The pettiness of our Pope is only exceeded by his malice towards traditional Catholics.
Wouldn’t Be Surprised
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 41 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
Christo Rey, or “Christ the King”
(Lord, we beg you to forgive us of our past sins of papal idolatry.)
Wait— wasn’t Francis’ excuse for this persecution that the bishops were begging him to do something about all the trads and their bad attitudes?
If Francis’ campaign against the trads was only launched because the bishops were begging him to do something (and that’s Rome’s narrative), then why on earth does Francis have to threaten most of our bishops to get them to implement Traditiones Custodes? If this progrom against the trads is just Rome giving the bishops what they were asking for, it seems like they’d be enforcing it without Rome having to threaten them into doing it.
I wonder what some of our bishops think of Francis at this point. Even those bishops who don’t much care for the Extraordinary Form Mass must resent being bullied and told how to run their own dioceses. And every bishop in the world must throw up a little in their mouth when they hear this Pope gas on about how much he respects ‘collegiality’.
Because he obviously respects the concept not one bit.
St thomas more, John fisher, pray for those who are “sacked”, regretfully, there will be few in number… Like the 80 red seals on Henry viii’s request for an annulment… None of which are remembered!
Francis the Liar. History will not be kind. I hope God, in his mercy, provides Francis the opportunity for conversion to the Catholic faith, and repentance.
Wait— wasn’t Francis’ excuse for this persecution that the bishops were begging…
This is a really good point. Obviously that was a total lie.
He has no authority to “sack” a Bishop based on those reasons. It’s like saying a parent can “sack” a child for preferring to eat a green apple instead of a red apple. They can’t. He’s convinced himself in his own head he has that sort of power, but thats just not how the role of the Pope works. What I find interesting is that he has people around him hanging onto every stupid decision he is making. I hope he goes through and “sacks” a Bishop for performing a TLM Mass and that Bishop and congregation just completely ignore it.
but thats just not how the role of the Pope works
Actually, I’m afraid it is. He is the Supreme Pontiff, after all
*While the pope is “always joined in communion with the other bishops,” the law explicitly states that “he nevertheless has the right, according to the needs of the Church, to determine the manner, whether personal or collegial, in exercising his office.”
In short, Pope Francis can just fire a bishop*
and
“no appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.” Indeed, attempting to appeal a decision of the pope is actually a canonical crime.
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/can-the-pope-just-fire-a-bishop
What if the pope fires a bishop and the bishop simply ignores him? “Francis has made his decision. Now let him enforce it.” That could be a great new TV series: “Vatican Law.” The legal battles would be popcorn worthy, at least for us lawyer types. 😂
I know, I know, the vow of obedience and all that. Any bishop who is that dedicated to preserving the traditional liturgy would never openly defy the guy in the white hat. Too bad, I say. I’m getting bored with Francis and his juvenile antics. And it’s time we had a pope who wants to save souls.
A papacy big enough to give you what you want is big enough to take from you everything you have.
If this ahistorical, anti-Christian nonsense is not stopped, Catholicism will be nothing more than papal totalitarianism. If I wanted to worship a Roman imperator, I’d erect a shrine to Marcus Aurelius.
Amen, Mr. Price! I suppose that Francis in his own way has, as others here have noted in the past, performed a great service by helping to expose the folly of what Prof. Kwasniewski calls “hyper-papalism”, and with which many “conservative” Catholics have been afflicted for some time now. I certainly was one of them, from after my 2004 conversion until about 2015, when I gave up trying to reconcile many of the acts of this papacy with actual Catholic doctrine. In that limited, but important, sense, he is the parallel to Trump, who performed the same service in exposing the corruption of the Federal Leviathan.
Good observations, Frank, but I’m sure you’ve noticed, as I have, that many haven’t cast off their “hyper-papalism”, but instead embrace the “B16 is still Pope” theory, or worse move right into sedevacantism. That will be one of the legacies of this unfortunate papacy as well.
This comment was made last night at a Holy League meeting;
*”These men, who have spent the majority of their lives reforming the Catholic Church via the hijacking of V2, are facing the realization that their works were a waist of time.” *”In frustration they seek to tear down the components that ultimately foster and spread grace.”
Frustrated old men who care less for doctrine and the salvation of souls than they do of their houses of cards that they manufactured during the course of their service.
Traditional Latin Mass, Adoration, Processions, Adult Formation classes, Devotions to Our Lady, the Daily Rosary.
Asia and Africa. Two great examples of houses built upon a rock. Solid teachings. Traditional Catholic institutions create an atmosphere where Jesus is front and center.
Bringing Him out for perpetual Eucharistic Adoration attracts holiness, hence the vocations to religious life increase. Altar servers, young men, are being called into the priesthood.
Frustrated old men will not help Christ build up the Body of Christ.
St. Pope JPII was not a frustrated old man. His devotion and commitment to serving CHRIST promoted and generated vocations to the religious life. Francis?
Pope Francis?
Prayers for his conversion continue.
The toothpaste is out of the tube on the old rite. Francis cannot effectively suppress it.
DP, myself, I’d go with Hadrian. Admittedly, he had the morals of a street dog, but actually got a wall built.
@CAG- actually I’m afraid it’s not. You are simplifying the reality. The reality is they are usually asked to step down.
“In Catholic theology, a bishop is considered the vicar of Christ in his diocese. He is not the vicar of the pope or simply a branch manager in the multinational corporation called the Catholic church.”
Given, PF acts like a “Supreme Pontiff” in his head. He is not.
The reason for Bishop Torres sacking is still not clear. He was asked to meet with the Pope before his “sacking” and didn’t. Bishop Torres had conflicts over transfers of seminarians, conflicts over refusal to sign vaccination letter (Im personally with Bishop Torres on this one), he didn’t operate in a co-operative manner with the other bishops. The ambiguity makes one assume it was a highly political diocese.
Bishop Morris of Toowoomba, for example, refused several formal orders to come to Rome to discuss his rejection of Church teaching, and he remained in office for five further years, and was subject to a formal canonical visitation.
Morris, whose removal was justified in this case because he was rallying for female priest, was asked 5 times by 3 different Vatican congregations ignored it for 5 years because he had the support of his Parishioners. He was in direct violation of Catholic teaching. He wasn’t just “sacked”. They couldn’t get him out. It was Pope Benedict at the helm at the time.
Besides being in direct violation of Catholic teaching and refusing to adjust your stance is a valid reason for the Pope to “sack” a Bishop.
So no- the Pope does not have the authority to impulsively “sack”a Bishop based on his preference for TLM.