Model Catholic

Wednesday, May 3, AD 2017

 

Strong, strong content warning for the above video.  Remember when Bishop Barron and Mark Shea were celebrating how Catholic left wing comic Stephen Colbert was?  Go here to read about it.  Well model Catholic Colbert delivered an unfunny and obscene rant against Trump this week that stands out among the hate filled screeds that have dominated left wing commentary since the election of Trump.  Humor is hard, hate is easy.

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13 Responses to Model Catholic

  • He used to be funny.

  • To be honest, it wasn’t as profanity laced as I thought it would be. Just hate filled. I used to say our invasion of Iraq didn’t cause other countries to hate us. It gave other countries that hated us a justification for finally admitting it. And Trump has finally allowed the Left and its court prophets to set aside all pretense of tolerance and respect for diversity and proclaim their unbridled hatred of anyone who fails to conform to their dogmas, including those of narcissism and hedonism. A hatred they have had for decades, and have expressed for decades, but always behind the veil of euphemism. Now it’s out on the table for all to see. And it seems they’re enjoying the freedom of finally admitting it.

  • There was a really good priest whom I know who favorably twittered about this freaking donkey’s orifice a while back. I reminded him Colbert is pro-abort, pro sodomy. Zero response. Wonder if this priest has changed his mind and wised up yet?

  • He used to be funny? I always had a visceral dislike of him. I remember Jon Stewart being funny, but Colbert always rubbed me the wrong way.

  • It’s true what Donald said; “Humor is hard, hate is easy.” When libs banter political the aloofness of Trump I remind myself that it was the their policies and picks for representatives that put Trump in. They have only themselves to blame.
    In an awkward way this is punchline that Colbert and others like him fail to recognize. They are the butt of their own ridicule. As a wise man just said; “donkey’s orifice.” Well so be it.
    They can pout about it for at least another three and a half years.

    Poor bitches.

  • I don’t remember Bishop Barron upholding Colbert as a model Catholic. I remember it more as a blind squirrel finding a nut –when the nut falls on his head– kind of thing.

  • Pinky, Stephen could be very funny. Just check out the times he was on Who’s Line is it Anyway?

    Episode 1.17
    Episode 8.11

  • Colbert and other like-minded lefties have missing their own pacifier since 0bama left the stage. They are just acting out.

  • Up until about the nine and a half minute mark, Colbert’s bit was within bounds, other than the penis remark (I’ve always thought there was something wrong with guys who are preoccupied with the genitalia of other men, but I digress).

    Whatever one might think of President Trump, he is not a recruitment tool for skinheads. In fact, the violence is enabled if not encouraged by the leftists Colbert aligns himself with.

    As to Bishop Barron’s disgusting puff piece extolling the “depth of Catholic faith” of the pro-abort, pro-homosexual Colbert, equal, if not more, blame lies at the feet of the editor of Catholic World Report.

  • President Trump has a right to be evasive, especially to inimici, the unfriendly press. Reagan was extremely evasive and adroit (rightly) at avoiding any semblance of confidence. It must have stung the leftys. Look how they respond. It is not funny. If it weren’t for the paid audience cheering and laughing, there would be SILENCE.

  • and President Trump would not be bullied, sending Dickerson away when Dickerson tried. I am proud that I voted for President Trump.

  • I’m glad I don’t watch TV much

  • Let’s all admit, it Pres. Trump didn’t act and talk like such an idiot …. we could actually agree to disagree with these leftist folks,

Schadenfreude: Stephen Colbert

Thursday, November 10, AD 2016

 

Ah, Stephen Colbert on election night.  He bemoans the fact that Americans are so obsessed with politics.  Let that sink in.  Colbert made his career by playing a caricature of a right wing television blowhard to the delight of his left-wing audience.  It is the liberalism that he has championed throughout his career that has permeated society with noxious attempts to enforce ideological conformity.  One can imagine the different tune he would have been singing if Clinton had trounced Trump.  If an unexamined life is a tragedy, “funny man” Colbert’s life is a grim tale indeed.

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  • Your being too nice Donald, but your dead on.
    A champion of Liberalism indeed.
    Who’s laughing now?
    https://goo.gl/images/aaesGH

    How many late night jockies scrambling for the scrap’s of Liberal elite $ have bashed the Holy Catholic Church and what she stands for..and for so long?

    Who is trying to build the Church and who is trying to destroy her?

    https://thefederalist.com/2016/11/09/five-things-trumps-victory-should-teach-media/

    This is a battlefield and the likes of Colbert do not hesitate to help the enemy.

  • The Left would be nothing if not for its hypocrisy. Colbert is the embodiment of the Left as, at different points, he is actually for everything, at different points, he says he’s against. Just look at last nights protests. Could you even imagine if disgruntled conservatives took to the streets after Obama’s first victory? The outcry would be vehement. Apparently, these people don’t realize this country transitions power through elections. However, the Left is nothing but supportive of these mobs, including burning Trump in effigy.

  • Father of Seven.

    The part of his, and as a whole their, hypocrisy that hurts so much is the use of God when it’s convenient. I wonder if Colbert’s grandmother, God rest her soul, when she voted for Kennedy would of done so if abortion on demand was a platform Kennedy supported. Of course she wouldn’t…why? The time was different one might say. Response…what changed?

    Not God.
    He didn’t amend the ten commandments, except to Love God with all your heart mind body and soul, and love neighbor as yourself, a reflection of the commandments.

    What changed was fashion.
    Grampa and Grandma don’t get it because women we’re oppressed back then. Enter the thought and word presses. They crank up the language and modify their behaviour’s to satisfy their appetit regardless of the course.

    Advance through the valley to 2016.

    Gender free bathrooms.
    Taxpayer funded abortions.
    Steven Colbert singing My Country Tis if Thee, yet in reality he is not hugging a Republican.
    He is calling for unity…..now. (?)
    Having cashed in on his fame and fortune by being quippy and witty he has served his master.

    For Steven and all of us, the day will come when we meet our master face to face.

    The song continues…”let freedom ring.”
    Let the church bells ring 60 million times for the freedom denied our unborn, executed for any reason. What would Grandma say?
    She raised a Catholic or a katholic family… and the beautiful names Stevens mother named them.
    The great Saints. Steven? Stoned for the proclamation of seeing God and giving witness. Steven Colbert. You should be so grateful to follow him. You have the audience.
    If you have the faith, you should speak The Truth on your program.

    Abortion Kills human lives.

    God is not amused.

    If your liberal supporters “stone” you by having you blacklisted, then now you’ve reached greatness. Now you can bask in the knowledge of your calling..one that gives glory to God.

    Grandmother couldn’t be prouder.
    Saint Steven, pray for us.

  • I cannot say what I want to say. “…all men are created (not born) equal.”

  • As a memorial to our unborn brothers and sisters….some solemn day in the not to distant future…every Christian Church will sound one bell PER second for each aborted child that occurred since Roe v Wade.

    The bell truly would need at least 2 seconds per chime, but at one per second it would take 694 days of continuous ringing or 1.9 years.

    1440 minutes in a day-
    86,400 seconds per day-
    694 days X 86,400 = 59,961,600 est.deaths

    Almost two years of continuous bells ringing would be deafening to say the least, and that’s at 1 second per chime. Double the second and it’s almost four years of non stop Church bells.

    What’s the point?

    It would be a reminder to generations to come of the black days of Abortion on demand in the Land of the Free. A segment of history that is shameful, and great grandparents years from this future event, would tell their great grandchildren of the times the bells never stopped ringing.

    Just a thought from a simple care giver.

  • It’s as if he’s missing the obvious. As a man who has made his living as a pundit (even if they have tried to insist they’re only comedians, we all know better), and yet we are the problem for being too political. Does he not understand the backlash against this upper class elite who think they are on one plane and us little people are on the other?

  • Colbert’s performing career took precedent in his life. Like Bill Maher, some incredibly stupid TV executives thought he was funny and put him on television. Colbert is nauseating. He should be working somewhere where he says “Do you want fries with that?”

Line of Grace

Saturday, August 29, AD 2015

6 Responses to Line of Grace

  • Just one thing- Baron references comedians for publicity. With Hollywood part of his diocese, If he wanted the publicity it would have been better for Baron to have written to Colbert and reprimanded him for his views on abortion. Particular since Colbert uses his public profile to spout his Catholic upbringing and Faith. That’s the game Baron should be playing, so to speak.

  • St. Colbert… the patron saint for those struggling with conscience formation.

    Lol on the line of Grace. Artwork is priceless.

  • Thanks to God .. Again and always! Absolutely great communique of truth. Hope Colbert and Fr. Barron read this.
    And Fr Jim and folks at “America” Jesuit magazine too.

  • Fr. Barron wants to reference Colbert, Well, for Fr. Barron, I want to reference the late Soupy Sales, for Barron deserves a pie in the face for his foolishness!

  • I wish the fingers on the icon were rearranged: as depicted they signify the Trinity and the Incarnation. Let’s not give Colbert any ideas.

Bishop Elect Barron, Stephen Colbert and Abortion

Thursday, August 27, AD 2015

 

Bishop Elect Barron has a post at Catholic News Report that rubs me the wrong way.  Here is the beginning:

 

Just last week, Stephen Colbert gave an interview in which the depth of his Catholic faith was on pretty clear display. Discussing the trauma that he experienced as a young man-the deaths of his father and two of his brothers in a plane crash – he told the interviewer how, through the ministrations of his mother, he had learned not only to accept what had happened but actually to rejoice in it: “Boy, did I have a bomb when I was ten; that was quite an explosion…It’s that I love the thing that I wish most had not happened.”

Flummoxed, his interlocutor asked him to elaborate on the paradox. Without missing a beat, Colbert cited J.R.R. Tolkien: “What punishments of God are not gifts?” What a wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering! And it was delivered, not by a priest or bishop or evangelist, but by a comedian about to take over one of the most popular television programs on late night.

Go here to read the rest.  The problem that I have with this is that the Bishop-Elect fails to note that on a crucial issue, abortion, Colbert is in opposition to the Faith.  Go here to see a video in which Colbert ridicules the efforts in 2011 to defund Planned Parenthood Worse Than Murder, Inc. on the grounds that abortions make up only three percent of the business of Worse Than Murder, Inc.  There are two problems with this line of argument.  First, because it is morally obtuse:  “Look at all the good things that Hitler did!  Murdering millions of people in death camps was only a very small percentage of what the Third Reich accomplished!”  The fact that Planned Parenthood is engaged in killing innocent children in utero should be repugnant to any “good Catholic”, or, indeed, any man or woman of conscience.  Second, because it is a lie.  Colbert got the three percent figure from Planned Parenthood talking points.  The figure is ludicrous.  Planned Parenthood performs thirty percent of all abortions in this country.  Abortions are a major revenue generator for them.  Even the pro-abort Washington Post a few weeks ago, admitted that the three percent figure is deceitful:

The 3 percent figure that Planned Parenthood uses is misleading, comparing abortion services to every other service that it provides. The organization treats each service — pregnancy test, STD test, abortion, birth control — equally. Yet there are obvious difference between a surgical (or even medical) abortion, and offering a urine (or even blood) pregnancy test. These services are not all comparable in how much they cost or how extensive the service or procedure is.

The Church has been against abortion since the time of Christ.  Stephen Colbert defends the organization that promotes the ongoing murder of the most innocent among us.  Go here to watch a video of his drinking game, with a drink being taken whenever Rick Santorum mentioned partial birth abortion.

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117 Responses to Bishop Elect Barron, Stephen Colbert and Abortion

  • Another good article with astute observations.

    “Look at all the good things that Hitler did!”

    I occasionally remind my loving friends and relatives, who no longer bother with church(those with perfect lives, jobs, children, and homes) that the Nazi’s children were perfectly disciplined too.
    They don’t admit their misdirection–needless to say–I become the problem.

  • . Great piece, Don. I rarely was up that late but on a rare night I surfed to it and Jane Fonda was coming on to him
    and then sitting on his lap and getting closer. First she was on a Vietcong tank….then Colbert years later. I can only hope Whitey Bulger doesn’t get a public Mass with high clergy when he dies with subtle hints that he’s glory bound because he was good in prison. A Mass yes…but he should have been renditioned to Saudi Arabia.

  • I agree with Bill Bannon.

  • It’s way past time for us to just admit to ourselves that the leaders of our Church don’t ACTUALLY believe about abortion what they claim to believe.

  • Exceptional piece of the puzzle.
    Combine this missed opportunity with a Papal indifference to abortions then you have exactly what we experienced in the last two presidential elections… Catholics voting in pro-aborts without a care in their hearts.

    This article should be brought up next Sunday from the ambo, given by each priest as his homily.

  • Paraphrasing Twain, “Suppose you were a liberal. And, suppose you were an imbecile. But, I repeat myself.”
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    That the interviewer did not call-out Colbert on that moral nonsense tells us more about the interviewer than about Colbert.
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    “. . . .abortions make up only three percent of the business of Worse Than Murder, Inc.” is equivalent to telling a Holocaust survivor’s grandchildren that the Holocaust was less than 1% of Nazi Germany’s GDP in the 1940’s.
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    The other “moral obtuseness”, and contradiction of Catholic Teachings, is that of the sinfulness of WTM Inc.’s activities with regard to propagating artificial contraception, which, as with abortion, your (not mine) so-called hierarchy demonstrably denies.

  • I don’t typically comment but on this I feel compelled. Sometimes it’s ok to not rejoice in the sin of another and to simply celebrate the Good Work God is doing in them. My hope is that like in the gospel, those of you that would throw the first stones at your fellow humans who struggle with following the teachings of the church would be completely without sin.
    Jesus didn’t ask us, nor does the church, to lambaste our fellow Catholics in the hopes of making our positions stronger. Jesus AND the church asks us to reconcile with each other, to discern together the way of the cross and to faithfully follow Jesus joyfully.
    We are to be in the world but not of it. Sometimes the world simply does what we know to be incorrect and yet it is our job to speak in LOVE to them, and allow them to turn from the sin themselves, not to force them to do it. Planned Parenthood, while actively going against church teaching, is NOT a function of the church, nor of her people. If you force them to shut down, you will literally just cause a scattering where they reopen and resolve to fight. If you love them to the understanding of the church, not only will they voluntarily close, but you will also have evangelized and brought others to Christ.
    My question for everyone is simple, Do you love Jesus enough to allow God to work in the lives of those people that are repugnant to you? Do you love Jesus enough to show up and LOVE sinners? Do you even know Jesus?

  • “If you force them to shut down, you will literally just cause a scattering where they reopen and resolve to fight. If you love them to the understanding of the church, not only will they voluntarily close, but you will also have evangelized and brought others to Christ.”

    Why not do both? Seek to evangelize them and also seek to extend legal protection to the unborn. What a Catholic must not do is precisely what Stephen Colbert has done: defend Planned Parenthood and attack those who are attempting to end its part in the abortion holocaust.

  • Fr. Barron, a flaky Catholic celebrity praising another flaky Catholic celebrity. Par for the course!

  • I don’t understand the Bishop elect talking about a television celebrity as the topic for his Catholhc article, when there are more pressing and interesting topics to refer to?

    What is the obsession with looking to celebrities for some trace of fidelity to God? You won’t find any. And for an educated elect Bishop to do so, brings down his credibility a notch.

    It’s all mind-numbing. And because it’s mind numbing, it’s boring and frustrating. Especially when the world is so thirsty for the Word of God. Whether they realise it or not!

  • My hope is that like in the gospel, those of you that would throw the first stones at your fellow humans who struggle with following the teachings of the church would be completely without sin.

    False equivalency. It is one thing to sin and fall short in one’s behavior, and quite another to obstinately oppose a principal tenet of the faith. Colbert is not “struggling” with following the teachings of the Church; he is manifestly contradicting them.

    Jesus didn’t ask us, nor does the church, to lambaste our fellow Catholics in the hopes of making our positions stronger. Jesus AND the church asks us to reconcile with each other, to discern together the way of the cross and to faithfully follow Jesus joyfully.

    This is a strawman argument. First of all, fraternal correction is always appropriate, and does not require lambasting the other person. Second, even if one does not choose to dwell on another’s sinful or heretical behavior, it does not follow that it is then appropriate to publicly applaud a person’s faith when that person is publicly causing scandal by his opposition to Church teaching.

    Do you love Jesus enough to allow God to work in the lives of those people that are repugnant to you? Do you love Jesus enough to show up and LOVE sinners? Do you even know Jesus?>

    Perhaps you did not intend this, but your tone comes off as rather self-righteous, and frankly contradicts what you’ve just written. I always find it rather amusing that the people who complain the most bitterly about harsh judgment immediately turn around and implicitly question the interior disposition of the people they are addressing.

  • but your tone comes off as rather self-righteous,

    Or cloying.

  • ‘ fellow humans who struggle with following the teachings of the church ‘
    ‘ to reconcile with each other, to discern together the way of the cross and to faithfully follow Jesus joyfully ‘
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    The ‘Together’ part should be part of the struggle, or it becomes a cafeteria serving satisfaction for varying appetites. It is essential for the wholesomeness of the children allowed to live and the standards by which they proceed to maintain integrity and sanity..

  • Kat,
    Do you even know Scripture all of which is inspired by Jesus? Here’s Titus 3:10 ” After a first and second warning, break off contact with a heretic, 11 realizing that such a person is perverted and sinful and stands self-condemned.”
    That is Jesus saying that through the epistle author. The real Jesus left His hometown because His love did zilch there….Matthew 13:53-58….58 “And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith”.
    Where’s the heresy? Abortion is not simply universal ordinary magisterium anymore in the Church…an area somewhat iffy varying with the topic and Pope…e.g. death penalty of Romans 13:4. In Evangelium Vitae section 62 it …abortion as evil was made crystal clear in the extraordinary magisterium in words resembling the wording used in the Assumption and Immaculate Conception encyclicals. Pope St. JPII polled all Bishops on abortion and was therefore able to make its condemnation totally clear and infallible which is rare outside the problematic unversal ordinary magisterium.
    Therefore unlike most moral issues….abortion being clearly infallibly condemned along with euthanasia and killing the innocent….can theoretically lead to excommunication in a Church court. Which makes Titus 3:10 very applicable…Jesus telling you yourself to shun a fellow Catholic holding abortion as moral sometimes.
    Throwing stones by me at both Colbert and Whitey Bulger is metaphoric and quite inaccurate because I prayed for both men ….Whitey last night after hearing him call himself an Irish Catholic on an FBI tape. He strangled a young girl in front of her boyfriend because she simply knew of his being an FBI informant….and he killed many others. God reminded me recently in a street fight with a criminal that I’m frightfully near murder even now….while that was perfectly obvious when I was young. Without Him, I’m the vigilante killer…still earns eternal damnation though I do think governments should have extrajudicial killing teams with multiple layers of approval. Bulger killed for thirty years with corrupted contacts in local, state and Federal levels. There should be an epikeia team within government that would have protected that girl he strangled by killing him. I would have been sorely tempted to kill Bulger if he threatened my young daughter as he did to Rakes….a liquor store owner he was extorting in South Boston. But if you see me throwing stones verbally, you can be sure I’m praying for those people because I pray for the worst of the world almost nightly for many years because without God…I’m not that far from them. Every line of the epistles is from Christ…Vatican II Dei Verbum….” both testaments in all their parts have God as their author”. Christ even in His literal words on earth talked of shunning in this Mt.18:15-17 passage…” if your brother sin against you, show him in private. If he does not listen,…take one or two more with you…if he refuses to listen to them, take him to the church…if he refuses to listen to the church, let him be to you as the gentile and the tax collector”.
    So the real actual Jesus does not sound like the one you are asking us about. The real Jesus had limits not on love but on friendliness. Love can be done through prayer after friendliness ends…after contact ends. Two of the functions Christ has right now in Heaven are…intercession ( Hebrews 7:25) and waiting while His enemies are made into His footstool ( psalm 110:1, Acts 2:35, …and I Cor. 15:25…”For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet.”
    Love and justice….not just the former.

  • “Jesus didn’t ask us, nor does the church, to lambaste our fellow Catholics in the hopes of making our positions stronger. Jesus AND the church asks us to reconcile with each other, to discern together the way of the cross and to faithfully follow Jesus joyfully.”

    This is a strawman argument. First of all, fraternal correction is always appropriate, and does not require lambasting the other person.

    Indeed, PZ. In fact, admonishing the sinner is one of the seven spiritual works of mercy.

  • Of all and any people, Catholics, because of Mary saying : “I AM THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION” must know that the human being comes into existence at procreation. At procreation, God creates and infuses an immortal, rational, human soul into the newly begotten human being endowed with free will and sovereign personhood. “Before you were in your mother’s womb, I knew you..Isaiah. Unbelief in the immortal, human soul is atheism and the subjugation of the sovereign person to the animal kingdom, to subhumanism. It is called secularism today, but it is subhumanism.
    The other thing that violated my sense of truth is that the man celebrated his parents’ demise, instead of seriously praying for them. The victims of death are the ones who may celebrate, not their left behind loved ones.
    Somebody once told me that I ought to be glad, for abortion sends many innocent souls to heaven. This is the lie given over to our supposedly spiritual directors. The rest is atheism. The Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse: Unbridled Ignorance. Refusal to cogitate and use our rational soul. Thinking without our soul is is what??? Sins against the Holy Spirit.

  • “Jesus didn’t ask us, nor does the church, to lambaste our fellow Catholics in the hopes of making our positions stronger. Jesus AND the church asks us to reconcile with each other, to discern together the way of the cross and to faithfully follow Jesus joyfully.”
    We are not “fellow Catholics”. Stop ex-appropriating my support for an unholy alliance. It is the principle of injustice that must be addressed, not the fool embracing such an evil. Who will exorcise the devil if the devil is allowed to hide in the human form of a human being? Are there enough swine to hold the legion? At least the Chosen People did not allow human sacrifice to Molech. the Chosen People were instructed to drive those nations out of the Holy Land. People who have eyes but cannot see, have ears but cannot hear…a free will choice.

  • “If you love them to the understanding of the church, not only will they voluntarily close, but you will also have evangelized and brought others to Christ.”. -Kay

    So we have a clear understanding of this loving them to the understanding of the church? Please do tell!
    The sidewalk prayers and counseling that have been active since the beginning, 1973, are understandable. They have saved babies.
    They have born fruit, ie Rachel’s vineyard, Silent No More, Our Lady of Good Council Homes just to name a few. To me this is clear understanding of the church’s love in the middle of this rotten mess…tax funded abortions on demand.

    The results of a sit back and love without opposition to the rotten mess is not working well Kay. Do you think we have less abortions because we have been visible and outspoken in this war? I believe it is so. Should we unite as a undivided Church in proclaiming abortion to be the scourge of our times, and to not perpetuate the war by making accountable the representative’s that want our vote? Yes!

    To be divided as a body of Christ in this issue of Life for all, born and unborn, is prolonging the deaths of the Innocent’s.
    60 million today. 100 million tomorrow?
    Choose unity. Choose life.

  • “If you love them to the understanding of the church, not only will they voluntarily close, but you will also have evangelized and brought others to Christ.”

    I wish this was true Kat, but the devil does not back down so easily. Especially not with love.

    It is right to judge these people and their actions, because their intentions are evil, knowingly and deliberately. By choice. We must oppose. We must condemn deliberate evil actions. But also pray for God to intervene.

    It is not right, however, to judge those, whose intention is misguided, confused- most probably unknowing. I guess you could apply your philosophy to these folk.

    Celebrities, are a mixed bag of the two- it’s difficult to discern who is what.

  • I don’t agree. And that’s because this wasn’t a Salute to Stephen Colbert, Comedian, Catholic; rather it was a meditation on the Graces that come from deep suffering, in which Stephen Colbert, Comedian, Catholic was but one of three exemplars, the others being J.R.R. Tolkien, Author, Catholic, and John Henry Cardinal Newman, Convert, Catholic.

  • This is a salute:

    “Just last week, Stephen Colbert gave an interview in which the depth of his Catholic faith was on pretty clear display. Discussing the trauma that he experienced as a young man-the deaths of his father and two of his brothers in a plane crash – he told the interviewer how, through the ministrations of his mother, he had learned not only to accept what had happened but actually to rejoice in it: “Boy, did I have a bomb when I was ten; that was quite an explosion…It’s that I love the thing that I wish most had not happened.”

    Flummoxed, his interlocutor asked him to elaborate on the paradox. Without missing a beat, Colbert cited J.R.R. Tolkien: “What punishments of God are not gifts?” What a wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering! And it was delivered, not by a priest or bishop or evangelist, but by a comedian about to take over one of the most popular television programs on late night.”

  • The thing that links Colbert, with Tolkein and Cardinal Newman isn’t his Catholocism or his celebrity, it’s his experience of the mystery and wonder of God’s providence –to paraphrase Bishop Elect Barron.
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    In case that wasn’t clear.

  • I thought it was an introduction.

  • I don’t read it that way. But all I knew about Colbert before this article was that he had a show I’ve never seen on a cable channel I don’t have and that he’s replacing a late night talking head I never liked on a show I rarely watched. Oh, and he voiced the President in fairly good Dreamworks Animation pic. I take it that he made a career for himself lampooning the emminently lampoonable Bill O’Reilly.
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    Since today is the first time I’ve learned that he’s a pro-choice Catholic, When I read the BIshop-Elect’s piece last night, I didn’t read it as a commentary on the totality or authenticiy of Colbert’s Catholic witness, just on his witness to the experience of Grace in suffering. So to my mind, the point is irrelevant to Barron’s essay.

  • “So to my mind, the point is irrelevant to Barron’s essay.”

    Whenever anyone is pointed to in the way in which Barron pointed to Colbert, noting the depth of that person’s faith, how the individual lives his Catholicism is relevant, especially in regard to someone like Colbert who has dissented from Church teaching publicly, stridently and unapologetically. This is akin to a priest noting that a Mafia killer never missed Mass on Sunday.

  • What I now wish I had said:

    I’m sorry it rubs you the wrong way, because I think it might be keeping you from seeing the point, which is “God’s providence is a mysterious and wonderful thing[,]” and “our lives are not about us[;] . . . they are, in fact, ingredient in God’s providential purposes, part of a story that stretches infinitely beyond what we can immediately grasp.” And even a celebrity pro-Abort shallow cafateria catholic (assuming that is in fact what Colbert is) can sometimes offer witness to the Truth.

  • Gee, I wonder if Barron would have praised the faith of Colbert if he had been say, stridently anti-abortion but pro-death penalty. I have a sleeking suspicion he would deliver a homily laced with F-Bombs and other expletives before he would do that.

  • The interviewer in the video above posted on his Facebook page about all the hate coming from Catholics after the June 26 decision about gay “marriage”. He celebrates it.
    All three of these characters – Colbert, Barron, and Martin make the devil gleeful- quite good catches for the dark side- but we are praying for our Church and must defend truth – I don’t want to pray for these three because I am angry and hurt by the deception. I don’t do a good job but I know I should.

  • About fr Martin – father Z has written about him a few times . Also there is this
    http://www.davidlgray.info/blog/2015/07/fr-james-martin/

  • “And even a celebrity pro-Abort shallow cafateria catholic (assuming that is in fact what Colbert is) can sometimes offer witness to the Truth.”

    Indeed, as can the Devil.

  • “Colbert, Barron, and Martin make the devil gleeful”

    To be fair to Father Barron, he has normally been orthodox. He recently released a brilliant video on the Planned Parenthood videos that I will feature in a post tomorrow. I wrote this post because I expect better from Barron. With many other clerics, I wouldn’t have wasted my time.

  • Give Barron the benefit of the doubt that:

    A) he doesn’t know of Colberts stance on abortion

    Or

    B) he knows his stance on abortion and is shining light on Colbert’s good understanding of suffering, to slowly turn him around to see his flawed view. If Baron is Bishop of Los Angeles/Hollywood- then he would have a vested interest in having dialogue with “Catholic” celebrities (which is beyond me- they’re all about attention).

    If B) is true, it will only be evident over time.

    Btw, Colbert mocking Santorum over partial birth abortion is beyond appalling. And low.

    Someone should send him a picture of a murdered baby and see if he laughs.

  • We can thank God for any Grace that we have, but we cannot argue about the degree of our faith – it is like discussing the extent of how much you Love. The Love of God is limitless and the extent of our Love for God may only be measured by God. God does not and could not accept abortions – the degree of our Love for God should understand that and thus – that is our relationship with God.
    But we are all sinners and God is all merciful, so he can and must be the Judge.

  • “And even a celebrity pro-Abort shallow cafateria catholic (assuming that is in fact what Colbert is) can sometimes offer witness to the Truth.”
    Indeed, as can the Devil.

    Okay Mark.

  • I wanted to expect better from Fr Barron too.

  • “Okay Mark.”

    Actually James, James 2:19 to be precise:

    “Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.”

  • Once again, thank you Donald. It is perfectly clear for all to see that the majority of the hierarchy of the Catholic church is not pro-life. These bishops do not believe abortion is murder, a holocaust in all but name. Your proof is irrefutable. “Lets try a thought experiment.” Indeed. Substitute slavery for the unborn and there is not one single prelate who would act the way ours do. The Father Barrons of the world would not be celebrating the “deep Catholic faith” of any such persons.

  • I have to say that being disappointed is an understatement for me. After the CMP videos started coming out, I’ve been waiting to hear a statement from Archbishop Lori. He hasn’t said anything. Not one word. I’m extremely disappointed. I feel like a complete wretch giving money every month to the 5 year Capital Campaign that we pledged to. Part of the money comes back to the parish, but our parish priest had made it abundantly clear to not give the money directly to the parish. I tend to agree that it’s becoming more apparent that the higher ups in the Church aren’t as opposed to abortion as they say they are.

  • Fr. Barron went wobbly when he found out they wanted to make him a bishop. I called a posting of his cowardly. The liberal archbishop of Chicago got him promoted out of his hair. Another critic of Barron noted that he thinks hardly anyone will end up in hell. Christ seemed a little clear about those who do not know Him. Do our catholic clerics really believe anything? Can we tell Cardinal George is dead?

  • Pretty shallow criticism to an article.

  • The approach Pope Francis uses is very similar to what Christ did. You and I can never read what is on someone’s heart. Christ called Peter who openly admitted, Lord I am a sinful man. Yet Christ called him anyway despite this. Christ openly and publicly invited sinners, the outcasts to dine with Him. Why? Because meeting people where they are at in their faith journey is how you win someone over. You don’t win someone over by publically shaming them or calling them out on something they may be struggling with or don’t fully understand. If Stephen Colbert comes to better understand the issue of abortion years from now, what will you say then? Again, you don’t know the private converations these men have. You can only assume. Being polarizing will actually have the opposite effect; it will turn someone away from the truth.

  • “Pretty shallow criticism to an article.”

    Not as shallow as your substanceless comment D, especially considering the number of comments and the hits that the post has received.

  • “If Stephen Colbert comes to better understand the issue of abortion years from now, what will you say then?”

    About time. Let us be clear what we are talking about here: Colbert is a defender of the slaying of children in the womb. In more morally sane times he would be regarded as a monster.

  • Colbert not only believes in murdering unborn children he’s a great promoter of homosexual “marriage”. I feel like throwing up anytime someone brings up Colbert’s “devout” Catholic faith. He”s just one more of the legion of cafeteria Catholics that give the faith a bad name. Father “We all go to heaven” Barron loves him because Father Barron is one of the biggest cheerleaders for the Church of Nice.

  • Am I missing something here? We’re gonna lambast Colbert’s character for a 2011 video and get pissed off at Bishop Elect Barron for not asking Colbert about his abortion position. Yet THIS video was posted March 2nd, 2015 and if I’m not mistaken the Planned Parenthood video’s of 2015 came out in late June.

    Colbert is no saint but he’s done WAY more good for the Church than any other celebrity.

  • , By “shallow” I am referring to the near constant attempt to throw wayward darts towards church leaders who don’t discuss points as you wish. Seems your comments from the article by B. Barron are off base. Yes, it is tragic that Colbert shows the world two faces … a good catholic side and the ignorant PP side. Barron’s piece was not intended to be about Corbert nor all his positions. Clearly you know that, yet for the sake of a blog post choose to ignore it. My reading leaves me dissappointed in Colbert, not Barron.

  • “Colbert is no saint but he’s done WAY more good for the Church than any other celebrity.”

    What a truly ludicrous statement.

  • It is ludicrous to use a pro-infanticide, pro-sodomy secular comedian of questionable talent as a example of fidelity to the Catholic Faith. If St Paul were on Earth today, then he would tell the Church to hand Colbert over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh that his soul might be saved on the last day.
    .
    It is one thing to be a private person and have a moral failing, but you try to pick yourself up and do right. It is another to be a nationally reknown person professing values in public that are anathema to 2000 years of Church tradition. I do not care how much Colbert says he suffered with the death of whoever in his family. He supports the murder and vivisection of the unborn, and the filth of sterile sexual perversion that is destroying our society. That being the case, he has no clue of what real suffering is. Liberal. Progressive. Democrat. That is what he is.

  • How insightful Don – if only you would address the first point I made or perhaps enlighten us with whom you think is the best Catholic celebrity (distraction). Perhaps you prefer Mel Gibson – he’s never done ANYTHING embarrassing especially when we talk about Jews. Jim Carry? Ask him about vaccines! Many whom I’ve read about aren’t nearly as dedicated as Colbert whom has taught Sunday School and been far more public about his faith then others. Perhaps I’m biased from watching too many of his shows…BUT please do tell me how to judge people on content from 4 years ago. I’d love to hear how you answer relevant questions to future controversies/allegations/scandals. Or avoid empirical evidence that makes this article mute.

  • Yes Paul – clearly Colbert should be put in the deepest fires of hell for his positions on abortion, same sex marriage, and being a ‘Liberal. Progressive. Democrat.’ He has soooo much influence on US government unlike Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. How dare Colbert have a public life and any opinion outside of the Church. If only we could be as faithful to the faith as convert Conservative, Traditional, Republican, the mighty Newt Gingrich.

  • Steve0 is an excellent example of our dilemma in the Catholic Church. The words of St. Pope JPII and abortion being an intrinsic evil that can not be tolerated, fall on deaf ears unfortunately. Sodomite supporters and pro-aborts are Catholic are right.

    Thank you Steve zero.

  • Wow Philip thanks – I’m glad you were able to infer my position on abortion as if I explicitly stated it here like I was at an inquisition! BEHOLD zero tolerance and understanding – it’s as if the last THREE PEOPLE have yet to address the DATES of the VIDEO! See my first post please and respond to it – coy accusations and attacking my character doesn’t get you points in heaven.
    Colbert said Matthew 5 (beatitudes) was his favorite bible passage but he quoted from Matthew 6. Perhaps this room would do well to read the beginning of Matthew 7. I don’t presume to know the mind of God much less the minds of others.
    For the record I’m pro life both before and after birth.

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  • “aren’t nearly as dedicated as Colbert whom has taught Sunday School and been far more public about his faith then others.”

    And he is in favor of baby killing Steve. In regard to the Faith, he is an example, an example of the type of Catholic not to be.

  • “Colbert said Matthew 5 (beatitudes) was his favorite bible passage”

    Judging from his embrace of abortion I assumed it would have been a truncated version of Matthew 19:14 which stops at “Suffer the little children”.

  • Here we go again.
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    Steve0,
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    I do NOT advocate Colbert be sent to the deepest fires of hell. Rather, I stated that St Paul would advocate that the Church should hand him over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh in order that his soul might be saved on the last day. That would result in his NOT going to hell. But what has Bishop-elect Barron done? He has elevated Colbert’s Catholicism to national prominence instead of condemning what St Paul Paul would clearly have condemned, and by so doing he has greased the skids to hell not only for Colbert but for many others.
    .
    As for fallible Catholic Republicans like Newt Gingrich, there is a world of difference between such people and liberal progressive Democrats who insist that infanticide is repoductive rights and sodomy is marriage. One may be a Republican and a Christian. One cannot be a member of the Party of death and sexual perversion, and be a Christian. Yes, Republicans are often wrong, but generally they are not evil. Democrats however are evil and therein lies the difference.
    .
    One last thing – any one of us (myself most of all) who does not repent goes to hell. That said, (I repeat myself) there is a world of difference between being a private person and having a failing, and being a publc personality who maintains positions contrary to basic human morality. So while Colbert does not have the influence that Pelosi or Biden may have, people in the public by virtue of his televised presence do look up to him and as such he does have an influence. Any private opinion held publicly thus becomes cause for scandal, and that is what both Bishop Elect Barron and Steve Colbert have done.

  • I would think that Colbert’s advocacy for the baby killers at PP is a dealbreaker for his Catholic witness. It is certainly impossible to imagine apologetics on behalf of a prominent Catholic fronting for Maggie Sanger back when she was a going concern. The bishops and laity would have rounded as one on such a person–and rightly so.

    But now, hey–it’s a balancing test or something.

    In any event, SteveO, you are cordially invited to my house for dinner. I put a pinch of cyanide into the entree. You shouldn’t have a problem with that–taking the good with the bad, and all that.

  • Now Boethius was undoubtedly a Christian and even a theologian; his other works bear titles like De Trinitate and De Fide Catholica. But the ‘philosophy’ to which he turned for ‘consolation’ in the face of death contains few explicity Christian elements and even its compatibility with Christian doctrine might be questioned.

    Such a paradox has provoked many hypotheses. As:
    (1) That his Christianity was superficial and failed him when brought to the test, so that he had to fall back on what neo-Platonism could do for him.
    (2) The his Christianity was solid as a rock and his neo-Platonism a mere game with which he distracted himself in his dungeon[.]
    (3) That the theological essays were not really written by the same man.

    None of these theories seems to me necessary.

    Though the De Consolatione was certainly written after his fall, in exile and perhaps under arrest, I do not think it was written in a dungeon nor in daily expectation of the executioner. [ . . . . ] [T]he general tone of the book . . . is not that of a prisoner awaiting death but that of a noble and statesman lamenting his fall[.] [ . . . . ] The Consolation Boethius seeks is not for death but for ruin. When he wrote the book he may have known that his life was in some danger. I do not think he despaired of it. [ . . . .]

    If we had asked Boethius why his book contained philosophical rather than religious consolations, I do not doubt that he would have answered, “But did you not read my title? I wrote philosophically, not religiously, because I had chosen the consolations of philosophy, not those of religion, as my subject. You might as well ask why a book on arithmetic does not use geometrical methods.” Aristotle had impressed on all who followed him the distinction between disciplines and the propriety of following in each its appropriate method.

    C. S, Lewis, The Discarded Image

  • It is ludicrous to use a pro-infanticide, pro-sodomy secular comedian of questionable talent as a example of fidelity to the Catholic Faith.

    Then it’s a good thing Barron didn’t do that.

  • Mel Gibson?

    His contribution to Catholism will out live and out last any so-called contribution to Catholism that a popular Mr. Colbert will ever have. Mel used Venerable Catherine Emmerich as one of his sources for the moments of Christ’s passion. His, Mel’s retelling of the greatest sacrifice ever made, or ever will be made, is monumental. Mr. Steven Colbert can poke fun and parade as a theologian in disguise for the (Catholics) that don’t invest in the 1993 CCC.

    Even with Mel’s faux-pas, He’s healthier than Mr. Colbert. Much healthier in spirit, mind and soul.

  • “Without missing a beat, Colbert cited J.R.R. Tolkien: ‘What punishments of God are not gifts?’”

    Who is God “punishing?” Does Colbert think God was punishing him, that’s why his father and 2 brothers were killed? If so, his comment previously seems a bit insulting and ridiculing of the Catholic faith, from which he learned to “rejoice” in their deaths.

  • Father Barron’s evangelical approach seeks out the good wherever it is, and whoever speaks it, whether they’re a heretical Catholic like Colbert, or a Protestant, or even an atheist. He is certainly aware of Colbert’s support for abortion, but just because someone isn’t in a state of grace doesn’t mean they haven’t said something true–in this case, Colbert has said something deeply true, summing up the essence of the Cross. Barron must have judge it a distraction to chastise Colbert in this particular instance, but that isn’t the same as letting him off the hook.

    Abortion, in our culture, is simply not regarded as the obscenity thoroughgoing Catholics know it is. Barron knows the public is sick of what they perceive as a constant harping on abortion by the leaders of the Church. His approach is to try to emphasize the teachings of the Church on the meaning and dignity of human life, for which people are deeply hungry. Barron has often spoken of how Dorothy Day’s commitment to social justice was intimately linked to her devotion to the Blessed Sacrament. That is to say, faith comes first; morals follow. Our Lord himself affirmed this when he said all of the Law is simply commentary on the commandment to love God fully, and to love one’s neighbor as one’s self. Colbert’s statement shows that his faith is right; it’s his morals that go astray. Barron chose simply to comment on the former. His silence on the latter was an act of diplomacy, not negligence. If we’re always scolding, we’re not going to attract anyone to the faith. Barron does not hesitate to scold on many occasions, but his greater concern, as he puts it, is to balance the “Yes” of Catholicism with the “No”.

  • Don – again you continue to ignore the fact that the video posted above was published in March and the latest PP videos are from June/July. Has Colbert posted his feelings about the latest PP videos? Am I missing something here or are we crucifying the man based off his position from 4 years ago?
    Paul – your patience is appreciated. It must feel amazing to have such a direct connection with God and all his saints to advocate St. Paul’s judgment. It would be truly merciful for Colbert to get this Purgatory you describe. I’m reminded of the story when Jesus was the first to stone the adulteress for her sins, but he didn’t – Jesus told her to ‘go and sin no more.’ It’s almost as if Colbert repented it wouldn’t be good enough for God because he’s a public figure and has lead so many others astray.
    Dale – thank you for the dinner invitation please forgive me if I don’t eat anything as my tolerance for cyanide is rather low. God didn’t seem to have a problem taking Saul as his leader even after he killed many Christians. Did I miss the commandment that abortion and sodomy was more egregious to God then murder? See God is able to take the flawed man and remove the bad to leave his perfect goodness.
    Philip – dating a woman half your age is ‘healthy’ – I’m sure the Passion will make up for all future sins too right? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3211713/Mel-Gibson-s-girlfriend-Rosalind-Ross-declines-speak-police-actor-s-alleged-attack-Australian-photographer.html

  • Who is God “punishing?”

    Were you to read the rest of the paragraph, and all of the paragaph following, the answer presents itself.

  • “Don – again you continue to ignore the fact that the video posted above was published in March and the latest PP videos are from June/July. Has Colbert posted his feelings about the latest PP videos? Am I missing something here or are we crucifying the man based off his position from 4 years ago?”

    What did he fail to comprehend about PP when he defended it? Has he lived his life under a rock? His drinking game about partial birth abortion was in 2012. Think about that for a moment. Mocking a politician, Rick Santorum, for opposing what pro-abort Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan referred to as barely disguised infanticide.

  • A breath of fresh air response from a stale thread.

  • “Philip – dating a woman half your age is ‘healthy’ – I’m sure the Passion will make up for all future sins too right?”

    No, it will not:

    http://the-american-catholic.com/2012/04/12/crazy-mel/

    http://the-american-catholic.com/2014/03/13/hollywood-should-continue-to-blacklist-mel-gibson/

    I will say one thing for Crazy Mel however. At his worst he has never defended the baby murderers of Planned Parenthood, Steve, and all your bloviating will not alter that fact in regard to Colbert.

  • So, we should not praise the piety and learning of Bossuet, because he defended the Four Gallican Articles, or Blaise Pascal’s, because he believed in the Limited Atonement?

  • ‘video of his drinking game, with a drink being taken whenever Rick Santorum mentioned partial birth abortion’

    A caveat from those with Holy Orders, in their appeal to the culture by using celebrity examples as Catholic, would promote wise teaching, higher learning and examples of Saints aside.

  • “To be fair to Father Barron, he has normally been orthodox. He recently released a brilliant video on the Planned Parenthood videos that I will feature in a post tomorrow. I wrote this post because I expect better from Barron. With many other clerics, I wouldn’t have wasted my time.”

    Yes, Barron has normally stayed within the technical bounds of orthodoxy, but he has shown, as I pointed out in the “Father Barron and the Bomb” piece, that he is not above using below the belt smear tactics against historical figures or giving glowing reviews to books that do so.

    Fr. Barron also does not have to worry anyone getting access to him that can level substantive criticism of what he says. This is especially true now that he will soon join the ranks of the episcopacy.

    I would also say that Catholic World Report shares equal blame here for allowing that piece to be run in their publication. They have also ran some of Mark Shea’s ridiculous “anti-consequentialist” screeds.

  • I cannot abide “Catholics” who defend the murder of babies in the womb. If any person, religious or not, believe that we as humans are invested with a metaphysical essence called ‘spirit’ then the killing of babies can not be rationalized. Even a materialist Darwinist recognizes that the zygote is a unique, living, creature with DNA rendering it a life form that can never be replicated. By what right do baby killers execute these life forms? These are people who wouldn’t kill a rabbit. Like Bork said, he supported abortion UNTIL HE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

  • “. . . the trauma that he experienced as a young man-the deaths of his father and two of his brothers in a plane crash – he told the interviewer how, through the ministrations of his mother, he had learned not only to accept what had happened but actually to rejoice in it: “Boy, did I have a bomb when I was ten; that was quite an explosion…It’s that I love the thing that I wish most had not happened.”

    “Flummoxed, his interlocutor asked him to elaborate on the paradox. Without missing a beat, Colbert cited J.R.R. Tolkien: “What punishments of God are not gifts?” What a wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering! And it was delivered, not by a priest or bishop or evangelist, but by a comedian about to take over one of the most popular television programs on late night.”

    Argue as you may, gentlemen, the hope and trust in God’s providence expressed in the passage above is what I am taking away from this website today.

  • Don – Thank you for addressing my first point about the video’s…this format of sharing can be difficult and frustrating especially on such a hot topic as abortion. Regarding Colbert’s television character from the Colbert Report Colbert plays a fictional newscaster to entertain. Was Colbert’s drinking game in good taste – NO but it does not define him forever. Please remember in 2012 Mr. Santorum was the butt of many jokes for his stance on many political issues. Remember when he told a lady to reduce her cell phone/cable bill to pay for her prescriptions? How about his support for ‘big insurance’ and their ability to discriminate against per-existing medical conditions. Perhaps we should label him a heretic for recently disagreeing PUBLICLY with the Pope on Climate Change?
    Don – your right about Mel he will not support PP! Let us continue to pray that he can pull himself together and not have another drunken incident. Much like we should pray for Colbert – that he might see the error in his ways and repent.
    I’ve rewatched the ‘Defense of Planned Parenthood’ video. What did he say in the video that was factually wrong? I found it hilarious because he pulled clips of newscasters and politicians saying idiotic things. In fact I’d say he didn’t show support PP but rather attacked the people that factually are incorrect. PP doesn’t do 90% abortions and no Fox&Friends – you can’t get the described medical procedures at Walgreen’s.
    Lastly Don – thanks for the new vocab word. It’s rather difficult to be laconic when addressing multiple commentators.

  • Daily body counts!

    Chet Huntley and David Brinkley would report the news. Remember? No not fashion or celebrity gossip crap, but news that impact the very core of our lives, like the daily body counts from Vietnam. I remember them.
    We prayed for their families and the deceased at the commercial breaks. We prayed for and end to that War.

    Until we get the nightly death count from each state where PP slaughter’s the Innocent’s, until then this debate is a drinking game to some, and the deterioration of the nation to others.
    Until we get those death tallies each night it’s not going to mean anything. We need a nightly reminder!

    Then the abortion rates will drop.
    Then providers will cease to have taxpayer dollars.
    Then the debate will cease.
    The War will end.
    Life will be respected once again.

  • Eventually it comes to the point where I refuse to engage people like Steven0. They are wrong. They will not be comvinced. They are not worth debating. I am 58 years old. I work in nuclear energy. I got more important things to do. Suffice it to say Colbert is a supporter of baby murdering and sodomy. He supports evil. He will answer for that. Barron ingratiating himself with liberals is disgusting. I got no time for anything further. God save America.

  • “So, we should not praise the piety and learning of Bossuet, because he defended the Four Gallican Articles, or Blaise Pascal’s, because he believed in the Limited Atonement?”

    Apples and rock salt MPS. When did either of them defend abortion?

  • “Argue as you may, gentlemen, the hope and trust in God’s providence expressed in the passage above is what I am taking away from this website today.”

    A pity that he does not apply that hope and trust in regard to the babies who come unwanted into this world and then are slaughtered by the contract killers of Planned Parenthood, the organization he defends.

  • Fr. Barron also missed an opportunity to point out how ironic it is that a pro-abort cradle Catholic cites his Catholic faith as something that helped get through the suffering of such a tragic loss, which is actually very life affirming.

    One of the most astounding truths of the reality of evil is how self-refuting it really is.

  • Ernst – if your referring to the link, I read the first link and still get the impression that the message is when bad things happens that is God’s punishment for something. What am I missing?

  • I participate with utmost care, like a not so strong swimmer in a stormy sea. Is not most sin a manifestation of spiritual ignorance? Christ from the Cross says, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”. So I avoid to judge the state of another’s soul but out of love correct his error. In this case, the greater love is for the millions who are murdered before they defend themselves. I’d say more but at seventy-five I have a lot yet to learn. Then I think of good old Peter who with faith walked on the water……… a little.

  • “His contribution to Catholism will out live and out last any so-called contribution to Catholism that a popular Mr. Colbert will ever have. ”

    Well said Phillip.

    I don’t know much about Colbert, but he comes across as a sheep in wolf clothing.

    Mel Gibson with all his sins (and we ALL have them) struggles with alcoholism. And I would t be surprised if he struggles with mental illness too.

    But he does not defend his sins nor makes excuses, nor advocates for anything contrary to church teaching.

    Advocating for the killing of the unborn, laughing at it, laughing at those that defend the unborn is disgusting!

    You cannot CANNOT be Catholic and defend abortion. Period. Teach Sunday school, be a Eucharistic minister or find the cure for cancer- you are NOT a Catholic if you defend the killing if the innocent and defenceless unborn.

    Mel Gibson, is more if a Catholic in my eyes.

  • Of course, the lying liberal sacs of feces will employ whatever infallible (assuming it’s not the Truth) Colbert says as if it were ex cathedra Church Teaching. And, the lowing hordes of misinformed, single-digit IQ dem voters will be thusly enlightened.

  • I read the first link and still get the impression that the message is when bad things happens that is God’s punishment for something. What am I missing?

    .
    Not when bad things per se happen; when death happens. “[W]hat particularly intrigued me,” wrote Barron, “was the reference to Tolkien, which was culled, not from The Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit, but from a letter that the great man wrote to an inquirer, who had wondered whether Tolkien took death with sufficient spiritual seriousness in his literary work.”
    .
    Reread Genesis 3 in the light of Romans 5:12-21, and 6:15-23 (or maybe all of chapters 5 & 6).
    .

    O happy fault, O necessary sin of Adam,
    which gained for us so great a Redeemer!

    .
    Planned Parenthood, arbortion, contraception, and Colbert’s manifest failures to uphold publicly the Church’s teachings on them, don’t enter into the Bishop-Elect’s essay because that’s not what he chose to write about, much as Donald might wish it were otherwise.
    .
    So in this very narrow instance, D Will made a valid point.

    Finally, by way of anticipatory prebuttal, Barron closed with:

    One of the most potent insights of the spiritual masters is that our lives are not about us, that they are, in fact, ingredient in God’s providential purposes, part of a story that stretches infinitely beyond what we can immediately grasp. Why are we suffering now? Well, it might be so that, in St. Paul’s language, we might comfort someone else with the same consolation we have received in our suffering. And that someone might be a person who has not even been born.

    St. John Paul II commented that, for people of faith, there are no coincidences, only aspects of God’s providence that we have not yet fully understood. The line that runs from Newman to Murphy to Tolkien to Colbert was not dumb chance, a mere coincidence; rather, it was an instance of the slow but sure unfolding of the divine plan.

    .
    The blood of the innocent crying out to Heaven won’t be ignored. Nor will their suffering go to waste.

  • “The blood of the innocent crying out to Heaven won’t be ignored. Nor will their suffering go to waste.”

    Nobody has a right to ignore the blood of the innocent crying in this life. It defies God. This is the real test.

    And nobody has the right to defend any TV clown that thinks it is ok to do so.

  • Donald R McClarey wrote, “Apples and rock salt MPS. When did either of them defend abortion?”

    My point is that both departed from the fulness of the Faith on particular points.

    Even that great champion of orthodoxy, St Atahansius wrote of Arian baptisms, “”Is not the rite administered by the Arians, altogether empty and unprofitable? He that is sprinkled by them is rather polluted than redeemed,” a doctrinecondemned by Pope St Stephen some 50 years earlier. St Ambrose, one of the four great doctorsof the Latin Church, fell into the same error: “”The baptism of traitors does not heal, does not cleanse, but defiles.” Should we include a caveat, when we praise their writings?

  • “My point is that both departed from the fulness of the Faith on particular points”

    My point MPS is that your attempted analogy is nonsense.

    http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Faulty-Analogy.html

  • William P Walsh wrote, “Then I think of good old Peter who with faith walked on the water……… a little.”
    Concerning St Peter’s denial of Christ, St Augustine teaches, “”that God, in order to show us that without grace we can do nothing, left St. Peter without grace.” St John Crysostom also, “that the fall of St. Peter happened, not through any coldness towards Jesus Christ, but because grace failed him; and that he fell, not so much through his own negligence as through the withdrawal of God, as a lesson to the whole Church, that without God we can do nothing.”
    Very salutary this, in an age when the Church is so infected with Pelagianism.

  • Donald R McClarey wrote, “My point MPS is that your attempted analogy is nonsense.”

    It is not, strictly speaking an analogy at all, but univocal examples of departures from Catholic teaching.

    One could argue that some errors are more pernicious than others, but, by that standard, errors about the Atonement go to the heart of the Gospel and errors about the Primacy to the Church’s unity. Any error on a moral question, whilst deplorable, comes a long way down that list

  • “It is not, strictly speaking an analogy”

    Yes it is between Colbert and the examples you cited. And if you think that defending baby murdering is not more important than the doctrinal disputes you raised in the eyes of God, I respectfully suggest that you take a very long look in your mirror.

  • Defend/accuse Colbert or Fr. Barron ( or Fr. Martin) – ? We can all see the sin here, quite public because of the position these three have put themselves in as leaders, teachers, shapers of the culture
    What is important to me is that people, young and old, need to be warned about the messages coming from these three.
    In many ways TAC can act as a watchman on the wall.
    .
    All of the points made here in this discussion are thoughtful. Perhaps Fr Barron and Fr Martin are at risk for their actions because of their ordination and position as teachers of the Faith (James 3) They have maxed their response to the call to evangelize by taking their effort to highest levels of communication today in DVD’s, print, internet and personal appearances…but the content of what they are preaching should be checked. There is danger to their own souls for they are leading lesser minds astray from Truth.
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    also James say in 2:1-4 that favoritism toward one who is rich and influential can be dangerous. (if we give acceptance to one who is rich and famous Because he is rich and attractive) doesn’t help us and doesn’t help him. If we show such partiality and do not call these men out, despite their positional identity, we do not love them.
    Colbert seems to me to be confused and searching although very gifted and glib. He has knowledge but not faith I guess.
    Liberty comes with acceptance of God’s authority…”law” of faith or “obedience” of faith
    Love and responsibility – that is what we are called to as Catholics

  • Nobody has a right to ignore the blood of the innocent crying in this life. It defies God. This is the real test.
    And nobody has the right to defend any TV clown that thinks it is ok to do so.

    Then it’s a good thing that nobody is.

  • “Then it’s a good thing nobody is”

    Stephen Colbert is.

  • I had assumed you were talking about the commenters here.

  • Defending a TV clown, that is.

  • Well I am.

    Some comments come across as forgiving of this mans pro-abortion stance because he teaches Sunday school- ie. defending a TV clowns good qualities- and ending with the consolation that the blood of the innocent will not be forgotten. It can’t be both ways. If we don’t want to forget the blood of the innocent, then don’t defend those that do so arrogantly- like Stephen Colbert, because he calls himself “Catholic”.

  • And some comments come across like some commenter hasn’t bothered to read the original essay because some commenter is too busy condemning either Worse than Murder Inc. or Stephen Colbert, or both, and can’t be bothered to take the time to actually read and try to understand what Bishop-Elect Barron wrote about.
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    But that’s the problem with Some commenter. And you’ll have to take it up with him.
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    Or maybe I’ve just misunderstood what Some commenter was trying to say.

  • “Or maybe I’ve just misunderstood what Some commenter was trying to say.”

    I don’t know if you have. But Donald is completely right about criticising a Bishop of the Church using a catholic celebrity who supports the killing of the innocent, as an example for good Christian thinking- because Colbert knows what it’s like to suffer.

  • Donald is wrong because Barron’s essay isn’t about Colbert’s thinking, good, Christian, or otherwise. If it’s about anybody’s, it’s Tolkien’s thinking that it would be about. And really, what it’s about is “the salvific quality of suffering” in which one can discover that “that God’s providence is a mysterious and wonderful thing.”
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    But we’re all too busy to notice that, playing, as we are, the role of Pharisees tut-tutting that rabbi from Nazareth who consorts with women, gentiles, tax collectors and other assorted sinners.

  • “Donald is wrong because Barron’s essay isn’t about Colbert’s thinking, good, Christian, or otherwise.”

    Donald is right because the Bishop-Elect saluted the faith of a man who defends the contract killers of Planned Parenthood. If Barron did not know about Colbert, he is sloppy and ignorant, used in a literal sense, in choosing him as an example. If he did know and did not care, that is simply appalling.

  • “But we’re all too busy to notice that, playing, as we are, the role of Pharisees tut-tutting that rabbi from Nazareth who consorts with women, gentiles, tax collectors and other assorted sinners.”

    Christ told the sinners to go and sin no more. I can imagine the words that Christ would have for the defenders of child murderers.

  • Ernst.

    Kind Sir. I’ve read your posts from previous threads, and I sincerely mean this, your a good man.

    I disagree with your final assertion.

    What many of us are, is not Pharisees, but follows of Christ tired of others that claim the same, yet help to perpetuate the ongoing killing of innocent children. When one of “our fellow brothers” has a high profile position in and out of the church, we feel saddened that the innocent will suffer.

    Mr. McCleary will speak for himself, however my take on your words is one of misunderstanding. Please save the Pharisees description for those that deserve it.
    Try the Vatican first.

  • Baron wrote:
    “What a wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering! And it was delivered, not by a priest or bishop or evangelist, but by a comedian about to take over one of the most popular television programs on late night”

    Ernst wrote:
    “Donald is wrong because Barron’s essay isn’t about Colbert’s thinking, good, Christian, or otherwise.”

    If Colbert supported Paedophilia and Baron praised his “wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering” would your response be the same?

    Enough already Ernst.

    Donald is presently mourning the passing of his good friend Chris, who by the way was a Methodist- who lived a life better than most Catholics- myself included (read his tribute post), not busy tut-tutting at other “catholic” clowns, like a Pharisee.

  • Donald is right because the Bishop-Elect saluted the faith of a man who defends the contract killers of Planned Parenthood. If Barron did not know about Colbert, he is sloppy and ignorant, used in a literal sense, in choosing him as an example. If he did know and did not care, that is simply appalling.

    I don’t read Barron as saluting Colbert’s faith. I read him as saying Colbert’s faith in God’s providence is deep and Catholic because it recognizes the paradox of salvation in suffering. Catholics have thought and continue to think about these things. I come from an evangelical background. They don’t really do suffering. And all the emoting doesn’t really leave time for thinking. I do concede that Colbert seems to have “a faith without works” problem, making him a deep hole of narrow circumference. Finally, without Colbert quoting Tolkien in GQ, my guess is that Barron would have chosen a differnt topic for his essay.

    If Colbert supported Paedophilia and Baron praised his “wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering” would your response be the same?

    Given that I read the Bishop-Elect’s essay before Donald put up this post, that, as I’ve already indicated, I don’t know Colbert from Carell, and that even a stopped clock encounters the truth twice a day, probably yes, it would be.
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    And it’s not Colbert’s sermon, it’s Tolkien’s. Colbert merely repeated it to a flummoxed reporter.

    Phillip,

    Thank you for your kind words. Nevertheless, I stand by what I said. Barron’s essay and Colbert’s witness, such as it is (and nowhere have I disagreed with anybody’s criticism of Colbert) are two seperate things, and focusing on the latter is to miss the point of the former.

  • I’ll revise my Pharisee remark to this extent:

    I think it’s pharasaical to criticize Bishop-Elect Barron’s essay on providential suffering by dwelling on Stephen Colbert’s shortcomings when Colbert is not the subject of the essay, but merely serves as the introductory hook and first of three exemplars of that suffering. That’s what I mean by missing the point. It’s like faulting Boethius for not writing about the consolations of theology.
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    Maybe I should have said that I think there’s a mote/beam problem going on here. But I expect that wouldn’t have gone over any better. In any event, I said it, so I’ll own it.
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    By the way, I did think of a way that one could use Barron’s essay, Colbert’s reference to the Tolkien quote, and a Barak Obama quotation to make a point about Worse than Murder Inc. and abortion. But since my entire stance is premised on the idea that it’s poor form to criticize an author either for what he didn’t write or for what he should have written integrity demands I keep it to myself.
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    Fortunately, it isn’t hard to figure out.

  • “And it’s not Colbert’s sermon, it’s Tolkien’s. Colbert merely repeated it to a flummoxed reporter.”

    Baron repeating Colbert who repeated Tolkien.

    No wander our religion is weaker than p&$@. It’s all those mental gymnastics we do.

  • Ezabelle wrote, “If Colbert supported Paedophilia and Baron praised his “wonderful sermon on the salvific quality of suffering” would your response be the same?”
    Well, who would deny that Eric Gill’s Stations of the Cross in Westminster Cathedral are an example of high Catholic art, the fact that he was a pædophile in his private life notwithstanding? To argue otherwise would be Philistinism of no common order.

  • Still haven’t taken that long, hard look in the mirror MPS?

    “1 AT that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Who thinkest thou is the greater in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus calling unto him a little child, set him in the midst of them, 3 And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And he that shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth me. 6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.”

    Mathew 18: 1-6

  • Ernst Schreiber wrote, “I do concede that Colbert seems to have “a faith without works” problem.”
    But the Apostle says, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly [ἀσεβῆ, literally “lacking reverence,” impious] his faith is credited as righteousness” (Rom 4:5)

  • “18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”

    James 2: 18-24

  • Wow, lots here to evaluate–so I won’t. I’ll merely give my opinion that this appears to be an issue of some good and some bad–real bad.
    My analogy: could we call a man faithful husband is he worked hard, loved the kids and wife, provided a nice home, went to Mass and holy days, was a Knight of Columbus in good standing in that community and only cheated with his mistress on Tuesdays?

  • Don L- good point- that husband/father is living a lie. The good works he appears to present to his family, do not forgive him his lying and cheating. We are only as good, in Gods eyes, as our most horrible sinful thoughts and deeds.

    We can fool each other, but God reads our hearts.

    But we’re not talking about mans personal sins. We all have sins and vices. What comes into question here, is when one publicly advocates for something contrary to God, calls it a good, and defies God publicly and deliberately. Like Colbert has. Colbert teaches Sunday school- big wool! We are only as good as his most horrible sins.

  • Lots of people “scan” their news. They look at pictures that accompany the story and read the first few lines. CWR put a picture at top that put S. Colbert right up there in an attractive banner with Tolkien and Newman. The first sentence said, “Just last week, Stephen Colbert gave an interview in which the depth of his Catholic faith was on pretty clear display”
    The end of the article put Colbert in line with those two great Catholics as part of God’s Divine Plan.
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    The tax collectors and the woman caught in adultery were told the truth, admonished. They were not lionized. Jesus is the point of their stories.
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    we can be delighted about the Good effect of the works of Tokein and Newman. Jesus is the point of their stories too. the words of these great men have positively affected many a troubled soul, .
    Colbert misses the point of the stories…he hears the words with interest but doesn’t internalize and integrate them into his life. He is like us all, A work in progress gifted and loved by God. But in his position of influence, the results of his confusion can be disastrous for many seekers.
    and I think Fr Barron though not missing the point entirely, confuses the issue. It is delightful to find someone famous in the media who can so charmingly spout the words … But the incongruity of his life mashes the message. He is more a symbol of the confusion of the age – rather than showing “the depth of his Catholic faith was on pretty clear display”.

  • “Well, who would deny that Eric Gill’s Stations of the Cross in Westminster Cathedral are an example of high Catholic art, the fact that he was a pædophile in his private life notwithstanding? To argue otherwise would be Philistinism of no common order.”

    Again, it’s not about the persons private life. Leonardo da Vinci, allegedly, had homosexual affairs. Yet his Last Supper endures.

    Did Eric Gill promote and advocate for Paedophilia?

    If Gill did, then his Stations of the Cross should be removed- absolutely.

    Colbert promotes and advocates, even mocks the issue of abortion. Who cares what he does in his private life- that’s between him and God. He is using his popularity to support the killing of the unborn

  • Anzlyne; ” He is more a symbol of the confusion of the age-..”. Exactly!
    This confusion is running rampant due to the piss poor, walking the fence, don’t judge others leadership at the majority of the Bishops hands.

    Guess what?

    Expect more confusion until the likes of Cardinal Burke make their way into this culture.

  • St James says, “21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?”
    Contrast “What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” (Rom4:3)
    Here St Paul quotes Gen 15:6 T his is part of the story of the Covenant of the Pieces, before Isaacs’s birth.
    St James says, “SHOW me your faith &c”
    St Paul is speaking of the faith that justifies before God, “for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart” (1 Sam 16:7); St James of the outward evidence of that faith.
    Faith alone justifies, but he faith that justifies is never alone.

  • The thing is that Cafeteria Catholics don’t change society for the better. The only way for abortion to be halted is for Catholics to really live their faith, and that unfortunately hasn’t been encouraged by many high up…

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  • Okay I admit that I never saw The Colbert Report before but that was side splittingly funny. But seriously famale bodied? What insanity….

  • It was funny. What’s even more funny to me is that in an effort to put their best face forward a group of people got together and through silly little hand signs selected this couple to represent them. Based on what I’ve seen I think they made the right choice, but it still doesn’t say much for them whether they be male bodied males, female bodied females, female bodied males, male bodied females, etc.

  • I need the source for those stats. Please post a link. Thanks and God Bless.

  • PBW Einstein: Contact NYC City Hall.

    The source isn’t the regime’s propaganda machine (NYT, Commie News Net, etc.) or Obama’s Ministry of Troof. That’s why God created FOXNEWS.

    Additionally, the above support the violence. The think it distracts we the people from the economic misery your brilliant Obama regime is causing.

    There have been several more sexual assaults (including a hearing-impaired man) and assaults and batteries which the anarchists refuse to report allowing the criminals to persist in plying useful (to Obama) avocations.

    NB: Obama and his hate-filled co-conspirators have not condemned the violence.

    Obama-worshiping imbeciles unite you have nothing to lose!

  • You should add the “autonomous collective” bit from Monty Python’s Quest for the Holy Grail. When I hear OWS ppl speak, I immediately think of it.

  • Actually, the Tea Party paid for permits for their demonstrations – which entailed paying for a prescribed amount of porta-potties too. I remember how hard they worked to raise the money from a gress roots movement.

    And let’s not forget the open drug sales, unbridled sex, and scabies.

  • Their great contribution to the Commonweal: Zuccotti Lung.

    They’re threatening to close down Wall Street this morning.

    This PM rush hour, they’re promising to clog the Brooklyn Bridge (it’s for sale, ya’ know).

    Way to win friends and influence people.

    There are a couple hundred of them. There are 3,000,000 men and women coming and going to work today in NYC.

    I hope they don’t get too close to my stocks.

    Yesterday, one of them said we were going to see what molotov cocktails do for Macy’s. I work a block away from there. I’m scared.

    “Annoy a liberal: Work, Succeed, Be Happy.” – bumper sticker

Pretend Clown Testifies Before Real Clowns

Tuesday, September 28, AD 2010

“Every time congress makes a law, it’s a joke. Every time congress makes a joke, it’s a law”.

Will Rogers

A fitting ending to the 111th Congress was having Stephen Colbert testify regarding migrant workers.  The Christian Science Monitor had a story on this bizarre episode entitled Stephen Colbert Congressional Testimony:  Why Was He Invited?

He was invited by the subcommittee Chairwoman Zoe Lofgren, a liberal Democrat from California representing a very liberal congressional district.  She thought that inviting Colbert to testify would get some publicity for her subcommittee.  Well it certainly did that!  Colbert’s testimony was so off-color that Steny Hoyer Democrat Majority Leader in the House on Sunday said:  “His testimony was not appropriate. I think it was an embarrassment for Mr. Colbert more than the House.”

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  • Well, he got it half right – it was inappropriate, but the House Democrats were more embarassed (or shamed?), not Colbert.

  • Yet, Colbert did have some more serious moments.

    I think all this “controversy” around his opening statement is rather silly. It seems as some would say there is no room for humor in Congress and it’s subcommittees. I was amused, and I also understood his point.

  • I thought Colbert’s “testimony” was at once brilliant and poignant. If one allows oneself to cut through the satire, one will see that he makes some important points, whether or not one ends up persuaded by the implicit argument he is making from them. Overall, I do not think it is the case that his testimony was a joke or off-color. Colbert is too clever to waste the opportunity.

  • Because I have not and will not listen to Colbert’s “testimony,” I have no view one way or another regarding its substance. The man is a comedian, and I am no more interested in his political opinions than those of my barber. The fact that Congress so routinely takes an interest in the views of Hollywood celebrities is ridiculous. If he is making fun of them then they plainly deserve it.

  • I watched his opening remarks and thought they were reasonably well done. He was a little off-color and rude in some of his responses in the Q&A session, but he also broke character to explain his reason for appearing and concern for immigrants as the least among us. For some reason Drudge decided to make this a top story for a day or two, so there was a lot of media coverage, but I don’t think there was anything particularly newsworthy.

  • The man is a comedian, and I am no more interested in his political opinions than those of my barber.

    Out of curiosity, whose political opinions do you think are worth your interest and what is your criteria? Why not be interested in the political views of a comedian or barber (or bus driver or lawyer or professor or home-schooling parent or…)?

Colbert On Obama's Tortured Reasoning

Friday, April 24, AD 2009

The Pandora’s box that President Obama has opened with the release of the torture memo’s has caused quite a stir in the Catholic blogosphere.  Nonetheless the stealth Catholic, comedian Stephen Colbert, has geniusely made a humorous rendition of the logic floating around Washington on the torture controversy.  Biretta tip to Mark Shea.

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