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DJH
DJH
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 4:49am

I thought the MSM had warmed to the idea of the Lab Leak Theory. I figured the various governors (and their willing accomplices in the media) who crushed their economies and, yes, took actions that resulted in the deaths of thousands needed a scape goat.
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Yes, I do think SC2 got out of a lab. Interesting little bug that one, spares children (future workers) and the vast majority of workers while killing thousands of those whose lives are far more likely to depend of government assistance (Soc Sec/Medicare) and costly medical care (care which also ultimately relies on the productivity of healthy workers).
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And if the Elite had just allowed the use of relatively inexpensive Ivermectin and HCQ as an early treatment, a lot of people would not have died of SC2–they might have died of brittle diabetes and heart attacks, things people are familiar with and cannot be threatened by, but not SC2

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 5:58am

The Lab leak theory is gaining momentum, and according to the ex-FDA Director in US, these leaks happen “all the time”.
https://spiritdaily.org/blog/news/ex-fda-director-lab-leaks-happen-all-the-time.

Li-Meng Yan, a Chinese virologist who is hiding in the US after claiming that the Chinese authorities knew about the virus before the initial cases and created it in a military lab
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/chinese-defector-virologist-dr-limeng-yan-publishes-report-claiming-covid19-was-made-in-a-lab/news-story/36decb0c2bca253b696dec0cb665c970

There are also claims Fauci rallied the funding of the Wuhan lab under the Obama administration. The man cannot be trusted- Trumps hunch was probably correct.

China is sabotaging trade relations with countries who claim that Covid was leaked from a Wuhan Lab. Things are quite frosty with China here in Australia because the PM dared to call on an international investigation.

Nations need to rally to demand answers and the next step is justice through accountability for China for the millions who have died and the trillions of dollars in economic loss faced by ordinary people globally.

Let’s see if this ever eventuates.

Don L
Don L
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 6:43am

DJH Don’t forget that those old people targeted by covid are also most likely as a group to be conservatives. Lot’s of reasons for Marxist complicity on this one.

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 7:19am

Per an e-friend, one of the reasons that there’s been “warming” to the “theory” is the specific strains of pangolin and bat corona viruses that are used in research, such as gain of function, match the genes in COVID19.

Since it’s China, it’s just as likely that the original theory of bad lab practices is true as that it was a deliberate attempt to knock off their elderly…and visa-versa.

I know I can’t help noticing that here in the US, the places that ordered nursing homes (the most vulnerable…and expensive) to take known infected people are also ones with serious budget issues.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 7:25am

DJH Don’t forget that those old people targeted by covid are also most likely as a group to be conservatives. Lot’s of reasons for Marxist complicity on this one.

[drums fingers]. As of September 2020, the ratio of COVID deaths to non-COVID deaths over calendar year 2020 was as follows for the following age brackets:

< 25: 0.01
25-34: 0.03
35-44: 0.06
45+: 0.10

There isn’t, in that last bracket much variation by age; people 45-54, 55-64, 65-74 &c have similar ratios. That is to say that after age 45, mortality rates for COVID rise pari passu with those of the sum of non-COVID ailments. Your risk is a function of aging. (It’s also a function of excess weight, which is also correlated with diabetes and blocked up arteries). That’s what you’d expect of any ailment. What is bloody odd is that the mortality rates are so much lower in the Far East than anywhere else in the world.

Nekofanatic
Nekofanatic
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 8:13am

HCQ and similar drugs are already used on a large scale to deal with malaria. They were pre-immunized.

GregB
GregB
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 9:02am

When you look at the medical, social, and economic damage caused by the pandemic it does checkmark many of the biowarfare boxes. If it was accidental, it has been very close to being a biowarfare dress rehearsal.

DJH
DJH
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 10:00am

“What is bloody odd is that the mortality rates are so much lower in the Far East than anywhere else in the world.”
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One of the reasons the US was hit so hard is because our obesity rates are unreal–Michigan especially is bad and according to the Henry Ford Health system, we have high rates of Vit D deficiency–a double whammy. And then of course we house very frail elderly people in various types of institutions. Viruses seem to do quite well in those types of places–especially when Governors like Cuomo and Whitmer send SC2 positive people into nursing homes in an attempt to flattent the curve so the hospitals are not overwhelmed.
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But were we really hit harder than the Far East? I don’t know if we will know for sure without some serious mathemetics, stats, and investigative work involved. It is not like we can trust the governing authorities to give us a true account of who died of SC2, who died in a motorcycle accident, and died or brittle diabetes, and who died of old age.
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I read a news report some months back that claimed, based on cell phone data, that China lost a lot more people to SC2 than they are letting on. But was it really SC2? Old age? Lung disease because of heavy air pollution?
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https://epochtimes.today/21-million-fewer-cellphone-users-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll/

DJH
DJH
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 10:10am

“I know I can’t help noticing that here in the US, the places that ordered nursing homes (the most vulnerable…and expensive) to take known infected people are also ones with serious budget issues.”
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Back when this started over a year ago, a woman at the club (of Asian extraction, but I am not sure what country) noted that China had . . . too few children to support the elderly and needed a way to . . . balance things out. This virus seems to have an appetite for the elderly (as noted again and again).

China has figured out it has got a population imbalance and is trying to fix it: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Beijing-allows-up-to-three-children-per-married-couple-53286.html
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Tom Byrne
Tom Byrne
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 2:32pm

I have no truck with Pooh Bear and his PRC, but find some of the speculations entered into here seem rather unscientific. To engineer a virus to kill non-Asians but not Asians seems almost impossible, and since viruses always mutate would run a huge and near-certain risk of eventually blowback, unless a good vaccine were ready to hand (and clearly the Chinese don’t have one). To systematically kill off the aged is also risky, since once it was known (and it could not be hidden long), anyone within a decade or so of the cut-off (pardon the expression) would find a strong incentive to revolt, and even the PRC could not survive hundreds of millions of disaffected citizens. So I don’t think the Wuhan virus was deliberately released, although once it got out the state put the best face on it possible, with the help of lackey capitalists and media in the West.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:18pm

One of the reasons the US was hit so hard is because our obesity rates are unreal

We weren’t hit particularly hard compared to other countries, and no, our obesity rates are not ‘unreal’.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:22pm

To engineer a virus to kill non-Asians but not Asians seems almost impossible,

Well, they managed to accomplish it.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:28pm

But were we really hit harder than the Far East?

Worldometers has been publishing conveniently formatted data for over a year. Cumulative deaths per 1,000,000

Czech Republic: 2,800
Brazil: 2,160
Britain: 1,870
US: 1,830
Mexico: 1,720
France: 1,680
Sweden: 1,420
Germany: 1,060
Russia: 830
Philippines: 190
Japan: 103
Malaysia: 85
Burma: 59
S. Korea: 38

Foxfier
Admin
Reply to  Tom Byrne
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:32pm

To engineer a virus to kill non-Asians but not Asians

Uh…where is that theorized?

China has no issues killing their own people. In fact, they’d consider “killing off folks over 60, especially if they have health issues,” to be a big plus, so long as the Party Loyal are protected.

As was pointed out from right at the start– a disease that is not even seasonal flu level danger in those under 30 unless they’re already quite ill would be EXACTLY what China would like.


We weren’t hit particularly hard compared to other countries, and no, our obesity rates are not ‘unreal’.

In agreement with Art- even with padded reporting (NYC including those refused treatment as presumptive COVID deaths, rather than 911 calls refused treatment), our rates aren’t that out there by population, and even when using a screening tool as a diagnosis tool (BMI) the obesity rate of the US isn’t that far out. The rate of those who are in the BMI screening of over weight is one of the highest in the world…but that is also the BMI category associated with the best health outcomes.
Because BMI is a screening tool. Not a diagnosis tool. It is meant to rule out those who could not reasonably have a specific health issue, to limit how many resources are wasted in testing.
It is also known to deal poorly with non-European, male, adult populations, or anybody outside of roughly 19th century average size.

As a screening tool, it’s not bad. As a diagnosis tool, it’s worth than useless.

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:35pm

When one considers that socialized medicine countries will refuse to treat those categorized as “over weight” by BMI, even when that has repeatedly been shown to be the group with the highest rate of positive outcomes in solid studies, the different results of BMI measurements by country gets rather grim, rather quickly.

That’s BEFORE one considers that it’s a known issue that those individuals of highly African or Neanderthal ancestry tend to have much higher BMI than their body fat can account for.

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:39pm

An aspect of World of Meter’s data not mentioned, is those are as defined by the country.
The US used a “could be, thus report it as” metric. At points to the ludicrous– the notorious motorcycle accident after a positive test being recorded as a COVID death.

More places used “must have positive test” as a metric, and IIRC Germany for at least some time didn’t even bother considering any nursing home deaths as COVID cases, because …well, those folks were a sneeze from the edge; saying “this thing killed them” is nuts. (Not actually unreasonable– my mom has been exclaiming since I was a tot that someone who is 104 did not “die of pneumonia,” they died of being incredibly old, that’s just what made them stumble.)

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 3:41pm

Before someone tries to do the “exception that proves the rule”– we found out about the motor cycle accident because the medical authority for that Arizona county actively defended it because absolutely all deaths that happened after a positive test would be reported thus.
And yes, there were also gunshot death examples reported as COVID deaths.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 4:17pm

The IHME is outright counting all “excess” deaths (i.e. deaths above predictions from previous years) as COVID deaths. See here:

http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths

But if you read into that paper it gets even more fun. They claim that counting all excess deaths as COVID deaths likely underestimates the number of COVID deaths. You see, the lockdowns (unintentionally) prevented traffic deaths and may have slowed the spread of other diseases. So, according to the IHME, with a lockdown we should have been below the number of excess deaths and as such some of the “expected” deaths are actually COVID deaths. Similarly a lot of people who died were elderly or very sick, and were expected to die of heart attacks or common natural causes. But since many of them died of COVID instead that’s even more of the “expected” deaths which are actually COVID deaths, or so the IHME says.

The kicker is that they admit that the lockdowns also unintentionally killed people (ex. people who didn’t get treatment for chronic conditions, people killing themselves out of depression caused by isolation, people without the ability to receive proper treatment because they were broke. etc.) But they dismiss this by saying that no one has a good way to estimate those deaths, so in their models they simply assume no one died from any of those causes (and so in effect they are counted as having died from COVID instead.)

Foxfier
Admin
Monday, May 31, AD 2021 4:31pm

sad expression I’ve got three folks who are not old enough to be COVID risk who are now late stage cancer diagnosis, all ‘diagnosed right after it was allowed to try to get diagnosed again’.

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