4 Responses to One Million Expected To See Shroud of Turin

  • Dear friends,
    I thought you might be interested in a documentary on the Shroud of Turin 
    to premiere on the History Channel on March 30th.
    It is titled “The Real Face of Jesus?”.
    This documentary looks at the Shroud from a unusual angle. 
    Instead of getting bogged down in the authenticity debate, it analyzes some of the unique characteristics found in the Shroud. 
    It is a content-rich, intellectually stimulating blend of science, art, and religion. It focuses on the process of recreating the face of the man in the Shroud from the 3D information encoded in it, and explores the totally unique characteristics of this artifact.
    We co-produced this film and we hope to do our small part in raising the bar for TV productions, which are so sadly shallow these days. The success and future of this kind of production rests entirely in the hands of the audience who tunes in to watch it, so any help in spreading the word will be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you,


  • The program was done with exceptional detail, logic and comprehensiveness. It covered all the bases — science, religion, computer graphic technology and appropriate skepticism. I’m a firm believer in the Shroud’s authenticity; but I can understand those who do not accept it. As they say, if you have the gift of faith, no artifact such as the Shroud is necessary; if you don’t have the gift of faith, no such artifact is convincing.

  • I am a dedicated catholic, I feel impelled to give my testimony because one needs to witness to the truth where and when necessary. In 1981 I was very privileged to have had a vision of our lord Jesus Christ in a historic church that was dedicated to St.Peter and St.Paul, I saw our Lords face, so sad.And the crown of thorns on his head so clear was this vision i could see the string of thorns encircled many times and the thorns so clear as if one would be pricked by them, I was totally awestruck and as you can imagine this vision took me from being a christian with many question marks to a fervent believer, after the vision i went to my mothers home when i went in to her living room i told my mother of my wonderful vision and was overwhelmed to discover that my mother had a copy of the shroud of Turin on her wall.I immediately said to my mother, this is Jesus Christ, this is who i saw actually as he is. It is him. The holy shroud image is that Of Jesus Christ, I can’t prove it but i would lay my life on this because it is true. I have since 1981 had many other experiences which have also confirmed to me the authenticity of the holy shroud and that it is of our Lord Jesus Christ. One day it will be recognised as true and venerated as the wonderful relic that it is, and i look forward to that day. Yours in Christ … Fred

  • Fred,

    I’m with you.

    I too believe that the Shroud is the real deal!

Vatican: Knights Templar Hid The Shroud of Turin

Sunday, April 5, AD 2009

Breaking news emanating from the Vatican today concerning the missing years of the Shroud of Turin.  It seems that the Knights Templar, after the sacking of Constantinople in A.D. 1204, held the Shroud of Turin until the dissolution of the order by Pope Clement V in A.D. 1307.

Dr. Barbara Frale, a researcher in the Vatican Secret Archives, wrote in the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano:

However her study of the trial of the Knights Templar had brought to light a document in which Arnaut Sabbatier, a young Frenchman who entered the order in 1287, testified that as part of his initiation he was taken to “a secret place to which only the brothers of the Temple had access”. There he was shown “a long linen cloth on which was impressed the figure of a man” and instructed to venerate the image by kissing its feet three times.

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24 Responses to Vatican: Knights Templar Hid The Shroud of Turin

  • I have an Oil Painting and I bought from a daughter of late Antiques dealer in New York USA.. He bought this oil Painting in 1945’s in U.K. I just found the picture on Oil Painting just exactly The Shroud of Turin which many believe is the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. What should I do ??

  • I have been to both the church in Chambéry France where the Shroud was hidden for several hundred years (and suffered the damages from the lead and crystal casket melting and the cloistered nuns reweaving the linen in 1532), and to Turin during the Pilgrimage Year of 1997.

    It was no “great secret” but local historical lore (a few hundred years old) that is finally being recognized by scholars as “accurate.”

    Reread some of the testimony forced under torture when the French King engineered the destruction of the Templar Order. The “head” was not the head of John the Baptist, rather, it was of his younger cousin, Our Lord and Savor’s Image. It was not an idol that they “worshiped,” rather Our Savior’s Real Presence, his human blood soaked into the cloth and venerated.

  • Sandra,

    I don’t know all the details, but I’m sure history will provide the correct story.

    It’s a nice story about the Knights Templar, but for the moment I remain a skeptic. Though it would be cool if it were true (about the Knights Templar).

  • Tito: I believe Knights Templar is a euphemism for Freemasonry. Freemasons are automatically excommunicated from the Church, and they are the biggest persecutors of the Church. Please correct me if I am wrong.

  • Connie,

    Knights Templar is a euphemism for Freemasonry.

    Not in the least. There is no relationship between them except in loony conspiracy circles, and even if there was it would not be a “euphemism”. The Templars were an authentic organization in the Church until they were suppressed (most believe unjustifiably), the masons have always been in opposition to the Catholic Church.

  • Yes, the connection between the Knight’s Templars and the Freemasons is a complete fiction. This too is a fiction although I wish DeMolay had said it. “Grand Master De Molay reportedly remained defiant to the end, asking to be tied in such a way that he could face the Notre Dame Cathedral, and hold his hands together in prayer. According to legend, he called out from the flames that both Pope Clement and King Philip would soon meet him before the bar of God. Pope Clement died only a month later, and King Philip died in a hunting accident before the end of the year.”

  • “…the masons have always been in oppositioni to the Catholic Church.”

    Not all —

    In fact, there was even one who wrote great classical pieces in the Church’s honor such as The Great Mass and even refused Protestantism deeming it inferior to Catholicism, as in an article one Protestant minister ironically authored concerning this famous classical genius whom humanity (not to mention, Hollywood) continues to honor even today.

  • Right; indeed one such mason, Joseph de Maistre, is well known for his strong support for the papacy, being a leader in Gallican thought, and helped raise the issue of papal infallibility. De Maistre’s influence was felt quite strongly at Vatican Council I.

  • e.,

    just because members of the masons have been publicly positive towards the Church doesn’t change the fundamental opposition to the Church.


  • The poem “Because We Are Thomas” says it all. Please see http://www.thebriarfields.com/The_Poems__III.html

  • Agreed.

    I myself abhor freemasonry and am appalled at the fact that these days their venemous poison is actually taken for granted by certain Catholics and even heralded by current day society given all the fanfare surrounding their supposedly awesome ‘mystique’, what with all the media attention and Hollywood films that would make freemasonry seem of an historical significance to society in general and even virtuously heroic.

  • Connie,

    I respectfully disagree with that point.

    [the following comment was addressed to e., not Connie]
    I can see the many benefits of freemasonry, but the underlying character of it is sinister and repulsive to my sensiblities.

  • Euphemism was not the right word. Pardon me. Pseudonym is more accurate.

    From the Papal Bull of Pope Clement XII in regards to Freemasonry: “stay completely clear of such Societies…under pain of excommunication for all the above mentioned people, which is incurred by the very deed without any declaration being required, and from which no one can obtain the benefit of absolution, other than at the hour of death, except through Ourselves or the Roman Pontiff of the time.” [thank you to Matt McDonald for the link]

    I respectfully disagree with the claim that Knights Templar are not associated with Freemasonry. Perhaps the Knights Templar was an authentic organization in the Church until their association with Freemasonry, but this association is held by Knights Templar and Freemasons themselves.
    From their own websites:
    “All Knights Templar are members of the world’s oldest fraternal organization known as Free And Accepted Masons.” http://www.indianafreemasons.com/imorites/knights/index.html

    “The Grand Encampment of Knights Templar
    of the United States of America
    is the national governing body of the Knights Templar,
    a Christian-oriented fraternal organization and
    an integral part of the Masonic Fraternity.” http://www.knightstemplar.org/

    I don’t understand how this association can be considered a “conspiracy theory” if the Knights Templar and the Masons are claiming it themselves. Feel free to ‘GOOGLE IT’ and see what you find.

  • Connie, the organization you linked to at knightstemplar.org has no connection to the historical Knights Templar which was a Catholic religious order which fought in the Crusades.


  • Donald, thank you for the clarification.

    In summary: the Knights Templar was an authentic Catholic organization until its dissolution in 1307. Today, the Knights Templar is a pseudonym for Freemasonry. It seems the Masons claimed the legendary name “Knights Templar” for themselves.
    So we are all correct.

    The reason I am harping on this issue is because I know several Catholic men who are Freemasons and/or Knights Templar. And Masses in our parish are celebrated with the intentions for the “Knights Templar.” It’s bad stuff, folks.

  • Connie,

    I agree with you on that (and many, many other points).

  • Connie,

    And Masses in our parish are celebrated with the intentions for the “Knights Templar.” It’s bad stuff, folks.

    Are you sure you’re not confusing this with Knights of Columbus? It seems unusual for a parish to pray for the Templers. Even though some masons have used the label “Knights Templar” it’s not really a pseudonym.

  • Matt,

    No, I am familiar with the KCs. I know the difference. To pray for the Knights Templar is more than unusual – it’s sinister.

  • No argument there, I’ve seen plenty of “sinister” in parishes everywhere, just not this particular one.

  • I don’t think it’s the Knights Templar that Connie might be referring to; more likely, it might be the Knights of St. John, which unfortunately gets confused with the Knights Templar for obvious reasons.

    IF so, get a grip, folks.

    The Knights of St. John have historically remained (and continues even so to this day) loyal to Rome.

  • not to mention the Knights of Malta… I suspect that Connie is not making this mistake though.

  • Matt,

    They’re one and the same.

    In fact, they were present at the Masses in the Pope’s American visit.

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