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Body Cam Footage of Floyd Arrest

 

For this cities burned and people were murdered.  Interesting that this is brought to us by an English paper, The Daily Mail.  Go here to see more footage.

 

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David Spaulding
David Spaulding
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 6:18am

I think it does better help me understand why the officers made some of the choices they did. I still don’t understand the cold, seemingly unmoved killing that ends the incident though.

What does touch me about it is the pleading and the panic. You can see him getting more and more panicked as the incident goes on. Time wasn’t on the officers’ sides as the crowd gathered so they never dealt with it and I wonder how different the outcome would have been if they had had the space and time to calm things. He wasn’t an immediate threat; he was just uncooperative.

I am more and more contemplating satan’s role in human experience. Free to manipulate time and space to our disadvantage, I think that, if we look for it, we see seeming conincidences are part of a parallel series of plans which are oriented to each person’s destruction.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 6:52am

I think it does better help me understand why the officers made some of the choices they did. I still don’t understand the cold, seemingly unmoved killing that ends the incident though.

What you ‘don’t understand’ is the issue of your imagination. The quantum of fentanyl in his femoral blood (11 nanograms per cc) is what is commonly seen in overdose deaths. NB, that’s his blood level as measured in his leg vessels, so it’s after whatever quantum he’d taken had been metabolized and spread through the circulatory system of his very large body. And of course, there were three other street drugs in his system and the coroner avers he had ‘severe’ coronary artery disease and his neck was uninjured (i.e. he hadn’t been strangled). The literature surveying autopsy reports is available to the coroner. Mrs. Donald McClarey and her daughter can likely cadge some pdf print offs to send to you.

Keith Ellison has been sitting on this video for eight weeks. We’re very fortunate that the British press aren’t court stenographers for the Democratic Party and do actual reporting. And, now we understand why he was placed on the ground: being placed in the car either caused him severe upset or he pretended it did; he was on the ground due to his problems and preferences. The leg hold with which he was restrained is used by some police departments and not others.

And, of course, we know they called the ambulance. However, the ambulance arrived too late to help him.

What we know now is that Derek Chauvin is a political prisoner. As for the people who have been vilifying him for the last eight weeks, we will soon learn that 60% of them will double-down in some fashion, 38% will fall silent, and 2% will make an admission of error. And, no, Amnesty International will never classify Derek Chauvin as a ‘prisoner of conscience’. That’s reserved for cop killers like Wesley Cook (aka ‘Mumia abu Jamal’).

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 8:20am

From this footage, it seems clear Floyd is under the influence of drugs that is inducing a great deal of anxiety. It could be he’s engaging in theatrics as well.

In my non legal or law enforcement expert opinion, a don’t see grounds for a murder conviction. Maybe depraved indifference. Floyd is uncooperative, but not really fighting either. Nor does he seem like much of a threat.

It also strikes me as poor police work.

Of course, this doesn’t justify cities burning. But then again, it was never about this. It was a pretext for the left to engage what I am inclined to believe is violent insurrection. Multiple cities. Practically the same M.O. across the board. All done with at least the tacit approval of left wing democrat mayors and governors, in many cases.

If Chauvin walks, and he just might, what we are seeing is just a prelude. I also think there may be rioting if Trump gets re-elected.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 8:29am

In my non legal or law enforcement expert opinion, a don’t see grounds for a murder conviction. Maybe depraved indifference.

Depraved indifference to what? They called the ambulance, the ambulance did not arrive in time. The officers did not coke him to the gills on fentanyl or any of the other three drugs in his system.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 8:30am

It also strikes me as poor police work.

What would ‘better’ police work have looked like?

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 8:45am

As to the depraved indifference, I qualify that with a maybe. But also Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd long after Floyd stopped moving. Bystanders were actually pointing that out. And from the lack of force with which Floyd was resisting, he could have held down without the being knelt on like that. In the initial approach to Floyd inside the car, there was no attempt to try to calm Floyd down. It looked pretty poor to me. From scores of body cam footage I have seen from similar situations, the approaching officer was far more calm himself made more of an effort to calm the suspect down. However, I would be interested in another cop’s take on that situation. From

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 9:32am

He was on fent, and meth.

And he was acting like he was on meth. That’s really, really dangerous because it basically bypasses the “Don’t break yourself” limits on the human body, and you can go from resting to throwing someone twice your size across the room.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 9:50am

As to the depraved indifference, I qualify that with a maybe. But also Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd long after Floyd stopped moving. Bystanders were actually pointing that out.

And he takes his knee off and Floyd starts moving again. You seem to think he should have anticipated everything that subsequently transpired quite precisely instead of being guided by his experience and training which would take into account a range of possibilities.

And from the lack of force with which Floyd was resisting, he could have held down without the being knelt on like that.

You don’t know that.

In the initial approach to Floyd inside the car, there was no attempt to try to calm Floyd down.

A police officer is not your mother. His job is order maintenance, and that means establishing dominance right away.

CAM
CAM
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 10:10am

At the request of the family a second autopsy was performed by an outside pathologist (pathologist to the stars type) that found no illegal drugs in Floyd’s body.
Two autopsies with very different findings, how is that going to work out at the trial?
By the way little mention is made of the reason the police were called: Floyd purchased cigarettes with a $20 bill that failed the counterfeit pen swipe. He was confronted in his car with that fact by the shopkeeper who asked him if he had another $20 in lieu of the suspect bill. Answer no. The shopkeeper then asked for the cigarette pack back. Answer no. That’s when the shopkeeper called the police to report the counterfeit bill and said that Floyd seemed under the influence. Floyd was anxious. No wonder, he’s caught under the influence and passing a counterfeit, a federal crime, which would mean back to prison.

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 10:17am

For years, public schools, the academy and lying media have provoked racial hate with disingenuous fabrications that police officers daily murder [thousands] of innocent black men. This lying propaganda causes numerous violent riots all over America.

From my list of logical fallacies. One theliars go-to logical fallacies is Conflating The Extreme/Extremely Rare with The Norm . . .

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 10:29am

“Interesting that this is brought to us by an English paper”

Well, if you want to get that video out to the public, there’s sure no point in leaking it to an American paper now, is there?

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 10:39am

At the request of the family a second autopsy was performed by an outside pathologist (pathologist to the stars type) that found no illegal drugs in Floyd’s body.
Two autopsies with very different findings, how is that going to work out at the trial?

My impression about that second “autopsy” is that it was a “review” of the coroner’s report, not a real autopsy. So I’m inclined to interpret that “no drugs found’ claim as sophistry.

Maybe I’m wrong.

SDN
SDN
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 11:08am

Or at best reviewed before the tox screen actually came back.
As far as the arrest, I’ll keep saying what I’ve said all along. Until the handcuffs clicked, there wasn’t an issue. Once they clicked, he should have been repostioned. That he wasn’t, in spite of their knowledge of positional asphyxia as a danger, is where we get depraved indifference.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 11:11am

At the request of the family a second autopsy was performed by an outside pathologist (pathologist to the stars type) that found no illegal drugs in Floyd’s body. Two autopsies with very different findings, how is that going to work out at the trial?

Hearse chaser Michael Baden never conducted any autopsy. He reviewed the video.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 11:12am

So I’m inclined to interpret that “no drugs found’ claim as sophistry.

It’s not sophistry. It’s just false.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 11:17am

CAM-
I can find no source for the report from Allecia Wilson and Michael Baden saying there were no drugs. In fact, the only thing I can find is multiple mentions that they didn’t release the text– only had the doctors comment on it, or their lawyer cite it.

The only places that give any comment on how it was done note that Baden went to Minneapolis for the review. I am not sure if that is a term of art, though.

Tacitcally speaking, if they HAD done a blood test and found nothing but tobacco and coffee in his system, that would be a much, much more effective club than “our guy says it was compression and underlying conditions didn’t contribute to his death“.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 11:20am

“Found no drugs” or “didn’t find drugs” being used when what is meant is “didn’t look” is both sophistry and a falsehood; “found there were no drugs” would be simply false.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 11:21am

Also, it wasn’t at the family’s request— their lawyer hired the second set.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 12:43pm

Until the handcuffs clicked, there wasn’t an issue. Once they clicked, he should have been repostioned. That he wasn’t, in spite of their knowledge of positional asphyxia as a danger, is where we get depraved indifference.

If what I’ve read elsewhere is true, here’s the problem with proving that: he was alive, and presumably breathing when they loaded him into the ambulance.

Rudolph Harrier
Rudolph Harrier
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 1:02pm

If you search around you can find bodycam videos of traffic stops and the like that went wrong. I’m not going to link to any, but you can find them fairly easily.

In many of these videos there are people who are acting polite, and not at all erratic like George Floyd was. Then the police ask to investigate whether a bulge in the suspect’s pants is a weapon, or ask for an ID so they can run it through the system, or move to arrest the suspect on some charge. Suddenly the suspect pulls a weapon and attacks the officers before running away. The suspect can go from polite “yes I understand officer I’m just a little nervous” to murderous violence in less than a second.

So I don’t have a lot of sympathy to people saying that officers should not have been prepared to use force against George Floyd, who was highly erratic and who repeatedly disobeyed orders from the officers starting from the very beginning of the encounter.

CAM
CAM
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 2:06pm

It will be an interesting trial. So it seems that the second autopsy as the press calls it was not a full autopsy; there was no independent toxicology. Their findings were released before the County’s toxicology report was.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-michael-baden-factors-responsible-george-floyd-death of 5 June.
“Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist hired by the family of George Floyd to perform a second autopsy, discusses the pressure to Floyd’s back and how that contributed to his death.”
“A press release from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner said that Floyd, who struggled to breathe as an officer pinned him down by kneeling on his neck, had “recent methamphetamine use” and “fentanyl intoxication” – along with hypertension and coronary artery disease – all of which were possible contributing factors to his death.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/independent-autopsy-finds-floyd-died-by-strangulation-that-it-was-a-homicide/
“But two doctors who carried out that independent autopsy of Floyd, 46, and two attorneys for the family said that he had no underlying health conditions that may have contributed to his death. They argued that not only the officer who was kneeing Floyd’s neck killed him, but also two officers who were pressing their weight onto Floyd’s back while he was on the ground. They added that they did not have information on toxicology and any drug or alcohol use by Floyd. Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan, one of the two forensic doctors who performed the independent autopsy, said the evidence pointed to homicide by “mechanical asphyxia” meaning from some physical force that interfered with oxygen supply. “

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 2:38pm

Train wrecks are always interesting, CAM. As long as you’re not part of it.

Art Deco
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 4:53pm

“But two doctors who carried out that independent autopsy of Floyd, 46, and two attorneys for the family said that he had no underlying health conditions that may have contributed to his death. They argued that not only the officer who was kneeing Floyd’s neck killed him, but also two officers who were pressing their weight onto Floyd’s back while he was on the ground. They added that they did not have information on toxicology and any drug or alcohol use by Floyd. Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan, one of the two forensic doctors who performed the independent autopsy, said the evidence pointed to homicide by “mechanical asphyxia” meaning from some physical force that interfered with oxygen supply. “

Well, we know that’s hooey. Michael Baden chose to involve himself in this mendacious PR campaign, so his reputation is properly shot. (Not that it was great to begin with).

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 4:54pm

This article claims Baden did perform an independent autopsy on Floyd. If memory serves me correctly, he concurred with the ME’s autopsy about the drugs being in his system.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-michael-baden-factors-responsible-george-floyd-death

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 5:04pm

I wonder if the defense will motion for a change of venue and if a change of venue would matter given the national attention this trial will attract.

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 6:01pm

An all white jury would be under just as much, if not more, pressure to deliver a guilty verdict with the whole white guilt issue and all. A fair trial for Chauvin is going to be an uphill battle it seems in any case.

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 7:01pm

I could just imagine how an acquittal from a rural jury would go over with the BLM and ANTIFA thugocracy. As we are seeing now, these leftist dem mayors and governors (in states with dem governors) have no compunction letting these thugs burn down their cities.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, August 4, AD 2020 7:28pm

If it’s moved it will be to Stearns County (St. Cloud) or Olmsted (Rochester). Assuming the prosecution loses the argument to at least keep it in the metro counties.

Art Deco
Wednesday, August 5, AD 2020 6:10am

Rural juries tend to have precious little white guilt in my experience.

So do urban areas. You have a few people undone by guilt, and many more whose thinking is addled by self-aggrandizing tendencies.

Did you catch that the name of the founding dean of the University of Rochester Medical Center has been stripped from dedicated facilities (by the current pipsqueak in response to baying fools among the medical students)? Hollow men do not value actual accomplishment, nor do they appreciate the efforts of previous generations.

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