Best Commentary on the Pope’s Attack on the Traditional Mass
Donald R. McClarey
Cradle Catholic. Active in the pro-life movement since 1973. Father of three, one in Heaven, and happily married for 41 years. Small town lawyer and amateur historian. Former president of the board of directors of the local crisis pregnancy center for a decade.
“ The beatings will continue until morale improves…”
The Motu Proprio may mark the first time in history where a Pope postulates someone’s cause for canonization. He basically is postulating the cause for Abp Lefebvre.
Apb Lefebvre will some day be made a saint and doctor of the Church
Schismatic fanfic. I have hope for Archbishop Lefebvre’s soul, but his writings are barely Catholic.
” I have hope for Archbishop Lefebvre’s soul, but his writings are barely Catholic.”
Mmmm…..That’s strange – to me his writings are exactly the Catholic Faith I learnt prior to 1965. I was married with one child when the Novus Ordo & other “changes” came in. Prior to that time, we never had tens of thousands of priests leaving the priesthood, religious orders collapsing and the commencement of an unprecedented apostacy.
PINKY
Schismatic fanfic. I have hope for Archbishop Lefebvre’s soul, but his writings are barely Catholic.
That kind of accusation is quite dire.
You should probably support it, with binding teachings, etc– because otherwise it’s borderline gossip, shading into false witness.
If he is, indeed, “barely Catholic,” then you can give evidence and thus prevent any damage from his writings.
If your goal is to make people disagree with him because he disagrees with YOU, but not with binding Catholic teaching– then that is at the very least detraction, if not calumny.
I don’t know for certain, but yesterday’s horror may well turn out to be the last straw for me. One True Church? Don’t make me laugh. In order to be THE true church you first have to be A true church. And to be A true church, the first thing you have to be is a church. This thing we live in is a brothel.
Nonsense. Our first Pope betrayed Christ and later had to be corrected by Saint Paul. The history of the Church is replete with bad policies by clerics including Popes. The Church remains the One True Faith no matter how bad her leadership is. No bad Pope will chase me from the Faith.
“No bad Pope will chase me from the Faith.“
If it weren’t for Catholicism, I would’ve left the Catholic Church a long time ago.
Not for the first time at this blog, I offer my favorite one-sentence summary of the significance of bad clerics in the Church, attributed to Chesterton’s friend Hilaire Belloc:
“The Catholic Church is an institution I am bound to hold divine — but for unbelievers a proof of its divinity might be found in the fact that no merely human institution conducted with such knavish imbecility would have lasted a fortnight.”
Frank, Don: the persistence of The Church (important to capitalize the pronoun also) was testified to in Boccacio’s story of the converted Jew and (aprochyphally?) by Queen Christina of Sweden, that it must be given by heaven to have survived so long under villains.
And is the next Great Schism scheduled?
We shall see after the next Conclave, which I suspect will not be long in coming. Pope Francis would not have done this now unless he feared his time was running out.
What do you suppose Benedict XVI would have to say sbout this rejection of his own motu proprio? Mein Gott!
“The Church remains the One True Faith “. So true. But, where is That Church today. In spite of personally immoral Popes, never before has heresy been prompted on a scale as today. Our first Pope accepted correction.The present occupant in interviews with atheists denies Hell ( immortality of souls of the damned), and denigrates the role of the Mother of God. He surrounds himself with promoters of child murder, homosexuals, and transsexuals. Never before has such a rot come from the Papacy in theology. Is the Church founded by Jesus, now headed by Pope Bergolio? If not, where is it? I know it will always exist. As for future conclaves, the appointments of the present Pope have assured the election of a clone. I hang on, but when we become indistinguishable from Anglicanism what’s the point?
As for future conclaves, the appointments of the present Pope have assured the election of a clone.
Don’t be so sure. I think that the erratic Pope Francis has created a store of animosity among many Cardinals who smile to his face.
The sanctity of Benedict is heroic. He must disagree with this decision wholeheartedly, and he knows if he lifted an eyebrow he could cause a schism, so he says nothing. There really has never been a person in a better position to throw the Church into chaos.
The sanctity of Benedict is heroic. He must disagree with this decision wholeheartedly, and he knows if he lifted an eyebrow he could cause a schism, so he says nothing. There really has never been a person in a better position to throw the Church into chaos.
You need to get a grip.
As for future conclaves, the appointments of the present Pope have assured the election of a clone.
Twenty-six years of appointments by faithful shepherds got you the conclave which barfed up Francis. This sort of thing can be weirdly unpredictable.
Yeah, I know, Andrew Greeley claimed his crew at the National Opinion Research Center contrived a model which predicted the selection first of Albino Luciani and then Wojtyla. Non ci credo.
Alas. For some reason my Android tablet will not link to Youtube imbeds on this site. Could you post a link?
Pinky,
The defenders always start a war. The invaders would prefer to simply take what they like without resistance. Therefore if you view war as the highest of all evils, you must necessarily support those who invade other countries without cause over those who would defend their countries.
You are applying the same sort of thinking in relation to the question of a schism.
We are called the Church Militant. Plenty of our forbearers in the faith have had to fight for the faith to preserve it for future generations. In the modern Church we have way too many lukewarm, fair-weather Catholics who know so little about the faith that they are hardly in a position defend it when it is under attack. Lambs to the slaughter. There are too many people whose actions suggests that the faith is not worth fighting for.
Hope you are right Art Deco. You are certainly correct about the choices of prior otherwise Saintly Popes picks for the College of Cardinals. This has always been difficult to understand. I find it difficult to believe that they did not know everything about these choices they were making.
I’ve been involved in some hirings, and it’s difficult to know who will be a good fit for a position. Even with people you know – and I don’t think cardinals spend a lot of time together. At least, less so since we started making non-Italians Popes. They will have heard rumors about each other, but how reliable are such things? These days you probably listen very closely to sex rumors, but otherwise the Vatican is a rumor mill.
There’s also a reinforcement that happens after multiple votes. If 30% of my colleagues think a guy would be a good choice, maybe my reservations are unfounded. He’s in the top 3, so we’re probably not going to go too far wrong with any of them.
And you know the next pope isn’t going to be identical to the last one. Maybe you want one who’s a little more theological or pastoral, more First World or Third World, whatever. There’s guessing involved.