Terri Schiavo: March 31, 2005

Thursday, March 31, AD 2016

Terri Schiavo’s brother remembers his sister, judicially murdered 11 years ago today:

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  • I remember this time. Sister Lucia died in February, Terri Schiavo in March and Pope John Paul II in April. Sad days.

  • Terry Schiavo”s judicial murder still gives me chills. Been looking at Priests For Life to download a Will To Live. Many states now classify even the use of a straw to drink as extraordinary measures.
    If anyone has a good link for the appropriate legal documents, I’d sure appreciate it.

  • Terri Schiavo of course was judicially murdered by the State of Florida in 2005 at the behest of her “loving husband”, Michael Schiavo. A few comments about that judicial travesty:

    1. Terri Schiavo was clearly not in a persistant vegetative state. The testimony of her caregivers revealed this and the videos taken of her clearly showed that she was awake and aware of her surroundings.

    2. She made no written declaration, such as a living will or a power of attorney for health care, as to whether she would wish to have food and water withheld in this type of situation.

    3. The court’s reliance on self-serving statements by the husband, his brother and the wife of his brother as to her intentions while ignoring the contra statements of all of her blood relatives is absurd. These statements were brought up only after Michael Schiavo decided to have his wife slain by dehydration and the statements of his brother and his brother’s wife were miraculously recalled after it was brought to Mr. Schiavo’s attention that his statement alone might well be legally insufficient to determine the intent of Terri Schiavo.

    4. Judge Greer ignored the affidavits of three of the caretakers of Terri Schiavo. The affidavits are as follows:

    A. “AFFIDAVIT
    _________

    STATE OF FLORIDA )
    COUNTY OF PINELLAS )

    BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA
    SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

    1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make
    this statement of my own personal knowledge.

    2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed
    continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a
    Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years.

    3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in
    Largo, Florida from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo
    was a patient there.

    4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri
    Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for
    any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial
    training there consisted solely of the instruction “Do what Michael
    Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated.” This struck me as
    extremely odd.

    5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance
    whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere
    throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo’s intimidation.
    Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be
    close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always
    had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as
    “This is my order and you’re going to follow it.” He is very large and
    uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you,
    getting right in your face and practically shouting.

    6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for
    Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to
    believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens
    while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted
    nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of
    motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and
    again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no
    range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named
    Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a
    wash cloth in Terri’s hand to keep her fingers from curling together,

    and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy.

    7. Terri’s medical condition was systematically distorted and
    misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert
    and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence,
    saying such things as “mommy,” and “help me.” “Help me” was, in
    fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds
    of times. Terri would try to say the word “pain” when she was in
    discomfort, but it came out more like “pay.” She didn’t say the “n”
    sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort
    by saying “pay” and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal
    area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included
    pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or
    moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a
    bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper
    and scooted in bed on her bottom.

    8. When I came into her room and said “Hi, Terri”, she would always
    recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way
    toward me, saying “Haaaiiiii” sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a
    “hi”, which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound being only a second or two long.

    When I told her humorous stories about my life or something I read in the paper,

    Terri would chuckle, sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body,
    upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need
    to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in
    her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but
    by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart.
    Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri’s,
    someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always
    demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in
    her room with him. I documented Terri’s rehab potential well,
    writing whole pages about Terri’s responsiveness, but they would
    always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote
    so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive
    entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job
    was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a
    patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act,
    and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.

    9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri’s death.

    Michael would say “When is she going to die?,”
    “Has she died yet?” and “When is that bitch gonna die?” These
    statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would
    make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was
    talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I
    recall him making include “Can’t anything be done to accelerate her
    death – won’t she ever die?” When she wouldn’t die, Michael would
    be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be
    given information. He made numerous statements such as “Make sure
    the parents aren’t contacted.” I recorded Michael’s statements word
    for word in Terri’s chart, but these entries were also deleted after the
    end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn’t to be
    contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that
    said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael
    immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they
    should know about their daughter.

    10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her
    lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled
    even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like,”Hallelujah! You’ve made my day!”

    He would call me, as I was the nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask

    for every little detail about her temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out “I’m going to be rich!”
    and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died,
    which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among
    other things.

    11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the
    door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically
    be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be
    trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold
    sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction,
    so I’d check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low
    it was below the range where it would register an actual number
    reading. I would put dextrose in Terri’s mouth to counteract it. This
    happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri’s
    blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet
    through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected
    Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don’t have any way of knowing for sure.

    12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I
    became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the
    reasons I’ve said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named
    Carolyn Adams, known as “Andy” Adams who was a particular
    concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift,
    but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as
    “They are old – let them die.” I couldn’t believe her attitude or the fact
    that it didn’t seem to attract any attention. She made many comments
    about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it
    was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he
    complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the
    time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth
    more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to
    this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were
    cited, but I was convinced it was because of my “rocking the boat.”

    13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated
    by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would
    do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at night

    and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would tell me afterward and relay orders from him.

    14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn’t stand by
    and let Terri die without the truth being known.

    FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.
    CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N.

    The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 29 day of August,
    2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida’s driver’s license
    as identification, and who did take an oath.
    Notary Public

    B. “STATE OF FLORIDA
    COUNTY OF PINELLAS

    BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared HEIDI LAW who being first duly sworn deposes and says:

    1. My name is Heidi Law, I am over the age of 18 years, and make this statement on personal information.
    2. I worked as a Certified Nursing Assistant at the Palm Gardens nursing home from March, 1997 to mid-summer of 1997. While I was employed at Palm Gardens, occasionally I took care of Theresa Schiavo. Generally, I worked the 3 p.m. to 11 p.m. shift, but occasionally also would work a double shift, until 7 a.m. the following morning.
    3. At Palm Gardens, most of the patient care was provided by the CNAs, so I was in a good position to judge Terri’s condition and observe her reactions. Terri was noticeable, because she was the youngest patient at Palm Gardens.
    4. I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri. We spoke of this many times.
    5. Terri had very definite likes and dislikes. Olga and I used to call Terri “Fancy Pants,” because she was so particular about certain things. She just adored her baths, and was so happy afterward when she was all clean, smelling sweet from the lotion her mother provided, and wearing the soft nightgowns her mother laundered for her. Terri definitely did not like the taste of the teeth-cleaning swabs or the mouthwash we used. She liked to have her hair combed. She did not like being tucked in, and especially hated it if her legs were tightly tucked. You would always tell when Terri had a bowel movement, as she seem agitated and would sort of “scoot” to get away from it.
    6. Every day, Terri was gotten up after lunch and sat in a chair all afternoon. When Terri was in bed, she very much preferred to lie on her right side and look out the window. We always said that she was watching for her mother. It was very obvious that her mother was her favorite person in the whole world.
    7. I worked side-by-side with another CNA named Olga and could tell that she and Terri were especially close. Olga took a definite personal interest in Terri, and Terri responded to her. I could tell that Terri was very satisfied and happy with Olga’s attentions to her.
    8. When Olga was talking with Terri, Terri would follow Olga with her eyes. I have no doubt in my mind that Terri understood what Olga was saying to her. I could tell a definite difference between the way Terri responded to Olga and the way she reacted to me, until she got used to my taking care of her. Initially, she “clammed up” with me, the way she would with anyone she did not know or was not familiar or comfortable with. It took about the fourth or fifth time taking care of her alone, without Olga, that Terri became relaxed and cooperative and non-resistant with me.
    9. Terri reacted very well to seeing a picture of her mother, which was in her room. Many times when I came on duty it would be lying face down where she could not see it.
    10. At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened. I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag. Olga and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy. On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael.
    11. On one occasion Michael Schiavo arrived with his girlfriend, and they entered Terri’s room together. I heard Michael tell his girlfriend that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and was dying. After they left, Olga told me that Terri was extremely agitated and upset, and wouldn’t react to anyone. When she was upset, which was usually the case after Michael was there, she would withdraw for hours. We were convinced that he was abusing her, and probably saying cruel, terrible things to her because she would be so upset when he left.
    12. In the past, I have taken care of comatose patients, including those in a persistent vegetative state. While it is true that those patients will flinch or make sounds occasionally, they don’t do it as a reaction to someone on a constant basis who is taking care of them, the way I saw Terri do.
    13. I witnessed a priest visiting Terri a couple of times. Terri would become quiet when he prayed with her. She couldn’t bow her head because of her stiff neck, but she would still try. During the prayer, she would keep her eyes closed, opening them afterward. She laughed at jokes he told her. I definitely know that Terri “is in there.”
    14. The Palm Gardens staff, myself included, were just amazed that a “Do Not Resuscitate” order had been put on Terri’s chart, considering her age and her obvious cognitive awareness of her surroundings.
    15. During the time I cared for Terri, she formed words. I have heard her say “mommy” from time to time, and “momma,” and she also said “help me” a number of times. She would frequently make noises like she was trying to talk. Other staff members talked about her verbalizations.
    16. Several times when Michael visited Terri during my shift, he went into her room alone and closed the door. This worried me because I didn’t trust Michael. When he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists and some times had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy. It would take much more time and effort than usual to work her hands open to clean her palms.
    17. I was told by supervisory staff that Michael was Terri’s legal guardian, and that it didn’t matter what the parents or the doctors or nurses wanted, just do what Michael told you to do or you will lose your job. Michael would override the orders of the doctors and nurses to make sure Terri got no treatment. Among the things that Terri was deprived of by Michael’s orders were any kind of testing, dental care or stimulation. I was ordered by my supervisors to limit my time with Terri. I recall telling my supervisor that Terri seemed abnormally warm to the touch. I was told to pull her covers down, rather than to take her temperature. As far as I know, Terri never left her room. The only stimulation she had was looking out the window and watching things, and the radio, which Michael insisted be left on one particular station. She had a television, and there was a sign below it saying not to change the channel. This was because of Michael’s orders.
    18. As a CNA, I wanted every piece of information I could get about my patients. I never had access to medical records as a CNA, but it was part of my job duties to write my observations down on sheets of paper, which I turned over to the nurse at the nurses station for inclusion in the patients charts. In the case of Terri Schiavo, I felt that my notes were thrown out without even being read. There were trash cans at the nurses stations that we were supposed to empty each shift, and I often saw the notes in them. I made extensive notes and listed all of Terri’s behaviors, but there was never any apparent follow up consistent with her responsiveness.
    19. I discussed this situation with other personnel at Palm Gardens, particularly with Olga, and another CNA, an older black man named Ewan Morris. We all discussed the fact that we could be fired for reporting that Terri was responsive, and especially for giving her treatment. The advice among the staff was “don’t do nothin’, don’t see nothin’ and don’t say nothin’.” It was particularly distressing that we always had to be afraid that if Michael got upset, he would take his anger out on Terri.
    20. I recall an incident when Olga became very upset because Terri started to get a sore spot, because it might lead to a bedsore. Michael was told about it but didn’t seem to care. He didn’t complain about it all, in fact, saying “she doesn’t know the difference.” When Terri would get a UTI or was sick, Michael’s mood would improve.

    FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.

    Heidi Law, Affiant

    STATE OF FLORIDA
    COUNTY OF PINELLAS

    Sworn to and subscribed before me this day of September, 2003, by HEIDI LAW, who produced a Florida Driver’s License as identification.

    Notary Public

    C. “CAROLYN JOHNSON, CNA

    STATE OF FLORIDA

    COUNTY OF PINELLAS

    AFFIDAVIT

    _________

    BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CAROLYN JOHNSON who being first duly sworn deposes and says:

    1. My name is Carolyn Johnson, I am over the age of 18 years and make this statement on personal information.

    2. I used to work at Sabal Palms nursing home in Largo, for a period of about two years. I actually was employed by a nursing agency and was placed at Sabal Palms as a Certified Nursing Assistant (CNA). I believe the events related here occurred in about 1993.

    3. During this assignment I took care of Terri Schiavo several times. The first time I saw her my duties were being explained to me by the nurse on duty. Terri Schiavo was lying in bed. Another patient, also a young woman about the same age and in the same condition, was sitting up in a chair, with a drink cup and straw in front of her.

    4. I asked why Terri was not up in a chair, too. I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri. This surprised me, as I did not think a guardian could go against a doctor’s orders like that, but I was assured that a guardian could and that this guardian had gone against Terri’s doctor’s orders.

    5. No one was allowed to just go in and see Terri. Michael had a visitors list. We all knew that we would lose our jobs if we did not do exactly what Michael said to do.

    6. I remember seeing Michael Schiavo only once the entire time I worked at Sabal Palms, but we were all aware that Terri was not to be given any kind of rehabilitative help, per his instructions. Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri’s hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this, as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation.

    7. This entire experience made me look hard at nursing homes. After about two years, I quit this job, because I was so disillusioned with the way Terri was treated. Someone somewhere along the way should have reported this.

    FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.

    Carolyn Johnson, Affiant”

    5. Judge Greer failed to remove Michael Schiavo from acting as Guardian ad Litem in spite of a clear financial conflict, he would inherit the settlement funds from the lawsuit he filed on her behalf, and a personal conflict in that Michael Schiavo could marry his mistress after Terri Schiavowas slain. The Court might have taken notice of the fact that throughout the lawsuit Michael Schiavo often stated that it was his intention to take care of his wife for the rest of his life, and that his attitude changed only after the lawsuit settled with 700,000 being award to Terri and 300,000 to him for loss of consortium.

    6. Judge Greer discharged the original Guardian ad Litem, an attorney appointed to represent a minor or someone mentally incompetent, for Terri Schiavo after that Guardian ad Litem suggested that Michael Schiavo be removed as guardian due to his financial conflict of interest.

    7. This list could go on for considerable length. Judge Greer simply ignored evidence that stood in the way of the death of Terri Schiavo.

    8. The trial transcript may be read here.

    9. The position of the Church regarding the killing of people by dehydration is crystal clear.

    10. I will give the final word on this case to my favorite Leftist atheist, Nat Hentoff:

    “Contrary to what you’ve read and seen in most of the media, due process has been lethally absent in Terri Schiavo’s long merciless journey through the American court system.”

  • Thanks. Worth the time to read. The whole story is like a horror movie except that the victim was not rescued in the end. God bless the RN and CNAs who tried to comfort and nurse Terry. The nursing facility should have lost its license; Michael Schiavo tried, convicted and jailed; and the judge impeached and disbarred. The fix was in with Judge Greer the executioner.

  • “The fix was in with Judge Greer the executioner.”

    Precisely.

  • I was astounded at the vehemence that acquaintances showed against Terri when I discussed the issue with them. They would not listen to any other opinion than she was a vegetable and needed to be put down.
    Yet, the same thing continues today. More’s the pity.

Terri Schiavo Was Unavailable For Comment

Tuesday, January 13, AD 2015

 

 

Dr. Peter Saunders wrote

The Sunday Times today tells the story of Martin Pistorius, a South African man who ended up paralyzed and comatose following a throat infection at the age of 12. His awareness began to improve four years later and by the age of 19 had fully returned.

However it was a further five years before a therapist noticed that he was trying to communicate. The penny eventually dropped that he had been aware of everything going on around him for almost ten years whilst everybody had assumed he was unconscious.

As the opening question in what NPR says is a new program on human behavior called “Invisibila” [“how invisible things shape our behavior and our lives”], Lulu Miller asks

What would you do if you were locked in your body, your brain intact but with no way to communicate? How do you survive emotionally when you are invisible to everyone you know and love?

Miller writes in more detail, but the picture of Martin’s early years is grimly the same. In the late 1980s, at age 12 he came down with a mysterious disease which got progressively worse (the best guess doctors could make was cryptococcal meningitis). Interestingly, Miller never uses what came to be the final diagnosis: locked-in syndrome

Eventually he lost even his ability to make eye contact and finally his capacity to speak. His parents were told to take him home to prepare for his death, but Martin did not die.

His parents’ steadfast commitment to his care is remarkable. For example, his dad, Rodney, got up at the crack of dawn, Miller writes, and would

get him dressed, load him in the car, take him to the special care center where he’d leave him.

“Eight hours later, I’d pick him up, bathe him, feed him, put him in bed, set my alarm for two hours so that I’d wake up to turn him so that he didn’t get bedsores,” Rodney says.

That was their lives, for 12 years

Still Miller does not paint Martin’s parents as some sort of plaster saints. Joan Miller, not thinking her son was “there” to could hear her,

vividly remembers looking at Martin one day and saying: “‘I hope you die.’ I know that’s a horrible thing to say,” she says now. “I just wanted some sort of relief.”

What she couldn’t know of her boy who “just kept going, just kept going,” was that the now-39-year-old Martin heard her perfectly, not from the beginning of his “vegetative” state, but from about two years later when he was around 14.

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  • The rational, immortal, human soul has the faculties of free will and intellect. The soul leaves the body when the soul can no longer abide in it. This is death.
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    Martin’s soul stayed. It must have hurt him when his mother said she wished that he would die, but then, too, he must have had some concept of how much suffering he brought to her, and this might have brought him around sooner. Charity begins at home.
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    The greater crime of Michael Schiavo is that he refused to return Terry to her family who fought in court for her life. Michael Schiavo is a death monger who sold his soul to the devil. Good luck with that ladies.
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    Terry had her soul. If atheism had not been established by our courts and imposed on a free people, Terry would be alive and well today. Terry Schindler Schiavo is the saint and standard of our times for the founding principle of the Right to Life.

  • Terri Shiavo was alive. She was murdered. Pure and simple. Murdered. This video demonstrates she was alive and thinking, and her husband had her put to death.

  • “She was murdered. Pure and simple. Murdered.”

    Judicially murdered Paul, which is the worst type of murder there is.

  • Rodney, Martins father, a superb example of Charity begins at home.
    The Locked In Syndrome explanation in the story above, and Martins ability to get through each day battling and displacing his thoughts was remarkable.

    Terry Schiavo IS proud of you Mr. McClarey…great post.

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  • Not only did Michael Schiavo have his wife murdered by starvation and dehydration but he had the audacity to then marry his concubine in a Catholic Church in Safety Harbor, Florida !!!!! Did the Bishop of St. Petersburg give a dispensation for this sacrilege? Who knows? Now, you may say, he had repented before receiving the Holy Sacrament of Matrimony. Hopefully, but the book he wrote did not in any way show remorse for the crime he committed against Terri.

  • Marguerite, If I were the wife of Michael Schiavo, I would run and hide for my life. Does she believe he has changed from a cold blooded, conniving murderer to a warm loving husband?..like climbing in bed with a snake.

  • I recently read that a marriage is invalid if one murders his former spouse in order to marry another. So one may speculate that Michael Schiavo’s current “marriage” is not a marriage, even though it occurred in a church.

  • Thank you, Barbara Jay. Informed consent must come from purity with sincerity. The man has no soul.

Terri Schiavo Was Unavailable For Comment

Wednesday, April 16, AD 2014

Jesus Wept:

People with severe brain injuries sometimes emerge from a coma awake but unresponsive, leaving families with painful questions. Are they aware? Can they think and feel? Do they have any chance of recovery?

A new study has found that PET scans may help answer these wrenching questions. It found that a significant number of people labeled vegetative had received an incorrect diagnosis and actually had some degree of consciousness and the potential to improve. Previous studies using electroencephalogram machines and M.R.I. scanners have also found signs of consciousness in supposedly vegetative patients.

“I think these patients are kind of neglected by both medicine and society,” said Dr. Steven Laureys, an author of the new study and the director of the Coma Science Group at the University of Liège in Belgium. “Many of them don’t even see a medical doctor or a specialist for years. So I think it’s very important to ask the question, are they unconscious?”

In the United States, 100,000 to 300,000 people are thought to be minimally conscious, and an additional 25,000 are vegetative. In Belgium, the combined incidence of the two conditions is about 150 new cases per year, Dr. Laureys said.

An article about the new research was published on Tuesday in The Lancet.

Dr. Laureys and his colleagues studied 122 patients with brain injuries, including 41 who had been declared vegetative — awake but with no behavioral signs of awareness. People who are vegetative for a year are thought to have little or no chance of recovering, and the condition can become grounds for withdrawing medical treatment. Terri Schiavo, in a vegetative state for 15 years, died in 2005 in Florida after courts allowed the removal of her feeding tube.

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  • The court was told by Michael Schiavo that Terry had said that she would not want to live. Terry could not change her mind, if, in fact, she had said something to that effect? Terry had a strong will to live. It took 18 days for Michael Schiavo, the court and the police to starve Terry to death.
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    “Where did we go wrong?” “When you put the first innocent person to death.” from the Trial at Nuremberg

  • So sad.

    It’s clear her husband didnt want the “burden” of caring for her on that state.

    The PET scan is such a simple procedure, as they inject the radiation and wait around 45mins for it to travel in your body. I’ve had 3. And if that could have put to bed the argument that she wasn’t conscious enough to be alive, then its heartbreaking.

    God see’s all. His Just Love cannot be fooled, and the parties that had her starved to death will answer to Him. God have mercy on their souls.

  • ““Where did we go wrong?” “When you put the first innocent person to death.” from the Trial at Nuremberg”

    Ernst Janning: “Judge Haywood… the reason I asked you to come: Those people, those millions of people… I never knew it would come to that. You must believe it, you must believe it!”

    Judge Dan Haywood: “Herr Janning, it “came to that” the first time you sentenced a man to death you knew to be innocent.”

    Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)

  • “It’s clear her husband didnt want the “burden” of caring for her on that state.”

    STATE OF FLORIDA )
    COUNTY OF PINELLAS )

    BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA
    SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

    1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make
    this statement of my own personal knowledge.

    2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed
    continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a
    Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years.

    3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in
    Largo, Florida from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo
    was a patient there.

    4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri
    Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for
    any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial
    training there consisted solely of the instruction “Do what Michael
    Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated.” This struck me as
    extremely odd.

    -1-

    5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance
    whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere
    throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo’s intimidation.
    Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be
    close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always
    had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as
    “This is my order and you’re going to follow it.” He is very large and
    uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you,
    getting right in your face and practically shouting.

    6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for
    Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to
    believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens
    while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted
    nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of
    motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and
    again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no
    range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named
    Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a
    wash cloth in Terri’s hand to keep her fingers from curling together,

    -2-

    and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy.

    7. Terri’s medical condition was systematically distorted and
    misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert
    and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence,
    saying such things as “mommy,” and “help me.” “Help me” was, in
    fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds
    of times. Terri would try to say the word “pain” when she was in
    discomfort, but it came out more like “pay.” She didn’t say the “n”
    sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort
    by saying “pay” and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal
    area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included
    pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or
    moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a
    bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper
    and scooted in bed on her bottom.

    8. When I came into her room and said “Hi, Terri”, she would always
    recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way
    toward me, saying “Haaaiiiii” sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a
    “hi”, which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound

    -3-

    being only a second or two long. When I told her humrous stories
    about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle,
    sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body,
    upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need
    to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in
    her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but
    by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart.
    Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri’s,
    someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always
    demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in
    her room with him. I documented Terri’s rehab potential well,
    writing whole pages about Terri’s responsiveness, but they would
    always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote
    so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive
    entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job
    was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a
    patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act,
    and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.

    9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused

    -4-

    on Terri’s death. Michael would say “When is she going to die?,”
    “Has she died yet?” and “When is that bitch gonna die?” These
    statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would
    make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was
    talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I
    recall him making include “Can’t anything be done to accelerate her
    death – won’t she ever die?” When she wouldn’t die, Michael would
    be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be
    given information. He made numerous statements such as “Make sure
    the parents aren’t contacted.” I recorded Michael’s statements word
    for word in Terri’s chart, but these entries were also deleted after the
    end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn’t to be
    contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that
    said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael
    immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they
    should know about their daughter.

    10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her
    lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled
    even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like,

    -5-

    “Hallelujah! You’ve made my day!” He would call me, as I was the
    nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her
    temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently
    asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out “I’m going to be rich!”
    and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died,
    which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among
    other things.

    11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the
    door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically
    be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be
    trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold
    sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction,
    so I’d check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low
    it was below the range where it would register an actual number
    reading. I would put dextrose in Terri’s mouth to counteract it. This
    happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri’s
    blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet
    through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected
    Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don’t have

    -6-

    any way of knowing for sure.

    12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I
    became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the
    reasons I’ve said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named
    Carolyn Adams, known as “Andy” Adams who was a particular
    concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift,
    but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as
    “They are old – let them die.” I couldn’t believe her attitude or the fact
    that it didn’t seem to attract any attention. She made many comments
    about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it
    was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he
    complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the
    time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth
    more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to
    this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were
    cited, but I was convinced it was because of my “rocking the boat.”

    13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated
    by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would
    do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at

    -7-

    night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these
    phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would
    tell me afterward and relay orders from him.

    14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn’t stand by
    and let Terri die without the truth being known.

    FURTHER AFFIANT SAYETH NAUGHT.


    CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N.

    The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 29 day of August,
    2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida’s driver’s license
    as identification, and who did take an oath.


    Notary Public

    My commission expires

  • The Code of 1804 (Code Napoléon) provided a very simple definition: a person is dead, when a severed vein no longer bleeds.

    Of course, when hospitals became chop-shops for transplant surgery, this definition was found inconvenient. One might have thought that clarity and certainty in such matters were very convenient indeed, but the article was amended notwithstancing

  • Thank you Donald McClarey. Will save the correct version.
    .
    Terry Schindler Shiavo’s parents fought for custody of her in court. Was Terry allowed Holy Communion? Terry was treated as a non-person. The state does not give personhood. God does.
    .
    Michael wanted Terry dead. Michael Schiavo could have divorced Terry after the court gave custody to the Schindlers, who heartbrokenly had to watch their daughter starved to death. The court gave custody of Terry to the man who wanted her death.

  • Sorry typo, I meant “in” that state (condition), not “on” that state.

    Thank you for the transcript Donald.

    Im speechless. I had heard of Terri’s case, but being outside of the US, didnt know the full details of her story.

    Why didnt the nurse go to the police with evidence that her husband wanted Terri dead? That he was abusing her? That he was intimidating staff? That he tried to spike her sugar levels? That he was altering her records?

    You wish smart phones were around at the time, as it would have been very easy to capture footage or audio of this mans filth.

    I have a query: would you say that regardless of the volumes of evidence presented in court against Michael Schiavo, andin favour of Terri’s consciousness, the state of Florida would have ruled in favour of Michael Schiavo, regardless? If so, why?

  • Ms. Sauer’s testimony is disturbing.

    This is the first time I’ve read it. Thank you Mr. McClarey.

    As Terri suffered her starvation her advocate Pope JP II united his sufferings to that of our Lords on Good Friday 2000 plus years ago. Redemptive suffering for the intentions of what?
    Holy souls in purgatory?
    End of abortion on demand?
    For Terri Schiavo possibly?

    March 31st Terri died. Two days later our beloved Pope of whom championed the right to Life died.

    The struggle for life and these two souls will always be united in my heart. Even though the right to life was denied Terri, the fight is far from over. Right to Life from natural conception to natural death.

  • “Why didnt the nurse go to the police with evidence that her husband wanted Terri dead? That he was abusing her? That he was intimidating staff? That he tried to spike her sugar levels? That he was altering her records?”

    These and other affidavits of staffers were brought to the attention of the court. Judge Greer, incomprehensibly, ruled them to be irrelevant.

    http://archive.lifenews.com/bio1715.html

  • Well the police didnt even investigate the nurses claims. Or they did, and were silenced themselves.

    I wish there was a way to prosecute MIchael Schiavo, in light of the nurses testimony, post-Terris death….this man seems unfit to be living amongst free society.

  • And if the judge ruled them irrelevant, what on earth is “relevant” evidence, when it comes to the insincerity of her husband.

  • In the first weeks of our married life, we roomed with a couple who rented a room to an older person who had gotten hit by a streetcar and was in a coma for36 YEARS! He attended the old state school in Dixon, Ill. and worked at the old Marshal Field in shipping. He would travel all over the country on his vacations, by himself. I do not know if he had any living relatives, but he was happy, had a job to support himself, and a place to live, thanks to our landlady. I also have worked with many physically burdened people over my 40 years as a CNA and had to time and again educate the other workers to slow down, let a person eat, talk to them, in short, treat them as you would like to be treated. It is enormously cruel these days to see the lack of compassion in many nursing homes.

  • Thank you for providing the nurse’s statement. My mother went to the ER on a Mon a.m. with a UTI. She was in her early mid 90s. I won’t go into all the details but by Wed eve she couldn’t communicate. I had to tell the nurse mom’s breathing was raspy as in pneumonia because she said she couldn’t hear it. By Thurs a.m. she was in the ICU. My MD brother kept in contact by phone but couldn’t be there because of the hurricane. On her 11th day in ICU which was the day after the storm passed through, my mother passed to her eternal reward. Unlike Terry Schiavo, her priest was there with me and he gave her the Precious Blood and blessed her with the papal indulgence. Father saw a tear after the blessing and I, concerned that she might be in pain, rang for the nurse. In retrospect I think it was a tear of joy. Mother died an hour later with a kindly nurse reading the 23rd Psalm and I holding mom’s hand and reciting the “Hail Mary…..now and at the hour of her death.”
    Here’s the point of my comment: There are many in the medical field that practice, either elderly or passively, what we describe as elderly euthanasia, . My mother had an advanced medical directive which was in agreement with the teachings of our faith and my brother, an ER doc, and I shared responsibility for her medical treatment. She did not have a DNR. My brother had always advised against it as every case is different. He told us that he had seen instances of patients, not his, in the ER who had DNRs and thus were not given treatment when an antibiotic could have saved an elderly pneumonia victim or meds could have saved a heart patient. In my state a DNR form is bright yellow. Unfortunately the acceptance or refusal in my mother’s case was on the back page.
    In assisted living and hospitals even for any routine test as an outpatient, there is a push to have a Do Not Resuscitate. In the ICU it was the night duty dr., a non Christian, who called and talked about mother’s DNR on 3 occasions. I would set the dr.r straight on NO DNR and refer her to my brother. Even some of the nurses in the ICU had not read mom’s chart thoroughly and only grudgingly let me see it. There was much pressure not to have her intibated, but we did and mother breathed on her own after the treatments and continued to do so up to her death. As my brother said, we gave mother a fighting chance.
    When the chief of service returned from leave I complained but by then it was too late.

  • A typo re elderly euthanasia, I mean to say practicing it either actively or passively, not elderly or passively.
    Happy and Blessed Easter to all.

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  • Thank you, Cam. Greatly appreciate this sharing. R.I.P. Cam’s mother.

  • To add to the horror and shame of her murder:

    http://jimmyakin.com/2006/01/terri_shiavos_h.html

    And, while this all happened, Catholic Jeb Bush was silent, hiding under his desk.

  • Michael Schiavo and his mistress can fool the priest, but Michael Schiavo and his mistress cannot fool God. Maybe they deserve each other, worrying about who is going to kill off whom.

  • “Michael Schiavo and his mistress can fool the priest, but Michael Schiavo and his mistress cannot fool God. Maybe they deserve each other, worrying about who is going to kill off whom.”

    Spot on Mary!

Terri Schiavo Is Still Unavailable for Comment

Thursday, February 14, AD 2013

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  • what that stupid moron of a husband did to her was unforgivable….it was murder plain and simple…

  • Motive.
    Was her husband motivated to move on with new lover?
    Was he, in his mind, doing what Terri would of wanted in this case?

    This tragic story was / is a heart breaker.
    Terri’s family touched my heart deeply.

  • “Loving husband” “recalled” what Terri supposedly wanted Philip after the personal injury case he brought on behalf of Terri was settled. Up until that time he claimed that he was going to spend the rest of his life caring for her. He then went to court to put her to death. When it was brought to his attention that the court would not likely order the judicial murder of his wife for him unless there was some evidence of her wishes, Mirabile dictu!, he “recalled” that after watching a movie on Karen Ann Quinlan she allegedly remarked that she would not want to be kept alive in such a situation. His statement was backed up by his brother, and his brother’s wife. Terri’s family vigorously argued that this was nonsense and that Terri was a Catholic who believed in the sanctity of life. This was the sole basis for the Court putting Terri to death by dehydration. By the time of her death “loving husband” had of course been shacked up with another woman for years and had two children by her. He married his mistress in 2006.

  • ‘Loving husband’ was a piece of work. Terri Schiavo was the default earner in that marriage due to her husband’s frequent changes of employer, which was in turn due to personality defects (among them a tendency to attempt to menace both co-workers and customers). Her co-workers were rather undone by the character of Michael Schiavo’s phone calls to his wife at work and also his practice of recording odometer readings to monitor her driving (conjoined to berating her for over use of the car she was fueling with her earnings). Mrs. Schiavo’s medical records also revealed a perplexing number of injuries.

  • I’ve always wondered if he wasn’t paid a large sum of money on the side by the likes of the Hemlock Society membership/leadership/attornies he had working with him to put Terri to death. Remember reading an article that mentioned the direct involvement of several Hemlock Society members in the decision/enforcement to dehydrate her to death. It is against the law to dehydrate an animal to death–but not a human being. Shows the true depths of depravity to which American legal realm/cultural realm/health care realm has reached.

  • Seems like I read about the Hemlock Society’s search for the perfect case to get a legal judgement that allowed such a person put to death.

  • Thank you for answering my inquiry Donald.
    I recall some home video that was on You Tube showing her laughing with her father.
    It was not long before her executioner signed the doc’s. How the family held together during this atrocity is proof of Christ’s Grace at work. If only the ( loving husband ) was open to said Grace.

  • Terri Schiavo came under the protective custody of the court as a ward of the court when Michael Schiavo sought to end her life, as did the child in Roe v. Wade. Michael Schiavo lost power of attorney and custody of Terri Schiavo when he acted against her best interest, in court and again in the nursing home, when Michael Schiavo refused Terri’s parents access to visitation with their daughter.

    The court has no power to deny a person the practice of the corporal works of mercy, feeding the hungry and giving drink to the thirsty.

    The court has no power to deny Terri’s parents peaceable assembly with their child. Michael’s appearance in court to terminate Terri’s life is, in fact, a violation of peaceable assembly. The court’s convening to dispense death is a violation of peaceable assembly. Death is disassembly.

    Socrates became an accessory to his own murder when he imbibed the hemlock by his own hand, most probably to be away from his tormentors. Jesus let Himself be killed to be with us.

  • Barbara Gordon: “It is against the law to dehydrate an animal to death–but not a human being.” Any one seeking death is mentally incompetent and comes under the protection of the court.

  • Technically, the court relinquished custody of Terri Schiavo into the hands of Michael Schiavo without just cause, since Michael Schiavo was seeking to end her life. Michael Schiavo, his brother and his brother’s wife’s testimony became practically irrelevant because Michael Schiavo had a conflict of interest in Terri Schiavo’s settlement.

Terri Schiavo Could Not Be Reached For Comment

Tuesday, November 13, AD 2012

Here is some new research for a court to consider prior to sentencing another person in a vegetative state to death by dehydration , as was done to Terri Schiavo:

 

 

A Canadian man presumed to be in a permanent vegetative state for more than a decade is “talking” to researchers and answering their questions.

Severely brain injured in a traffic crash 12 years ago, Scott Routley’s  condition had been officially classified “vegetative state,” unable to  communicate with the outside world.

His family has always believed differently.

Now, high-tech brain imaging appears to have proven them right.

With the help of functional MRI, Routley has been able to answer “No” to the  question, “Are you in pain?”

The finding, first reported Tuesday by the BBC, could have  profound implications for helping those locked in a vegetative state.

“Brain imaging techniques are helping us to  understand more about what some of these patients can and can’t do, particularly  things they can do that might not be apparent from standard clinical  examination,” said Adrian Owen of the University of Western Ontario’s Centre for  Brain and Mind. The British neuroscientist moved to Canada last year from the University of Cambridge.

“His official clinical condition has been that he was in a vegetative state.  But his family have always maintained that there is more going on with Scott — that he is aware of many things going on around him, and even that he was able  to communicate,” Owen said in an interview with Postmedia News.

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  • John 11:35 is most appropriate – Jesus wept after meeting Mary and Martha, and telling them that He is the resurrecion and the life, and just before He arrived at Lazarus’s tomb. But we with our modern technology would have executed Lazarus by harvesting his internal organs for transplants. Jesus still weeps.

  • I saw Salvage’s comment before deletion. He is a rabid atheist who goes from Catholic blog to Catholic blog to disseminate hate and discontent. Sad.

  • Very sad Paul. What a poor, bitter, futile way to lead a life.

  • I remember the prayers for Terry and not to much later JP II. One day we will all be together at the colossal family reunion.
    God bless us everyone.

  • The fact that Governor Jeb Bush did not intervene in saving her life told me everything I needed to know about this so-called catholic. And now the RINO’s will attempt to foist him upon us in 2016? Count me out.

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  • I remember the Terri Schiavo case well. The priest who was raising donations for her cause was doing a great job. I can’t quite recall his name, but at the time I was doing okay, so I sent $100. to assist in the legal case. A trajedy that she was denied her life. That Michael Schiavo has a lot to answer for before his Judge.

  • Terry Schiavo became a ward of the court when she was rejected by Michael Schiavo, just like every, unborn, unwanted person. As a ward of the court, Terry Schiavo ought to have been given back to her parents, who begged for her. The judge played political opinion instead of JUSTICE and ought to be unbenched, recalled or whatever, for not knowing and dispensing JUSTICE, his job, and for doing his own evil will. As a living person, Terry Schiavo ought to have been free to accept gifts of water, food, compassion and friendship. Terry Schiavo was denied the most menial of human expression. Terry Schiavo became the property of the state, instead of a ward of the court, and has been denied the most humble expressions of humanity, the virtue of charity, over which the state has no business, control or authentic authority. Terry Schiavo was denied her human soul by a soulless government, an atheocracy of Godless men and empty shirts. Please remove these political sycophants from the court of Justice. One Hail Mary in Latin

Oops, Guess He Was Not In A Persistent Vegetative State!

Tuesday, November 24, AD 2009

Ron Houben was paralyzed and trapped in his own body for 23 years.  Doctors labeled him as being in a coma and in a persistent vegetative state.  As the Mail Online reports, they were gravely in error:

Rom Houben, trapped in his paralysed body after a car crash, described his real-life nightmare as he screamed to doctors that he could hear them – but could make no sound.

‘I screamed, but there was nothing to hear,’ said Mr Houben, now 46, who doctors thought was in a persistent vegetative state.

Three years ago new high-tech scans revealed that his brain was functioning normally.

His case has only just been revealed in a scientific paper released by the man who ‘saved’ him, top neurological expert Dr Steven Laureys.

‘Medical advances caught up with him,’ said Dr Laureys, who believes there may be many similar cases of false comas around the world.

Dr Laureys’s new study claims that patients classed as in a vegetative state are often misdiagnosed.

‘Anyone who bears the stamp of “unconscious” just one time hardly ever gets rid of it again,’ he said.

The doctor, who leads the Coma Science Group and Department of Neurology at Liege University Hospital, found Mr Houben’s brain was still working by using state-of-the-art imaging.

He plans to use the case to highlight what he considers may be similar examples around the world.

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Father and Daughter Reunited

Monday, August 31, AD 2009

Robert Schindler,Sr., the father of Terri Schiavo has died.  National Right to Life has released this letter:

“NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE MOURNS THE LOSS OF ROBERT SCHINDLER, SR.

WASHINGTON – The National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), the nation’s largest pro-life group, today joined with pro-lifers nationwide in mourning the passing of our dear friend Robert Schindler, Sr., the father of Terri Schindler Schiavo. Mr. Schindler died this morning in St. Petersburg, Florida.

“Bob Schindler was an extraordinary father, husband and friend,” said Wanda Franz, Ph.D., National Right to Life President. “His death is a profound loss for all of us in the pro-life movement. Today, our thoughts and prayers are with his loving wife, Mary and their children, Bobby and Suzanne.”

Despite facing legal setbacks at virtually every turn, the Schindlers, with their children at their side, fought unceasingly to defend the right of their daughter, Terri Schindler Schiavo, to receive food and fluids. Their brave struggle ended on March 31, 2005, when Terri died from a court-ordered withdrawal of nutrition and hydration.

Following Terri’s death, the family began advocating for other medically dependent and disabled patients facing similar circumstances through the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation.

In 2007, the National Right to Life Educational Trust Fund honored the Schindler family with the Proudly Pro-Life Award for their dedication and public witness to the cause of life.

“In life, Bob, and his wife Mary, never sought the spotlight. They only wished to care for their beloved daughter, Terri. Through their selfless dedication to Terri, they showed the nation and the world what it means when someone says they are ‘pro-life’,” added David N. O’Steen, Ph.D., National Right to Life Executive Director.

The National Right to Life Committee, the nation’s largest pro-life group is a federation of affiliates in all 50 states and 3,000 local chapters nationwide. National Right to Life works through legislation and education to protect those threatened by abortion, infanticide, euthanasia and assisted suicide.”

 

Terri Schiavo of course was judicially murdered by the State of Florida in 2005 at the behest of her “loving husband”, Michael Schiavo.  A few comments about that judicial travesty:

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  • I believe the Schiavo case showed me how much Jeb and GW were involved with the rhetoric for life, but did nothing which they could have done was done by their own authority to save one life (many options were available). Obviously many others were complicit here, but, we must recognize the failure of the Bushes here especially, since they were given many opportunities but appeared to be more interested in politics than life.

  • And the man sitting in the White House deeply regretted his vote in the Senate to attempt to save the life of Schiavo.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hentoff032608.php3

    I applaud the Bushes for their efforts to save Terri. Short of doing so at gunpoint there was nothing more they could have done after Judge Greer decreed her death and his ruling was upheld numerous times by the appellate courts.

  • The culture of death can always rely on Obama.

  • Donald

    Wrong, there was much which could have been done – that is the issue; there were all kinds of solutions given to them (I know this first hand), and only after she died, the one who gave the advice was told, “You were right, we could have done that.” They only played lipped service to the case, nothing else. This way they can look as if they were doing something, while doing nothing and not risk their political career.

  • “lip service” sheesh for the typo.

  • Karlson you are completely mistaken. Once the court made its ruling and it was upheld on appeal the only way out was to have an appellate court reverse Judge Greer. Jeb Bush attempted to do it by Terri’s Law which was ruled unconstitutional:

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/23/schiavo/index.html

    George Bush attempted to do this by the legislation passed by Congress, but the federal courts refused to reverse the trial court.

    http://capwiz.com/nrlc/issues/votes/?chamber=H&congress=1091&votenum=90

    How about you telling us precisely what else could have been done and I’ll explain to you why it would have been unsuccessful unless Jeb and George Bush were willing to overrule Greer at gunpoint.

  • I’m completely mistaken? How close were you to the family and the legal situation as it was going on? Sorry, the problem – and the Schiavos themselves know this (hence the book I suggested you look into ) — the Bush team did lip service, but behind the scenes, well, it wasn’t so pretty.

  • The reason I have to be vague should be clear, if you looked into the book and see the reference. I heard things and know things, but some things are, well, you can guess, private things.

  • I saw the reference to a Professor Karlson who I assume is a relative of yours. Considering that the case is over I can see no legal reasons for you not to freely discuss what other legal means could have been undertaken to save the life of Terri, especially since you would not be bound by attorney client confidentiality in any case.

    A good discussion of the legal difficulties confronting those attempting to save Terri is linked below:

    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/MillerSchiavo.php

    I have been a constant critic of Judge Greer in this case. I believe his rulings were one-sided and that he showed clear bias throughout the case. However, the appellate courts consistently upheld him on appeals and once that is done in a law case there is very little that can be done in the face of a judgment of a court.

  • The reference sort of indicates the direction which could have been taken (the Justice Department admitted they could have done it and it would have been legal); it would have involved opening a new case where Terri would have been called as a witness (and given witness protection); in that time then some outside sources could have done real investigation while she was in governmental protection. The legal aspects of it, I know, was worked out and again, verified it could have worked — that was had to be done, something new, a side way — to deal with the issue. But the rest again, there are things I know and still feel out of bounds to speak upon.

    And yes, that is family, my father; hence the same name. And he’s quite active in many situations and issues (even was involved with the Vatican and its work on the the sexual abuse issue in the US).

  • Karlson such an attempt to protect Terri would have been voided by Judge Greer immediately and he would have been upheld on appeal. Any stay for Terri pending the appeal would have to have been granted by either Greer or the appellate court neither of which would have granted it.

  • As a side note, I remember my father in much talk with Rick Santorum during this time; while I am critical of him in other places, I think he was one of the few who was really trying to work this out beyond the political show.

  • No, this was outside of his jurisdiction, Donald, which is why he could not void it. That was the issue. The Justice Department itself admitted that what was suggested would have worked. You are still thinking of this as one case, when it would have been a new case, outside of his authority.

  • No it was not outside of his jurisdiction. Greer would have rejected this as a transparent attempt to overturn his ruling and he would have been upheld on appeal either in the state or federal systems.

  • Donald,

    Since you were not involved with the suggestions, and do not know all the legal precedents and statutes used to justify the action, you cannot say “it was not outside of his jurisdiction.” I have only given what I could without stating too much, while again, pointing out, again, when examined over, it was proper and would have worked and this was admitted. You are thinking of the situation within the box, this was about changing the box.

  • I do litigation each day to earn my bread and butter and I have been doing so for 27 years. The strategy you suggested would have been doomed from the outset in the courts.

  • Donald

    Once again, you are looking within a box; the problem is many who do litigation think within the box. My father was quite involved in all of this and knew what he was doing — again, it was verified it would work. That’s the problem. It would have worked! Admitted!

  • Karlson, I would have rejoiced if a legal strategy could have been devised to save Terri. Emotionally I wanted Jeb Bush to save her by sending in the National Guard or George Bush to send in federal troops. Unfortunately, I could also predict what the courts would have done instantly thereafter. Greer had ruled. His ruling was res judicata in that case. He had been upheld throughout several appeals by the reviewing courts. There was no way around this unless Greer changed his mind or he was reversed.

  • The idea of filing a new case and calling Teri as a witness in order to grant her witness protection priviliges was hardly some secret strategy, it was being discussed on the National Review blogs at the time. As I recall, the consensus there too was that it wouldn’t work — though of course it has a cheekiness that’s appealing.

  • Again, this was a new way of dealing with it – which got out of Greer’s jurisdiction. That is the point. There were ways, the problem is many were going about it the wrong way! And as I have said, the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT admitted what was put on the table WOULD HAVE WORKED. The consensus was based upon an incomplete understanding of the legal statutes which were being employed in this situation. Again, the whole point is this would have moved OUT of Greer’s court — read a bit more closely from the book, and you will see _where_ the foundation lay (though again, the legal aspect is more in depth).