“I will wipe up all the blood shed with a handkerchief of mine.”
A. W. Venable, North Carolina secessionist, predicting how much blood would be shed prior to the start of the first Civil War.
From Instapudit:
AN ANALYSIS FROM JOHN HINDERAKER: Texas Throws a Hail Mary. “The Texas motion and supporting brief are well-drafted and make a plausible case–importantly, one that, if accepted, does not require extensive fact-finding into alleged voter fraud. Reduced to its essentials, the motion alleges 1) that under the Constitution’s Electors Clause, state legislatures have plenary authority over appointment of each state’s electors; 2) that in each of the defendant states, non-legislative actors (e.g., the Secretary of State) unconstitutionally changed the rules governing this year’s election without legislative approval or ratification; 3) that these changes favored some voters over others, in violation of the Equal Protection Clause; and 4) in each state, the number of ballots that were counted pursuant to unconstitutional changes in election procedures exceeds the margin of Joe Biden’s alleged victory.”
UPDATE: From the comments: “I wonder if the left, and the court realize this is a hail mary to prevent a civil war, not to keep trump in office. 30% of democrats and 80+% of republicans think the election was stolen. That is a loss of legitimacy of the nation’s governments from the state level through the federal.”
They are children playing with nitroglycerin, so no, they won’t realize that. At least, not in time, I’m afraid.
God help our nation. Go here to comment.
The 2020 election case decision by SCOTUS is the most important decision the court will ever make. If they decide for Biden it will be Constitutional suicide, the effective end of America and the need for SCOTUS itself.
This is a hell of an analogy;
“They are children playing with nitroglycerin, so no, they won’t realize that. At least, not in time, I’m afraid.”
Their hatred for Trump has lit a fuse. The media has helped in every despicable way possible.
Don’t tread on US.
Armed people stood out SoS J Benson’s home while she was decorating her Christmas tree with her son. No one fired a shot, but it’s ugly. And understandable. (Some reports said Benson was lying, as the MSP said the group was small and left peaceably).
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A group on FB (Michigan freedom fund-something like that) said the protestors crossed a line. Many followers on the page flatly disagreed, especially since those on the Left dox and harass citizens in this matter on a routine basis.
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A number of people in our State of Michigan have nothing to loose. Broken people with nothing to loose can be very dangerous indeed. So far they are just opening their restaurants, but what happens when the police show up and padlock the doors and the judges impose a crushing fine? With the first round of shutdowns, my town banded together to help our restaurants and businesses as best we could. I have heard of no effort with the second one. No surprises, as we are all running out of money.
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So, a person is hungry, possibly homeless, mentally breaking apart, crushing legal fees and fines, and maybe facing jail time. Having lost everything, what might that person do?
“I wonder if the left, and the court realize this is a hail mary to prevent a civil war, not to keep trump in office.
Bingo.
Praying.
Lots. Of. Praying.
DJH-
I hate the habit of going to folks’ houses to “protest.”
That said…
I hate it because it is a threat. “We know where you live, and will violate social norms to be there.”
One which the left routinely uses, on the slightest of causes. My cousin in California had her house surrounded and “protested” by a large, loud, physically threatening mob, because there was a rumor that they’d considered a contract to support a company building the border wall.
They hadn’t even considered it, because they’re lefties. Didn’t save them.
With apologies to John Harington, Vote fraud never prevails. What’s the reason? For when it prevails, none dare call it vote fraud.
They (the China fifth column: the academy, Beijing Biden, Bloomberg, thousands of Chinese spies, CNN, Cook, Gates, NYT, brains-in-his-pants Swallwell, millions of illegal alien votes, …) stole our Republic.
If, God forbid, the steal prevails, 20 January 2021 will be Red Dawn.
Lower down on Instapundit, Glenn R. takes up the question of how much ammo is sufficient.
Foxfier,
“They” come to Maple Avenue and they’ll be caught in a crossfire between me and my cross-the-street neighbor.
Serious talk here in Texas of secession. Allegedly, the Congressional enactment admitting Texas to the Union contained an escape clause permitting secession upon vote of the Legislature. I’ve not actually seen that. But people around here are not joking when they discuss the possibility of exiting the USA. It is coming up regularly on local talk radio.
This boggles my mind. But perhaps I am too easily boggled.
I am generally pleased with the preasure the President brought to bear on elections generally.
Would careful counting and recounting have occurred without his influence? I don’t think so and at least two U.S. Rep decisions were affected by it. it follows that many down-ballot results look different for that effort.
That should concern us because it points to the broader truth that a distinct lack of professionalism attends our elections. Just regular inattentiveness and incompetence cause much mischief. For example, a friend who was Judge of Elections learned from her staff that not one of the volunteers had taken the on-line training or read their packets. With no allowed shake-out run-through the day before, it is a wonder things go as smoothly as they do.
I’m not surprised that there is fraud or even that the Left, ever happy to engage in criminality for a cause, is both the beneficiary and the architect of it. What surprises me is that things go as smoothly and as well as they do. That’s a testiment to us as a people.
If the President brought attention to the problems, he will have done us yet another great good.
Serious talk here in Texas of secession. Allegedly, the Congressional enactment admitting Texas to the Union contained an escape clause permitting secession upon vote of the Legislature. I’ve not actually seen that.
Because no such provision exists. Go to the limk below to read the treaty:
http://thetexasrepublic.com/history-of-this-republic/1845-annexation-agreement/
Now, Texas could split up into four states under the terms of the treaty.
Eh… it’s reaching the point the war would be a refreshing change of pace because then at least they would forced to be honest about their hatred of us.
All ya had to do was to leave people alone.
The fact that some thirty courts (state and federal, trial and appellate, with both Republican and Democrat judges) have uniformly rejected Trump voter-fraud claims must suggest something even to the demented. As far as the USSC goes, the TX case is hardly a “controversy between two or more states” as that clause has been defined by prior cases.
The fact that some thirty courts (state and federal, trial and appellate, with both Republican and Democrat judges) have uniformly rejected Trump voter-fraud claims must suggest something even to the demented.
No more than Bush lost all of his cases in lower courts in 2000 before winning before the Supreme Count.
As far as the USSC goes, the TX case is hardly a “controversy between two or more states” as that clause has been defined by prior cases.
You are incorrect on that.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-3/section-2/clause-1/suits-between-two-or-more-states
To be blunt about it, a controversy exists between the states when the court rules that such a controversy exists.
Courts meddle a great deal, but don’t protect us very much. And the courts have uniformly failed to do so in this case.
I’m not expecting a civil war, just a loss of interest in adhering to the law as it’s become increasingly clear that court proceedings are just gamesmanship. Elections are now crooked pantomimes. Wide swaths of our mediasphere, academe, and political class are now compromised by China.
The real problem is that much of the political class is frankly criminal and about half the public pretends it isn’t happening or thinks it is just find as long as their social enemies are gored. This is downstream from the rejection of moral rules in favor of con jobs and sentimental mush.
John! You changed your name to Bob!
Still trying the whole “say the same falsehood while ignoring corrections” thing, to the point of near identical phrasing.
Re: the Texas statehood issue, thanks, Don.
The four-state thing is intriguing. I had heard rumors of that but was also too lazy to research it. Might be a way to counteract the forcing of statehood for DC and P.R. Fun speculation but I’d wager none of it will happen. We may be too busy killing each other. Hoping and praying that doesn’t come to pass.
Foxfier.
:>)
Your a gem.
‘Pierre Delecto’ sighting.
Foxfier:
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Having had my house damaged and most of my possessions destroyed (granted, it was mostly just junk, and God did me a good turn by it, but still…), I hate the thought of protesters on my front door step. And you are absolutely right: it’s a threat.
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But I just cannot work up any sympathy for Benson. Or if it comes to that, Nessel (the AG), Tyrant Gretchen, Dr Kalduhn (CME of Health Dept). They keep poking at the bears with a sharp stick.
“John! You changed your name to Bob!
Still trying the whole “say the same falsehood while ignoring corrections” thing, to the point of near identical phrasing.”
What are you talking about?
Re Texas and 4 states. Would city states make any difference? Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, Houston, etc Of course the city states would want to try annexing the suburbs as we have seen frequently in cities all over the country. If liberal these city states would probably tax themselves out of existence. Most would not enjoy the oil revenue or that from manufacturing out side the city limits.. The plus is that the rest of the state wouldn’t have to support the city states. Eventually the city state citizens would be fed up and miserable enough to elect conservative, business friendly mayors/presidents.
I worry about my birth state Texas with all the Californians fleeing to SW states. I know family members in Florida are not happy about New Yorkers fleeing to their state and bringing COVID-19 and their liberal politics with them.
JFK, not aimed at you. It’s an obnoxious lefty John that coments every so often on this blog.
nod As CAM says– there’s been a John-no-custom-icon-or-modifiers who shows up and bemoans how he can’t believe there’s counter-narrative statements on a Catholic blog, and asserts the vote fraud claims have been “uniformly rejected”.
Don has had to point out the same blessed thing about how, exactly, the claim is misleading and/or false, at least four times.
(Given how many folks call me Fox, you can imagine how I feel.)
I do. My REAL name IS John Fitzgerald Kennedy (I almost mistakenly chose the same Confirmation name). There are a ton of other John Kennedys out there and even more JFKs. The good thing is that I suspect it is harder to look things up on “me” on the internet.
I had wondered; user names are generally chosen to say something (mine is mis-spelled in part for easier identification) and you did not seem the sort to, ah, idolize the American Camelot.
He is a dark blot on the family name.
Bob,
We Know What You Did Early Four AM On 4 November – Stole The Election.
Follow the science. The odds of China Joe honestly/legally overcoming President Trump’s late Election night lead in four swing states were “less than one in one quadrillion.” Follow the science.
T. Shaw: If what you say is true, why did not some 30 courts (to repeat: state and federal, trial and appellate, with Republican and Democrat judges) “follow the science”?
Oh, goodie, your facts are so sound that you must use a fallacy– appeal to authority– rather than evidence, and failed to respond to Donald’s response!
T. Shaw: If what you say is true, why did not some 30 courts (to repeat: state and federal, trial and appellate, with Republican and Democrat judges) “follow the science”?
Which 30 courts, and what was the basis of their rulings?
But are the 30% of Democrats who recognize it was stolen angry or happy about the theft?
As for partitioning Texas into four states, unless one of those gerrymanders Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin and El Paso into one of them, you would just be handing the left 6 new senators. No thanks.
Secession is a question of force, not law. No such thing as the “right” to secede, only the ability. Doubt any single state could get away with it, only if enough did it at the same time or if all 50 agree they have had enough of each other and decide to part company.
CAM–
I was thinking about that very thing…many of us outside the core blue cities would love to see them lumped together as a single state and leave the rest of us to our own devices. But it probably wouldn’t be that easy. I think you’re right in the other particulars you listed, though. And yes, we in the suburbs are watching a gradual inching toward the Dark Side thanks to imports from CA and the Pacific NW who flee the results of ultra-leftist state and local governments only to vote for the same kinds of idiocy when they get here. We are, according to a couple of stories I’ve seen reported in the local media, being saved by legal immigrants, who tend to be much less inclined to such voting habits than their “undocumented” counterparts.
@Bob- bullies chase down the witnesses. In what world is that a fair election?
https://youtu.be/rNM3K0cH2tc
Latest on Texas suit as heard on the radio – 17 states have joined the suit.
Also You tube announced that since some states (8) have ratified O’Biden it is taking down all election fraud videos. Like that’s going to make a difference to us. As more whitleblowers come forward with videos of the crooks there will still be ways to see them.
I can’t help but be a little amused by some of you yanks talking about secession. I thought that was settled over 150 years ago. We secessionist lost, but each faction had more in common then than now. If possible without violence, it may now be the most reasonable solution. Neither side is going to convert the other and a creeping tyranny will overwhelm this nation.
All the comments about secession in this thread are in response to Frank’s comment about “serious talk of secession” in Texas. So I don’t understand what there is to be amused about in this thread.
Thanks, Ernst. In my original comment I certainly did not advocate that action, nor has anyone else here.
Art Deco nailed it: “Elections are now crooked pantomimes.”
The same a perfect description of the “judicial system” and its court hearings. Ask Gen. Flynn.