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Josh
Josh
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 4:36am

Exactly. “Just wait until it’s free!”

Art Deco
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 5:48am

The problem with designing a system to provide and finance medical care and long-term care is that no system can satisfy all the preferences people have. There are always trade-offs. You have to pick something and live with the downside of that something. Congress and state legislators are unwilling to do that, so we’re left with a puzzling patchwork.

The Bruised Optimist
The Bruised Optimist
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 10:23am

There was just a delivery by a woman in Britain who had had a uterus transplant. The event has been much applauded as a technical success.

However, the first thing that came to my mind was how they used all those doctors, all that hospital time for a very elective surgery. While they were doing that, how many British died waiting for care? Vile system.

Tom Byrne
Tom Byrne
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 1:41pm

Art:
While 19th and 20th century advances in medicine often returned working-age folks to the workplace, most advances today extend the life of those well beyond working age at a time when (because of lower birthrates) fewer younger workers are around to tax to make up the difference. Even socialist economies can’t run on air.

The Bruised Optimist
The Bruised Optimist
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 2:21pm

Tom-

Actually, socialist economies run on err. 🤣

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 3:17pm

In Australia we have both Public and Private healthcare. Bulk billed Medical Centres allows a person to see the doctor (GP) through their Medicare (government funded Healthcare system) OR you can choose a doctor that bills patients. We go to one that bills adults but bulk bills kids. Sometimes the doctor may decide that day to bulk bill for whatever reason.

Likewise with hospitals, there is choose to go to Public and Private hospitals. Some Public Hospitals are better than others. If you choose to have Private Health cover then in the case you end up in hospital your Private health insurance along with Medicare pays for you to be treated at a Private hospital. The specialist however, can charge whatever they want. It’s usually higher than a specialist in the public system because of the liability insurance the doctor has to personally pay.

The Public system is overwhelmed already and without Private Hospitals and Private Health insurance the Public system would not cope. The government pushes you to take out Private Health Insurance because you get hit with a special tax levy if you don’t have Private Health insurance. Again, pushing people away from the overwhelmed Public system.

But with everything, there are pros or cons to both, as the insurance for doctors is high it pushes their treatment fees higher. But at least you have choice – choice of GPs, choice of specialists and choice of hospitals.

I’m not sure how a country with the population with the size of the USA could purely rely on a publicly funded healthcare system. You need to take the pressure off an overwhelmed system by pushing people into personally funded Health Insurance. It’s a tricky balance.

Art Deco
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 3:29pm

 those well beyond working age at a time when (because of lower birthrates) fewer younger workers are around to tax to make up the difference. Even socialist economies can’t run on air.
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This can be addressed by introducing cohort-specific retirement ages. The real problem is when later cohorts are smaller than earlier cohorts, a phenomenon which appears when the total fertility rate falls below replacement levels.

Art Deco
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 9:02pm

I’m not sure how a country with the population with the size of the USA could purely rely on a publicly funded healthcare system. You need to take the pressure off an overwhelmed system by pushing people into personally funded Health Insurance. It’s a tricky balance.
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In this country, optical shops are commercial enterprises, pharmacies generally are (hospital dispensaries the exception0, clinical laboratories can be (though are often subsidiary to hospitals or ambulatory clinics), and imaging centers can be (though, again, commonly incorporated into hospitals or ambulatory clinics). Ambulatory care can be commercial enterprise (called ‘urgent care’ or ‘prompt care), stand alone guild enterprise (the conventional sort), or provided by clinics incorporated within hospitals. Hospitals may be run by public agencies, by stand-alone government corporations, subsidiary to public universities, subsidiary to private universities, by stand-alone philanthropies, or (now and again) subsidiary to commercial companies. In New York, somewhat north of 20% of the hospital beds are to be found in public sector institutions. Not sure whether it be lower or higher in other states. Acute care hospitals are the segment of medical care most likely to be found in the public sector. Long-term care can be provided by commercial, philanthropic, or public entities. Over many decades, the proportion public has declined and such institutions have grown more variegated in terms of their clientele and service option.
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Government programs now account for north of 60% of the revenue of medical and l/t care service providers.
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The suggestion Milton Friedman offered a generation ago was to have public insurance programs which kick in over a high deductible, with households responsible for charges out of their own resources short of the deductible. He also suggested mandated contributions to medical savings accounts. The idea was that we could limit socialization of costs to a specific share of gross domestic product and provide for an actual price system to emerge in the invoices issued to families who had not hit the deductible this year. The ratio of out-of-pocket charges to total personal income flow would be contained by market preferences, as is the case in other sectors.
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The upsides are that we have stable actuarial pools which cover nearly everyone, that public financing grows pari-passu with gross domestic product and no faster, that we’re not rationing with administrative directives or with queues. The downside is that families have to prepare for thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses each year.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Monday, April 14, AD 2025 11:57pm

The issue with Private healthcare is once it falls into the hands of organisations which are publicly listed and forced to generate profits for their shareholders then you run the risk of that Privately funded healthcare body (hospital or emergency department or pathology) of cutting costs and endangering lives because of the cost cutting. You may as well be in a very bad public health care system. Atleast you know profits are not put before people.

This has actually happened with one Canadian owned organisation, Healthscope, who is under a current government enquiry in Australia for the death of two high profile cases:

– a toddler Joe Massa who died due to neglect and misdiagnosis after being taken into an emergency department of a private Hospital with a simple virus after going into cardiac arrest. He died. His parents want answers.

– And Another teenager who went into emergency department with an allergic reaction after unknowingly eating cashews in a dressing, who could have been easily been treated with a sample adrenaline shot because he went into cardiac arrest after experiencing anaphylaxis shock due to a doctor ignoring his symptoms of not being able to breath. He died. His parents want answers.

Both these patients went into a privately run emergency department, operated by the Canadian-owned Healthscope, in affluent areas is Sydney and Melbourne. Both were easily treatable cases. Both died. Both Horrific cases.

Healthcare, public or private should not be about bottomless profits or operating for the benefit of fattening up administrative pockets.

This is where the government needs to strictly mandate that healthcare, private or public, should be about the patient and reliable treatment- not about profits.

I don’t know how you can fix this without expecting these organs ideations to operate with a conscience.

Art Deco
Wednesday, April 16, AD 2025 7:52am

Poor service is not a danger of ‘private health care’. It’s a danger when you have organizations run by human beings. We’ve made use of commercial prompt care a number of times over the last decade and been satisfied each time. It’s not omnicompetent, but it has its niche. The strangest place we’ve been was the state medical center in Syracuse. (I was told when I moved into the area that there had been controversies involving it. A dozen years later, we had a surgeon who was on the attending list there so had to use their services).
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‘Cutting costs’ is a cuss word for what might also be called ‘finding slack in the system’.

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