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Next time the Conclave should elect a Catholic as Pope, instead of a Jesuit.  Of course no one would have remembered the multiplication of the loaves and the fishes if Christ had not worked the miracle, and just prior to Him doing so the Disciples had told Him that the people had nothing to eat.  As a commentary on Scripture the sharing denial of the miracle has all the merit of a teetotaler asserting that Christ drank non-alcoholic grape juice instead of wine.

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Michael Dowd
Michael Dowd
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 3:54am

The former Pastor of our parish said the same thing several times. There was no miracle; it was a sharing. This is a terrible thing to say to Catholics. Bottom line it means Christ was not God. He worked no miracles. No wonder so many Catholics don’t believe in the Real Presence.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 4:52am

Garbage.

Jesus blessed the offering.
A miracle occurred.
All were fed.

It’s so difficult to live under this Freemason.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 5:02am

And what would he say about Our Lord raising the dead- that it was just a case of shaking the bloke to wake him up. His strategy to make Our Faith understandable to the non-believer is backfiring on him big time. I feel quite sad for Pope Francis.

ken
ken
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 6:52am

It’s not even the denial of the miracle that makes this bad, rather the accusation of an ulterior motive. If a miracle occured it was only because Jesus was seeking power/ exhibiting vanity. What a horrible statement from a guy who pretents not to judge.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 6:55am

While I wouldn’t wish it on him, Father Mitch would be a good choice– he pointed out just last week that there were at least two miracles of the Loaves and Fishes.

One with large fish– which would be sea bass, tilapia, where the word for basket is “loose-woven” and the sort used on the warmer end of the sea, which is where you catch those.
One with small fish– which would be sardines, and the word for basket is the tight-woven sort used on the cold end of the sea.

But even then, take a step back and think:
if everybody brought their own lunch, why did they fill the baskets at the end, and have so much left over? And why was Jesus worried about it in the first place?

Nekofanatic
Nekofanatic
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 7:26am

If he didn’t multiply what was there, they wouldn’t have ended up with more than they started with, Francis!

George Haberberger
George Haberberger
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 7:36am

The internet show, The Chosen, ended its second season with the preparations for the Sermon on the Mount. I am very sure the miracle of the MULTIPLICATION of loaves and fishes will be shown next season. The production company is named Loaves and Fishes. Jesus has been shown performing miracles already so I am sure they will not vacillate on this. Great show by the way in case anyone is unaware of it.

Bob Kurland
Admin
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 8:03am

For insight on the process of choosing a pope (the human process, that is) read “Conclave,” by Robert Harris. A disappointing ending, but one typical of this age.

GregB
GregB
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 8:42am

If the multiplication of the loaves and fishes is considered to be an act of vanity and power by the pope, then one wonders what his opinion is about God’s creation of the universe. God created the universe ex nihilo. Talk about straining at the gnat and swallowing a camel.

David WS
David WS
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 9:01am

The gospel according to Francis. To whom the wisdom of the Saints and Tradition of the Church mean nothing. I don’t remember that book being in the Canon. Safe to ignore.
This man continually saws off the branch he is standing on. It might be a while before we take any pope seriously on a daily basis after this character.

Pinky
Pinky
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 9:11am

This is a Jesuit’s sermon, no doubt, which means it doesn’t say what any excerpt from it appears to say. It doesn’t deny miracles. It doesn’t even have a bad message. But it gets from the text to the message in the clumsiest way, like, by stepping on the text repeatedly.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 9:15am

Jesuits: the tribute band that plays no covers.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 9:36am

I heard that shizz out of the mouth of a slippery Anglican vicar nearly 30 years ago.

SouthCoast
SouthCoast
Tuesday, July 27, AD 2021 12:19pm

I’ve heard this before, but it is particularly horrific owing from a Pope.if he truly believes that sharing, rather than multiplication, was the “true” miracle, then the appearance of multiplication is a “false” miracle. IOW, he has called not only the Apostles who witnesed and reported the event outright liars, but also, by extension, called the Lord, Himself, a liar. Does he think these things through, or does he merely grab the nearest shiny object of superficial cleverness that catches his attention? Lord, make haste to help us.

Donald Link
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 8:38am

Popes come and go. Church history is replete with more notorious examples. I will note that the previous tradition of Jesuits refraining from high office in the Church so as to concentrate on their primary mission should probably be revived to their benefit and ours.

Bob Kurland
Admin
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 9:00am

Should I say that “some of my best friends are Jesuits?” (intellectual friends, that is.) Let’s not attribute the bad character of several to the society as a whole.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 10:31am

Let’s not attribute the bad character of several to the society as a whole.

Fair enough. Recall though, Fr. Mankowski’s estimate that 55-60% of those he entered formation with in 1974 ‘had no interest in religion; they were homosexuals hiding in the tall grass”. Recall also the scandals in the California province ca. 2002, which included the province placing on its website pictures of novices engaged in campy mugging; that’s how they were presenting themselves to the world. It’s a gay cult with an odd minority of honest men in it.

Bob Kurland
Admin
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 10:50am

Art Deco, the story of Abraham pleading for Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind. Should we destroy the whole town, if there are 50, 40,…10 good men in it?

Pinky
Pinky
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 12:09pm

Good Jesuits are great. And maybe they’re a higher percentage than they seem to be. But there’s never been an internal reform of the order. Maybe the top-notch Jesuits just can’t get to the critical mass in any area, or maybe it’s their system of obedience.

And it’s just anti-Ignatian to have a Jesuit pope.

John Beutler
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 12:09pm

The Miracles of the Loaves and Fish: 20 Reasons the Revisionist Interpretation is wrong.
All of us know people who can motivate others to share, but do we know anyone who can make things out of nothing, or make them multiply? Many people fall away from the Catholic Church or do not enter it because they do not know or believe that Jesus is God and He is really present in the Blessed Sacrament. Now more than ever, the Catholic Church needs many more witnesses to oppose the dictatorship of relativism and to strongly support belief in the supernatural and the great value of real miracles to help prove the existence of God and the miracle of the Holy Eucharist. A great example of such miracles are the multiplications of the loaves and fish.
1) There is not one shred of evidence in the New Testament that these miracles involved sharing. There is no proof from any Early Doctor or Father of the Church, or old or new saint, who wrote that this involved miracles of sharing. In fact, the Early Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church, who wrote on this topic, say specifically that these were supernatural miracles, where Jesus multiplied loaves and fish. In Bible footnotes and Catholic commentaries, the multiplication of loaves and fish are always described as supernatural miracles. Anyone who says this is a miracle of sharing is required to show proof from the New Testament and from the past 2000 years of Church history, but they cannot do this, because there is no such proof.
2) Nothing is mentioned by Jesus or by the writers of Scripture about the crowds needing to be told to share. There has never been a custom or general practice in Israel for people to carry food in their belongings, hidden and not shared with others. The Jews were not stingy people, nor are they today. They have a long history of being among the most charitable people in the world.
3) St. Mark refers to the multiplication of the loaves as follows – When the Apostles saw Jesus walk on the sea: They were utterly and completely dumbfounded, because they had not seen what the miracle of the loaves meant; their minds were closed (New Jerusalem Bible, Mk. 6:51-52). Creating loaves out of nothing breaks all natural laws just as walking on the sea does. Getting people to share is not a miracle in any sense of the word…. READ MORE AT: https://catholicslovejesus.com/?page_id=263

GregB
GregB
Wednesday, July 28, AD 2021 12:38pm

Bob Kurland the answer to Abraham’s question is in the Bible. In Genesis 19:4-5 it says:
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4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house; 5 and they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
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“all the people to the last man” were at Lot’s door with the gang rape of the angels as their objective. There were zero righteous men in Sodom.

joel
joel
Thursday, July 29, AD 2021 5:55pm

Keep in mind that Steve Skojek also blamed Pope Francis for canonizing Paul VI and also criticized John Paul 2. — This is a sick trend with “rad-trads” , a lack of humility. — The Holy Spirit rules the Church,, He can end Francis’ earthy life at any moment. My guess is that after many years of reading accusations of papal heresy by the rad-trad crowd , Francis decided not to turn the other cheek…. – BTW , he never has said that Our Lord has not worked miracles.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Thursday, July 29, AD 2021 6:43pm

The less charitable part of my being hopes that the next pope squashes the NO mass with the rationale that “some people who participated in the NO mass abused it, some held heretical and quasi-schismatic notions, and some used the mass as a way to attack their more traditional brethren.”

Would we then hear all of the people now attacking TLM talk about the “divisiveness” and “lack of humility” in the NO mass?

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Thursday, July 29, AD 2021 6:48pm

But turning to your comment directly Joel, the controversy is whether the pope said that the multiplication of the loaves and fishes specifically was not miraculous (or at least that it did not involve a real physical miracle.) None of what you said there disputes that. What “rad-trads” say is irrelevant to what the pope did or did not say. Whether the pope has affirmed other miracles is irrelevant to whether he affirmed this miracle.

Now I didn’t hear the popes words, so maybe he did say that the event was truly a miraculous multiplication of food. If so, could you point me to his words to that effect?

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Thursday, July 29, AD 2021 7:00pm

To add to the reasons why it was an actual physical multiplication, and not merely sharing, consider that in the accounts of all four gospels the disciples talk about the great cost of buying food for the multitude, and in every gospel but John it is suggested that the crowds be left to disperse and obtain food from the surrounding villages (with it being stressed that it would be impossible to find food where they were.) Such concerns do not make any sense if most of those present already had food, and indeed some already had it in great abundance.

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