What, Pachamama Isn’t Enough For Them?

 

God forgive Catholic Clerics who worship at the false altars of identity politics, Leftism and the Green Cult, and are too busy with malign rubbish to preach Catholicism.  They have richly earned this humiliating defeat.

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Frank
Frank
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 5:23am

This is what it looks like, sixty years after the one Church founded by Jesus Christ as His means for evangelization and salvation threw in the towel and caved to the world.

MrsOpey
MrsOpey
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 5:28am

Have we checked on those who defended this false god? Are they still twisted up like a pretzel defending PF?

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 7:14am

The Great Commission….

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Alex has my vote;

https://www.ncregister.com/blog/austrian-catholic-why-i-threw-pachamama-statues-into-the-tiber

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 7:35am

A certain Archbishop, the Tiber and Alex.

I would pay real money to see Alex do his magic again;

Weisenburger, who was installed March 18 as archbishop of Detroit after serving as bishop of Tucson, Arizona, for a little more than seven years, is an admirer of Pope Francis, as he made clear during a press conference on April 21, the day Pope Francis died. The archbishop called Francis “the perfect man at the right time” and suggested he was “a saint,” as the Register reported last week.

CAG
CAG
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 7:38am

Oh! C’mon guys! It was only the first commandment! Why not focus on the nine others that weren’t broken that day?

Matthew
Matthew
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 7:45am

The emptiness of the spirituality of the leadership of the Catholic Church was on full display there. Goodness, such an embarrassment to everyone with an ounce of faith. My Calvinist friends were telling me: “you converted to paganism.” It was a chore to tell them that the Church was founded by Jesus, most Catholics recognized this as an abomination.

Dave G.
Dave G.
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 9:28am

I’ve said before that when I was in ministry, I worked with those in the denomination’s missions board. My wife’s uncle was head of it for missions in the US. I met many people from all over the world, including from South America. Back then – the 90s and early 00s – I had more than one say that Catholic Liberation Theology was the best thing that ever happened to Evangelical missions in Latin America. Though for odd reasons, there were still liberal Protestant leaders trying to embrace the same liberation theology.

John F
John F
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 10:33am

Sadly, ..I have little choice but to chastise the gentleman.
Simply put, he tried honoring the first Commandment …by violating the eighth.
I do not know who technically owns the statues. I DO know that he did not. Taking something that is not yours without the express permission of the proper owner…is theft.
Most of us didn’t think well of the Pachamama statues. If he wanted to properly disapprove, he could readily have entered the church, knelt down in prayer facing away from the statues. He could also have brought a statue of a saint, perhaps the Blessed Virgin, with him and faced her instead. Or, better, he could have organized a group of people to gather in prayer near the church to pray for intercession from a saint.
I think we would understood and lauded such action.

Matthew
Matthew
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 10:56am

John F: I would argue that is not the case. I don’t think Jesus paid back the money changers and those whose pigeons he released at the cleansing of the Temple. Sometimes offense to God calls for an extreme action. Does God want idols to remain in His Church?

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 10:58am

Did people bow to the image of Pachamama in a Carmelite Church in Rome?

Maybe.

Did the young man do it all wrong?

Okay. I agree it wasn’t the saintly thing to do unless he stopped numerous people from giving adoration to a false God in of all places God’s holy Church.

Francis specialized in creating scandal. Not admonishing it.

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Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 11:51am

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John F
John F
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 12:20pm

Matthew, I think you have mis-characterized the circumstance. Recall that to release someone, you need to have captured them first. Also recall that part of Christ’s mission while walking on Earth was…correcting the (many) errors which had developed within Judaism. One error by the Sanhedrin had been to allow money-changers and pigeon-owners to set up shop in the Temple. In other words, Jewish leaders allowed ancient-day Wells Fargo and Wal-Mart to operate there. Google too.
(Pigeons were for sacrifice, yet could also be used for messenger services.)
…You’ll notice the Church has never allowed an ATM in a prominent place in the lobby of a parish. Such might improve tithing, yet still would not be appropriate.

When He cleansed the Temple, Christ did not arrest anyone. He merely drove them out. Money-changers and pigeon owners might not have received any notice at all if they had set up in a nearby bazaar or across the street. However, Christ being the second person of the Godhead, He would legitimately deem their presence in the Temple as “stealing” space from those seeking to offer prayers and sacrifices.

You are correct that God does not want idol worship in His house. ..He also does not want us committing sins ourselves to correct errant clergy.

GregB
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 2:58pm

The money changers in the Temple were situated in the Court of the Gentiles. The Court of the Gentiles was the only place where non-convert Gentiles could pray to the God of the Jews. You could say that driving out the money changers was making room for the Gentiles. In Mark 11:17 Christ said: ’17 And he taught, and said to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers.”’ This is a reference to Isaiah 56:7. Isaiah 56 talks about extending the covenant to all who obey.

The Bruised Optimist
The Bruised Optimist
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 4:48pm

I too was troubled by the destruction of another’s property aspect of the destruction of a pagan idol. However, I believe it is similar to an event in the life of St Dominic Savio.

Some boys his own age tried to get Dominic to look at bad pictures (probably porn). When he saw what the pictures were he ripped them up. The pictures obviously did not belong to Dominic, but he destroyed them.

I asked a trustworthy priest how that would not be, technically, theft. He said that it was because the pictures “served no legitimate purpose.”

I think the same can be said of the Amazonian idol.

CAG
CAG
Tuesday, August 12, AD 2025 5:31pm

In Acts 16, Paul casts out a fortune-telling spirit possessing a slave girl, thereby stealing from her owners the income they had been gaining from her affliction.

Who, in their right mind (besides the ‘bishopess‘ in charge of the Episcopalian church of America) would consider this a breaking of the seventh commandment?!!?

John F
John F
Wednesday, August 13, AD 2025 12:03pm

“When he saw what the pictures were he ripped them up. The pictures obviously did not belong to Dominic, but he destroyed them.

I think the same can be said of the Amazonian idol.”

Regrettably, I think not.
As you say, bad pictures implies pornography. By being so, it implies it has no virtuous significance. …It also implies being inexpensive. Pornographers don’t claim virtue or value. They claim “artistic license”, freedom of speech, …freedom of religion, …and low cost. Nobody fusses much about low-grade voyeurism; it’s too easy to “satisfy” the law.
A better analogy would be for someone to steal the Piss Christ photograph. We would agree this is blasphemous, yet the current owner paid over $145,000. By that it “has great value”. Stealing it would be prosecuted. Or, Pachamama idols depict a false god, yes. So does Islam. Yet if you vandalize a mosque or steal a Koran–especially one used for formal ceremonies–you’ll be prosecuted for vandalism or theft..
We rightly view the Pachamama idols as..idols. I agree the Vatican should not have allowed the statues being the subjects of ceremonies inside the Vatican. Such may have been blasphemous. A better response still would have been for Mr. Tschugguel to have organized a protest. Doing so would have both honored his obligation to respect others’ beliefs, prevented an act of debatable character, …and still provided warning against scandal.
As he acted, he obliquely insulted the potential faith of Amazon peoples and, at bare minimum, flirted with acting sinfully himself.

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