Occupy Wall Street Goons Spit on Sailor

Friday, October 14, AD 2011

42 Responses to Occupy Wall Street Goons Spit on Sailor

  • If the Fleabaggers do this now “when the wood is green” (so to speak), then what will they do “when the wood is dry?” In fact, what will they do should Obama get defeated in ’12?

  • I think it would be a good idea for the Coast Guard to show up at OWS with billy clubs and soap and literally clean up the mess these fools are making!

  • Considering some of the sailors I have known over the years I would enjoin caution on the Occupy Wall Street crowd about spitting on them. Spitting on a female Coast Guard sailor, probably petite, might be fun. Spitting on a sailor who is male, 6 foot and 200 lbs of muscle and bone might not be.

  • Meanwhile, in other news, compensation for the chief executives of America’s biggest corporations soared 28 percent in 2011 from last year on average, according to a new report.
    As millions of Americans remain out of work and Social Security recipients continue to receive no increase in payments, is it any wonder that people are taking to the streets? As oil companies reap billions in obscene profits and other big companies pocket billions without paying taxes (GE), the Republicans aim their heavy guns on the most defenseless of all citizens: seniors who depend on Medicare and Social Security to merely survive.
    Old but true: The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and it’s business as usual in America.

  • By the way, I served in the Navy and a little spit never bothered me. We used to shine our shoes with it.

  • Joe,

    When you reference General Electric above, remember that one of Obama’s biggest supporters is Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE and former head of its Health Care Division. He is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Under his leadership MS NBC (while it was owned by GE) ended up being the unsolicited spokesperson for Obama during the ’08 election.

    BTW, Father Philip Powell at “Domine, Da Mihi Hanc Aquam” revealed the identities of the big bucks people who are supporting the fleabaggers on Wallstreet, in Boston and elsewhere. The usual wealthy liberal progressive Democrats show up:


    Limo Liberals who support the Occupy Wall St Circus:

    #1 Yoko Ono Net Worth – $500 million.

    #2 Russell Simmons Net Worth – $325 million

    #3 Roseanne Barr Net Worth – $80 million*

    #4 Deepak Chopra Net Worth – $80 million

    #5 Kanye West Net Worth – $70 million

    #6 Alec Baldwin Net Worth – $65 million

    #7 Susan Sarandon Net Worth – $50 million

    #8 Michael Moore Net Worth – $50 million

    #9 Tim Robbins Net Worth – $50 million

    #10 Nancy Pelosi Net Worth – $35.5 million

  • Yeah, I know, Paul, about Obama and his GE pal. A pox on both of them. Why is this a “circus” rather than legitimate protest? From the founding of our nation, the people have always had a right to redress their grievances. From the Declaration of Independence:

    “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

    That’s strong language. Sounds close to sedition if uttered in today’s vernacular would likely land someone in jail.

  • Joe,

    What the Tea Party is doing is what you pointed out, “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Tea Partiers want Obama’s corporate socialism and Chicago gangsters gone (and preferrably in jail).

    What the Flea Party is doing is entirely different. They have their Red Flags, their Class Warfare signs and posters, their socialist chanting, etc. Their aims are NOT the destruction of despotism but the advocacy of a nanny government that will give them everything they want. These fleabaggers generally reject authority, especially that of Christianity (the Church in particular). They want Caesar as their god to take care of them and give them iPad and iPods and the other wondrous computerized machinery of Apple or Microsoft while they do nothing to support themselves. They are spoiled little brats who have defecated on police cars, harrassed those in uniform and generally made a mess of everything. The most they deserve is 39 lashes.

  • Use of labels such as “flea baggers”, “the “Flea Party” does not advance your argument. And as far as a “nanny state” is concerned, seems to me that the Wall Street fat cats and the multimillionaires are the ones who have been miking the public teat all these years.

    One, however, could take comfort in the words of Jesus: “Woe unto ye that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.”

  • “By the way, I served in the Navy and a little spit never bothered me. We used to shine our shoes with it.”

    Somehow I suspect that you would have a different reaction Joe if someone were spitting on you. However, I trust that your comment was an attempt at humor and not to be taken seriously.

    In regard to the 2010 elections, the Democrats outraised the Republicans in political contributions on the national and Congressional level:


  • Joe,

    I stand by the description “flea baggers.”

    A friend of mine goes on further at a different forum to describe the relationship of lilly white rich liberals and their advocacy for this flea bagger rioting. In this case, RINO Bloomburg is involved.


    So Mayor Bloombergs live-in girlfriend sits on the board of Brookfield, the company that owns Zuccotti Park, the place the Fleabaggers have set up camp. Is this part of the reason that the Mayor backed off his threat to have the Fleabaggers removed? Maybe they (Brookfield) don’t want too much attention for some reason and they applied some pressure.


    But wait, there’s more! (http://bit.ly/neN3Ig)

    Brookfield just got a green business loan, one of the last to do so, from the administration in the amount of $135.8 million. Heather Podesta, the sister-in-law of John Podesta owns the lobbying firm that represents Brookfield. John Podesta is the director for the Center For American Progress, which is funded by…wait for it…GEORGE SOROS!!

  • Meanwhile, in other news

    Why change the subject Joe? It’s okay that these degenerates spit on people because some CEOs make a lot of money? You’re justifying bad behavior through the use of a non sequiter. Shame on you.

  • These are the same rats as their VC-sympathizer predecessors.

    I served in the USAF in the last years of the Vietnam War. A few times I was traveling on orders in civ airports. No one spat on me. If they did, I was taught to respect my uniform. There would have been violence. Of course, I was six feet and 185, and I don’t lisp.

    Michael Walsh: “About the only thing the Tea Party and the unwashed rabble occupying Zuccotti Park have in common is their deep loathing for the financial and political nomenklatura who precipitated the economic collapse of 2008 and — thanks to their massive campaign donations to Obama — have emerged unscathed while the rest of us suffer. Any other resemblance is purely coincidental.”

  • The fact that someone in the OWS crowd is flying a Che Guevara flag says all you need to know about this bunch….as did the Viet Cong flags that flew during anti-war protests in the 60s.

  • Paul, shame on me? Equating the spitting of someone in a protest is akin to getting a flea bite on the Bataan Death March. A hideous act, but where’s your perspective and memory? Juxtapose big bosses making nearly 30 percent more while the layoffs go on and the Wall Street continues to suck the lifeblood out of the economy.

    A trillion in TARP money and Wall Street payoffs, engineered by both parties, to bail out Goldman, AIG and six banks who had set aside $170 billion in bonuses to be divvied up by a few at the top while 15 million were stranded on the unemployment lines.

    How soon we forget?

  • Joe,

    Wasn’t it the Obamanation of Desolation who insisted on all those corporate bailouts? And isn’t it Obama who is being shielded by those fleabaggers protesting against the very corporations whom Obama bailed out? And isn’t it the rich lilly white liberal actors, actresses and other malcontents of wealth untold who are financing and otherwise supporting the fleabaggers?

    For a different point of view, read this:


    I am all for cutting the umbilical cord of corporate socialism between the Obama administration and his croonies in big corporations like GE. We can start that by voting him out of office, and then giving these neo-hippie miscreants defecating on police cars the 39 lashes they deserve, followed by cold showers with lots of soap.

  • Joe, I find it irritating when people change the subject because it makes their side look bad. This isn’t a post about the worthiness of TARP or the bailouts (although as the other Paul noted, it’s Obama who promoted them), but on the behavior of the crowd. So yes, shame on you for excusing disgusting behavior.

  • Yes, Paul, read carefully, I said “both parties” so Obama was in on it as much as anyone. When people are angry, the often do despicable things. Spitting, defecating and all the other reprehensible actions are deplorable.

    But where is the outrage when American taxpayers are continually raped and when so many suffer due to corporate and individual greed?

    I remain a staunch conservative on social issues — abortion, sexual morality, etc. — but this country was built on dissent, best expressed and effected through peaceful and non-violent means not by an unruly few who cross the line.

  • Paul, “disgusting behavior” has a broad range of applications.

  • “But where is the outrage when American taxpayers are continually raped and when so many suffer due to corporate and individual greed?”

    Joe, you forgot politician greed and lust for power, which historically exceeds all the rest, Robespierre, Hitler, Stalin and Mao all being outstanding examples.

    Interestingly, the fleabaggers seem to support exactly those kinds of people. Why am I NOT surprised.

  • “I remember my youth and the feeling that will never come back anymore – the feeling that I could last forever, outlast the sea, the earth, and all men; the deceitful feeling that lures us on to joys, to perils, to love, to vain effort – to death; the triumphant conviction of strength, the heat of life in the handful of dust, the glow in the heart that with every year grows dim, grows cold, grows small, and expires – and expires, too soon, too soon – before life itself.”

    from “Youth”, a short story, by Joseph Conrad

  • Paul, how easy and simplistic it is to point the finger of blame at history’s famous individual villains, ignoring the masses who followed and enabled them. I would recommend Eric Hoffer’s True Believer to see how mass movements such as religions, fascism and communism gained traction by drawing adherents willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals.

  • “…see how mass movements such as religions, fascism and communism gained traction by drawing adherents willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals.”

    Exactly correct. And that’s Obama’s national socialist Democracy and the fleabaggers.

  • “The monstrous evils of the twentieth century have shown us that the greediest money grubbers are gentle doves compared with money-hating wolves like Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, who in less than three decades killed or maimed nearly a hundred million men, women, and children and brought untold suffering to a large portion of mankind.”

    Eric Hoffer

  • I would wager that as long as Lenin, Stalin and Hitler controlled the money, they really didn’t hate it all that much. What they hated was someone other than them doing the controlling. Oh yeah – those evil capitalists.

  • Joe,
    Stop your lies. The myth about GE not paying taxes has been debunked over and over again. Facts matter, even if they may not fit your silly narrative. The “reporter” who broke that story mis-read GE’s annual report. A stupid mistake with legs apparently.

  • Mike, no doubt new versions cooked up by the rewrite boys at the Ministry of Truth.

  • Report from the field, sort of: I stepped outside about an hour ago to watch an “Occupy Springfield, Illinois” rally march through downtown. The line extended for a full city block or more, and I’m not good at crowd estimates, but I’m going to guess 500-1,000 people participating. Mostly white middle class looking folk, middle aged and younger, including kids in strollers, carrying signs with slogans like “End the Fed” and “Money (Does Not Equal) Speech” and “Stop Media Censorship,” etc. They kept chanting “The people, united, will never be defeated!” and some were beating on drums, but, didn’t see any screaming or altercations or anything at all threatening. (Personally I think the St. Patrick’s Day parade/bar crowd is more dangerous than these people.) The whole thing was over and everyone appears to have dispersed by 4 p.m. with absolutely no public disorder of any kind.

    Seems to me that, outside of major cities like NYC, Boston, etc., the Occupy crowd is mostly young middle class folk looking for an easy outlet for their frustration with the general state of the economy, and not looking to attack anyone personally. However, they do need to be aware that their movement, such as it is, is being coopted elsewhere for more sinsister purposes.

  • I guess the occupation of Springfield didn’t last long Elaine! 🙂 Typical example of Central Illinois Nice. They had their say, made their point, and went home to get ready for Saturday night. We live in a good part of the state!

  • Joe,
    I’m a tax lawyer. The NYT errors were explicated ad nauseum in all manner of serious tax journals. Stop your lies.

  • Mike,

    A layman would not understand the complex differences between generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) and tax accounting/The IR Code (credits; timing, temporary, permanent differences; deferred tax assets/liabilities; etc.) in a corporation’s financial statements.

    Plus, if it serves the agenda it’s not a lie. I think journalists glory in their omissions of the truth as they tirelessly advance the narrative.

  • All true, T, and fair enough. And laymen are not likely to realize that in general those differences favor revenue collection. GAAP errs on the side of making sure a company does not deceive investors by overstating income, whereas the IRC errs on the side of making sure that a company does not deceive the IRS by understating income. There are exceptions, of course, but that is the general theme. It is true that some industries (oil is the easy example) benefit from being able to deduct expenses they pay faster than what ordinary accounting might allow and faster than other industries can, and this type of benefit is certainly open to criticism. But the criticism more appropriately should focus on horizontal equity (i.e., a comparison with other corporate taxpayers) rather than vertical equity (a comparison based on ability to pay). In the end how much corporate income tax a corporation pays is truly not all that relevant for vertical equity purposes, and its horizontal equity analysis is best limited to comparisons with competitors. The corporate income tax is a puzzling creature. Its economic burden is necessarily a mystery in that it falls on some unknown (and unknowable) admixture of shareholders (through reduced returns, as though they should be reduced any further these days), consumers (through higher prices), and employees (through reduced wages). The distribution of this burden is based on many market variables that are fluid and impossible to assume or plan for in confidence. In other words, it a tax that progressives love notwithstanding the random distribution of its economic burden. Very strange, actually. This is not to say that corporations don’t impose social costs that they should pay for (e.g., the trucking industries effect on road wear and tear), but such costs (particularly when netted against social benefits) bear no relation whatsoever to the corporate tax burden (very high in the US), and should sensibly be borne regardless of profit just like any other cost.
    Finally, it is true that earnings of CEOs of major corporations high by historic standards. Much has been written about this, and there are many causes including (i) the structure and practices of corporate comp committees and (ii) the move a couple decades ago to tie comp more to stock performance. But as generous as such payments can be, their impact on a company’s bottm line is typically not all that material. I do think that criticism of CEO pay may have some merit, but that is a discussion for another day.

  • Mike, what does a tax lawyer do, tax lawyers? I don’t like being called a liar. As a lawyer, the irony is rich, indeed. (apologies to Don McClarey, the only lawyer I know capable of uttering truths now and then.)

  • Joe,
    I never called you a lawyer. I asked you to stop repeating lies.
    To answer you question, I work very hard to ensure that my clients do not pay any more tax than they are legally obligated to. My clients are large corporations. I am proud of my work. My clients behave honorably, and I have never known them to utter or repeat lies. Lawyers are like anyone else, unfortunately, some honorable and some not. But the lawyers I work with I very honorable. You seem to think that corporations are duty bound to pay whatever you think is just — not what the law requires. Such arrogance is unbecoming.

  • GE and taxes? Let’s set the record straight:


    So much for paying the 35% corporate rate.

  • Joe,
    GE works hard to save costs at every level, thereby benefiting consumers and investors, and preserving jobs. Tax expenses are no exception. Unless you can show that they are doing something illegal or immoral then what is the point of your innuendo?

  • Mike…”GE works hard …” employing more than 1,000 lawyers whose sole job is to find ways to avoid tax liability… GE works hard to cut its U.S. payroll by thousands while its hypocritical CEO boss sits on a job-creation council … GE works hard to manufacture weapons of mass destruction, filling its ever-growing till by billions with Pentagon money… GE works hard to lobby Congress for every tax break, loophole and under-the-table, deal-cutting maneuver to make sure the defense contracts never end..ad nauseum

  • GE works hard to manufacture weapons of mass destruction,

    Goodness gracious, you mean they manufacture weapons? Why has no one reported them to the UN?

    And still nothing illegal or immoral in any of the litany reported by Joe. But, whatever mean Joe Green can do to obfuscate the main point of the post.

  • Agreed, Paul. It never ceases to amaze me how passionate liberals are about supporting a tax whose economic burden is unknown and arbitrary. I assume it is grounded in the assumption that the burden rests predominantly on the rich, but really that is all it is, an assumption. There is actually very little basis for believing that. The best one can say about it is that it might be true; or not. There is a reason conservatives are so often quick to accuse liberals of forming opinions based more on emotion than reason.

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Wednesday, October 12, AD 2011

“I thank God that I served as a sergeant and army  chaplain in the First World War. How much I learned about the human  heart during this time, how much experience I gained, what grace I  received.”

                                                                      Pope John XXIII




The seventh in my ongoing series examining the poetry of Rudyard Kipling.   The other posts in the series may be read here, here , here , here,  here and here.  Throughout his life Kipling constantly returned to one theme in his poetry and prose:  the common British soldier.  Kipling did not romanticize them, being far too aware that they were merely fallible humans like the rest of us, and often the products of the school of hard knocks with many rough edges about them.  However, he also recognized their virtues:  courage, endurance, good humor and a willingness to place their lives at jeopardy for the rest of us.  He never forgot the men who lived at the sharp end of the stick and who often got the short end of the stick from the society they protected.    His poem Tommy  brilliantly encapsulates this wretched ingratitude:


I went into a public-‘ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:
 O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
 But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play,
 The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
 O it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-‘alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
 For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
 But it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide,
 The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
 O it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide.

Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
 Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul?”
 But it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
 The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
 O it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
 While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind”,
 But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind,
 There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
 O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind.

You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
 For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
 But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
 An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
 An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!

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12 Responses to Tommy

  • “Single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints.”

    Check out Kipling’s eclipse of moral reason.

    “So we loosed a bloomin’ volley,
    An’ we made the beggars cut,
    An’ when our pouch was emptied out.
    We used the bloomin’ butt,
    Ho! My!
    Don’t yer come anigh,
    When Tommy is a playin’ with the baynit an’ the butt.”
    “The Taking of Lungtingpen” — Barrack Room Ballad.

    It’s better today than when they spat on, and threw feces at, Vietnam War soldiers.

    The same ilk that did that are now “occupying” Wall Street.

  • T Shaw

    Help me out.

    The stanza is a narrative description.

    They were in fight with an enemy. For lack of other data in your selection we must assume in accord with the JWD and law of warfare.
    The ran out of bullets
    They to used the Bayonet and Rifle Butt.

    Kipling offers practical advice that to potential enemies that will lose even if it gets down to ‘baynit an’ the butt.”

    Where is the moral reasoning, good bad or indifferent.

    Hank’s Eclectic Meanderings

  • Don

    One of my favorites. It seemed to hit a cord in the early 70’.

    Roger Moore gave a impromptu presentation from memory. Missing a few lines but he catches the emotion better than most.

    <Tommy Atkins>

    Hank’s Eclectic Meanderings

  • ” It seemed to hit a cord in the early 70’.”

    Didn’t it though Hank. I arrive at the U of I in the Fall of 1975. The Armory where I took my ROTC courses had been firebombed before I got there. In the Spring of 1975 the student government held a party to celebrate the fall of South Vietnam and Cambodia to the Communists. Yeah, Tommy fit right in with that milleau.

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  • The point: there is no moral reason. War is all hell. There is no way to kill gently or to destroy honorably.

    The story is about Brit regulars taking a Burmese rebel ville after a forced march. Imagine the troops are getting “payback” for ambushes and sentry throat cuttings. Assume the Brits are armed with modern (probably rolling block, single-shot Martini-Henry) weapons. The Burmese have flint locks and edged weapons, maybe a muzzle-loading cannon. The Brits ran out of ammunition and were ordered forward with the bayonet, which employed by organized, trained men is truly fearsome.

    Kipling expresses the ardor and excitement of troops in a rare victorious action, I think.

  • The quote from Pope John XXIII on his learning about the human heart brought me to think about how well Rudyard Kipling did, too. Each revealing the wisdom of the other. The Pope defining the essence of Kipling’s skill, Kipling writing the voice of the Pope’s understanding knowledge. Great minds thinking alike.

    ‘Tommy’ reminds me of a 1971 winter evening scene as I opened the door to leave Goodell Library at U of M to find a passing war protest march proceeding to the nearby Student Union heckling me as misplaced (a Pass/Fail system had been instituted to accomodate anti-war things). Didn’t know what to think, except that I had to get to my job, my brother was on USS Enterprise, and during recent holidays the sad development of a social divide between college and military draft kids I knew of from high school.

    In 2011, I’m glad I went to work that night rather than follow them into the unknown. 40 years from now how will these occupiers have formed their world? Cannot imagine – oh – I guess a little. Outside the grocery store, someone with a handful of petitions was asking for signatures for a ‘dignity law’. What? Translated to passing assisted suicide for the elderly. Wasn’t hungry – but bought cookies and chips.

  • Article 1, Section 8, the Constitution.

  • I saw this silly musical when I was much younger and loved old musicals — this number at the end shocked me. I didn’t know then about the pacifism that followed WWI, in part because of how badly the war was managed and the bitterness of so many people over the deaths of their sons and brothers and fathers. I can’t imagine a movie having a number like this in it today — perhaps a very cynical one, but not one like this.


  • I like Kipling, and I’ve enjoyed the articles about him on this site. But for all the merit in what he’s saying in this poem, don’t you ever get the feeling that he’s pulling your leg? It’s just too much pub song and too little poem. Part of that is that he writes with ease – the same thing that Mozart does, where he makes it look like child’s play. I don’t know.

  • People did sing the “Barracks Room Ballads”; there were a number of popular musical settings for each of the big ones, and people are still setting them to music today.

    You sound like the kind of person who looks for post-postmodern irony while listening to dance songs on a country music station.

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