Don’t doubt that this was all Kabuki theater, and that there were many more GOP votes in the Senate, if needed, to pass this surrender to the Gay Lobby. Fitting that this was done immediately after the dismal results of the midterms, giving conservative non-voters yet another reason to believe that most GOP elected officials are fake conservatives merely going through the motions, who secretly, and often not so secretly, despise their voters.
Don’t underestimate the impact of the surrender of the Mormon church on this issue. The Mormons were instrumental in passage of the anti-gay marriage amendment in California in 2008. The Mormons came under ceaseless attack from the gay lobby and the officials in the Mormon church have been running in terror ever since.
My vote in 2012 for this despicable man is one of my deeper regrets:
Where have all the martyrs gone? What’s next? Let me guess. Since we’ve now morphed into a state of insanity whereby nature becomes whatever we decide to label it (pet dogs are now grandchildren) I suspect that personhood and marriage will someday, not too far off, will be granted between humans and beasts.
Would the mormons (Romney and ilk) voting for same sex “marriage” have anything to do with them wanting to make polygamy legal whereby making easier to define marriage as anything?
What gets me is that the pressures and costs of living is dire, there are many pressing issues which affect ordinary people and yet all they care about is voting for gay rights. I mean what percentage of the populations support will they gain since gays are a minority. It’s like they are distracting from what matters.
Would the mormons (Romney and ilk) voting for same sex “marriage” have anything to do with them wanting to make polygamy legal whereby making easier to define marriage as anything?
No. Only small heretical branches of the Mormons have any interest in polygamy, since the Mormon “Prophet” deep sixed polygamy in the last quarter of the nineteenth century per a “revelation”.
“while I believe in traditional marriage, Obergefell is and has been the law of the land”. Romney is such a POS.
The problem with abortion is contraception; as long as we’re ok with using drugs, surgical devices and rubber gloves to contra(act against)-conception to have sex, abortion will be accepted. It might be limited but it will be accepted. Logic dictates one needs the ability to act against what has begun if act against conception fails.
The problem with sodomy and sodomitic marriage is the same. As long as we’re ok with sex devoid of any procreative possibility, how can we say no to sodomy?
Sex without contraception, limiting sex to infertile times – is an awesome thing, only then will we realize that sex is truly unitive and procreative, and those two things go together. It’s not really unitive unless there is that possibility in the mind(s) of procreation.
Gay marriage against nature then leads to trans-sexuality.
But don’t worry. Pederasty is right around the corner and polygamy too.
Then things might turn around.
(It’s all really dumb. There are applications a couple can get on their phones for NFP. And sex without contraception is the best and most satisfying both in quality and waiting. )
Preaching to the choir I know, but it’s not heard enough. (At all.)
David WS is 100% correct. And it’s ok to preach to the choir.
After the policy greatness, that’s why I love Trump. He fights.
The establishment GOP is a [expletive-deleted] bad joke.
Let the delusional little darlings have their fake ‘marriage.’
Love them with Christian charity [the person not the sin] for as long as they live, they may come to a better mind.
It IS our job to effectively promote that ‘better mind.’
I doubt there were more GOP votes than the ones they received, other than McConnell himself. Blunt and Young have done tours in the caucus leadership and McConnell has gone out of his way to injure loyal Republicans in Alaska in order to promote Murkowski. It is unsurprising to find the names of Burr, Collins, Murkowski, Portman, and Romney on this list.
Note that about 3/4 of the Republican caucus voted to return that octogenarian lizard to the position of floor leader, even after he sabotaged Republican campaigns in New Hampshire, Arizona, and Alaska.
There is a third party that is comprised of both acting members of Republicans and Democrats.
It’s name is The Perdition Party.
It’s popularity is alarming.
I am less concerned with how my senator, Rob (they/them) Portman, voted on this and I’m much more concerned about the silence of the bishops. God’s first covenant is under assault and I couldn’t find any statement from the bishops despite the fact they are meeting in Maryland. We have no hope of transforming society unless we transform the Church. This is a good first test for Archbishop Broglio. He needs to say in no uncertain terms there is only marriage as created by God, the author of marriage. There is no other.
The new criminal class. That is our money these public servants are spending to promote lies, lies and more lies, perjury in a court of law. Sodomy is not the marital act, Informed consent is lacking in sodomy. Perjury, perjury, prejury in a court of law.
Echo to all the others above, and I’ll just add that I’m very disappointed in Joni Ernst. She has a great resumé and seemed to have great potential when she was first elected in 2014.
FOS
Your right.
The silence is acceptance. At least that’s how the current culture will view it.
The Catholic Church is suppose to influence the culture yet when the salt goes flat and looses its flavor it’s worthless. Indifference or cowardice is leading in the spiritual battlefields, imho, and it’s going to be up to a energized laity to lead the leaders back to the narrow path.
As stated above…the act’s of homosexuals, lesbians and pedophiles are detestable and will never be accepted as God ordained symbols of love. Anti-Church springing from an anti-gospel is slavery and the clerics who promote the new understanding of love seek a city that is counterfeit to the City of God. Many, unfortunately, will listen and traditional Catholics will be labeled rigid, homophobic and in their new gospel, hypocritical to the message of Christs love.
The remnant Church, even if it must be clandestine, will continue to live, preach and teach that sin is sin and God doesn’t bow to man’s creativity or lack thereof.
Where have all the martyrs gone?
Here’s one who just had an interview published this week:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/candace-cameron-bure-great-american-family-11668205295
And here’s her “controversial” quote:
“I think that Great American Family will keep traditional marriage at the core,” she said.
That’s it. And for that, she’s getting a lot of flak.
Martyr comes from the Greek word meaning “witness”.
God bless her and all other martyrs. May they be given the courage and strength to continue. And may others follow their example.
Two thoughts:
They’re undercut by the Roman pontiff’s repeated endorsements of Martin and Gramick. He has a special loathing for American social conservatives and wants to see them destroyed. His gradual makeover of the American episcopate into a collection of docile lickspittles will get this done, but in the meantime he’s happy to take dumps on the few remaining Catholic bishops who try to keep the faith.
What credibility do they have left after the child rape scandals and continuing revelations of coddled rapists in high places? That’s the flaw of the pontiff’s reliance on compromised men who are easy to control–eventually, the word gets out. The oligarchy doesn’t love collaborators like Francis as much as it hates Christianity, as his successors will eventually figure out.
Romney’s line on Obergefell is 100% the establishment the GOP attitude to nearly everything. Sure the decisions was made out of whole cloth, should have been done by the legislature, and encoded into law something immoral. But it’s the job of the republicans to conserve the victories of democrats!
Between this and McConnell easily retaining leadership, good riddance. I doubt republicans will win big nationally (as opposed to in states like Florida) because they aren’t going to take action against fraud. But stuff like this makes me not care about them losing.
Overall it’s probably for the best. Too many in America think that we can find a political salvation. When it becomes obvious that ain’t happening, hopefully people put trust only in God for salvation.
Portman was 100% against same-sex marriage until his son came out of the closet. He was always a nice-guy, hands-across-the-aisle Republican. Ohio will need a warrior to replace him. Yeah–right.
Portman was 100% against same-sex marriage until his son came out of the closet.
The son’s public statement managed to be TMI, in need of an editor, and shot through with lacunae all at the same time. That the Portmans allowed their late adolescent son to jerk them around that way is another indication that there never was much there there with them. (In my experience, fairly common among people of Rob Portman’s background).
In light of what Musk has been up to, I note that Google hired Will Portman in 2014 even though he had no technical training whatsoever.
When Pope F gave Biden a wink and a nod, all bets are off in restoring the Church’s moral leadership on this and other moral issues. We are indeed going through a dark period which promises to be quite long.
Donald Link’s assessment is an invitation to Sainthood.
Hope your all up to it…me included
Pray hard each day.
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It’s all about feeling sorry for the poor abused and marginalized homosexual who have been persecuted for centuries by self-righteous Pharisaical religious people.
And as long as that attitude exist – that we’re supposed to pity the sodomite and lesbian sex pervert instead of calling them what they are – sex perverts who prey on our children – this will continue!
We quote that proverb – love the sinner and hate the sin – till we get to the point where we would condemn what Phineas did in Numbers chapter 25 to oppose sexual sin and what Mattathias did in 1st Maccabees 2 to oppose idolatry. Now I am not advocating the initiation of force, but these LGBTQ people need to be shoved back into the closet from whence they came. This is a culture problem caused by individual so-called “normal” people in society feeling sorry for these sex perverts. Stop it now! Stop feeling sorry for them! Sodomite and lesbian marriage is NOT marriage, and sodomite and lesbian behavior is NOT welcome, period! Why is this so difficult?
False victimhood is just another tool of Satan in his mocking of the pure, holy, and spotless victim to the Father through His sacrifice on Calvary. Thus, the Church is condemned for “lack of compassion” for false victims.
Thank you, WK Aiken. False victimhood. Exactly right!
WK and LQC yes indeed.
Now what?
What do we, the laity, do to combat the false mercy of our neighbors and family?
Catechism. [?] It’s the only way that I can see that souls will abandon the ideas or ideals of false mercy. Otherwise the winning of souls will be bloody and ugly. Do we have the patience of Gandhi? My choice to use Gandhi in this possible antidote isn’t to belittle Catholicism..on the contrary..it’s a viewpoint that expects a martyrdom to capture the greatest amount of converts to Christ.
Am I wrong?
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6D.HTM
Twelve Republican Senators joined with the Democrat Senators to end the filibuster and move the bill forward for this vote. The Senate Republicans have a lot of explaining to do.
Seventeen Senators that call themselves Catholic voted for this monstrosity. It couldn’t have passed without the help of these ‘Catholics’. They have a lot to answer for, as do their bishops.
I foresee a lot of mischief and grief coming out of this bill if it becomes law. The consequences— both intended and unintended— will devastate religious liberty unless it is struck down by the courts.
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These “catholic” senators will get nothing but accolades from their “bishops”.
Another consequence of contraception is the ungodly wearing of the resolve of bishops, they plod along issuing statements that nobody reads, using their crozier as a crutch..
contraception, oh we can’t say anything..
… abortion….., oh what can we do….
… sodomy….., oh, my own desires may be.. oh never mind.
.. gay marriage…, oh my.
.. transgenderism…, shhh don’t say anything..
Part of me is surprised at Shelley Moore Capito — but only part. West Virginia is about as conservative a state as there is, but it was Capito’s support of sending women into combat that persuaded me to swear off the Republicans. As it is, I consider both parties to be inherently incapable of producing a candidate worthy of support. Accepting a nomination from the Republicans (or Democrats) is like accepting a nomination from the KKK — anyone who does that is disqualified from my vote.
Just a word of caution: “gay marriage” is more wrong than polygamy. I think it would be correct to say that Jacob was truly married to both Rachel and Leah simultaneously. Such polygamy is by no means lawful for Catholics, and it seems to have always caused problems, but it was possible in a way that “gay marriage” has never been possible.
The Republican Party never fails to disappoint, aggravate and nauseate.
Ha! The turtle McConnell voted against it … who does he think he’s kidding?!?
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