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PopeWatch: Hmmm

 

If this is true, PopeWatch can think of few poorer ways of making Church policy than out of personal pique.

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Father of Seven
Father of Seven
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 5:43am

Rorate should be embarrassed. The Mass of the Ages was attacked and suppressed because of Taylor Marshall? No, Francis the Dictator is entirely responsible for his own actions.

David WS
David WS
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 6:10am

The Pope does not seem to want to “think” in fact he seems averse to such a rigorous traditional thing.

Such people are easily misled.

I’m no fan of Marshall. Some of the stuff he posts on Twitter is simply antagonistic.

Jason Watson
Jason Watson
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 7:03am

It’s not like TC emerged out of nothing in this pontificate, and I think Rorate is probably unintentionally falling into a common trap of reducing traditional Catholicism with the TLM. Sure, Francis may have been aloof in terms of legislation regarding the TLM, but aloof regarding traditionalists? Hardly. There is a long string of very problematic statements and actions from 2013 to the present that are as much or even a greater threat to traditionalists than some restrictions on the TLM, given that the doctrinal content of Catholicism is certainly as important as its liturgical patrimony (Amoris Laetitia, for example). On the liturgical level, Cardinal Sarah wasn’t slapped down in record speed for merely suggesting ad orientem during Advent because of aloofness. One could also multiply examples of policies towards traditional orders and such which would call into question his “aloofness.”

The real threat and reason for TC, I think, was the growth of the TLM in diocesan parishes, which (still) far outnumber those of FSSP, ICKSP, etc. This would be why survey on the TLM was sent out to the bishops to provide the ostensible backing for TC. But I think the influx of Catholics into the TLM during Covid and PF’s declining health and looming major surgery were more likely candidates for flashpoints.

Frank
Frank
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 7:19am

Agree with FOS and David WS. I think attempting to reverse Benedict XVI’s recharging of the TLM was a key part of the Sankt Gallen group’s program all along. Go back and look at how the National “Catholic” Reporter crowd reacted to Summorum Pontificum when it was issued. They went bananas. I believe the leftists who call themselves Catholic view the TLM as the symbol of everything they hate about the Church. Their complete disregard for much of the actual language of the Vatican II document on the Liturgy is typical of this attitude. My speculation: They assumed Benedict would cooperate by dying soon after they installed Francis, but when that didn’t happen, and when Francis himself started having serious health issues, they knew they had to get it done quickly. So the execrable “Traditiones Custodes”, possibly the most insultingly named Papal document in recent memory, was polished up and released while Benedict still lives. That he did not cry out in opposition to the document’s complete lack of charity or factual basis is, IMO, a testament to Benedict’s own charity and restraint.

Frank
Frank
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 7:24am

Agree with Jason Watson as well. His post went up while I was writing mine. 👍

Jason Watson
Jason Watson
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 8:35am

I’ll also say that Twitter spats like this (which are, unfortunately, all too common in the traditional Catholic world) are why I would implore all parties involved (and not just these two) to get off the platform and others like it entirely or as much as possible.

There is so much needless division and animosity facilitated by these means.. After all, the type of person who has a large platform with large reach is generally going to be someone who is already a very driven, confident, confrontational personality. It’s not a bad thing per se, but when you couple that with a platform that perversely incentivizes these sorts of conflicts and makes them effortless to get into, circular firing squads and own goals are all but inevitable.

CAG
CAG
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 8:41am

For demagogues like Taylor Marshall, social media outrage is their bread and butter.

Pinky
Pinky
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 11:21am

I don’t trust any Vatican rumors as a rule, but this does fit with a certain personality type.

Jeremiah Alphonsus
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 11:58am

Absurd. Modernists have been trying to obliterate the actual (“traditional”) Roman Rite since even before the Judas Council.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 12:16pm

All too believable. Tyrants don’t like being embarrassed, and the current pontiff is abnormally prickly–and petty.

The perfect incident which the Grillo faction could use to press their case before the pontiff. A loud, obnoxious attention-seeking American trad who backed Trump. Pushes all the right buttons.

Madgalene
Madgalene
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 1:49pm

The traditionalists’ circular firing squad benefits no one.

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 2:33pm

As much of a grifting demagogue I think Marshall is, to blame him for TC is ridiculous. Such claims should be given zero credibility unless proven true.

Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Thursday, December 8, AD 2022 9:17pm

Pope Francis is not a deep thinker in comparison to his predecessors. It requires critical thinking and a strong will to hold firmly to conservative views and values. A true conservative at heart does not easily let go of those values. I would guess that many Conservatives have triggered him over the years. But if he didn’t agree with the conservative viewpoint to begin with then the triggering would not have occurred. A tendency to follow the trending hot issue causes du jour ie. climate change, war in Ukraine, socialism etc is a feature of his leadership, not a bug.

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