The Philosopher Millennial

Monday, March 21, AD 2016

Justin Bieber Church Christian Taco Bell Millennial Philosopher

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“You don’t need to go to church to be a Christian.

If you go to Taco Bell, that doesn’t make you a taco.”

– Justin Bieber

This is probably the quote of the year, from a Millennial no less.

(Hat Tip: Taylor Marshall at Maccabee Society)

Update: A few developments that have come up through reliable sources:

  1.  Justin Bieber does attend both Sunday service and Wednesday night Bible study weekly.
  2.  This may be an old Protestant meme with no relation to Justin Bieber.
  3.  If the graphics on the pic above are correct, I recognize the CNN Headline News logo and it may well be anti-Christian propaganda.
  4.  For the record, I do not dislike Justin Bieber, I just found the quote quite funny, but with these recent developments, please keep in mind that this could be another smear against professed Christians.
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  • Justin Bieber, a Canadian migrant doing a job Americans just won’t do.

  • Meet the new press secretary for Pope Francis!

  • …wait a minute.
    Wasn’t it Justin Bieber who said?; “A mind is a terrible thing.”

    Mr. Bieber is one taco shy of a combo platter.

  • Justin Bieber is typical of today’s generation. There are intelligent, rational engineers in their late 20s or early 30s with whom I work who would say exactly what he said. This is the fruit of godless liberal progressive Academia.

  • Some day he might also be saying with the same authoritative voice, “If you go to Hell, that doesn’t make you a bad person”

  • O tempora o mores!

  • Deport him to Canada for gross stupidly!

  • Whoa! JB future Vatican star, you are so wrong with your food magisterium. Indeed, you are what you eat-so-enough tacos and you become a taco-just look around at so many on such a diet and you see immediately this is gospel truth. There are walking human Dunkin Donuts and living Whoppers. Same same-eat His flesh, drink His blood and become incorporated into the biggest fan club of all time-the MBOC. Mystical Body Of Christ. Guy McClung, San Antonio, Texas

  • Taking Tito Edwards’ title a step further, I find it fascinating to [attempt to] discuss history, politics and economics with millennial philosophers. Some are surprisingly thoughtful, and appear to realize, “Yeah, that’s right.” (i.e., about capital drives all economics, you cant increase pay if you don’t increase productivity, that communism has been the greatest murderer in history with greatest living murderers still around us like Fidel & Raul, and the little fat man in Pyongyang, or historically, the sociopath named Lenin, the goon named Stalin (they don’t know he started as a bank-robber in Pt. Baku), nor the late round-faced god with his little red book that murdered upwards of 40 MILLION.

    Mind you, most of these people bring up the questions to me in the course of my work—I don’t volunteer or practice “solemn-nonsense proselytism.” Heaven forbid.
    ….
    But with many others, you reach a THC-addled, drug-fused wall (at least out here in CA) melted into a dense mantle of 12 years of ecological Leninism. Hard to penetrate. This is the stronghold of the Bernie supporters—emotion welcome, reason an enemy, rage a virtue. One person got terribly red in the face and positively outraged as I ticked off the evidence once—he asked me now—that global-warming aka climate-change was a fraud. His mother and his religion had been insulted.
    ….
    That young man is now teaching in the public elementary schools in Madison, WI. PIty the poor children. In another decade, all the more, pity us.

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  • He’s just paraphrasing a guy born in the 60s.
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    The 1860s.
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    “Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to a garage makes you an automobile.”
    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/27312-going-to-church-doesn-t-make-you-a-christian-any-more

  • Steve Phoenix-
    the kids are unlikely to be any worse than the guy you talked to; he’s just copying the 60s era teachers that he had, who were most likely the only ones who acted like it was good for him to share the same views.
    Those of us who did not and do not agree with those teachers learned to shut up about it, unless it’s really worth arguing.
    The guys on the opposite side will abuse you, and the guys who in theory agree with you tend to be nasty because you haven’t been on their side since before you were born. The philosophical evangelism on the right sucks. Some of us will agree anyways, because it’s right, but we’re sure as heck not going to speak up on the subject even when politely possible unless we think it’s important enough to risk the scolds.

  • Foxfire, Billy Sunday was a Protestant – a Protester against the Church in which He refused to believe. To be a Christian is to be baptized into the visible Church, the Body of Christ. How ironic that a man whose surname was Sunday could not understand this.

  • A guy that i once knew well, when we were discussing going to Church on Sunday, came out with that statement, claiming he was a “good” Presbyterian, but didn’t need to go the Church..

    A couple of years later, he started an affair with his best friend’s wife, which I think is ongoing.

    I guess he thinks being a good christian is “by sharing the lerv”- in a manner of speaking. 😉

  • LQC-
    I rather guessed. Just was *sure* I’d heard that “going to Church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to (place) makes you a (think usually found in that place)” line before. I was betting it was from the 60s, since it sounded like a usual hippy-dippy philosophy.
    I was only off by something like half a century……

  • @Don the Kiwi.

    The guy you once knew is everywhere these days. Clones? Maybe, but I’m sure it’s the taco sauce. Cheeky bastards.

  • I’ve heard the sort of remark attributed to pop-idol Bieber before from Protestants, especially ones who despise those they call “Churchians”. (I remind these separated brethren that Jesus did not leave us a book, he left us a Church–one that He promised the Gates of Hell cannot prevail against. I borrowed that from Steve Ray. It really messes with sola scriptura heads.)

Obama Forward!

Sunday, September 30, AD 2012

For only $25.00 you too can have from the official Obama campaign store a portrait of Fearless Leader with his campaign slogan Forward!   Sheesh!  If the Obama campaign must steal  a Nazi slogan, the least they could do is come up with an updated version of the old Hitler Jugend Vorwarts! Vorwarts!

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  • Likely Das Obama stole it from Chairman Mao.

    “Most characteristic of this preaching [of the Great Leap Forward] was its utopianism, the promise of a bright future just in the offing, “three years of suffering leading to a thousand years of happiness.” — Franz Schurmann writing in Ideology and Organization in Communist China

    The parallels don’t end with “Vorwart!”, N.B., “three years of suffering leading to a thousand years of happiness.”

    Reality: three years and nine months of misery leading to far more misery.

  • Oh my goodness, coming from a country dealing with socialism propaganda, that poster really freaks me out. May Our Lady help us.

  • The eagle, the creature of St. John the Evangelist and the symbol for the swiftness of Divine Justice flies over the youth core in Hitler’s film. The blood of innocence flows in the O of “forward”. The red ink of debt to fund vice and murder flows in the O of “forward”. Into the red ink of debt and the blood of innocence, the world, led by Obama, sinks into the abyss of the O of forward as Donald McClarey says. The blind leading the blind, both fall into the pit. Obama is not sustained by virtue, nor by angelic love for God, nor by moral compassion, nor by innocence, nor by truth, nor by God. God is removed from our culture. Obama commands the forward removal of God, into the Red Sea of debt and innocent blood.

  • Unfortunately, both Der Fuehrer and Derbama stole the slogan from Wisconsin, my home state. Rumor has it there are petitions floating to rescind the Badger State’s. But that would be only to cave. We won’t.

  • FORWARD TO WISCONSIN needs to be flaunted

  • 1st John 2:18-19

    18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Many Antichrists: Robespierre, Napolean, Calles, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Obama, etc. Nebuchdnezzer was made to eat grass on all fours like an ox for arrogance such as this. It’s all in Daniel chapter 4.

Environmentalist Proponents Jump The Shark

Friday, October 1, AD 2010

An environmental confederation in the UK got the talented screenwriter Richard Curtis to produce a short film, ironically called No Pressure, for the 10:10 campaign, an effort to remind people to do their part in reducing carbon emission 10% by 2010 AD.

Unfortunately for the environmental movement the film backfired because it reinforced the image that beneath the surface environmentalists will do anything once in power to make it compulsory to follow their vision for the future, which includes violence.

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  • ++ Pretty hilarious. I was sure it was some kind of comedic jujitsu, an anti-enviro-mental send-up. It’s not available at 1010’s website which made me more suspicious. But Richard Curtis’ wikipedia entry says that he in fact did make the video in support of the group, but they had to take it down from their website because of outrage over its gory “no pressure” message.
    ++ Either way, great comedy always has an element of believability – you just know the enviro-mentals secretly wouldn’t mind the rest of us disappearing in a pink cloud of goo.

  • Thomas,

    I can’t believe it got past the writing stage!

    These guys live in a world of their own.

  • I cannot fathom how anyone with the 10:10 campaign could possibly have believed that this ad would have benefited their cause.

  • I was shocked that it was that bad…that’s unbelievable.

  • Maybe Curtis watched Monty Python’s “How Not To Be Seen” video a few times too many?

  • Elaine: The MP videos are very funny, but that is because they are not espousing any particular political viewpoint. So I (or anyone) can simply accept them as absurd.

    Showing children and employees and soccer players blown up because they do not subscribe to a particular political philosophy moves the 10:10 video into a universe of its’ own. The Python skit was a lark – this commercial descends into radical evil. The message is: “Conform or be killed.” Lovely. I have no problem imagining the teacher hectoring the students to believe in the importance of one child per couple (for the environment, dontcha know!). A couple of children object and are blown up.

    This illustrates liberal fascism better than Jonah Goldberg’s book does.

  • That’s horrifying. How could anyone but a psychopath find that funny?

    It’s worth a look though (for adults who have been forewarned) because I think it gives us a glimpse into the mind of the film’s producer and undoubtedly the minds of eco-fascists in general. They hate humanity.

  • You gotta admit that this is much more efficient than what the Nazis had going on. To these 10:10 people the real travesty of Auschwitz was its unspeakably huge carbon footprint.

  • You gotta admit that this is much more efficient than what the Nazis had going on.

    Yeah, the device used to blow up dissenters just magically knows who the naysayers are.

    To these 10:10 people the real travesty of Auschwitz was its unspeakably huge carbon footprint.

    Well, in all fairness, the Nazis did “recycle” hair, gold teeth, and skin. That should win them some points among the 10:10 crowd.

  • Pretty darn passive-aggressive, if you ask me.

  • I agree that 10:10 is infinitely more offensive and less funny than “How Not To Be Seen”. At least Monty Python had the good sense not to show their victims’ blood and vital organs splattering everywhere in graphic and stomach-churning fashion. However, I cannot help but wonder if the 10:10 creators weren’t, shall we say, “inspired” by Monty Python but took the premise way too far.

  • Remix time!

  • In the 21st century Environmentalism and radical Islam are what the Communists and Nazis were for the 20th century.

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Make Mine Freedom

Sunday, April 5, AD 2009

Darwin’s Progaganda Post has inspired me to post Make Mine Freedom, a cautionary tale from 1948 of what can happen when people exchange freedom for promises of endless government largesse.  Interesting now as a cultural artifact from the forties, I think it also makes fairly shrewd observations of how different segments of society can be quite willing to make a faustian bargain with government if the promises made by snakeoil salesmen running for office are grandiose enough.  Obviously anti-Communist and pro-capitalist propaganda it does tell one glaring truth:  the bigger the government the smaller the freedom over the long run.

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  • It’s amusing that you believe in less government in the name of “freedom” (so do I) but that you also believe capitalism is the way to “freedom.”

  • Yep, Catholic Anarchist, I believe that without economic freedom all other freedoms are eventually endangered. I am continually amused by those on the Left who see no problem when the government controls the economy. The power of government combined with control of the economy is completely inimical to freedom as I think history amply demonstrates. Since you are an anarchist I am uncertain just what you believe in regard to economic control and government since I believe there is a broad spectrum of beliefs on that subject among the different schools of anarchists. Since you mix anarchy and Catholicism no doubt your beliefs on the subject are largely sui generis.

  • Michael I.,

    How are you enjoying the People’s Republic of Canada?

  • Who said “capitalism” is the way to freedom? I don’t recall ever seeing such an opinion.

  • Matt – Donald just expressed such an opinion.

    Donald – As an anarchist, I too am in favor of economic freedom. But in our tradition, capitalism is seen as the direct opposite of economic freedom, despite the claims of capitalists, the mythology that you fall for. Capitalism is not about economic freedom, but economic totalitarianism.

    Tito – Better watch it. Donald is all about deleting “off topic” comments. Although, of course, the rules do not apply to all commenters so I figure you’ll be allowed to get away with whatever your tiny little heart desires.

  • Michael,

    I approved the comment, but wish you’d lay off the snark. Donald may un-approve it as he wishes (and delete this comment if he does so).

    I’m interested in the idea that capitalism is the exact opposite of economic freedom. Is the idea that the absolute protection of individual rights tends to result in a high concentration of wealth in few hands, thus resulting in some sort of net loss of freedom?

  • Off topic?

    So Canada’s “Human Rights Commission” doesn’t limit freedom?

    Are under a gag order?

  • Tito,

    unquestionably.

  • Actually Catholic Anarchist I do not delete comments made by fellow contributors to this blog. Unlike you who is a guest here purely by my sufferance, they have as much right to the blog as I do.

    I would appreciate specific historical examples of the type of economic system you would replace capitalism with. I would also appreciate evidence as to the economic performance of the examples you cite. I hope your examples do not include some of what occurred in the Spanish Civil War as I know enough about that savage period in human history to be completely unconvinced by anything done by the anarchists during that blood-stained interlude. However, make your case as you wish.

    As to capitalism being in your phrase “economic totalitarianism” I would ask that you give specific examples as to how capitalism in this country is “economic totalitarianism”.

    This is your big chance Catholic Anarchist to make your point on one of my threads. Please don’t blow it by personal insults or off-topic wanderings.

  • Is the idea that the absolute protection of individual rights tends to result in a high concentration of wealth in few hands, thus resulting in some sort of net loss of freedom?

    Not “tends to,” but rather capitalism requires such concentrations of wealth. Absolute protection of “individual rights” is pure liberalism. I am interested in wholeness of community, which is a more Catholic approach to economic life, not economic totalitarianism under the ideological guise of “individual rights.”

    I would appreciate specific historical examples of the type of economic system you would replace capitalism with. I would also appreciate evidence as to the economic performance of the examples you cite.

    Why the hell would anyone be interested in using historical examples as models for economic life if one is serious about Christianity?

    As to capitalism being in your phrase “economic totalitarianism” I would ask that give specific examples as to how capitalism in this country is economic totalitarianism.

    Appalachian coal fields are a perfect example.

  • “Why the hell would anyone be interested in using historical examples as models for economic life if one is serious about Christianity?”

    I can therfore assume that you have none?

    “Appalachian coal fields are a perfect example.”

    Miners are today rounded up at gun point and forced into the mines? Measures are taken to prevent businesses from being formed on whatever basis of organization the creators wish to implement?

    Catholic Anarchist, all snarkiness on my part aside, I am giving you an opportunity here. Give me concrete examples from history of how your type of economic system would perform in the real world. How it would make people in general wealthier, and meet their material needs in a fashion superior to capitalism. It is not enough to critique a system Catholic Anarchist. Convince me and the people reading this thread that your way has been tried and been successful.

  • I can therfore (sic) assume that you have none?

    There are all kinds of examples, but I know that what you are looking for is some kind of alternative “system” that has succeeded. I cannot provide an example of the kind of “system” that would satisfy your requirements. Anything example that I would cite would not get you hot and bothered, so it’s useless to cite anything.

    Miners are today rounded up at gun point and forced into the mines?

    Not that I am aware of. But violence is routine, not only in the coal fields, but all over the world whenever anyone questions the capitalist order. Have you not been paying attention?

    Measures are taken to prevent businesses from being formed on whatever basis of organization the creators wish to implement?

    What does this even mean?

    Give me concrete examples from history of how your type of economic system would perform in the real world.

    I don’t have one “type” of economic system. I have the Gospel of the Kingdom which critiques any existing system. If only you would be willing to critique the status quo in light of the Gospel. But yours is a disembodied, “spiritualist” Gospel with no teeth. It’s an irrelevant “gospel,” and that is no Good News at all.

    It is not enough to critique a system Catholic Anarchist.

    Indeed!

    Convince me and the people reading this thread that your way has been tried and been successful.

    My “way” is an economy based on sharing, solidarity, true charity, egalitarianism, etc. as in the spirit and vision of the Catholic Worker. It has not been sufficiently tried. I doubt that it would be any less “successful” (whatever that even means to you) than any other system you might have in mind. In fact, I know that human beings will fall short of the Kingdom no matter what. But nevertheless, we must try to make a system in which it is easier for people to be good, as Day and Maurin taught us.

    What does a “successful” economic system look like in YOUR mind, anyway, Donnie?

  • “But violence is routine, not only in the coal fields, but all over the world whenever anyone questions the capitalist order. Have you not been paying attention?”

    I am well aware Catholic Anarchist of violence between labor and management on both sides in this country. I am also aware of courts where both labor and management can, and do, pursue various legal remedies after such violence. Not to mention the political arena where both sides can attempt to pass laws. We are not back in the days of Joe Hill.

    “Measures are taken to prevent businesses from being formed on whatever basis of organization the creators wish to implement?

    What does this even mean?”

    One of the glories of our system Catholic Anarchist. You want to start a business along anarchist lines? Go right ahead. I have known businesses operating along every form of management devised by man. Unless your form of economics depends upon government coercion, you can put your money down with others and show us how anarchy can work in an enterprise. You are free to do so.

    “It’s an irrelevant “gospel,” and that is no Good News at all.”

    Your key problem Catholic Anarchist is that you confuse your politics with the Gospels. Christianity does not fit into any neat political or economic box. Many Jews sought a militant Messiah at the time of Christ to lead them against Rome. Jesus resolutely refused to oblige them. Jesus condemned greed but he refused to act as Judge between individuals squabbling over an estate. 2000 years of Christian history refute your notion that true Christianity is limited to your ideological predilections.

  • “Donnie”? I didn’t know we are kin Catholic Anarchist! At my office my secretaries know when a relative of mine is calling from my hometown since they are the only people that call me Donnie! Call me what you will “cousin” Catholic Anarchist!

    A successful economic system is one which produces the greatest prosperity for the greatest number of people. Hands down that is capitalism under a system of law that can enforce contracts. I do not rely on theory for this statement. I rely simply on the historical record. If someone can demonstrate to me a system that performs better, I will alter my opinion. I make no claim that capitalism is a perfect system, merely the least imperfect of all the economic systems that have been attempted on this globe.

  • Make mine freedom, too Donnie! [kiss]

Propaganda

Sunday, April 5, AD 2009

Various sides of our modern political spectrum often thrown around the term “propaganda”. I’ve had it explained to me by those on both the far left and far right that our news media is nothing but propaganda. In the process, we perhaps forget what real propaganda looks like. While looking up vintage Donald Duck cartoons for the kids, I ran across this little gem about the importance of paying your taxes. (The IRS did not yet have the power to do withholding during WW2, and so government revenues relied upon people actually handing over money to the government at intervals through the year.)

Of course, this is incredibly mild compared to the propaganda put out by communist and fascist regimes during the 30s and 40s. But next time someone tells you that the Bush era was dominated by knee jerk patriotism and propaganda, consider the FDR era by comparison.

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  • Save for Texas!

    I know, Donald Duck said save for taxes.

    There is a stark difference between what ‘W’ was accussed of doing and what real propaganda looks like (albeit a mild form).

  • Remember, Papa Stalin with his Gremlins from the Kremlin will beat Hitler to a pulp!

  • Ah yes, that was a classic. My daughters went around singing, “We are Russian gremlins,” for days after seeing that one.

  • There is a stark difference between what ‘W’ was accussed of doing and what real propaganda looks like (albeit a mild form).

    Tito, can you explain what the difference is, precisely? And I mean YOU, not you waiting around for someone else to explain it and then you saying “what he said.”

  • When the vast majority of [congressional] democrats voted for the war [in Iraq] with the same information that Bush received from intelligence [reports].

    Then after the fact these same democrats claim they were hoodwinked, even though they received the same intelligence [reports].

    What he will say.

  • Michael I.

    The Iraq war.

    What he will say.

  • How I wish everyone still had to save up the money for their taxes as the self employed do. Yesterday I had the annual ritual of sending off a rather large lump sum check to the IRS after spending most of the day preparing my tax returns and wrestling with fairly arcane provisions in the tax code. A pleasant way to spend the day, right up there with root canal work. Of course this goes hand in hand with my long expressed desire that election day be held on April 15. With Congress having just passed a 3.5 trillion dollar budget, I imagine quite a few Americans will be having a much closer relationship with the IRS as taxes go through the roof eventually to pay for this folly. I can imagine the type of Donald Duck cartoons Walt the conservative would be making now if he was still with us!

  • Withholding is doubtless the most insidious tool for growing government ever devised.

  • I’d rank withholding a distant second to Communist revolutions myself, but I agree it’s insidious.

  • And I guess the divine right of kings was pretty good in its day too, eh?

    Perhaps I can reformulate: the most insidious tool for the growth of government which has ever been implemented in our country.

  • Tito, once more: can you explain what the difference is, precisely?

  • Michael,

    I don’t see that Tito owes you an explanation of how there is an order of magnitude difference between New Deal and WW2 era propaganda and anything that the recent Bush administration did. It’s a fairly obvious claim.

    If you want one or two examples, however:

    As during WW1, the government very explicitly told the entertainment industry what was expected of it, and made it clear there would be consequences if the proper message was not put out. No such thing happened during the last eight years.

    Again as in WW1, WW2 propaganda relied heavily upon negative stereotypes (the Jap, the Hun) which were applied with a broad brush. This was in keeping with the idea of total war in which civilian activities and industrial work were seen as being just as much a part of the war effort and fighting. By contract, in the Iraq and Afghan wars the government constantly made it clear that our issue was not with Iraqis and Afghans in general, or Arabs in general, or Muslims in general. Some of the more feisty right wing figures complained extensively about how many times Bush referred to Islam as “a religion of peace”. This is not to say that no one used distancing stereotypes, it’s a very natural reaction during war to characterize the other, but there was a huge difference in the sort of tone which the government and entertainment establishment tried to put out compared to during the Great War and WW2.

    Overall, I think those differences are positive.

  • Ah, now, let me guess… Tito will chime in, saying “what he said.”

    I think you over-emphasize the differences. The u.s. dove into a pattern of propagandizing during the world wars, one that has continued ever since, up to and including the Obama administration. I think emphasizing the Bush administration’s use of propaganda, too, over other uses of propaganda since WWII (Clinton’s constant invocation of the black, single, lazy, welfare-receiving mother image, for example) is a bad move as well. But there is no doubt that the Bush administration has used propaganda and lies. u.s. propaganda has become more subtle, and no longer requires direct orders from Washington to Hollywood, but the propaganda is just as real and just as deadly.