I Won’t Live to See it

But one day it will come. And don’t forget East Washington and East Oregon!  (Hattip to commenter LQC.)

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Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 3:22am

You must mean east Oregon and east Washington, Donald. Costal regions and the Willamette Valley are Democrat. Deep countryside is Republican.

bob kurland
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Monday, November 25, AD 2024 5:59am

How about rural PA? indeed, territorial contiguity should not be a condition for statehood composed those with similar interests and ideals. Let’s make city states (metropolitan areas over 1 million, say) and country states (all that’s left.)

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bob kurland
Admin
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 6:08am

Carvell’s famous comment about PA: “Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between.”

Lead kindly light
Lead kindly light
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 6:39am

Well, we got West Virginia because of the Democrats once before.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 6:42am

I have long despised Carville’s 1992 comment about Pennsylvania. If Murrysville to Reading is Alabama then Ohio and Indiana are Alabama too.

I have pointed out earlier that rural Western Pennsylvania is much the same as the counties surrounding Allegheny (Pittsburgh), just not as populated. Fishing, hunting, the Steelers, a Catholic Church in most every town.

Pennsylvania is the City of Philadelphia and it’s suburban counties pretty much against everyone else.

Frank
Frank
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 8:06am

Penguins Fan, my cousins in and around Chambersburg agree with you. They want to donate Philadelphia and it’s metro to New Jersey. 😁

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 8:12am

I think one thing which could be done would be the adoption of confederal constitutions which provide for a few spare statewide institution but allow each component of the state to go its own way on all but a few matters of public policy. You could conjoin that to interstate compacts which provide for bi-state municipal corporations functioning under elected councils to exercise state government functions in a given part of the state or which assign state government functions in an area to a neighboring state in return for participation in state elections. In addition, you could erect standing partnerships between states which would allow them to jointly exercise certain functions (occupational licensing, components of higher education, Medicaid, &c). You don’t necessarily have to modify formal and historical state boundaries to have more sensible provincial government. In the northeast, you might have Greater Boston, Greater New York, Greater Philadelphia, and Greater Washington and allow the residue of Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, and Massachusetts to go their own way. California could be reconstituted as a confederation of Greater Los Angeles, the Bay Area, north, and south.

Pinky
Pinky
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 9:40am

I shouldn’t argue with a Penguins fan about PA, but if there’s only one Catholic church in the towns in western PA, they must have closed a lot and also you’re probably not counting Eastern rites.

Madgalene
Madgalene
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 10:00am

Eastern Colorado instead of the state being California East at present.

bob kurland
Admin
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 10:07am

Penguin’s Fan: I endorse Carville’s comment, only in that there is a disparity between rural PA and metropolitan areas. When I lived in Pittsburgh it was strongly democratic; my home town, Danville was democrat only in a rich township (where the doctors lived) but repub elsewhere–lots of Trump signs. Scranton is a democrat island, as is State College and Harrisburg. It’s not Philly and surrounding counties (Bucks went for Trump), but metropolitan vs rural/semi-rural.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 10:10am

Hi, Pinky. I was using brevity. Some towns still have two Catholic churches. Few have three anymore. My mom’s hometown had four parishes. I am acutely aware of the Ukrainian, Byzantine and Maronite parishes that dot the map of Western Pennsylvania.
Northeast PA has a similar ethnic makeup.

The ethnic and religious makeup of Pennsylvania, especially the rural areas, distinguish PA from many other states. Stating that rural PA is the same as Alabama, a largely Protestant state with a significant African American population in its rural regions, was past ignorant. It was stupid, but Carville’s intelligence never impressed me.

I am all for separating Philly/Chicago/NYC/Portland into their own states.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 10:24am

Bob…Scranton, Harrisburg and State College are by themselves not able to shift PA Democrat. Neither is Erie. Allegheny County is majority Democrat due to the Pittsburgh college students, poor people and Fox Chapel/Shadyside but it is not unanimous. My town of South Fayette Township was full of Trump signs.

Note that Akron, Canton, Cleveland, Cincinnati , Dayton and Columbus voting Democrat do not make Ohio a Democrat state.

Like those Ohio cities, the suburban counties around Pittsburgh are now GOP.

I stand by my statement that Philadelphia and it’s suburban counties determine Pennsylvania. Bucks went GOP. Not the others.

bob kurland
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Monday, November 25, AD 2024 10:54am

Penguin’s Fan, you’re right about Carville’s comment not being entirely apt. Nevertheless, there’s a similarity of values and attitudes between southern, hill-country protestants and Pennsylvania mining county people (and western PA, too).

Robert "Tito" Edwards
Admin
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 11:45am

How about, make Delaware part of Maryland, and combine Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts and rename them ‘New England’.

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Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 3:31pm

Note that Akron, Canton, Cleveland, Cincinnati , Dayton and Columbus voting Democrat do not make Ohio a Democrat state.
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Greater Cincinnati sprawls over seven counties, four in Ohio and three in Kentucky. The seven in sum voted for DJT; Hamilton County, Ohio voted for KH. Starke County (Canton) voted for DJT. Mahoning and Trumbull (Youngstown) voted for DJT. Montgomery and Greene (Dayton) voted for DJT; Montgomery alone gave KH an advantage of 500 votes. Lucas and Wood (Toledo) voted for KH. Summit (Akron) voted for KH. Franklin and Delaware (Columbus) voted for KH. Cuyahoga, Lorain, and Lake (Cleveland) voted for KH. In and around Cleveland, Columbus, and Toledo, the county containing the core city voted for KH and the other counties for DJT.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 3:51pm

How about, make Delaware part of Maryland, and combine Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts and rename them ‘New England’.
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Delaware’s population is about 55% greater Philadelphia, 45% Southern lite. Maryland and the District in sum are about 40% greater Washington, 30% greater Baltimore, and 30% Southern-lite. Virginia has a non-contiguous segment which actually is contiguous with Maryland’s Eastern Shore (population about 60,000). About 10% of New Jersey’s population consists of greater Atlantic City, the Pine Barrens, and the exurban, small town, and rural portions of the Shore and the Delaware Valley. You assemble greater Baltimore, the Southern portions of Maryland, the Southern portions of Delaware, and the Shore / Pine Barrens of New Jersey, you have an area of about 5.4 million. About 40% of the population is in greater Baltimore, about 10% in the tract development around six small cities. You can have a co-operative structure wherein the state universities medical centers, forensic pathology laboratories, and occupational licensing boards operate in common and the components otherwise go their own way. A similar architecture can be erected for New England less greater Boston.

John Flaherty
John Flaherty
Monday, November 25, AD 2024 4:58pm

Heh. Y’all beat me to it with Eastern Washington. That was my first thought.

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