I am ashamed to say I would not give this fellow a second thought if I passed him in the street. Having watched this speech, however, I am now in awe of his eloquence and patriotism.
Maricopa County is the new Zimbabwe. https://t.co/BETZinTaZB
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) November 19, 2022
Stolen elections should engender this type of outrage in all of us. The ballot is our input into how we are governed. The right to have a say in how we are ruled is our most precious civil right. Those who would pervert this are our enemies, just as much as a foreign foe.
I used to think that our virtue, freedom, safety, and prosperity could be guaranteed by good laws, but then I looked at what people have done with the Bible: selective readings, false contextualizations, deliberate misinterpretations.
This undermines the importance of a vote. First of all, there is usually NOT MUCH difference between the two main choices available. I think back to an argument I had with someone before the 1992 election. Suppose I thought NAFTA was a bad idea — who should have my vote, Bush or Clinton? It didn’t matter; both had the same position on NAFTA. Suppose I thought that, after the Cold War, the biggest threat from Cuba was a collapse that would dump a hundred thousand refugees on American shores? Same thing: Bush and Clinton were united against me. Suppose I thought China was a growing threat? Bush and Clinton still favored Most Favored Nation status for China, regardless.
So I have limited choices, and in most cases the candidates promise to do things of which I disapprove. When they promise to do things of which I approve, they frequently break those promises. Even if they keep those promises, they only produce laws that — if found to be inconvenient by the “right” people — will be ignored or misinterpreted. What matters to me are the virtue, the freedom, the safety, and the prosperity; the vote is merely a means to an end, and an unreliable means at that.
The question of which matters more, votes or money, is an interesting one, but the eloquent man gave the wrong answer. No vote (in a governmental setting, or in a group of more than 20 people) in my lifetime has ever been swung by my vote; if I had not voted, the outcome for me and everyone else would be unchanged. The same CANNOT be said for having money. I survived 8 years of Obama, but I would not have survived 8 years without food or shelter.
Outis,
The Dobbs decision demonstrates that oftentimes there is a profound difference between candidates. Countless children would not have survived had Hillary been elected.
@Gag — Let me put it this way: Back in 2000, I took George W. Bush at his word when he said that abortion would not be a litmus test for his apointments to the Supreme Court. A coworker said I should vote for him anyhow, since she was sure he was a liar. Somehow, “vote for him, he’s a liar” is a hard sell. Character matters.
And, again, the “Respect for Marriage Act” shows that oftentimes there is NO difference between candidates.
The elections are being gamed.
It’s now about ballot harvesting in computer database target areas six weeks before the day that used to be Election Day without any debate or discussion accompanied by a whole lot of media manufactured fear after covid.
Election Day is only the last day you can vote and the first day of a month long count.
Suppose I thought NAFTA was a bad idea — who should have my vote, Bush or Clinton? It didn’t matter; both had the same position on NAFTA. Suppose I thought that, after the Cold War, the biggest threat from Cuba was a collapse that would dump a hundred thousand refugees on American shores?
If you have niche interests, you’re bound to be disappointed.
Majority rules.
Vox populi.
Look in the mirror and tell yourself, “Tens of millions of voters want more Democrat policy-induced catastrophes.”
That’s democracy. Unless Donald Trump wins.
@Art Deco — “Niche” meaning anything deeper than “Golf is good, taxes are bad, and war is profitable.” That’s the best you can hope for from a party that gives you a Bush or a Romney as its best choice, but maybe that’s enough for you.
@ Poutis
Back in 2000, I took George W. Bush at his word
You might want to climb into the twenty-first century, you seem fixated on Clinton and Bush.
… Now, I’m no fan of W, but he was a far better choice than Gore, and I’d wager HW didn’t spill his seed all over the oval office. But if you want to know the difference between candidate Bill Clinton and candidate George W. Bush, one of them grew out of his youthful indiscretions, and one grew in to them.
@Gag — Take any GOP presidential nominee for the past 30 years. This is not a new problem.
(P.S. W and Romney were 21st-century candidates. McCain was a psycho who was not trying to win. Trump is an unstable cad who destroys those close to him.)
@Poutus
So, your proof that all candidates are the same is McCain and Mitt?
My proof that they aren’t the same is Obama, Bernie and Biden
OITUS,
Re: Trump’s unstable persona. Compare the adult Trump children and their families to Hunter Biden.
You have a right to believe that Bidenflation, multiplying murder rates, fierce fentanyl deaths, unaffordable essentials prices, skirting WWIII are preferable to mean tweets.
Evidently, you did not notice. Too busy believing all the false witness against Trump.
Donald John Trump’s efforts and acumen gave America numerous, huge policy-induced blessings in stark contrast to Clinton, W., Obama, and in particular Chinese Biden’s massive miseries.
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Just goes to show that Satan is indeed the father of all lies. As children of God we yearn and crave what is the Truth. You can lie to people for so long before they erupt. We were made to seek out the Truth throughout our lives. It’s in our DNA. We can’t be content when we know something is a lie. Thankfully, God in charge and He will ALWAYS bring the Truth. ALWAYS. Keep the Faith.
We have selective readings and deliberate misinterpretations of the Bible for the same reason we have people who think Trump was the same president as Bernie and Hillary would have been had they been elected ( ie: they’re all the same). The reason is the oldest sin there is: pride. Pride prevents some folks from simply seeing reality and, instead, arguing false conclusions regardless of the evidence before their face. Nothing new with that.
“Niche” meaning anything deeper than “Golf is good, taxes are bad, and war is profitable.
If your top priority is the NAFTA treaty, you have niche interests.
Tom Liddy, the attorney at Maricopa County Civil Litigation Division to whom this letter was addressed by the Asst AZ AG Jennifer Wright, has been taped displaying his typically belligerent manner, going off in a conversation with a Lake Campaign attorney (the best way to deal with Tom Liddy, by the way: tape everything.). Liddy, the son of the late G. Gordon Liddy, and who was tapped at one time for a position fairly high up by then-chair Haley Barbour for the NRC, has a long history of being explosive and intemperate and not slowing down to deal with the facts, “just the facts, ma’am.”
He also ran for Congress in AZ in 2000, then a reliably red state, and came in not surprisingly in 4th place in a 4-man race for the Repub primary (AZ 1st Congressional District, my old district)—unfortunately, the winner was the infamous now-politically retired Jeff Flake.
After that, he had a stint for a while as a radio talk show co-host, but his condescending, know-it-all and generally difficult demeanor, being a general smart arse, crashed and burned that career. He also was a big vocal defender of a very bad right-hand man, a vicar of the Diocese of Phoenix, under the equally now-disgraced late Bishop Thomas O’Brien, who was later dismissed from priestly duties. Several of us tried to give Liddy a heads up, myself included, writing a carefully detailed letter explaining things he should check out. The head-strong Liddy would not, until events overtook matters. That vicar, true to form, last I heard, after being expelled, started his own odd “Glory and Praise” separatist church out in Mesa, AZ area, where is at last notice with some of his mesmerized followers.
Liddy was a big John McCsin man, holding a fundraiser once for McCain in his Scottsdale hone, and has little love for Trump or Kari Lake, both of whom he rather ironically considers loose cannons. But having Liddy as a point man in this probe, which may just guzzle out in its own, with his one-trick pony bellowing and intimidation tactics is not going to end well nor be forgotten soon for corrupt Maricopa County.
Thanks for the background Steve. If life were a novel, the entry of G.Gordon Liddy’s son into this fiasco would be rejected as too fantastic!
“Liddy, the son of the late G. Gordon Liddy, and who was tapped at one time for a position fairly high up by then-chair Haley Barbour for the NRC…”
Nuclear Regulatory Commission? I did a search of the US NRC Adams Library – no hits. I have followed appointments to the five-member Commission, the Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel, and the Advisory Committe on Reactor Safeguards since 1982 when I began my civilian career in nuclear power, and I recall NO appointment of a Tom Liddy. Yes, Commission appointments are political (nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, two must be from minority party and three may be from majority party, five year tour of duty). But the ASLB and ACRS members are supposed to be] apolitical and the very best in their respective engineering disciplines.
You must be referring to a different NRC. PS, if the Tom Liddy above had been in the US NRC, then that would explain some dang foolishness that exists.
NRCC?
Likely. National Republican Campaign Committee
Thank you, David & Donald. I see NRC and being a nuke I think nuclear. 😉
An eloquent patriot? More like an incoherent nut job. If this is the best anyone can do to convince people the Republican controlled county (and election board) of Maricopa was somehow adding up extra votes for Democrats, it’s time for the looney bin.
John, I realize that being disingenuous is your calling card, but that is a bit much even for you. The Attorney General of the State wants explanations of what went on at Maricopa before any confirmation of the vote tallies. A year ago the elected officials of Maricopa announced the formation of a pac to oppose Trump backed candidates. The McCain faction of the Republican party in Arizona has been waging a blood feud against Trump backed candidates. Leaving aside for the moment the question of Hobbs, a/k/a Abortion Mouse, supervising an election in which she was the major candidate for the Dems, there is more than enough for a Judge to order a revote, if the Judge rules solely on the evidence.
This seems to be the guy’s twitter account.
https://twitter.com/liqidearth
has a lot of videos for those interested
https://twitter.com/liqidearth/status/1594693289684320256
https://twitter.com/liqidearth/status/1594937450639417344/video/1
@John: “…the Republican-controlled County (and election board) of Maricopa [County]..”
Ah, Grasshopper. In Maricopa County, “Republican” really doesn’t mean anything. In Maricopa County, as in Lewis Carroll, things are not what they seem. Maricopa County establishment McCain-Flake-Ducey-Pence-multi-millionaire Karen Robson “Republicans” are not conservatives, just as Liz Cheney (who endorsed Hobbs FYI, if that tells you anything) is not so much a Republican as much as someone who resents little unenlightened people like us meddling in their government, which after all they consider their private family business. As Don McClarey incisively observed above , the Maricopa County Board of Elections of Supervisor “Republican” Bill Gates and the rest of the RINO crowd are McCain faction types. Noted above to you is the background on MC point man Board of Elections attorney Tom Liddy, a longtime McCain man. In fact, besides this, we have an interview on radio KTAR Phoenix Aug 4, 2022 of MCBOE supervisor Bill Gates in which he said Republicans “may need to lose” to move away from candidates “who deny election results.” A hardly veiled shot at Lake and Trump. Gates: “ I fear, that if we continue to nominate people who deny the truth, what we may need to have happen is that we may need to lose elections.” Gates telegraphed then he would do everything in his power to sabotage Lake, US Senate candidate Blake Masters, AG candidate Abe Hamadeh, and Sec of State candidate Mark Finchem. These new guard Repubs of Lake et al. were going to replace and fire the Bill Gates-McCain crowd and turn the dying state around.
What went on here was a takedown of Kari Lake by people inside the system who knew how to do it. Maricopa County’s election operations are manifestly corrupt. Gates after all first told the public on election night there were 450,000 uncounted ballots. Later on he said 472,000. The next day he said “over 500,000.” It now appears somewhere between there showed up between 600,000 and 800,000 uncounted ballots after 8 PM on election day. Where did all these ballots come from? They admit they have no chain of custody. Anytime an election count goes on more than 6 hours after the polls close, and the accurate number of remaining uncounted ballots cannot be immediately known, one can be sure that illicit ballot-stuffing is happening. This is in addition to Gates himself admitting that uncounted ballots were commingled with counted ballots, making it certain that they couldn’t be later distinguished at “Door 3” and strongly likely large numbers of ballots were never counted. After all more than 60% of the 60-70 Maricopa precincts had extensive tabulator counting problems.
Lake, like Trump, doesn’t need Bill Gates or his like-minded RINO assistant, the county recorder, Stephen Richer, or the rest of the old guard Paradise Valley “Republican” elites— Lake has her own ideas, she doesn’t need advisors from the McCain/Cheney/Ducey crowd. They would be fired.
And the worst thing possible for these people what’s going to happen. They were going to be out of power and irrelevant. Your “Republican-controlled” Maricopa County types couldn’t let that happen.