Pope Francis loves all American Catholics, except:
He also praised the work of the Church in the United States, calling it courageous, generous and humble.
POPE FRANCIS
“It welcomes immigrants, and what the Church does for immigrants is huge, no? It’s generous, because the Church in the United States has many economic possibilities, and it gives aid generously. FLASH The Church [in the U.S.] is very alive, very very alive. There are perhaps traditionalist groups, but we have those here in the Vatican too. This can be healed.”
Go here to read the rest. The Pope makes it very clear that there are Catholics, and there are Catholics.
Ah yes, coprophilia.
A word hidden in the dark corners of sexual deviancy. This pope has used it on several occasions. Disgusting is being polite.
The good news is he won’t be the person judging on that final day….just another soul in line to be judged like the rest of us.
The good news is he won’t be the person judging on that final day….just another soul in line to be judged like the rest of us.
For my sake I hope that God has a great sense of humor and grades on the curve!
“FLASH The Church [in the U.S.] is very alive, very very alive. There are perhaps traditionalist groups, but we have those here in the Vatican too. This can be healed.”
How does his brain jump from talking about immigration to bad trads? I think it may be a bit of projection because even Fr. Martin notes the growth (hence life) of the traditional faction of the Church. The USCCB faction of the Church is the one that is dying thus the need to import replacements.
So – in my life I have been fairly accused of being too easily offended. So I sometimes follow Archie Bunker’s advice and “stifle it “.
But “stifling” or “laughing it off” doesn’t really do anyone any good does it ?
“How does his brain jump from talking about immigration to bad trads?”
The answer is generosity. Francis sees openness to immigration as the ultimate act of generosity, of going beyond the expected, and traditionalists as being the most rule-bound.
Pinky, you speak Francis pretty well.
Francis hits the sympathetic chords !
But is he giving what is not his to give?
Is he giving generously or is he destroying
He has no apparent sympathy for the people effected by his rash generational theft. His call is to to protect and preserve the Faith and the Faithful
giving other people’s goods is not generous.
Open your door and be Generous to the people who can bring down your house, but, that is not generous to your little baby girl.
I’m not saying he’s right. It completely misses the point of what motivates traditionalists. We can be a bit grumpy, and we don’t always explain ourselves well – when we’re smart we let the liturgy talk for itself. But we don’t hold onto the past because it’s ours; we hold onto the eternal because it’s God’s.
“Francis sees openness to immigration as the ultimate act of generosity, of going beyond the expected, and traditionalists as being the most rule-bound.” Yes probably true however good rules are good (talking as a daughter of immigrant parents who taught us to follow the rules). The Church is a Universal Church and although Traditionalists don’t appeal to all (myself included) I don’t see them watering down the good rules. There’s a lot to be thankful for with them. The Holy Father didn’t need to take a swipe at them. You could feel the sting in his comment. And he basically cancelled out his message on generosity by doing so. He needs to dialogue with them cause as it stands he is driving a wedge.
The answer is generosity. Francis sees openness to immigration as the ultimate act of generosity, of going beyond the expected, and traditionalists as being the most rule-bound.
Well, Francis doesn’t know sh!t from apple butter. Deficits in the standard of living can be addressed by the development of human capital in situ, to which impediments to said development can be removed.
The Bible has two immigration stories that illustrate good immigration and bad immigration. The good immigration is found in the Book of Ruth. Ruth 1:15-18:
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15 And she said, “See, your sister-in-law has gone back to her people and to her gods; return after your sister-in-law.” 16 But Ruth said, “Entreat me not to leave you or to return from following you; for where you go I will go, and where you lodge I will lodge; your people shall be my people, and your God my God; 17 where you die I will die, and there will I be buried. May the Lord do so to me and more also if even death parts me from you.” 18 And when Na′omi saw that she was determined to go with her, she said no more.
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Ruth was King David’s great-grandmother.
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The bad immigration was in the same family. It is the story of King Solomon and his foreign wives. 1 Kings 11:1-6:
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Now King Solomon loved many foreign women: the daughter of Pharaoh, and Moabite, Ammonite, E′domite, Sido′nian, and Hittite women, 2 from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the people of Israel, “You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods”; Solomon clung to these in love. 3 He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart. 4 For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ash′toreth the goddess of the Sido′nians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord, and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done.
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This led to the division of King Solomon’s kingdom. Don a ways back you and I got into a discussion about King David. This text is the proof that King David’s heart was wholly true to God. Sinner that he was his heart was always true to God.
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The point of this is that a people need to have a shared culture to avoid falling into factions. Faction is the poisoned fruit of identity politics.
People will invariably fall into factions. What they need would be elements which contain and regulate disputes, among them a sense we’re all in the same boat. What we have now is what Mr. Sailer calls ‘leapfrogging loyalties’ in contrast to the concentric loyalties which are normal in collectivities. Those with leapfrogging loyalties favor exotics over those proximate to them because they actually despise those proximate to them. We’ve known for some years that a segment of the professional-managerial class despised those of us not in their mascot groups. What we’ve discovered is that a phenomenon once confined to the word merchant element and small sectors adjacent has now spread throughout that class. They’re able to carry along their dependents and hangers on, their mascots, their clients.