Thy Mercy on Thy People Lord

Wednesday, November 2, AD 2016

 

 

All Souls Day is a good time to start a post where we can pray for our dead:

Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen.

I ask Lord that the souls of Larry McClarey, Donald D. McClarey, Mary McClarey, Raymond McClarey, Thelma McClarey, Ralph McClarey, Chuck McClarey, Roscoe McClarey, Betty Taylor, Chris Bissey, Rowena Barry, Nanny Barry, Alice Moore, Dyke Moore, and some poor soul known only to You, may even now be enjoying the Beatific Vision.  May we all share in the joy of those who see You face to face.

List the souls you wish to pray for in the comboxes.

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  • Frank J. Nachazel- Joan O.Taylor Nachazel – Ruth La Pointe – Howard King – Honorable Judge Ormand Danford- Jim Nachazel-Pete Nachazel-and all the souls that have passed away that I’ve been associated with in the two homes that I’ve been blessed to serve in the past sixteen years. To them all… everlasting peace.

  • Lois Dowd–wife. Kelly Dowd–daughter. William Dowd–father, Ida Dowd–mother, Robert Dowd–brother.

  • Patricia A. Clarkson, Richard Clarkson, Anna Clarkson, Clara Griffin, Mary Ellen Busby, Jonathon G. Busby

  • I did plenaries for all close relatives. I do partials from the online Enchiridion for all others…
    http://www.basilica.org/pages/ebooks/Sacred%20Apostolic%20Penitentiary-The%20Enchiridion%20of%20Indulgences.pdf

    Will do today’s for this threads people mentioned.

  • Thanks Bill.
    For yours and as you offered, to all of the intentions on this thread.
    Family…a concept much larger than those gathering at the Thanksgiving table.
    Peace.

  • Angela Heine – a good friend killed by a drunk driver.

  • For all my departed family, friends and relatives, and our recently departed Pastor and friend Fr. George.

  • I believe they loved me better than I loved them. And, that is a lesson I remember every day as I say my prayers.
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    Each night, I pray for, my lovely and wonderful Mother and Father – my brother Peter – my saintly friend “Uncle Richie” – Aunt Margaret and Uncle Bob – Nana – Aunt Peggy – Aunt Nancy – Cousin Margaret – Cousin Eileen – Cousin Jim – Lawrence Charles McClarey – old friends: Joe, Russ and Gerhardt – Cousin Richie – Uncle Lou – Uncle John – Uncle Joe – Uncle George – Aunt Mary – Aunt Mary, Grandma – Aunt Nell – Aunt Rose – Aunt Helen – Uncle Tom – Uncle George – Aunt Evelyn – Uncle Ray – Aunt Sally – Uncle Jimmy – two grandfathers who I never met – the war dead too numerous to name. And, there are more I could pray for. It’s mostly chronological beginning with the recent and with some family grouping. Each of them blessed me with their life and love. Each of them meant a great deal to me.
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    Spiritual Work of Mercy: pray for the living and the dead.

  • Dad, Uncle Jim, Grandma & Grandpap Washinski, Grandma & Papa McLuckie, my great grandparents, two of whom I knew, Frank & Rose Genduso, the deceased members of the Zabrowski & Beall families, I’ll think of more. Our three babies who never saw the light of day, only one of which we could bury, I think are not in Purgatory but I am mentioning them

  • For all my relatives and my husbands’s relatives gone before us. For those departed who have no one else to pray for them. For Tatoo Bill. For Buster Armbuster, George Moe, Tim Cocusa, Santilli, Kilcline, Col Reed who died in Naval and USAF air accidents. For aborted babies. For KIA. For persecuted Christians througout the world who have died because of their faith.

  • For all the diehard Cubs fans of the past century who departed this life in steadfast hope of their favorite team’s eventual resurrection… including my grandfather, Thomas Adams, and my parents, John and Alice Krewer. I hope you had the best seats in the house tonight….

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Saint Thomas Aquinas on Purgatory

Sunday, November 2, AD 2014

Article 1. Whether there is a Purgatory after this life?

Objection 1. It would seem that there is not a Purgatory after this life. For it is said (Apocalypse 14:13): “Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors.” Therefore after this life no cleansing labor awaits those who die in the Lord, nor those who do not die in the Lord, since they cannot be cleansed. Therefore there is no Purgatory after this life.

Objection 2. Further, as charity is to an eternal reward , so is mortal sin to eternal punishment. Now those who die in mortal sin are forthwith consigned to eternal punishment. Therefore those who die in charity go at once to their reward; and consequently no Purgatory awaits them after this life.

Objection 3. Further, God Who is supremely merciful is more inclined to reward good than to punish evil. Now just as those who are in the state of charity, do certain evil things which are not deserving of eternal punishment, so those who are in mortal sin, at times perform actions, generically good, which are not deserving of an eternal reward. Therefore since these good actions are not rewarded after this life in those who will be damned, neither should those evil actions be punished after this life. Hence the same conclusion follows.

On the contrary, It is said (2 Maccabees 12:46): “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.” Now there is no need to pray for the dead who are in heaven, for they are in no need; nor again for those who are in hell, because they cannot be loosed from sins. Therefore after this life, there are some not yet loosed from sins, who can be loosed therefrom; and the like have charity, without which sins cannot be loosed, for “charity covereth all sins” [Proverbs 10:12]. Hence they will not be consigned to everlasting death , since “he that liveth and believeth in Me, shall not die for ever” [John 11:26]: nor will they obtain glory without being cleansed, because nothing unclean shall obtain it, as stated in the last chapter of the Apocalypse (verse 14). Therefore some kind of cleansing remains after this life.

Further, Gregory of Nyssa [De iis qui in fide dormiunt] says: “If one who loves and believes in Christ,” has failed to wash away his sins in this life, “he is set free after death by the fire of Purgatory.” Therefore there remains some kind of cleansing after this life.

I answer that, From the conclusions we have drawn above ( III, 86, 4-5 ; Supplement, 12, 1 ) it is sufficiently clear that there is a Purgatory after this life. For if the debt of punishment is not paid in full after the stain of sin has been washed away by contrition, nor again are venial sins always removed when mortal sins are remitted, and if justice demands that sin be set in order by due punishment, it follows that one who after contrition for his fault and after being absolved, dies before making due satisfaction, is punished after this life. Wherefore those who deny Purgatory speak against the justice of God: for which reason such a statement is erroneous and contrary to faith. Hence Gregory of Nyssa, after the words quoted above, adds: “This we preach, holding to the teaching of truth, and this is our belief; this the universal Church holds, by praying for the dead that they may be loosed from sins.” This cannot be understood except as referring to Purgatory: and whosoever resists the authority of the Church, incurs the note of heresy.

Reply to Objection 1. The authority quoted is speaking of the labor of working for merit, and not of the labor of suffering to be cleansed.

Reply to Objection 2. Evil has not a perfect cause, but results from each single defect: whereas good arises from one perfect cause, as Dionysius asserts [Div. Nom. iv, 4]. Hence each defect is an obstacle to the perfection of good; while not every good hinders some consummation of evil, since there is never evil without some good. Consequently venial sin prevents one who has charity from obtaining the perfect good, namely eternal life, until he be cleansed; whereas mortal sin cannot be hindered by some conjoined good from bringing a man forthwith to the extreme of evils.

Reply to Objection 3. He that falls into mortal sin, deadens all the good he has done before, and what he does, while in mortal sin, is dead: since by offending God he deserves to lose all the good he has from God. Wherefore no reward after this life awaits him who dies in mortal sin, whereas sometimes punishment awaits him who dies in charity, which does not always wash away the sin which it finds, but only that which is contrary to it.

 

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  • “Reply to Objection 1. The authority quoted is speaking of the labor of working for merit, and not of the labor of suffering to be cleansed.”
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    Fallible man would willingly wait in purgatory until he is made whole in the Truth of Christ.

  • Probably not the place to put this but, Don, remove it if I have “crossed a line”.

    I just get texts from my oldest daughter asking me to pray for her youngest sister, L. She has serious “problems” that could end her life. She has told her older sister, A, that more or less, she is trying to die.

    This poor sweet child is the younger of the two from my wife’s long “meandering” and she is distant from both of her parents. I have pointedly told her that I love her, as my own but that I cannot replace her father, who was given to her by God. She is acutely aware of the “issues”. I held her snugly and as long as I could when we last spoke a little over a month ago and I told her how much I loved seeing her when I came down to visit her siblings, nieces and nephews. I asked her to take care of herself so that I could visit with her when I came down in the future.

    If any of you could find the time to pray for her, please do.

  • I will remember L in my prayers. May God surround her with His kindness and protection.

  • Karl,
    Will do so. Intercession is what I do…for decades for serious sinners and criminals mainly five who tried to maim or kill me in several rough neighborhoods. See how Aquinas says that dying in Charity is the path to Purgatory. You by your interceding want God to have mercy on her so she gets there to Charity. Purgatory is a reward…not the default setting. ” He has mercy on whom He has mercy and whom He wills, He hardens”. Your job is to intercede constantly for her whatever God shows you is “constantly” for you. Ignore all modern funeral parlor optimism. There is no empty hell. She needs your constant work of prayer. I’m pretty sure I and one other person mainly…got one murderer into Purgatory after decades. God is missing monks. Become her monk so that she reaches the reward that is Purgatory. Moses murdered a man. God punished him with being a shepherd for forty years for another man’s sheep….after he was used to regal living. Intercede with that God because He antecedently wills her salvation…and vehemently according to Fr. Most.
    Tell that girl you want her to pray twice a day for the captured women under Islamic State. She’ll be working at love and she’ll be losing self pity as she sees their situation in her mind. Give her the work of love to do.

  • Karl, we will pray for this young woman. Please do all you can too. Run up a large phone bill if you have to. Take her to dinner with your daughter if you can. The reason we make and save money is so we can burn it at a time like this. Been there, done that, so I know.

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  • Karl, I will add L to my prayer list. If by “issues” you mean she is depressed, she needs medical help and I will offer prayers for her and for a competent doctor to treat her. I think Bill Bannon has given you wise counsel.

  • L’s parents seem unable to decide what to do. I have given the name of someone whose daughter was involved in similar activity, to my oldest daughter to forward to her mother, who is L’s mother. This person has the permission of her daughter to discuss whatever needs to be addressed. I have asked my daughter to assure her mother that I AM NOT involved with this in any way, other than trying to help a young girl to cope with her circumstances.

    Thank you all for the advice and the prayers, sincerely.

  • Karl, There are a variety of situations wherein young people are told there is no way out and the young believe it, because they can’t see the way. There is always a way out. You post is so hopeful. More prayer.

  • bill bannon: There was no response I knew how to make. “Give her the work of love to do.” is what I would have said, if I knew how to say it.
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    To Karl: She is a minor child who needs a vocation. Bill Bannon’s counsel is excellent. “IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE” I can hear the bells.

  • A good doctor once told me that “It is normal to abnormal in an abnormal situation”

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  • Its interesting….there are many aspects of Catholicism I love (despite being a millennial man who votes and is liberal on a lot of things, I am 100% completely on board with “no sex till marriage” and WISH I was Catholic and believed this teaching in High School. Nothing happened, I just feel I would have felt spiritually liberated thinking this back then). There are other aspects and teachings that I do obey….but primarily out of fear. Purgatory is one of the aspects of Catholicism I love because it actually enables me to reconcile both our firm faith with my own theologically liberal instincts….

    In terms of the question “do you believe most of the people you know (who in my case are not Catholic) will go to hell?”, I now personally hope for it to turn out that rather than most of humanity going to hell, most in fact spend (potentially) LOTS of time in purgatory. I take comfort in an encyclical Pope Benedict published that Father Barron once mentioned talking about hoping that hell only has the worst of the worst. I like to think of purgatory more as an almost psychedelic alternate dimension where thought is made manifest as people confront themselves in a wonderland like maze. I like to think of what our faith might serve on such a plane, such as maybe making navigating said maze easier in ways we can’t see in our three dimensional universe.

    Those are just some thoughts and hopes on why purgatory is awesome! What do you think? What aspects of purgatory theology/its place in Catholicism do you like?

  • “It is normal to BE abnormal in an abnormal situation.” (No excuse for sloppy proofreading.) The good doctor’s advice, by the way, made me feel normal. When I feel abnormal I just busy myself and make myself useful. The Holy Spirit provides. Prayers, Karl.

  • on Brittany Maynard: One mentally disabled individual and homicidal enablers. Some people believe that death will cure them of pain and suffering, when, in fact, only God cures and heals and saves. What if, and I do not know, as death ends change and becomes the here and now forever, what if the pain and the suffering become eternally permanentized for the “assisted” suicide?
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    Being assisted in suicide and assisting in suicide says nothing about the human being composed of mortal body and immortal soul. “Be afraid of those who would kill your immortal soul.” Only swine possessed by the devil run off a cliff into the sea and drown themselves.

  • Pope Benedict XVI asked the laity to “pick a priest and pray for him your whole life”. It never occurred to me until several years later that Pope Benedict XVI, as a priest, was asking for our prayers. I did pick a priest and promise to pray for him my whole life. My pledge has been my companion for all this time.

Top 15 Misconceptions About Catholics

Tuesday, April 20, AD 2010

Karen L. Anderson of Online Christian Colleges wrote a timely piece on the many myths, misconceptions, and outlandish lies told about Catholics:

With nearly one quarter of the U.S. population Catholic, they make up a huge part of society and the largest Christian denomination. Yet with so many, how is it they are so misunderstood and characterized by films, television shows, etc.?

Failing to do the proper research explains a great deal of it. With a simple search on the internet, we were able to find many interesting answers to the top 15 misconceptions about Catholics. They are both from official sources, reporters, academics, and more.

1. Priests Are More Likely to be Pedophiles : The most dangerous of all myths concerning Catholics, this can lead to many negative and unfair consequences. Recently in a book entitled Pedophiles and Priests, an extensive study – and the only one of it kind – took a look at the pedophile statistics of over 2,200 priests. It found that only 0.3% of all Catholic clergy are involved in any pedophilia matter, guilty or not. This number is actually very low and according to Counter Pedophilia Investigative Unit, who reports that children are more likely to be victims of pedophile activity at school with nearly 14% of students estimated to be molested by a member of the school staff.

2. Everything in “The Da Vinci Code” is True : Even author Dan Brown himself doesn’t agree to this. In this free film from Hulu, Mr. Brown admits to writing his novel as a step in his own spiritual journey. As he confesses to being swayed by his extensive research, the experts behind the research weigh in with facts. Simon Cox is the author of “Cracking the Da Vinci Code” and tells more about his work in this documentary. If you don’t have 90 minutes to view it, you can get the real story behind Opus Dei, the villain organization in the novel, from ABC news.

3. Women Are Oppressed in the Catholic Church : Although women are still not eligible to become priests as explained by Pope John Paul II, they were still acknowledged as valued members of the church as far back as 1947. In a Papal Directive from then Pope Pius XII, he expressed his admiration of women “to take part in the battle: you have not sought to do so, but courageously you accept your new duties; not as resigned victims nor merely in a defensive spirit.” Also, in 2004 then Pope John Paul II historically appointed two women theologians to the International Theological Commission and named another as the president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.

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  • The dificulty in the myths in the article are not the fact that they are misconceptions of the Roman Catholic Church. The turly sad part is that many so called members of our Church add to these misconception by 2 basic means. They do not correct these myths when asked by friends or others who are inquisitive either from lack of knowlegde or feeling this is not their right to do so and the second most problem and perhaps the worse is that many so called “catholics” beleve the crticisms are correct.

  • I would also say 9, 12 and 15 are odd; never heard them before….

  • #1: The book looks only at data since 1982. As we’ve seen in another recent TAC post, we have far more incidents prior to 1982. The John Jay study, which goes farther back, concludes that a shocking 4% of priests were reported to have sexually abused children. The second link you posted says that 1-5% of teachers sexually abuse or harass children. Harassment is more common than sexual abuse so the prevalence among teachers is probably less than 2.5%. But then you have to take out the women teachers who are must less likely to sexually abuse students. It also might to useful to compare the prevalence of sexual abuse of boys only. Priests are more likely to abuse boys and teachers are more likely to abuse girls. Bottom line is that you need more data but it’s certain that among pedophiles, priests are outliers. Even if abuse isn’t any more prevalent, why boys instead of girls? I think it’s entirely possible that the priesthood attracts sexual deviants.

    #3: And some black slaves were allowed to sleep in the master’s house. Crumbs do not disprove oppression. If we’re going to completely honest with ourselves, I think we have to admit that the Church denies women opportunities that are open to men. We don’t have to get all defensive over that fact. Christ denied women opportunities that he gave to men.

    #5: The Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus.

    #8: I’m unclear of what you’re saying here. Catholics were once required to abstain from meat on ALL Fridays. Catholics must still abstain from meat on Fridays of Lent but in the US, bishops allow Catholics to give up something else on Fridays outside of Lent.

  • RR,

    #3. She never claimed nor said that.

    #5. I corrected her post, thanks!

  • You can always count on restrained radical to bash the Church for no apparent reason.

  • Is the reason not apparent? I’m a closet Episcopalian. Which reminds me… there’s an interesting piece in the New Yorker on the debate over women bishops in the Church of England. Full article requires a subscription. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/04/26/100426fa_fact_kramer

  • I think that a lot of these misconceptions come from different places. The Dan Brown stuff is probably more common among evangelicals and conspiracy-types, two crowds that probably don’t have much in common. Ditto for the claim of oppressing women, which would come from feminist atheists and faithful Protestants.

    The supposed conflict between faith and reason in #4 is the one that irritates me the most. It’s so patently wrong! I attended a lecture on data visualization (of all things) last week, and the instructor went off on a tangent about the persecution of Galileo. For whatever reason, we get tarred by the same brush as evangelicals about science, then tarred by evangelicals about Mary. Oh well. As Chesterton said, if you’re being accused by everyone of every possible error, you may be perfectly correct.

  • Yes Pinky, Chesteron really had a unigue use of words and as far as 9 is concerned ,they probably never heard of Hilaire Belloc..”wherever the Catholic sun doth shine there’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I always found it so Benedicamus Domino “

  • Number 9 was news to me. Wine is even part of our sacramental life, unlike those denominations that use grape juice. I’ve never heard a stereotype about a sober Irishman, a teetotaling Italian, or a Mexican refusing beer, so I don’t know where the myth of Catholic avoidance of alcohol comes from.

  • Too often Catholics get lumped together with puritan Protestant Creationists. And too often it’s Catholics who do it.

    Catholics can drink, smoke, believe in evolution, dinosaurs, the big bang, aliens, believe that you can be born gay, reject intelligent design, and celebrate Halloween.

    Here’s a couple others:

    Catholics are anti-sex or Catholics believe sex is purely for pro-creation.

    Catholics believe being gay is a sin.

  • Catholics believe engaging in homosexual sex is a sin. Whether people are in their “being” gay, that is that it is genetically determined, is far from scientifically proven. But if so, it would be like alcoholism. There would be a genetic predispostion to sin which in itself would not be sinful but which, through grace, could be overcome.