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PopeWatch: Open Thread
- Donald R. McClarey
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 43 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
Walk and discern with the Communists only after you walk and discern with those who reverence the Holy Mass of the Ages. TYVM.
Great article over at Crisis today: “Send in the Clowns.”That would have been my comment; The author beat me to it.
I heard that Francis said in an interview quite recently that, although not a teaching of the Church, he personally believed that Hell is empty.
I thought, “That explains a lot.”
I thought PF said He hopes Hell is empty. This comes under the heading of THERE HE GOES AGAIN
– latest I’ve seen on same sex couple blessings is that those agaiinst it [like all of the African hierarchy] just don’t understand what a same sex blessing entails. Typical Pope Francis. Reminds of old Monty Python skit Confuse A Cat.
Time to retire, Bergoglio.
Hell is empty? The last time I looked, there was a rich man there.
Pope Francis’ view of sin as being so inconsequential that it does not require the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ is escapism. Our Lady of Fatima said that souls are falling into hell like snow and that we ought to pray to prevent that. Pope Francis believes that he does not need Jesus Christ to keep him out of hell.
*He HOPES Hell is empty.”
Lucifer and his followers forgiven?
Where in the *#¥¥ did he get the idea?
Hoping hell is empty explains what is taking place in real time on earth. Not good.
I hope hell is filled with souls who now seek the ruin of souls.
This isn’t going to be very concise but I’ll post a link in a moment to help.
Hell related;
In 1864, in a sacred corner near Ibiza, the Carmelite and exorcist, Blessed Francisco Palau, received an exceptional celestial revelation, which has been spread very little, even though it is very important for understanding the current moment.
A voice told him, “I am the angel of the Apocalypse.”
And he announced a new cycle where Satan would be released.
The Archangel Michael revealed to him the magnitude of the power that the devil would have.
And the importance of turning to him for protection.
He revealed to him how the devil would carry out the revolution to extinguish the Commandments of God and create chaos.
He told him how he would infiltrate Christians and also how to detect him.
And it also gave us hope. He revealed that the angel told him that after the chaos, there will come a period of restoration and peace.
https://spiritdaily.org/blog/prophecy/forums-an-alleged-message-on-devils-infiltration-of-church
All the hoping that hell is empty is empty hope;
CCC
1034 Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!”
Can you imagine the frustration of those ruling the church, pulling the strings, making the bank deposits, paying the lawyers, and how they cringe whenever Jorge gets in front of a microphone? By comparison Biden’s puppetmasters have a day at the beach, a stroll thru the park, a piece of cake. Guy, (cold in) Texas
@ Cold Guy in Texas.
Biden and Himself have way too much in common, if you ask me.
Cold in Texas… oh yeah.
We had a scorcher of a day in Northern Michigan… high of 6°…. not factoring in the wind-chill. Colder than a well diggers doupa…
At one time Natural Gas was being tapped up here. A sizable range, but that was in the 70′ through the late 80’s. Not many rigs operating these days.
I understand that PF was asked if any souls were in Hell, and he replied, “No, they are annihilated” – so it appears that he thinks no-one is in Hell aside from Lucifer & his minions.
I believe that Our Lady, at Fatima, used the analogy of “souls are falling into Hell like autumn leaves from a tree.” Let us pray that we, and our loved ones, are not among those ‘autumn leaves’.
Theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar argued that Hell is real, a place of eternal punishment, and that we should all fear damnation, but that we may hope that no human receives that punishment.
But Scripture directly contradicts that hope. Christ said that over and over again.
So where do all the Marxists go?
Send Lawyer’s Gun’s and Money.
https://www.newsweek.com/archbishop-calls-arrest-pope-cardinal-over-book-1861151
You have to admit. The V has no fear of the “B.”
Here’s some amusement if you haven’t seen it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/07/mouse-secretly-filmed-tidying-mans-shed-every-night
“I understand that PF was asked if any souls were in Hell, and he replied, “No, they are annihilated” – so it appears that he thinks no-one is in Hell aside from Lucifer & his minions.
God does not contradict Himself. Did Jesus die for souls who do not exist?
Genesis 12:3 says, “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” Obadiah 12:3 says, “For the day of the Lord is near upon the heathen; as thou hast done (to Israel) it shall return upon your own head.”
Sex-fiends addicted to the vice of lust and preying on innocent children are a curse and are cursed.
The late Cardinal Avery Dulles deals with Balthasar’s thesis here.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2003/05/the-population-of-hell
I’m gonna follow the Thumper rule.
I’m not persuaded by the Balthasar argument either, and I’m actually surprised that some Council never refuted it. I think it would be possible for a person to hope that no human ends up in Hell, but I’d worry about the impact if that thinking became widespread. The Dulles article discusses Judas, but I’d also be hard-pressed to show optimism for the Unrepentant Thief.
I guess ultimately it’s hard for me to figure out how to categorize hope. The Church guides us in matters of faith, which obviiously to the virtue of faith, and in matters of morals, which I’d say relate to the virtue of love. I don’t know if we can say that the Church has jurisdiction over matters of hope, though, except as despair or presumption are sins. Or am I thinking of this wrong?
Dear Pinky, BAsed solely on Holy Scripture, we don’t know the final end of the Unrepentant Thief, name in tradition “Gestas”. I’m going to remedy that in a novel I am writing.