
“One Month After COVID-19 Mandates Lift, Numbers Continue to Decline”
But no one in the media or the Democrat party seems capable of drawing any inferences from this or many similar stories. All the idiotic statements made against Gov. Abbott a month ago are simply being memory-holed, as is always the case when the Left is dead wrong. And as we know, that happens a LOT.
Now, all that said, a “spike”of some degree, likely much smaller than last year, should occur down here in late summer or early fall, because it always does with flu and any other respiratory virus. Just as there always are “spikes” in such ailments in the North during late winter and early spring. And nothing any Governor or bureaucrat does will ever change that.
Further info on the matters I referred to earlier. Also look into the writings of Edgar Hope-Simpson, who was a pioneer in understanding geographic and other unique characteristics of influenza epidemics.
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-5-29
Duly note the Sacred Heart of Mary on the wall in the background!
This should have been our reaction from the beginning of this bad farce.
No, it should not have been. Once it was understood that this was not an ailment which kills the young (or those in early middle age), the emergency regulations should have been radically modified. You can tell from the pan that the customers are young people. The oldest person in evidence is the lady health inspector. As long as she had proper advisories posted and her older customers out on the patio, it should not have been an issue.
The behavior of Whitmer and Newsome has been so unreasonable (and, in Whitmer’s case, in defiance of court decisions) that reactions like this are quite appropriate. Lawless officials cannot and should not expect obedience from the public, or from local inspectors, or from sheriff’s deputies.
@Frank,
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I live here in Michigan, in fact I live in the hotspot.
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https://www.ourmidland.com/coronavirus/article/Mid-Michigan-becomes-country-s-leading-COVID-19-16089896.php
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What may not be well known is we have a very reasonable vaccination rate. At this point, I think everyone 18+ in Midland County is eligible. A friend of mine has informed me my physician’s office now has a supply, and I will most likely be getting a call. Ug.
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It is my understanding that Whitmer has mandated every child involved in a sport take a Covid test before games. I am willing to bet there are a very large number of false positives mixed in with a large number of asymptomatic teens.
It is my understanding that Whitmer has mandated every child involved in a sport take a Covid test before games. I am willing to bet there are a very large number of false positives mixed in with a large number of asymptomatic teens.
Whitmer’s an idiot. During the period running from January 2020 to September 2020, the ratio of COVID deaths to non-COVID deaths among those under 25 in this country was 0.01.
Idiocy squared, actually, as basketball, volleyball, swimming, and tennis are the only competitive sports that are routinely undertaken indoors (and outdoor courts aren’t exactly uncommon).
While we’re at it, the number of 1st and 2d doses delivered so far should have been sufficient to:
Fully vaccinate ever hands-on medical sector worker
Fully vaccinate every person in nursing homes & c.
Fully vaccinate every person over the age of 65
Give the 1st dose to those between 60 and 65 and to those between 50 and 60 with weight problems, all of whom should be teed up for their 2d dose in the next three weeks.
As we speak, 56% of the population over 65 has been fully vaccinated. About 22% of the vaccine doses have been given to those under 50. Note, hands on medical sector workers under the age of 50 number about 6 million. Had they all been vaccinated, about 7% of the total shots would have been distributed to them. IOW, 15% of the doses delivered thus far have been to people not under mortal threat from this virus and not likely to be vectors.
I saw this video but I can’t find where it says where this took place.
An idiot? Or a conniving politico?
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It occurred to me testing the kids would be a good way to up the Covid numbers. Of course they have it. Because they are kids, and kids have cooties. It just happens that this particular cootie doesn’t tend to make them sick, and they probably are not likely to pass it to the vulnerable.
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Very interesting post from one K. Straughan on the Viva Frei Quebec Police State update, April 9, 2021, Youtube. Seems Mrs S’s husband has a friend, a government worker, who is making out like a bandit under lockdown. That got me thinking. I bet a LOT of government workers are enjoying lockdown and do not want things back to normal. Testing the kids and uping the numbers gives Whitmer an excuse to keep the restrictions going.
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One of Whitmer’s aids was recent seen in Florida. She left her Covid positive son home while they took other family members. This is outrageous because the entire family is supposed to be under quarantine.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/09/top-gretchen-whitmer-aide-takes-spring-break-trip-to-florida-ignoring-mi-govs-warning/
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Viva frei update
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IYwJ-yRL3bk
An idiot? Or a conniving politico?
Embrace the power of ‘and’.
It happened in Canada, and apparently the business has been shut down. It seems that we need to bring back tar and feathers to get the point across. I do love the face the restaurant owner made after the Karens left. She was proud they stood up for her.
“It happened in Canada.”
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I’ve been watching Viva Frei pretty faithfully. What is going on in Canada makes Michigan look like Florida.
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He has a companion channel Viva Family as well. In this vid, Viva shows off his culinary skills:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czWeEvLrNtw
Half a million Americans have died from COVID, including an unusually high percentage of older nuns and priests. How many more have to die before allegedly “pro-Life” people realize wearing. a mask to save lives does not rise to the level of the Inquisition?
The Inquisition was useful, and responded to the evidence, and developed in rational response to objective results. All things which you branch COVIDians strenuously avoid.
including an unusually high percentage of older nuns and priests.
Wow, some form recognition that the average age of death attributed to COVID is significantly above the average life expectancy, even when motorcycle accidents six months after a positive test result are included!
Now do how many of those were killed by being infected when known infected people were placed in their nursing homes, and how many more from being refused basic medical care before it reached emergency levels, and how many die in a normal year.
“Wearing a mask to save lives” objectively does not reduce the spread of infection, but does cause bacterial pneumonia. Which kills people.
And the irrational tactics you attempt to hijack not killing people to force us to support are… killing people. Robbing them of their lives, and their livelihood, and driving them into despair.
Some of the masks may also cause cancer down the line.
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/potentially-toxic-masks-distributed-schools-231331868.html
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Medical waste has skyrocketed over this. What about the environment?
I don’t think that John has ever made a comment here that wasn’t a bad faith attack on Christians for not accepting the leftist narrative, nor do I think that he has ever responded to criticism or questions. He’s a pretty transparent, and pretty incompetent, shill.
“ncluding an unusually high percentage of older nuns and priests”
A good many of the older fatalities were due to the charming habit of blue state governors sending Covid patients to nursing homes, and then lying about the number of deaths caused by their policies.
Half a million Americans have died from COVID, including an unusually high percentage of older nuns and priests. How many more have to die before allegedly “pro-Life” people realize wearing. a mask to save lives does not rise to the level of the Inquisition?
That a mask might ‘save lives’ is a dubious proposition at this point, something you might discover if you attempted to assemble a bibliography on the subject. Maybe Mrs.McClarey will put one together for you. Leftists have no interest in the practical utility of anything. Everything devolves into status games.
OK, there’s a nagging question I have about the efficacy of masks that I can’t seem to find a definite answer to.
If masks and social distancing “don’t work” to stop the spread of “any virus” including COVID, why have there been so few cases of colds and flu this past year? I have always gotten 1 or 2 colds per year, one in early fall (around the time schools open) and another in mid/late winter, but I haven’t had so much as a sniffle since February 2020. Literally no one I know has had a cold or flu this year; one person in my office tested positive for COVID, had one day of a bad cough and several weeks of diminished sense of smell and that was it.
Now, I DON’T agree with blanket mask mandates issued by state or local governments, but I cannot help but suspect that mask wearing and social distancing must be doing something to stop the spread of colds and flu, and if that’s the case why would it not work against COVID?
The other possibility is that millions of people who actually did get a cold or the flu have been classified as COVID cases because they happened to test positive around the same time, or because their symptoms were close enough to COVID that they were classified as such. But I don’t know whether that fully explains the near-total lack of colds and flu this winter. Any thoughts?
Do masks work? No, not outside an operating room and/or a clean room–and then the people who work in those envirnoments aren’t using the cute masks you can get off of Etsy or bought at Wal-mart.
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Social Distancing? Yeah, that probably does work. I cut back on activities as has my husband and we have not be sick. I am also taking in a fair amount of Cal/Mag/Zinc/D3. The kids are not going to get sick from their school mates if they aren’t at school. In my town, before Covid anyway, there was always that one school that had to shut down for a long week-end because half the staff and students had The Flu. My son got sick this past summer when he was hanging out with friends. I do not know if it was Covid or not.
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The Flu has not gone anywhere (my daughter in law got it twice–per test), but they are not testing for it as much, and when they are, the tests are getting delayed in processng due to the necessity of doing Covid tests. The labs cannot do everything. (How my daughter in law got two positive fFu tests but no positive Covid tests is something of a mystery to me.)
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People are getting sick (I know of quite a few). They may not be reporting it as readily though with a call to the doctor’s office unless they are really sick.
In fact, my doctor’s office refused to see anyone who “was sick.” You had to go to the ER. My sister’s doctor’s office would not see anyone at all. I suspect a lot of folks are suffering quietly at home, keeping a low profile.
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Then too, it is my understanding that the Covid 19 test really can’t distinquish between the SARS CoV 2 virus and any other random Corona virus that floats around that does in fact cause the “Common Cold” (and there are a couple of different viruses that cause that)
If masks and social distancing “don’t work” to stop the spread of “any virus” including COVID, why have there been so few cases of colds and flu this past year?
Well, first part first, we can prove that the masks do not prevent the spread of COVID, nor reduce how bad the cases are. Even when torturing the numbers, nobody has been able to show something that even resembles a positive pattern between wearing masks and infection rates going in a good direction. For a little while they were trying to make that work by going off of state-wide mandates, that’s when Iowa had hotspots. Problem being, those hotspots were exclusively in cities that had put in city-wide mask mandates at least 6-8 weeks earlier. There is some indication that masks are associated with worse spreading and a higher hospitalization rate, but the samples are dirty enough to make that hard to tell– forced masking is generally not done in isolation, it’s part of several other steps, some of which may be effective, and are frequently correlated to different testing samples. (Such as how Iowa has a big increase in college age kids…right after the college started requiring people to get tested a lot.)
For fewer cases of cold, there’s the data collection issue of all non-emergency-care being banned for a significant portion of the year, unless it was diagnosed as COVID.
For the (actual) flu virus cases, the percentage of positive results in tests has gone down– there are several possible reasons for this, including that people who got a positive COVID test were not tested for the flu, even if they did have it, and that there is a known to be much higher rate of bacterial pneumonia, so possibly those folks are being tested for the flu, thus screwing up the sample. (The bacterial pneumonia thing is a known issue with wearing masks, and why OSHA rules aren’t all stupid. My mom got it when Washington state was having all those fires and they had to be out riding. She masked to avoid breathing chunks of ash.)
Of course, there is one huge difference. Where I’ve been predicting exactly this kind of drop in infections for years. Where it’s a very, very simple solution.
People are not forced under law to send their known-sick kids in to public school.
You are not required to get a doctor’s note saying that Little Timmy is too sick to be in school– much less provide it to the school the morning that Little Timmy starts vomiting– in order to avoid threatening with truancy laws. You can look at the kid, say “huh, he looks sick, how about you lay down and not infect everybody?” and the school doesn’t scream for “their” little cash-cow to show up.
Even in places that don’t have people under house-arrest, this has resulted in a lot fewer sick kids.
Those workplaces where one can work from home when someone feels unwell, likewise.
No, not outside an operating room and/or a clean room–and then the people who work in those envirnoments aren’t using the cute masks you can get off of Etsy or bought at Wal-mart.
What folks don’t want to point out is that surgical masks– besides being changed much more often than the ones in general use– are there to avoid either the surgeon accidentally spitting into an open wound, or…well, as a med friend put it, the operator getting an “unexpected snack.”
:green face:
Masks work, of course. Better masks work better, and multiple masks with a respirator tank in a sealed room filled with Clorox work even better.
Masks aren’t perfect, and the laws of probability mean that if an area has a high rate of infection, you’re more likely to get exposed. Masks are basic hygiene, and if worn properly they’re part of an imperfect solution. An analogy: we don’t need flush toilets, and we can be somewhat sanitary without them, but you don’t want to move to a town that doesn’t use them..
The study that got the most attention was the one out of Denmark, but it had less than 100 people who got infected at all. It just wasn’t big enough to draw any conclusions.
If masks have eliminated the flu, why has the flu vanished everywhere regardless of the amount of masking?
For example, take Minnesota and South Dakota. Neighboring states with similar weather and with population centered around similar latitudes. But Minnesota has had a mask mandate for nearly a year, and South Dakota never had one. But both states had the flu practically vanish (meaning less than a hundredth of the cases that had been seen the year before). If masks are to explain for this drop, why isn’t South Dakota getting hit worse?
Masks aren’t perfect, and the laws of probability mean that if an area has a high rate of infection, you’re more likely to get exposed.
Does not account for the evidence already mentioned, where higher infection rates followed mandatory masking, after longer than the infection incubation period.
Declaring something to be “basic hygiene” does not make it so– it requires evidence.
Such as the evidence that shows that washing hands lowers infection rates.
And hand washing doesn’t have the dire health consequences of long-term masking.
Rudolph – Because the flu didn’t “vanish”. And really I could have put quotes around “the” flu. There are multiple strains all around the world that regularly mutate; the more effective ones spread. Over the past year, no flu strain has successfully spread other than covid-19 and its variants. This conforms with any standard model.
What galls me the most, what truly frosts me, is the medical community touting masking as a basic mitigation technique. I have not heard one time to take extra Vit D, eat more apples and oranges, and loose weight.
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They KNOW lack of Vit D and obesity are significant co-morbidities Yeah, I get it. Losing adipose tissue is tough, and masking is not. But maybe if the medical community and governing authorities had screamed “Loose 10 Pounds, Beat COVID, Do it for Grandma!” people might have found the strength and motivation to improve their lifestyle.
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Again, the facts do not support your assumptions.
Look at influenza associated pediatric deaths, a stat that has been collected for years, charted by flu season.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/PedFlu13.html
Or go to FluView Interactive, make sure you have it set to show how things are coded separately, and look at the years.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html
I suggest looking at the under 18 for the clearest demonstration.
Please notice, Pinky did not address why masking did not cause a difference in places where you must wear them, and ones where you are not forced to do so.
He also correctly stated there are several strains of the influenza virus, but incorrectly described COVID as one of them. It is, of course, a different kind of virus.
I specifically said the the flu “practically” vanished. Specifically the cases are less than a hundredth of the previous year. That isn’t eradicated, but it is still bizarre, far outside the normal variation of the spread of the flu and requires explanation. Saying I am wrong because of the word “vanish” is pedantry that dodges the real question.
But let’s get this in context: I am responding to Elaine, who said that masks might work because of the extreme decrease in the flu. For her argument it doesn’t matter if the flu literally “vanished” or simply decreased tremendously, so focusing on whether flu vanished completely without a trace is besides the point. Whatever you are doing you are clearly not responding within the context of the debate.
To clear things up then, Pinky, please answer the following questions:
1.) Do you think that the reduction in flu cases this year is to an unusually large degree?
2.) Do you think masks/social distancing are the primary factor for this decrease?
3a.) If the answer is yes, what explains the consistent behavior in the flu between areas like Minnesota and South Dakota, where masks were not applied evenly?
3b.) If the answer to 2.) is no, what explains the drop in the flu?
1 – Yes.
2 – Yes.
3 – If various strains of flu aren’t being spread and given opportunities to mutate, all areas will be affected. As an analogy, let’s say there are only a few counterfeiters working in the US at any given time. The fake bills will initially be concentrated near their operations, but will gradually spread across the country. Banks in all 50 states will have to work on eliminating them, but there will always be new sources of bad bills. But let’s say for one year the Secret Service cracks down hard on counterfeiters. The amount of fake money would decline in all areas, not just immediately around their operations. An imperfect analogy, but you get the point.
It doesn’t seem plausible at all to me that such an effect, it it even exists, would be so pronounced and so uniform. But since it’s clear that you’re just throwing out ad hoc explanations I doubt I’ll convince you of anything on this topic.
Since one of the methods they use to catch counterfeiters is by looking at the area where their counterfeits are identified– yes. It would cause a non-uniform sample. Because the flu doesn’t spead only due to mutation, that can just cause bigger spikes. Which is why the flu graph I pointed to has specific strains noted, year after year….
1.) Do you think that the reduction in flu cases this year is to an unusually large degree? — Yes
2.) Do you think masks/social distancing are the primary factor for this decrease? — I would now say that social distancing — especially cancellation/limitation of large gatherings — was probably a bigger factor than masks.
3a.) If the answer is yes, what explains the consistent behavior in the flu between areas like Minnesota and South Dakota, where masks were not applied evenly? — Has anyone compared their social distancing measures in the same manner? Masks may not have been applied evenly but did both states, for example, impose the same restrictions on social gatherings, public events, schools, etc.?
3b.) If the answer to 2.) is no, what explains the drop in the flu? — I really don’t know.
It’s impossible to measure adherence to masking and “social distancing” in any real way across an entire state. The most you can do is survey people, or maybe see what they do in very crowded places, but of course people will lie (especially in this current environment where there is a strong push to accept these things). The most we can do is use legal mandates as a proxy for behavior since presumably there are many people who will not do something if it is illegal.
Comparing Minnesota and South Dakota, the biggest difference is that there was never a mask mandate in South Dakota, but there has been one in Minnesota which started July 2020 and continues to this day. Similarly Minnesota had a stay at home order which lasted for about two months, and South Dakota never had any such order. South Dakota did have some restrictions on gatherings, but it is difficult to find the specifics online at the moment (search engines will give up pages of results of MSM articles chastising SD for not doing more but will not say what they are actually doing). At the moment there does not seem to be any specific requirements as to capacity limits and so on, though the government encourages them. In any case it’s pretty certain that SD’s edicts have generally been much laxer than MN’s.
South Dakota also received infamy in the news for the supposed “super spreader” event of the Sturgis rally which was not cancelled. (Generally from what I can find SD has not put any restrictions on outdoor events, or even really recommended against them). But if it really was a “super spreader” event for COVID, it apparently didn’t do the same thing for influenza.
But if you go to the department of health for both states you will see that the flu is practically non-existent in both states (reduction to less than 1% of cases of the previous year).
The Sturgis infection surge never showed up.
Some states reported anybody who had driven through the state as having been infected at the rally, which Sturgis found out when folks were pissed enough to look up the city and call them to tell them about that lie.
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Even statistics that sounded alarming seemed to reflect the opposite when examined. A New York Times report said: “In all, cases spread to more than 20 states and at least 300 people — including revelers’ families and co-workers who never set foot in South Dakota, according to state health officials.” But 300 people of 460,000 attendees would be just .065% or about six-hundredth of one percent of those who attended.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/03/the-myth-of-the-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-as-a-super-spreader-event/
You couldn’t find anything on their restrictions because they started the “Back To Normal” in April, and it’s almost entirely “encouraged.”
https://news.sd.gov/newsitem.aspx?id=26712
This came my way. Perhaps instead of talking about masks, Covid, and The Flu (or lack of), we should talk about this much more important disease: obesity.
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obesity-covids-third-rail/
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Shutting down the restaurants has not helped reducing our waist-lines any. A lot of us (me too) have packed on the pounds.
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https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/pandemic-weight-gain-its-thing