Cardinal Burke Interview

Monday, December 19, AD 2016


Last Thursday Raymond Arroyo of EWTN had an interview with Cardinal Burke, one of the Four Cardinals, in which the Cardinal explains what is at stake.  Here is the ending of the interview:

Cardinal Burke: Of course it does, that [is the] standard instrument in the Church for addressing such a situation. Yes, there are other cardinals. I don’t want to get into this business of the numbers. We have to remember, the criterion here is the truth. There have been cases, for instance, take for example the case of Henry VIII and his desire to be able to enter a second marriage without having his first marriage declared null—all of the bishops of England except St. John Fisher went along with the error, but St. John Fisher is the saint because he defended the truth. And all of us in the Church who are cardinals, bishops, we have the responsibility to defend the truth; whether we seem to be numerous or we seem to be very few doesn’t make any difference. It’s the truth of Christ which has to be taught.

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16 Responses to Cardinal Burke Interview

  • “It’s the truth of Christ which has to be taught.”
    It doesn’t matter what a majority of people think or believe or hope for. Only Truth matters. Comply and go to Heaven. Disobey and go to hell. It’s black and white. No grey.

  • Cardinal Burke cleaves to the truth, and makes his case for truth as clearly as
    his formidable skills allow. Evidently, he trusts in the power of the truth to act
    as a beacon for all men of goodwill. His Eminence has no power besides the
    truth, he cannot threaten nor compel men to act other than by persuading them
    of the truth before them. Clarity and reason and transparency are allies for
    such a shepherd, and draw other honest men to the cause of truth.
    Pope Francis, on the other hand, appears to have decided that his program is
    best served by ambiguity and appeals to emotion, coupled with some rather
    cynical manipulations of synods and Curial bureaucracy. Clarity and reason
    and transparency do not appear to be the allies of such a shepherd, and
    honest men can be drawn to his agenda only by threats, manipulation, and
    chicanery. Honest men would likely withdraw from working under such a man,
    and so the dishonest and cynical would step into the vacuum. This will not end

  • Commonality, Francis and Luther.
    Good intentions, Bad results.

  • One man or woman together with God and His Truth is justified.

  • That there might be exceptions to remarriage seemed quite possible to me. Here is a case I would wonder about. Let’s say a Protestant is forced into a marriage when that person was 18, ran away from the marriage months after and then divorced and remarried and is now married a second time for forty years. That person wants to enter the Catholic Church, but the first spouse cannot be found nor can any witnesses to the first marriage be found. An annulment to the first marriage is not granted because there are no witnesses, yet that person knows, and God knows, the first marriage was forced (and thus was not a sacramental marriage). Could that person be given permission to receive the sacraments?

  • Bravo Cdl. Bourke and the others with him presenting the ‘Dubia’ whci has received the support of at least 30 other cardinals, and probably hundreds of bishops.
    When Cdl. Kasper came out with his comments WRT divorced and remarried without annulment back during the synod on the family, I mentioned then to my PP that he was a heretic, which he received with not much happiness :-).
    Since then, and for two other areas of disagreement – one of which is the de facto disagreement with parts of Amoris Laetitia – he has been side-lining me in my ministry as a deacon in various ways – he is a vindictive man and this has been noticed by many parishioners. Fortunately, he will be being moved by June next year – can’t happen soon enough. 🙂

  • On that very same show, he interviewed Johnny Mathis, the best male voice of his generation:


  • It is good that EWTN is giving Cardinal Burke airtime. The more publicity on the heretical machinations of Pope Francis the better. But my guess is that most Catholics don’t even realize a dispute about Catholic doctrine is in progress as they will surely hear nothing about it at Sunday Mass. The latest thing being pushed at our parish is the Catholic version of the Protestant Alpha program, which, by the way, Cardinal Burke condemns.

  • Richard, as far as I know, you don’t really need witnesses. When I was getting my annulment (both of us were practicing Catholics married in the church), he refused. He also refused to have children. The annulment office told me that it’s better for me if he refuses to fill out any paperwork. When I went to marry my husband (who was not Catholic and had married a non-practicing Catholic outside the church), he just needed an annulment of form (I think that’s what it was called). Neither annulment was hard. Mine took 2 years, his took 6 months. I have a cousin who’s ex-husband got an annulment to marry her. Both “practicing” Catholics, in the Church by her deacon father. that marriage lasted maybe 4 years. Even she was able to get an annulment (which only took a year) … apparently his alcoholism, which she ignored when marrying him, was an impediment to a valid marriage.

  • Re Missy. Agree. My impression from both knowledge and experience is that annulments are practically automatic. A priest in Detroit who sat on the Marriage Tribunal as the Marriage Court is called said that he never knew of a case of denial. And now with the easy annulments of Pope Francis getting an annulment anywhere should not be a problem. Witnesses are not essential to the process.

  • What is that old saying ? While the cat is away the mice will play?
    Two thousand years ago Jesus said that the only justifiable reason for divorce was adultery.

  • Timothy Reed, what if a man adulterates himself with alcohol or drugs? Does that count? Standard Alanon advice for spouses in abusive alcoholic marriages: leave. As a recovering alcoholic ever capable of returning to my vomit, I told my wife to dump me quicker than snake snot if I ever drink again. It’s that simple.

  • This is not a rebuttal, but an enhancement : LQC
    What we need to see here is the difference between the Letter of the Law, and the Heart of the Law. Jesus did not come into the World to condemn it, but rather to save it ! He knew from the start that we could never keep the Ten Commandments; thus, He also knew that we would not be able to keep all of His teachings and commands. He wants us to Care.
    And He wants us to Try.
    The Lord I kneel before will not condemn me for failure. He wants me to love Him. I do.
    And if you love someone you care how THEY feel ! If they are happy; you are happy. If they are sad; you are sad. If they are weeping, you want to comfort them.
    When I repent, it’s not out of fear. It’s because I know that I have hurt someone I love.

  • Timothy, I agree with everything you wrote in your enhancement except this: “If you love someone, then you will care about how they will feel.”
    Rather, you will care that the person gets to Heaven, regardless of how that person feels. When I was down in my cups, high as a kite on booze and drugs, someone caring about how I felt would have killed me because he would simply have given me another shot of vodka, another bag of heroin, another snort of cocaine to alleviate my pain and misery to make me feel better. Thank God for coworkers and a boss who had enough of how good I felt, and thank God for the Holy Spirit’s baseball bat of withdrawals.
    As I told my wife, “If you love me and I drink again, then leave and let me suffer because I will need to suffer in order to get sober.”
    But as you correctly imply, Timothy, things are more nuanced in most circumstances than such extremes as alcoholism or drug addiction. When you spouse grieves, then you grieve with her. When she rejoices, then you rejoice with her. Why? Because you are both one flesh. What can break that joining? In one example (I am sure there are others) and in a very real sense, the solvent of alcohol.
    One last thing – something my 12 step sponsor and my priest confessor (his sponsor) told me a long tme ago: God doesnt give a care about how you feel, Paul. He will do everything necessary to get you sober, even if that means dropping you to your knees in utter pain and remorse. That’s called God’s grace and mercy.

  • Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus.

    Beautifully written.
    Especially; “….need to suffer in order to get sober.” A hard truth but it is true none the less.

  • Great discussion. Marriage is sacred, God often refers to His relationship to us like one of marriage.
    Re the great points made by LCC concerning other ways of being unfaithful (alcohol): Our waywardness is manifested in many other ways- making false idols of our various sins, including a list given by Paul—”greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers”.
    When unfaithful in one we are simply unfaithful.
    Galations 5:20 “fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy,* drunkenness, carousing, and things like these” are listed as deal breakers.

12 Responses to Defender of the Faith

  • “Blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it.” Luke 11:28

    Thank you Cardinal Burke.

  • ““O good Jesus, make me a priest after Your own Heart.”
    Some people have heaven on earth.

  • My heart breaks for Cardinal Burke and yet I know that he isn’t fazed with this non sense and he knows he is responsible for the truth of the faith. Let them spread their evil for we all have to answer to God Almighty. Diabolical teaching has led and is leading souls to hell. He knows that when we stand before the Lord we can’t say, “But Lord, no one ever told me this was wrong”. There were some who did tell us and guide us and hopefully they will receive their just reward by His side.

  • Cardinal Raymond Burke and Patriarch Sviatoslav Shevchuk are my two all time favorites.

  • We all may thank the One Living God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the Church still has men such as this individual for a beacon of truth for the masses! That day many of us have discussed has finally arrived, ushered in with “The Winds Of Change” that will surely cleanse all churches before its completed its sacred mission. Cardinal Raymond Burk is one of the few who knew this day would appear as well as its outcome, in fact and in form. Thank you sir for the service you have rendered to he Catholic Church as well as mankind! “Laus Deo”

  • Very interesting interview, but moot for practical circumstances. The game is already long lost!

    Abandoned spouses NEVER experience anything remotely resembling justice with the Catholic Church. NEVER. Unless there is a reconciliation and the abandoner comes to a horrible, terrifying, nearly suicidal inducing understanding of what they have done to their family, it is simple hog wash!

    Even Burke has no idea what he is talking about from MY LIVING PERSPECTIVE. I believe his “heart” is in the right place but he insults me, even at his best and insults our marriage by not openly advocating for formal excommunications for all unjustly abandoning spouses and all Catholics who support them, materially or substantially. If minor children are involved, the excommunications should be lifted only at death, unless there is a reckoning, as in “Unless there is a reconciliation and the abandoner comes to a horrible, terrifying, nearly suicidal inducing understanding of what they have done to their family, it is simple hog wash!” and it is even clear to third parties with no interests involved that, indeed, the “perp” has experienced a living hell!

    My two cents.

    SORRY, DON. Way, way to close to home for me for the past 25 years.

  • Karl.
    “MY LIVING PERSPECTIVE” – Says it all. Whilst we all have the deepest sympathy and concern for those who have been abandonned by their spouse, your statement and complaint smacks very loudly of- “Poor ME – the mean old Church should change their rules to fit MY circumstances.” It’s not all about this life but the next. Some crosses are very hard to bear.

    Bravo Cdl. Burke; it is good that some cardinals have joined him in confronting Kasper’s heretical statements. How can we change the rules in complete contradiction to the words of Christ and remain Catholic – let alone Christian?

    I am disappointed by the NZ Archbishop of Wellington John Dew – who I know personally and is a very good man to chat to but is on the liberal side -whi has come out and said that he doesn’t think any Church doctrine will change, but he thinks some of the language may be changed because it is harsh – words like “intrinsically disordered” and “living in sin”. Trouble is, change the words and you change the meaning – that has been the way of progressives for many decades now. Its not about being “MEAN” , its about speaking the TRUTH.

    Next time I talk to the good Arch Bishop I think I’ll have a word in his ear 🙂

  • Don the Kiwi:

    Do you seriously think that I am alone in what is going on? Get a grip man. This is going on because the Catholic Church has been unresponsive except to our poor adulterous spouses for my entire lifetime!

    It is not about me. But, I AM living it. That is how I know what is going on. But, I also know, from many others, that what is going on is ubiquitous in the Catholic Church, at least in America. However, the defense of truth is not a function of numbers. Our marriages are in the cross hairs of the Catholic Church. That is reality.

    Rules….man made ones, do change. Even the heretics know this.

    What I have long defended, the indissolubility of marriage, does not.

    Believe what you want, Don. I did not say the next world did not matter or that it is not the point of all of this. Nor do I reject the cross of my wife’s adultery. However, a failure to address injustice adequately, which beyond any question the Catholic Church is long guilty of, to the hilt, regarding the violation of marriage and is now in the slow process of trying to regularize, teaches, PRECISELY, that it does not.


    I doubt, however, that you see it the same way. So be it. Enough said.

  • Karl.

    I have not experienced your injustice from the position of the Catholic Church.

    I have experienced forgiveness healing and peace.

    My prayer today is for you to receive what I have from the same Catholic Church.

  • Cardinal Burke is a man unafraid of the Truth. He may have his own fears about what will happen – who would not? – and probably has always had other clergy who have opposed him.

    Our Holy Father has no public critical words or decisive actions for Cardinal Kasper, or anything Kasper does or says. That says a lot about the Holy Father.

    Our Holy Father’s comments about traditional Catholicism (the backhanded slap for those who offered him 3,000 Rosaries), the deeds of Fr. Volpi to the FFI, the impending demotion of Cardinal Burke – and yet Cardinal Burke soldiers on.
    He provides inspiration to me, a sinner.

  • The eternal joys which Christ promises far exceed all earthly delight.

  • Kasper is a dog.

    +Kasper is a dog.