Cultural Rot

Wednesday, September 29, AD 2010

My wife and I often joke that we are going to raise our children Amish so as to shield them from our depraved culture.  We jest, but there’s a sliver of truth in our jesting.  And of course  Donald has written a series of excellent posts here at TAC on the signs of our cultural decay.

It’s not exactly a newsflash when a bunch of cranky bloggers at a website called the American Catholic bemoan our hedonistic culture.  But when others of a less socially conservative bent join the fray you know that things may have reached a breaking point.

Ace of Spades is a conservative blog, though one that tends to a certain amount of, err, frivolity with regards to cultural matters.  I don’t think Ace deviates from most social conservatives on the core issues, but you wouldn’t necessarily expect a rant like this one a site like his.  But Ace completely lays into the singer Katy Perry and the awful message that she spreads to our youth.

Ace posts the lyrics to one of Perry’s new songs:

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  • I agree. But sex sells. And, in my opinion, the hyper-sexualization of our young at the hands of the entertainment and media and clothing industries is but one facet of the growing branding and corporatization of children, which starts at a very young age. (Cf: this excellent article: http://www.truth-out.org/040309J)

    I actually think that this is an issue in which social conservatives have more in common with traditional leftists (not liberal democrats, mind you) than either have in common with liberalism, properly understood.

  • It is interesting to note that most states have laws against “contributing to the delinquency of minors” and this appears to be directed towards minors whereas other media/advertising/music/speach can claim it is not directly targeting minors so they are not contributing. This type of stuff will never be removed from the public area but at least we/the public can express our dislike/disgust with it.

  • Kate Perry is a Calvinist choir girl compared to Brittany Spears. Perhaps BS is her role model.

  • Yeah, but she seems to be doing everything she can think of to slouch toward Brittany-dom. They have in common that both are of at best modest talents, though I think Katy is the better singer. She’s not good enough to make a career on musical talent alone, however.

    Commenter #67 at Ace of Spades made what I thought a rather adept point:

    “Why do leftists think that the best way to ensure sexual freedom is to encourage people to engage in sex that is risky and self destructive?

    That would be like the NRA promoting the second amendment by encouraging people to start shooting at everything.”

  • The link Henry provides is revealing. Both Perry & Gaga have roots as more demure singers-but they didn’t have success and altered themselves (choosing hyper-sexual personas in order to sell records). It really throws into question whether practicing Christians can succeed in the mass media-and if not, why do Christians continue to indulge in that media?

  • As much as I am generally critical of mass media and Hollywood, I do think Christians can succeed there. What is tougher is succeeding when the art form is an explicitly Christian one. Eventually, a so-called “Christian artist” is pigeon holed into an unsatisfactory limited market and decides he needs to change his image. Doing that with effectiveness may require doing a 180. The bottom line is that I think it should be perfectly possible to be a mass media artist who is also a committed Christian, but it is much harder to be a so-called “Christian artist.”

  • I guess it depends on what you define as success. Certainly specifically Christian artists – be they music, literary, or other – won’t be sell as much as secular artists, but I suspect that one can still have a relatively successful living as one.

  • Certainly specifically Christian artists – be they music, literary, or other – won’t be sell as much as secular artists, but I suspect that one can still have a relatively successful living as one.

    That’s certainly true, but a lot of them are artistically compromised by the ‘Christian music’ industry. They can’t explore new ground outside of the kids-in-youth-group/forty-something-mom demographics without losing their record deals, and this has a predictable effect on the quality of the music they produce (it’s generally boring, predictable, and formulaic).

    It’s certainly riskier and more difficult for bands composed of Christians to try and make music outside of the CCM industry, but I think those that do make much better music (even if they have less success without the captive CCM youth group audience). And, of course, there are bands like U2 which show that Christian musicians can be successful if they are really good at their craft.

  • I agree, Paul, but such artists must live not only accept far less pay they must also live with not being taken seriously by much of the artistic community. For instance, in general serious followers of rock music do not think highly of so-called Christian rock bands, even if those followers are themselves seriously Christian. Much of this reputation disparity may not be deserved, but no doubt the disparity is difficult for ambitious artists to live with. To be fair, many Christian rock bands probably couldn’t be successful in the broader market, but some certainly could if they abandoned their Christian-focused art. The fact that so many of these groups nonetheless continue as Christian artists is testimony to their faith and commitment.
    Finally, I would note that the best Christian artists are those whose Christian artistry is not very explicit. Think Graham Greene or Flannery O’Connor. There creative works would not have been as successful if they had been more explicitly Christian. When the art form is explicitly Christian it usually suffers from being not all that interesting.

  • John Henry’s response was superior to mine. I hereby incorporate it by reference, with credit of course. 😉

  • I had the same thought in reverse, Mike. The Flannery O’Connor and Graham Greene point is a very useful comparison. In literature, as in music, there are ghettos; honest art that is well done can usually win a hearing.

  • John, Henry, Paul, etc.

    I think those are good examples. I tend to agree with the idea that most explicitly Christian music/movies tend to be very formulaic and not so good (though there are exceptions). Indeed, Tolkien thought this to be almost a rule, which is why he despised Narnia.

    But I think that for a Christian artist, even one not advertising as “Christian,” the bar is higher for success. They have to be great. Whereas, if one is secular, the bar is lower (Perry, gaga, spears-no one, I hope, will be listening to their music in a hundred years).

  • I think part of it is what art is. Granted I’m speaking in large part from my own tastes in rock, but I think the type of music that rock is is better suited for lyrics dealing with conflict, pain, and the more base emotions. I simply can’t see suitable and lofty lyrics about God fitting into that format. It may simply be because they can’t. I know people try to, but their lack of mainstream success may point to this disconnect.

  • A distinction should be drawn between musicians who are Christian and musicians who make “Christian music” i.e. where all the songs are about Christianity. The latter is of course going to be limiting. I can see how the former would be the source of lots of temptations, but unless you’re a teenage girl singing pop music I don’t see being a Christian as being very hampering to one’s success.

  • “It really throws into question whether practicing Christians can succeed in the mass media-and if not, why do Christians continue to indulge in that media?”

    Well, a few acts come to mind–Switchfoot and P.O.D., for example. To paraphrase what I said earlier, one can build a career on talent rather than shock value–if one has some. And Amen to the literary examples–I think writers/artists whose worldview permeates their work rather than sitting on the surface are actually more compelling.

    But the link which Henry so helpfully provided us has me thinking: is little Katy a living example of what is wrong with Sola Fide? She claims to believe in Jesus (also space aliens) but doesn’t seem to wrap her mind around the concept that that belief places responsibility on her.

    And–oh, my goodness–I had to look it up–she is a middle child. Suddenly, everything falls into place.

  • One little funny anecdote before I get to my comment. As I was getting out of the Metro, what do I see but a poster for Saw – 3D. Fitting.

    Anyway, good points by all. I think it’s worth pointing out that it would be an improvement just to have art that simply isn’t hostile to traditional morality, and I don’t think one has to be an overtly Christian artist in order to produce a message that is at least not offensive to traditional mores. For example, U2 is widely successful and I can’t think of anything in their collection that I’d have to shield my child from – unless you think “Elevation” is not subtle enough. They’re but one example, but my point is that I’m not necessarily looking for specifically Christian-themed stuff (though that’s a plus), but it would be nice if most of pop culture didn’t seem to preach a message antithetical to what I hold dear.

    It’s also worth emphasizing that acts like Katy Perry target a young audience. As Ace points out it’s not that she’s an adult artist who kids happen to like. She intentionally markets herself to young girls and is teaching them that it’s okay to throw all morals aside in pursuit of living the “teenage dream.”

  • I could watch this video over and over and over again…

    LOL. ->just kidding

  • No, Jasper, I think you mean the Cleverly Trio’s version:

  • Uh…y’all aren’t gonna ban me for that, are you?

  • Some interesting pop culture perspectives by none other than Alice Cooper — yes, THE Alice Cooper, who also is a born-again Christian:

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=12960

    “He no longer performs some of his older repertoire. Any song promoting promiscuous sex and drinking “gets the axe,” he said. “I’m very careful about what the lyrics are. I tried to write songs that were equally as good, only with a better message.”

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/alice.cooper.opens.christian.recreation.centre.for.troubled.kids/7124.htm

    “Speaking about the value of boundaries for kids, he (Cooper) said: “Kids love boundaries. We used to fight against them. But in all reality, what we really did want was to know where we could go.”

  • “Uh…y’all aren’t gonna ban me for that, are you?”

    Nah, cminor, if we’ll tolerate ABBA, it will take more than that! 🙂

  • Henry’s link reminded me of a Katy Hudson story (before she was Katy Perry) I linked to on the Catholic Report a couple of years ago. It was an archived story in which the reviewer was saying she would be the next great Christian singer. The Christian music scene sputtered and she took road too often traveled.
    http://www.thefish.com/music/reviews/11618329/Katy-Hudson/

    The difference between her and Alice Cooper which Elaine excellently alludes to is that Alice had a lot of right and wrong drilled into him. Eventually he realized the lessons from his youth and went back to them (though Alice’s faults often lie with his blood and gore stage shows, rather than with pomiscuity in his lyrics.) It sounds like Katy’s religious background was not as structured as Alice Cooper’s was. I wonder if the old “I am saved mentality” truly makes some people think they can backslide and do just about anything and still make it to heaven, no questions asked. It would appear that these folks left Matthew 7:21-23 out of their Bibles.

  • Nah, cminor, if we’ll tolerate ABBA, it will take more than that!

    What’s wrong with ABBA?

    🙂

  • Ditto with ABBA, Tito!

    Don just has a slight hang up there, but his excellent taste in classical music
    offsets that.

  • RL:
    For content, or musical style?:-)

  • Remember the Diana Ross and the Supremes song “Love Child?” A woman insists on waiting for marriage because she knows the shame of being an illegitimate child and does not want any child of hers to bear the same stigma. My, how quaint. What “progress” we’ve made in 40 years.

    Elaine: I knew Cooper was a preacher’s son, but didn’t realize he had returned to Christianity. I wasn’t crazy about his music when I was a teen, but I always liked him for doing stuff like being on Hollywood Squares and for making it very clear that the on-stage, rather scary “Alice” character was only a character. The off-stage Alice was always quite open about being a rather amiable “square” sort of fellow who voted Republican and liked to golf – with Barry Goldwater.

  • Donna V & Elaine,

    When I lived in Phoenix (where Mr. Cooper resides) Alice Cooper was a prominent pillar of the community. It was made clear he was a family man and he held strong conservative values. The people of Phoenix loved him for that.

    And yes, his onstage persona was only a character.

    He seemed genuine to me.

Genius, Weird Al Yankovic

Monday, September 6, AD 2010

That is a word that many music entertainers use to describe “Weird Al” Yankovic.

All of the songs that Weird Al parodies he gets approval for.  In fact after the Coolio controversy about his “Amish Paradise” music video he now makes sure he speaks with the music entertainer directly before he proceeds in the production of any new venture.

Weird Al also parodies music styles, ie, pastiche, in addition to pop music hits.

In another cult classic which is a rare original from Weird Al, he pokes fun at the pop music group Devo and their brand of music which is New Wave.

Shortly after the song was released, Weird Al received a letter from the lead singer of Devo, Mark Mothersbaugh, congratulating him on writing “the perfect Devo song”.  He has also said that the song is “beautiful … and I hate him for it, basically.”

An apocryphal story has been recounted where the lead singer of the Talking Heads, David Byrne, said after viewing the video for “Dare To Be Stupid” that Weird Al is a “genius”!

Dare To Be Stupid is the title song of the same album, and in my personal opinion his best album ever.

Enjoy!

[Warning: The following videos are without profane lyrics or any form of nudity.  You may finally realize that you can enjoy “contemporary” or “pop” music without all the vileness that emanates from the black hole that is MTV.]

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Yes, It Is a Weird Al Weekend

Sunday, September 5, AD 2010

I’m coming out of the closet, I’m a “Weird Al” Yankovic fan.  I don’t listen to him much these days, but I do keep up with some of his latest hits like my post from yesterday.

So here are some of his more enjoyable hits that some may not be aware of…

[Warning: The following videos are without profane lyrics or any form of nudity.  You may finally realize that you can enjoy “contemporary” or “pop” music without all the vileness that emanates from the black hole that is MTV.]

In 2006 AD the music video “White & Nerdy” re-introduced “Weird Al” back into the mainstream of American culture.  This video was his first Top 40 single since 1992’s “Smells Like Nirvana”.  It also eclipsed the greatest single he ever had, “Eat It”.

In between those to seminal hits he has been very active releasing albums every other year or so, but this new hit of his re-established himself as an icon of parody videos and clean fun.

“White & Nerdy” is the second single from “Weird Al’s” album Straight Outta Lynwood.  It parodies the song “Ridin'” by Chamillionaire and Krayzie Bone. (OK, I’ll admit it, I have no idea who Chamillionaire and Krayzie Bone are, but that’s what it said in Wikipedia)

This song makes fun of nerds everywhere from Houston, Texas to Springfield, Illinois.   It includes constant references to stereotypically “nerdy” things, such as collecting comic books, playing Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), and editing Wikipedia, as well as stereotypically “white” things, like watching Happy Days and playing ping pong.

Chamillionaire himself put “White & Nerdy” on his official MySpace page, and commented that he enjoys the parody. In an interview, he also stated he was pleasantly surprised by “Weird Al”‘s rapping ability, saying: “He’s actually rapping pretty good on it, it’s crazy … I didn’t know he could rap like that.”

Enjoy the cameo’s, especially from Donny Osmond!

Yes, there are more funny and highly entertaining video’s from Weird Al.  I compiled a short list of his most creative hits.

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Archbishop Fulton Sheen on the Silver Screen

Saturday, July 31, AD 2010

A new documentary on the life of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen will be shown in movie theaters as pre-release screenings.  It will also be available in DVD format (TBD).

A brief synopsis of the film is provided by the distributor (with minor editing):

“Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: Servant of All” is a one-hour documentary that tells the story of Sheen and the tremendous impact he had on individuals, the Catholic community, the American public, and the world. Divided into five main sections, the film uses still images, video footage and interviews with those who knew Sheen to tell the story of this remarkable man, gifted teacher, missionary, priest, and loyal son of the Church.

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  • I ordered the producer’s Small Audience Pack of 10 DVDs and helped host a screening for my Rochester, NY parish.

    There is not much I can add to Sister Burns’ review other than to say that our group really enjoyed this presentation. The content and production values are excellent.

    One slightly amusing incident did occur: When Fr. Jack Whitley, C.S.B. first appeared on the screen both our assistant pastor and myself exclaimed almost simultaneously, “My old English teacher!”

    Fr. Whitley was both an English teacher and the librarian at the Aquinas Institute in Rochester for many years. He is quite a character in his own right and we both had fond memories of him.

Michael Scott Resigns From Dunder Mifflin

Sunday, July 4, AD 2010

Michael Scott, the head sales manager of Dunder Mifflin is calling it quits at the end of the 2011 television season.

The Office is one of the few shows that I enjoy watching because the comedy and writing are top-notch and just as importantly, it isn’t as depraved as most shows on television.

Viewing The Office is like watching elementary school cliques try to behave as adults.  It’s entertaining and sometimes difficult to watch, especially when the Michael Scott character embarrasses himself to the point that I cringe at the tv set.

Regardless, the show will definitely be different without him if they choose to continue, which I hope they do.

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Live Long and Prosper

Friday, April 23, AD 2010

Leonard Nimoy is calling it quits as to any future portrayals of Mr. Spock, and is retiring from show business.

Leonard Nimoy, the actor who has famously portrayed “Star Trek’s” original alien Spock for over 40 years, has announced he’s officially hanging up the pointy Vulcan ears for good. Nimoy, 79, plans to retire shortly from show business and the “Star Trek” convention circuit, according to the Canadian newspaper Toronto Sun.

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As Our Modern, Western Culture Begins To Implode, The Catholic Church Is Our Last, Best Hope

Sunday, January 31, AD 2010

Channel surfing the other night, I came across a slew of 1980s “coming of age” movies on cable television. With all of their flaws (too much sexual innuendo, which is mild by today’s comparisons,) one can easily see a positive theme of a bright future and endless possibilities running through this genre of films. I had almost forgotten that in the 1983 film Valley Girl, Julie played by Deborah Foreman actually chastises her hippy parents for their suggestion that if she and her new boyfriend Randy, played by Nicholas Cage, want to explore their sexuality it would be alright by them.  Julie rebukes her parents for having such beliefs as well as the nostalgia surrounding their involvement in the 1960s anti war movement; after all it was the era of Ronald Reagan. Everything seemed possible; it was Morning in America again. Many of these movies were set in California which at the time exuded excitement for those of us growing up in colder, Midwest climates. Economically, California was booming and it was also the heart of a growing and diverse music scene.

Fast forward some 25+ years later and many of today’s films have a dark undercurrent with more than a little subtle leftwing political and cultural propaganda running through them. While there are certainly hopeful signs in Hollywood, especially with the advent of stars like Eduardo Verastegi and his movie Bella and associated Metanoia Films, (Click here for my interview with Eduardo Verastegui,) the secular film industry has fallen even farther into the cesspool. Sadly the Golden State’s economic boom seems but a distant memory, which was bound to occur when California’s Big Government mentality rivaled that of Sweden or the Canadian province of Quebec. The bigger question remains; is California setting the trend once again for the nation and the western world, and if it is what hope is there? The hope remains as it always has not in mortal man and the latest left wing hypothesis about the world’s failings, but in the teachings of the Catholic Church.

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  • Fulton Sheen said that the time of evil would come upon mankind. Pope John Paul said a great darkness has descended on the earth. And we are living in this age of darkness and evil made transparent . The light of Christ is shining so brightly now that all of mens hearts and actions are coming into the light and being exposed for who and what they are. This is a great time of purification and God is getting ready to move mankind into a very important direction. You are either with Christ or against Him, There will be no middle ground. That is why it seems that it is all imploding but what is really happening is a time of great grace before the time of great judgement!

  • Man, where have I been for not finding your web site earlier – loved every word spoken.

    will be e-mailing you later brother. Praise Christ for you taking a stand and speaking His truth. We are so hungry for JUST the truth. Fr. John Corpie tells it like it is – and there is standing room only when he speaks somewhere. Holy Mother Church needs to feed her sheep – I am so tired of shim milk. Where is the beef that I may feed on the deep things of God.

    God bless brother – Later.

    In Christ,
    Don

Mel Gibson Needs Our Prayers

Wednesday, January 27, AD 2010

Last night I was exercising and flipping through the channels and saw Mel Gibson on the Jay Leno Show- very disturbing stuff.  He joked about having a lot of off-color jokes, he offered up some profanity to quote some girls he ran into while filming in Boston. To top it off he promised Leno that if and when he decides to get married again he would announce it first on Leno’s show.

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  • Very sad. But for the grace of God….

  • Mel Gibson needs prayers and a good kick in the tail. A lot of people looked up to him and he threw it all away for the bottle and a babe. The staging of a ceremony where his crazy father ruled that his first marriage was invalid, was the coup de grace.

    http://deceiver.com/2009/07/31/mel-gibson-annuls-29-year-marriage-through-secret-tribunal/

  • I feel the same way. Mel Gibson has let many people down, himself, his wife and children most of all. I won’t be buying any more movie tickets or watching him act like a dirty old man for the amusement of his waning audience.What’s next–showing up at the Playboy mansion to party with Bill Maher etc? So very sad to see how far he has gone off the deep end. He, his children and his wife very much need our prayers as does the little new life he has brought into the world so carelessly.

  • What’s happened to Mel Gibson is the last year or so is really confusing and disappointing. Maybe some day we’ll get the full story. That said, I can’t imagine a guy like him without spiritual advisors and such that would have tried to talk some sense in to him… or is it all just for show?

    The worst part is that people think he’s Catholic… but how can that be with someone who basically set up his own parish and clearly lives contrary to the Church’s teachings? He might worship in a ‘Catholic fashion’ but I doubt this counts and communion with Rome. All very sad…

    That said I still think he’s one of the most interesting directors working today and I do want to see Edge of Darkness. Go figure.

  • We all know that the Church is supernatural, but this is a reminder of how badly we need the institution on a natural level. If in-laws had the power to annul marriages, how many marriages would be held valid? We need guidance from an objective source. Henry VIII thought he could be perfectly Catholic on his own, and that didn’t work out well either.

  • I concur with everyone’s sentiment about Gibson – I thank him from the bottom of my heart for The Passion, which I think is one of the greatest films ever made. I am also deeply dismayed by his downward spiral, not only as a Catholic, but a traditional Catholic.

    I mean, the odds that we would ever have a man in Hollywood making films from our perspective had to be a million to one. And now this.

    That said, I’m going to see his new movie 🙂

  • These days, I find HOPE to be the most important thing to pray for. These are depressing days.

  • I also concur with all the comments here. Though I caution lumping him with traditional Catholics. I would say he was a sedevacantist or an independent chapel Catholic, but not traditional Catholics.

    With that said I too will be watching his movie!

    🙂

  • It is a real shame about the divorce. He, like all of humanity, is a major disappointment.

    And, even so, The Passion remains an outstanding achievement.

  • Tito, you’ve hit on a pet peeve of mine. There is no such thing as an independent chapel. Either you’re under the authority of the Church (usually a bishop), or you’re in schism. I know that some breakaway groups have called themselves “independent” to distinguish themselves from the SSPX, but schism is schism.

  • Pinky,

    No skin off my back.

    They can call themselves the Purple People Eaters for all I care, they’re still not Catholics with a capitol “C”.

  • I think that the Devil drew a bead on him after the Passion and set out to tear him down in the most dramatic fashion. Sadly, he didn’t (for whatever reason) have (or avail himself of) the resources that could have helped him resist. Thanks for the reminder to pray for him.

  • There are some great comments above. I would just like to say that we have to be careful not to fall into the same trap in which Mel fell. This is in no way to diminish what he did, but Mel must have known his weak areas, the areas the evil one could exploit. We all have them. I heard about some of Mel’s failings a couple of years ago while in Hollywood giving a talk about my book. I didn’t want to believe it and hoped it was some sort of misunderstanding. Sadly, the critics of the Passion are feelings their oats and thus have become more emboldened to tear down the Faith. While we pray for Mel and his family, let us also pray for each other that we too don’t end looking as cartoonishly sinful as Mel has become. It could happen to us all, if we don’t pray, lose our humility and stay faithful.

  • Mad Max is Mel’s best film, hands down.
    I wonder if there is more to this whole Mel Gibson thing for Catholics than meets the eye. Consider: And this may be a bit of a reach… The heresy of Modernism. Pius X called it the culmination of all heresy. Relativism and Sentimentalism are two wide spread belief ‘systems’, ‘orientations’ or ‘perspectives’ that clearly fall under Modernism as verifiable heresy yet they are nearly unknown or unrecognized in western Catholic circles. The Sedavacantists have fallen prey to relativism as if the experience of Jesus is a subjective experience, versus meeting TRUTH. And the Sentimentalism of Jim Cavezel and his Mejougorja connection – ‘i feel the presence’ versus ‘I am present in front of the Tabernacle. I think Mel is simply an actor and his life has always been a bit of a tragic comedy. Is it just me? I think an honest man would have to admit that we all are the son that never left the farm and that Mel will always be the Prodigal son, wondering his way home.
    They say if you really want to see Mel as himself, watch the movie ‘conspiracy theory’

  • I was always puzzled by conservative Catholics who held this sedevacantist up as a model Catholic.

  • Seeing his failings, I have been tempted to mock but I wonder how easy it is to trip and fall away from the catholic ideal. Once the fall begin and the darkness surround us we become incapable to discern what is going on. So, pray for him, humbly, and pray for all the brothers and sisters who fall each day, maybe one day they will be the one praying for you.

  • To restraindradical
    Regarding sedevacantists. I have found them all a fascinating bunch overall. Coming from hard corp ultra-lefty katholic boston – The novelty of talking to them I find brings me great joy.
    Incidentally, i never refer to my self as a conservative catholic, rather I am orthodox in my belief and follow the magisterium to the letter. Honestly I find it much more reasonable to believe that the seat of Peter is currently vacant, than to believe that a woman’s choice trumps a babies life or that relationships based on dirty habits should be elevated to ‘marriage’. Both these social dysfunctions have been elevated to quite near dogmatic teaching in katholic Boston. Mel Gibson deserves legend status – His alcoholic escapades have landed less lucky men in jails and homeless shelters. God has given him herculean grace. Consider; Direct and produce “The Passion” and bring the term “sedacavantist” into the vernacular are accomplishments fitting of a Bishop. For sure he is an Alcoholic goofball but he is also an odd poster child for the plight of Catholic manhood…at least mine anyway…

  • RR – I’ve often heard celebrities talk about the Faith and get parts wrong because they’re not well-catechized. Heck, never mind celebrities, you hear that stuff from people from all walks of life.

    I didn’t know much about Mel Gibson, but I figured that he had a large family, and talked about his faith, and didn’t cheat on his wife, and even made a movie about Jesus. Good for him. If he said a few things that didn’t reflect a proper understanding of Catholicism, I’ve probably heard just as bad from priests. I didn’t realize that he’d really bought into the whole sedevacantist thing, and didn’t know about his other failures.

  • I was disapproving of Gibson’s turn to the violent in the film that was about the Mayan’s (Apocalypto). It was definitely a lurid fascination with evil violence.
    Gibson also EXAGGERATED the whipping scene in the Passion, contrary to known facts, and was superficial in the Gethsemani scene (where spiritual suffering was greater than the physical torture). It was almost as if the demons wished to snare Gibson for making the Passion by detecting a weakness they could exploit. Another weakness which one can note is personal vanity. Henry VIII was ruined by that kind of pride gradually taking over his life, and one can see similar symptoms in Gibson. Now he’s trapped and seems to know it and doesn’t seem to know how to solve it!
    The separatist spirit of schismatics may be the error that brought him to decide his Catholic marriage was conveniently invalid. Again, hints of Henry VIII!

  • I think Apocalypto was far too mild. The culture depicted celebrated human sacrifice. In Abortion-nation we have made believe since roe v wade that abortion is something that it isn’t. At least the Mayan’s were honest pagans.

  • I totally agree with restrainedradical. I followed the development and production of “The Passion” even when it was considered an underdog that might never see the big screen and I was definitely pulling for Gibson, Caviezel, et al. It was a pretty good movie for illustrating the suffering endured by Christ. It was not sufficient for communicating the Gospel, in my opinion.

    Back to the point: Mel Gibson’s well-known rejection of the Papacy ensured that I would not trust him wholly. I tried to tell people that we should pray for his conversion or he could disappoint us. The spiritual warfare he endured must have been horrific.

    If he repents, I think he needs to retire to a private life, as it is obvious that celebrity kills souls.

    First Bud MacFarlane, Jr. and now this. It’s unfortunate. We need to pray hard for Jim Caviezel just in case.

  • Anyone who saw Gibson’s interview with Raymond Arroyo during filming of the “Passion” should have seen the man was headed for a big crash. But, apparently, he had so isolated himself within his own version of Catholicism that he had no mentor, no father-confessor who could pull him back from the brink. You don’t pour that kind of energy into that serious of a work and not have personal blow-back *unless* you are prepared and surrounded by those who will keep you from crashing.

    You can see the same sort of scenario with someone who has nursed a spouse or close family member through a serious disease such as cancer. Once you get through it and the pressure lets off . . .

    Kamilla

  • I concur. The devil is having a field day with him. Take down Mel and you take a lot of people with him via confusion, dissapointment, disgust, etc. Excellent that you should remind us to pray for him. The wife should have never divorced him. (such an easy off the hook for guys) Poor thing, she played right into that. Don’t misunderstand;I would be furious,too. But see, the devil is smarter than we are. If you LIVE THE GOSPEL, which is, if you TAKE CHRIST’S advice…you will not lose. Go it on your own ie divorcing him, that was NOT what Christ wanted her to do; she played right into the devil’s hand and then of course, Mel is in no condition to be running the show right now and a man isn’t going to want to be alone..hence, the foreign chick. Let us pray for him and hit the devil where it hurts !

  • I agree with leanne———–he needs our prayers!

  • Yes, Mel needs our prayers (this devil an be cast out only by prayer and fasting). John Edwards (pro-abortion creep) also needs prayers. After cheating on his dying wife, he too has gone out of control sexually. I think Tiger Woods might be trying to save his marriage but I don’t know. I agree the devil wants to “get back at Gibson for his film. But for the grace of God, there go I.

  • After seeing Mel’s answers to Diane Sawyer about The Passion, I never expected this. It is truly shocking.

    However, Mel has long been conflicted–as if anything goes in art. Braveheart is a masterpiece, but there was no need for him to get naked with an actress in this film or any other flick. And his Icon Productions distributes a lot of crap.

    I like Jim’s attitude. All these men are gifted, I just hope they come around to Christ and use their talents to lead others to heaven. God help them and all of us.

  • You see his latest interview? Looks like he’s drinking again.

  • I couldn’t finish watching it.

    He certainly needs God grace now more than ever.

  • Mel Gibson is the only one who could play Severian. Mel Gibson for Severian.

  • That would make for an interesting movie.

    You are referring to Chrysostom’s antagonist right?

  • Being a recovering alcoholic and Christian I can identify so much with my Catholic brother Mel.
    The person I was when I drank was often rude and disgusting.
    The sober person I was before I had my wonderful encounter with a Loving & Forgiving Savior could also be harsh & judgmental.
    The kindness and gentleness that define me these days can only be maintained by continual relation with Christ. If I slip up and begin to drink again, or forsake the relationship I have with our Lord,will probably take me back into the people I was before.
    Brother Mel needs our prayers so that he may be able to to return to the Lord in fellowship and sobriety.
    I look forward to the day when he will again be a wonderful witness for Christianity.

  • Recently I read that Mel suffered from Bipolar Disorder in addition to being an alcoholic.

    After just having read Bud Macfarlane’s three novels, I read about his divorce situation. It really astounded me. His wife’s side of the story has been told, but there is no word of/from him at all. Maybe he, too, suffers from Bipolar.

    Both men are so gifted and I am sure that spiritual warfare has been fierce – maybe they were just not prepared for the onslaught. It is so very sad that they’ve inspired so many and now have disappointed so many. Lots of prayers and fasting are needed.

  • Rich Joyner has said that those on the front lines confronting the enemy are those who are attacked. Yes, some become prisoners of war, and we must never abandon our troops. I believe this is Mel Gibson. Let us not condemn him but we must pray until his release. He is still one of us.

  • To be honest, I think any kind of reparation and self-reform Mel makes should be mostly private, lest there be a temptation to profit from it in his career. He has not handled fame well in the past. For his soul I can think of no safer way than to retire to obscurity.

  • Mel is old enough to know better. Money is a very corrupting infuence. Never pray for money; pray for wisdom.

  • It is more than likely because of his movie, The Passion, that he has been targeted by HAARP. Before you jump me on this, please do your research on this low frequency radiowave generator that has the capability of changing a persons mental state – ELF vibrations are the same frequency as human brain waves. It’s part of the military – many countries use this technology that some call the Tesla tech..
    It appears to have begun after the Passion movie. Traditional Catholic or not, anyone or group of people can be zapped.
    Do the homework…ask for the Mercy of God for our Nation and the world.

  • My sister is friends with a group of women in L.A., who are the girlfriends of Mel’s wife. Mel’s wife is a saint, especially after all she has endured. Mel is not humble enough to submit to Rome, never has been accountable to anyone, from most reports. Medjugorge is not, as of yet, approved by Rome. Most of authentic Catholic family life is “doing your duty and following in the footsteps of Christ.” One can not continue drinking and also have a relationship with Christ. This was said by St. John Vianney. One or the other will become your master. Pray for Mel’s wife…and all wives and children who have endured their alcoholic spouses/relatives, it is a chaotic spiral that tries to pull everyone involved into HELL…

  • Enough judging … more praying.

  • In regards to Mel Gibson it saddens my heart with exsream passion for this man. Remember he is being attacked by Satan though all of his mental illnesses, alcohol abuse and relationship with his previous wife. I believe God himself touched Mel Gibson and inspired him to direct the “PASSION OF THE CHRIST MOVE” with actor Jim Cavisel playing Jesus. Both men have incountered God in their own way. Now Satan has attaced our brother and we must pray for Mel Gibson and Jim Cavisel. Forgiveness is the answer. I thank you Mel and Jim for making such an inspiring movie of our Lord. I am also a Catholic and prolife person and believe that Mel will come back to his faith one day. Mel Gibson is my brother and I love him as Jesus loves him.. God bless you Mel Gibson and my prayers are with you. When I saw you on the show I feel your pain. God bless, Sarah “Remember people we all have fallen, so don’t throw stones and don’t ask questions that hurt”. Love the sinner and not the sin..

  • Mel had been making up his own theology about “Church” and ecclesiology for some time as witnessed by the subjective adherance to the Pius X group. He is making up his own spirituality and theology surrounding marriage and dating, now it seems at this point. One heresy leads to another.

  • In regards to Mel Gibsons wifes friends. Have you read or watched the movie about St. Rita? Watch it and you will get truth and compassion regarding Mel Gibson. Sometimes a person when they are in that danger zone of sin, they feel they can’t turn back. They loose faith, so remember to pray for his healing. Watch the inspiring movei of St. Rita Of Caleta/Italy.. As Mel Gibsons wife, she must be hurt and must forgive Mel Gibson the man, so she can heal. God knows all things and will never leave Mrs. Gibson and their children. I will pray for her for devine strength and healing of the pain she is induring from the sin.. God bless you all

  • I agree with the article’s writer that Mel should be prayed for. However,can someone,outhere, also say the Rosary for his first wife and their children, who must really be hurting?

  • Amen Brother!!I have been feeling the exact way about Mel Gibson.I have to comment on Thereas Maris comment. Mel Gibson was not and is not involved with the ‘Pius X group’.The Pius X group as you refer to them,are not Sedevacantists and Mr. Gibson is a Sedevacantist.I read that his father annulled his marriage to his first wife.Because he does not recognize the authority of the Holy Father or the Bishops.I will agree that one heresy leads to another.He sure does need our prayers!!!

  • Don’t chalk something up to brainwave zapping that can be easily explained in one word. Sin. It’s pretty easy for many of us to go from feeling (or desiring to be) profoundly zealous and pious to the other direction. For those of us who have embraced sin at one time, it’s a never ending battle to resist those temptations. Sometimes we win and are strengthened, sometimes we give in and are weakened. Just pray for the guy and sinners in general.

  • Did you say “Mel, please come back to the Church”?
    Mel Gibson was never in the Roman Catholic Faith, he and his father are sedevacanist. They have their own beliefs.

  • I think the unnamed writer of this blog genuinely did Mr. Gibson a disservice by his condescending comments on what s/he admits was a “flip through” of an interview he wasn’t paying attention to. That lack of attention shows. The interview was about being a father late in life, and how Mr. Gibson was quitting smoking after having that habit for forty-five years for the sake of his daughter. I don’t recall him being foul in any way. He was his usual good natured self. Even in his recent movie, he plays the role of a decent father.

    Pray for whomever you wish, but stop incesantly criticizing the people who use their talents in wonderful ways and yet have human flaws. Criticism is cheap, and usually comes from the people who buried their own talents. And gossip and distorting the truth is a sin in every religion.

  • It seems the closer one gets to our Lord the more diligently the devil works to trip you up. Prayers, prayers and more prayers!

  • I agree totally with Mon. My dear Brothers and Sisters, Mel, through the Grace of God, gained sooo much territory for the Body of Christ and ANGERED the enemy! The Devil PREYS on our weaknesses and brokenness. He REVELS in our misery. I will not judge my brother Mel, because there before the Grace of God go I! I completely abhor everything he’s doing, but PLEASE instead of chastising him, PRAY, PRAY, PRAY! Beg the Lord for healing graces for this man and his wife and children. Mel can’t do it alone! He desperately needs the intercession of his Catholic family!

  • Mel, GOD loves you and so do we.As a sober Alcoholic for 34 years I know that if I can stay sober, you’ve got more where-with-all than I do, a retired aviation employee. I’ve seen part of your “chrst” movie and was very inspired. Be for GOD in the media. One Day At A Time, Easy Does IT, Live and Let Live, Let Go and Let God. GOD BLESS YOU AND RECOVER FROM YOU ILLNESS, I DID.

  • What happened to Mel Gibson, can happen to each and every one of us. He does need our prayers and we need prayers ourselves. May we pray for the gift of perseverance. Mel is being attacked by the evil one for producing the Passion of Christ. He snatched alot of souls from perdition. So let’s pray and sacrifice for him, for he is undergoing a severe test now. Let’s not judge him but pray instead.

  • Many prayers are needed. The Passion of Christ is truly a great movie and it did so much good. Why would it seem strange that Satan is working hard to discredit the movie and the one who made it?

  • Sometimes, ending up in the gutter is the best thing that can happen to an alcoholic, living in impurity.
    When you’ve bottomed out, then you can only look up to God, because that is really all we have.
    Mel has too much…
    Robyn and his children are the ones that are really suffering. I hope there are good people around them, to support them and protect them from what their father is doing to them.
    At the end of the day, Robyn will always be looked up to for enduring such a public humiliation.

  • If anyone can look at Mel Gibson now and not understand how Satan works to draw those who do good for the kingdom down into his sewer, they are either blind or in denial. The enormous good that came from Gibson making the Passion of the Christ, and the personal attacks he withstood at the time surely puts him in the bullseye of the evil one. I can say as deeply committed “orthodox” Roman Catholic, any time someone is on the narrow path, and drawing ever nearer to Our Lord, seeking to give Him honor and glory, and do all for Him, Satan HATES them all the more and sends his minions to attack, infest, and even in some rare cases possess that person. When you do good, you can be sure you will be attacked by the devil, and the more profound your spiritual growth, and the higher degree of good one does for the Kingdom, the more those attacks increase, and the severity of them as well. Mel Gibson is clearly under attack….pray for him…Satan wants to take him down. We are given an opportunity now to see how the evil one operates, and we are called to respond with our prayers and supplication on Gibson’s behalf. May God help him, as well as all who are under particular attack at present.

  • Dear God PLEASE Help MEL Gibson repent! Go back to his real wife but take care of the child he fathered. I am so sad, the way I see it, Mel gave into to Satan! He did the great movie about Christ and the Devil attacked him and looks like he won. Dear God open Mels eyes and bring him back to the fold. To Mrs. Gibson, I am so sorry for your suffering and pain and may God hold you in his arms and Heart.

  • Been praying for him for a long time— In the years since he made the Passion I have wondered at his “fall” and found myself asking could it be the evil one hates what Mel did with that movie so much that he has been relentless in his attacks ever since. Not that Mel is an innocent by any means but I believe he has always been somewhat of a tortured soul. I do not doubt Mel Gibson’s love for our Lord— The movie he made was too intense, too real for it to have been just a story to him— I think his love for our Blessed Mother and the Lord were obvious and that movie had a profound effect on many people and I know for sure Satan hates Mel Gibson for that reason— as so many have said already— pray for him and remember there but for the grace of God go I…

  • Mr. Mel Gibson’s best work was “The Passion of the Christ”. I will still watch it every year during lent, usually on Good Friday, while crying my eyes out and thanking God for the beautiful gift of such a ‘sorrowful reminder’ that (actually) God created for us thru Mel Gibson and all those people that worked on or supported the movie. It helps me to get back in touch in a deeper way with what matters. Pity and pray for Mel Gibson and his x-family. He has obviously fallen into the ‘pit’ for whatever reasons. (There but for God’s grace goes I.)
    A caution to anyone planning to see Mel Gibson’s new movie, be careful of what you support. Supporting evil is usually subtle for most of us. What seems insignificant is still a choice. Hey….it’s a daily battle between good and evil. Don’t give up any ground if you can help it. But think about it. If you make choices that support an evil/bad example, such as –someone’s openly sinful life style, aren’t you inadvertently supporting the bad example too?

  • I believe you are right to ask for prayers for Mel Gibson. As a representative of Catholics in Hollywood, since making “The Passion”, he is a VERY BIG TARGET, of Evil, just as our Priests are. IF you damage a big one, you can weaken the faith of countless weak Catholics, and potential Christians.

    Having said that, I also believe, after reading his biography, that he is Bi Polar. His wife was always an anchor to him even during his earlier career, when temptation would have made him more vulnerable. He knew enough to run, not walk to his wife to anchor him after each film, and dreaded being away on location.

    His outbursts, and off the wall behavior is very consistent with someone in a manic episode (cycle). That does not excuse him. He needs the help of a good grounded Catholic Psychiatrist who can help him with that. Think both Rosies, and Brittany Spears as well. typical manics. Robin Williams, Jim Carrey as well. The ranks of creative geniuses are full of Bi Polar people. Bi Polar disorder is also the most treatable with medication. You can live a perfectly balanced life.

    The Bi Polar aspect does not rule out the demonic either. Certainly not all people dealing with Mental Illness are dealing with the demonic, but you often find those under assault by evil showing accompanying mental illness.

    But, yes, we need to pray for him. And for all those in that wacky world. We’re supposed to pray for all the unbelievers. And to go easy on judging them. That’s not our job.

    I predict that one day soon, he will come crashing down, and may have a really tough bottom to wake him up. Hopefully real soon.

    Jim Kearney

  • I think there’s a desire to believe that great people aren’t capable of grave sins or that grave sinners aren’t capable of great things.

    As Mel himself says, he hasn’t changed. He’s always been a foul-mouthed sedevacanist who loves women and booze. At the same time, he’s always been very strong in his faith. He still attends Mass, though he no longer receives Communion. He’s really not that different from millions of Catholics struggling with sin. He’s just rich, famous, and talented enough to both make a movie about Christ and have an affair with a model. I can’t say that had I been blessed with his gifts that I’d use them more wisely.

  • I have thought for a long time that Gibson needs medication and prayer.I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that he’s bi-polar.He’s a brillian actor and director but very strange in many ways.Hope he gets the help he needs.

  • Gibson is a terrific actor.

    Anyone who watched the Leno interview knows that the blogger has (to put it kindly) fabricated and misrepresented the character, the nature, and the facts.

    How could Mel have announced his girlfriend’s pregnancy on the interview when his daughter had been born months before? Do facts not matter to Catholics? Is truth optional?

    This was a cowardly hit piece on a fine actor and director. Stirring up the calamity pot with selfrighteous nonsense.

  • John, if the author misrepresented any of the peripheral information I won’t defend him on that, but to say that the date of the pregnancy is of central importance is false.

    Gibson cheated on his wife and that is a terrible, unmanly thing to do. If you can’t agree with that basic truth, nobody here cares about anything you have to say. Gibson is STILL cheating on his wife because marriage is an indissoluble union no matter what the law has to say about it.

    As mere mortals we don’t judge the state of another’s soul, but these actions are horrific, especially given the actor’s upbringing in a religious confession heavily inspired by Catholicism. We must pray for him without believing that we couldn’t fall into the same trap.

  • i am really saddened with the turn of events and i do believe its the work of evil since passion. we have to keep praying for him to St michael archangel especially to sorround him with his protection. we all need St michael’s protection everyday. Blessed Virgin mOther, please sorround Mel Gibson with your mantle.

  • Well, if it’s Satan working on Mel, he’s been at it since long before The Passion. Mel has been a reputed womanizer for decades (if he’s prowling around as a wizened 50-something, what do you think he was up to as a pretty boy 30-something star? Yeah.)

    I’ve always thought the sadism in his films (including the Passion) is related to self-hatred for his long infidelity. But then maybe he’s just a sadist.

  • Having followed this director and actor since his Braveheart days, it seems that there’s a reasonable possibility that he’s mentally ill. He inarguably can use prayers in any case.

  • Sad yes. Secular humanist,yes; disobedient to the Magisterium of the church, yes; humble, no; fear of God, no. A good example, unfortuantely, no. Not the light of God. Darkness instead. Why watch anything made by him at this point?

  • My heart goes out the Mel Gibson — what talented, gifted soul…

    As indicated by others’ comments already, I, too, strongly believe that he is influenced and is under the attack of the Evil One for gifting us with “The Passion.” The Passion brought many people back to God. Can you imagine how many souls Mel Gibson can save with other such GREAT movies? He has the potential to do SO much (I mean HUGE things!!!) for the greater glory of God and salvation of souls with his talent, which is why I believe the Evil One is fiercely attacking him.

    Our Lord, as well as Our Lady of Medjugorje, mentioned about the power of prayer from the heart and fasting, so let’s do that for our brother, Mel Gibson — for himself and for our God’s glory.

    MIR,
    Fiat

  • If i am not mistaken, i believe that Mel was studying
    to be a Catholic Priest.

  • The Passion of the Christ has been a powerful
    witness to Jesus Christ. Mel is under attack, we
    shouldn’t critize or judge but fast and pray for him, like the article says. He is our brother and he has fallen.
    There is always HOPE.

  • Now of course I mean , studying to be a Priest, in
    the early days before he got married.

  • What a conflicted person Mel is!! This may be a case of the attack of Satan on someone who had the audacity to try to educate people about the sacrifice of Jesus, which I think we can all agree has not been foremost in this country for decades. I don’t believe evil will win because Jesus promised it would not, but it looks like we are being sorely tested as individuals. When we put in place a leader who is for the culture of death and immorality, we have grave consequences to deal with. We must pray for all who are in danger of blindness and ignorance of the terrible responsibility they incur because of the platforms they currently have access to.

  • Alcohol has a way to numb a persons resolve and open the door to sin…Mel will be prayed for ..He did the passion and I feel and think that our Lord will take it the Movie the Passion into account for it was a labor of love for Mel..He doesn’t need us to JUDGE him but for us to love him and to really pray and fast for him!!

  • Ever since “The News” about Mel’s infidelity broke a year or so ago, I have thought of him sporadically and offered a prayer out of the blue. I thank the author of this blog for sharing his thoughts and prayers and wonder how many of us have done the same. It seems like the Holy Spirit has moved many of us to pray for the Gibson’s and Mel in particular. Lets do it!

  • You seem to have all the answers. It’s nice to know you are so good while condemning someone else without knowing the circumstances. Your sins remain hidden, if you have any. Catholics shouldn’t throw stones. Didn’t you ever learn in your religion that judgement of others without knowing all the facts is a sin? “judge not, lest ye be judged”.

    Fortunately Mr. Gibson has to answer to God and not you.

  • Against all odds – Mel directed, produced and released the Movie the Passion. We are in great debt to Mel for this. we should pray for his soul and regard him as a beloved brother. what is going on in his personal life, only God is the Judge. let us remember Mel during Holy Mass and let God take care of the rest.

  • Let’s remember Mel Gibson, whenever we view the Passion during Lent or other times and pray for him. Christ died for him and for all of our sins combined. Mel has given us an opportunity of a lifetime – to meditate on the Passion of Christ, which hitherto was nearly impossible in our modern times. So he is paying a price for our souls, with his. He lacks the sacraments but eventually God’s mercy will win out as Mel did answer God’s call to produce the movie against all odds. For all we know, he is but a sacrificial victim himself, which is why God does not want us to judge anyone. We should each examine our conscience daily and I can guarantee it will be an eye opener. We owe Mel a lot for the Passion Movie… let our prayers ascend heaven for him for what he did for us.

  • Mel has turned out to be a big disgrace, a huge disappointment!It is shocking that this is the same man who produced The Passion of the Christ!

  • He may well be mentally ill; at the very least, he is suffering from middle-age syndrome. . .

  • There is no point in going to Mass if you are not going to receive the Eucharist!

  • Mel Gibson has definately gone off the deep end and certainly needs our prayers, but people tend to be judgemental when some whom they greatly admire have fallen prey to the wiles of the evil one who did everything to prevent the production of “The Passion of the Christ.”

    So let us be very objective in passing judgement on him, for what the Devil was unable to accomplish in preventing this classic of a movie depicting the Passion of Our Lord in stark terms, employing the original language in the making of the movie, has had serious repercussion on a mere mortal being who finally has succombed to his wiles.

    Indeed it is a very sad story, not to mention the injustice of his father for annuling his lifelong marriage to his dear wife who has given him seven children who must be experiencing deep pain for Mel’s unfaithfulness in the abandonment of his sacred trust .

    Let us not forget that Mel Gibson regarded his wife as his best friend, and offer up much sacrifice and prayers on their behalf for renunciation of his ineptitude to his beloved family, remembering that what God has joined together no one shall put asunder.

    This is what Jesus taught, by going further in asserting that husband and wife when joined in holy matrimony, they become one flesh.

    Let us therefore intercede on his behalf, and implore St. Agustine who gave up the ways of the flesh for a much higher calling, and became one of the greatest doctors of the Catholic Church.

    Mel is is still young and will eventually feel extremely quilty in the eyes of the Lord just as we read in todays Gospel about David who had Uriah the husband of Batsheba killed after he impregnated her.

    Overwhelmed with great distress for his deception, he repented for his grevious sin and implored the Lord to forgive him his transgressions which became a heavy weight to carry.

    But the Lord who was made to carry the heavy Cross for our sins, even after He was scourged – until His Flesh was torn from His sacred body, was made to carry the heavy Cross to Calvary in order to redeem us of our sins.

    Now it’s up to Mel Gibson to carry his own cross in anticipation of God’s forgiveness, or he will never be happy and contented with himself for the wrong he committed against his wife and his beloved children.

    Mother Mary we as Catholics know the benefits of repentance and forgiveness, through the great prayer your beloved Son taught us in that great prayer of the Pater Noster. (The Our Father)

    You whom your beloved Son never refuse anything you ask Him for your children as He responded at the wedding feast at Cana in Galilee when He responded to your request in coming to the assistance of the youngmarried couple.

    Please hear and answer our prayers on behald of Mel Gibson and his wife and their seven children.

    This indeed is a very worthy petition that will help to defeat the Devil’s intention to ruin this man whom he hates for bringing to light the great suffering your Son and you yourself were made to bear for your children.

    Ave Maria.

    Roy and Carol Tenn.

  • Granted, Mel is not in a good place spiritually… and that he has serious flaws, like many others. I am not condoning what he has been doing, but at the same time, I am totally puzzled at the image of Protestant Saint Robyn.
    SHE was the one who filed for divorce! Did she need to do that (ie severe financial hardship, physical abuse, etc?) NO. And what she has done is drag her children into a much worse situation than if she was silently and prayerfully putting up with a less than faithful husband. God knows how many Catholic or Christian women have done that to keep the family together!
    Infidelity is grounds for separation, not divorce.
    So please stop holding her up like she is a saint.
    Mel would not be able to parade his mistress around publicly, causing such scandal, if Robyn had not divorced him.
    Indeed, there were credible reports in December of 2008 that he pleaded with her for a reconciliation, and she refused. It was after this, that he threw himself away and the baby was conceived. I am not excusing him, but Robyn had a share in this. God alone knows how much.

  • John Masick,

    If you do not agree with the writer of this article, refrain from personal attacks and focus on the substance.

    Thank you.

    Your comment has been deleted for lack of charity.

  • “There is no point in going to Mass if you are not going to receive the Eucharist!”

    There are many reasons. One, worship of God. Two, spiritual communion. Three, the liturgy of the Word. Four, fulfilling obligation. Shall we go on?

  • isn’t this exactly what the devil does- discredits someone who has done something good- attacks him and makes him look like a fool and hypocrite -so you won’t take him or his work seriously and damage whay good he has done?
    and men-weak fall right into it.

  • “L.” says: “There is no point in going to Mass if you are not going to receive the Eucharist!”

    That is totally wrong. The Church teaches that if you have committed a mortal sin and have not yet repented it in Confession, you are still under the serious obligation to attend Mass every Sunday. If you don’t then that is ANOTHER mortal sin!

  • Thanks all for the article and comments. I admire him & thank God for the Passion of the Christ. I will begin to offer prayers for Mel Gibson. We’re planning to see his new movie this weekend in celebration of our 25th anniv! I’m so sad and sorry about his falls from Grace. I am Very Catholic and such a sinner too – I always hope & pray our marriage lasts the rest of our lives.

  • Lord Jesus,
    Help all of us sinners to find the way home to you.We ask for the graces of love,joy,peace,contrition,conversion,self-control,forgiveness of sins,love for our Lord Jesus,perseverence,final perseverence,salvation,the grace of a happy death,prudence,long suffering,wisdom,faith and hope,for us all.

  • His “drunken rants” occurred the very week Israel began bombing the little babies in Lebanon. He was being followed and was entrapped. A particular cop got the job done. He was never forgiven for The Passion.

  • Complete rubbish. Mel Gibson was “set up” by his love of the bottle and his inner demons. A tip from an attorney Mel. If you are pulled over again for drunk driving keep your stupid mouth shut. The Passion was a great movie, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Gibson, and him alone, has made an absolute car wreck out of his life.

  • 43. But when the unclean spirit hath gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth it not. 44. Then he saith, I will return to my house, whence I came out; and coming, he findeth it empty, and swept, and embellished. 45. Then he goeth away, and taketh with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and entering, he dwelleth there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
    Matthew 12:43-45

  • To be honest, I don’t see the point in censoring John Masick’s comments. It IS sloppy to write an article after merely glancing at a news story. IF (and only if) he is right about the timeline of events, he has a valid point.

    See, John, I DO care about truth. If you care.

    But while we’re talking about the truth on a Catholic blog, Catholics know that marriage is indissoluble. Marriages are PRESUMED valid unless proven otherwise and here’s where Gibson’s sede vacantism again gouges him: any declaration of nullity his sect produces for him isn’t worth the paper it is written on.

    It is hard to believe that Gibson could have failed to contract a valid marriage with Robyn. Fine, maybe this whole bigamist situation doesn’t even hurt Robyn’s feelings. The point is that it is still a spiritual wrong and a poor witness.

  • FACE THE FACTS:

    Gibson is an artist, NOT a saint.
    He’s a master of illusion, NOT a doctor of the Church.
    Gibson is destroying his life, NOT the devil.
    Opposing Catholic orthopraxy is NOT Catholic!
    Mentally ill? No.
    Mid-life crisis? No.
    Satan hates Mel? Satan hates us all.
    Pray for all Jesus to save all sinners, not just Mel.

  • I believe it is the devil at his best… he found a weak spot in Mel and Mel let him in. We do need to pray for Mel, and I will.

  • I remember his interview with Raymond Arroryo at EWTN as if it were yesterday

    He kind of reminds me of Henry the Eighth who was once a strong Catholic and defender of the faith who then goes completely AWOL. Or like King Saul in the bible. It’s a spiritual warning. he left a crack open for the enemy, and since he had been delivered of evil demons before, when he left himself open to spiritual attack, seven more worse then the last entered into him.

    I also heard that alcoholics are often warned that when they have many years of sobriety, if they do fall ‘off the wagon’, they don’t just pick up where they left off as say a 5 drink a day drunk but they go right to where they would have been and worse if as if they never stopped to a exponentially worse sodden ten gallon a day lush complete with blackouts that could last for days.

    I have no doubt that Gibson attracted many practitioners of the dark arts who put curses and hexes on him so that when he did crack, he didn’t stand a chance.

    Someone had to have warned him. He obviously didn’t listen.

  • “To much that is given, much is required”. Anyone in the public eye has an additional burden/responsability (since they obviously have received much of “something” to be IN the public eye)to be an example of moral goodness to all those observing them. In the case of a world-renown actor, he is observed and under the scrutiny of millions upon millons of pairs of eyes. Scandal circles over the head of actors such as Mr. Gibson like vultures over an abandoned fawn. That fawn would be safer out of the open field, and would fair better if it sought out and stuck with “the correct herd” and headed for the seclusion of the forest, instead of staying out in the open where the wolfes gather and vultures pic the bones. Satan delights in the ruin of all of us, but particularly those who have influence with many and are in the public eye. All we need to do is look at the many politicians who claim to be Catholic, but vote and promote every anti-life bill and live the most anti-Catholic life style in public view to see how easy it is to buckle under the burden of having much. That God would give us all the humility of His Most Holy Mother. May we look to her example, and not that of movie stars and politicans as how we should conduct ourselves.

  • Mel is yet another casualty in the war against evil. His movie, “The Passion” was a powerful blow against satan, which undoubtedly saved thousands of souls from the clutches of hell. Now, it is obvious that satan is angered to the point of personally seeking Mel’s destruction through his simple human weaknesses. For anyone to sit in judgement of Mel Gibson, is to miss the point. We are all sinners, and we need to pray for each other in this spiritual battle. I pray that Mel will accept God’s graces and use his gifts once again to overcome evil.

  • I feel very strongly that the down fall of Mel started when he was filming the movie Apocalypto. He went to Mayan new age ceremonies and I believe there he opened himself to evil spirits cause his life from then on went down hill. It was after that he had the drinking charges etc . You Can’t be involved in that kind of stuff and expect to not be affected.

  • WOW! You said it all about Mel. I always loved him and I think the evil one has crushed him because of his making of the Passion. We need to pray for him!

  • I, too, think Satan has taken control of Mel because he made The Passion of Christ movie that inspired so many to come to know Jesus. I am wondering if Mel’s mental disorder (bi-polar or schizoid) is really a demonic possession. Could it be that Mel needs an exorcist?

  • For if my enemy had slandered me,
    I think I could have borne it.
    And if the one who hated me had trampled me,
    perhaps I could have hidden.
    But you – a man just like me,
    my companion and my friend!
    We had happy times together,
    we walked together in the house of God.~psalm 54

    It kind of gives you new insight into the character of Judas.
    Mel Gibson is to be pitied more then anything else.
    I already do pray for him btw.

  • when I watched the Passion movie it seemed a bit unreal to me and I felt somehow uncomfortable over it.
    What did Mel Gibson know exactly about the suffering Christ endured? Were all the scenes approved by knowledgable, representives of the Catholic church before the final?
    Surely, Mel did not need any approval, and we did not demand it either, we were delighted that anyone would make such a film. But don’t forget, a movie star was telling us in details about the life of Christ so that it griped millions without a question, believing it was the total truth.
    We know Jesus underwent unsurpassed, horrible sufferings, but were they also not in a spiritual form instead through such a violence shown; were we saved strickly by violence?
    Although Jesus was made human he stll was the son of God who is but s Spirit.
    Mel Gibson’s mind, like some of our priests, {basicly good people} but whom were induced for their weekness by the evil one who is out to destroy God and his church and St. Michael; it most likele began already with Gibson before the movie was made.
    I worry that the violence shown in the Passion might now backfire; even Gibson does now believe in it anymore.
    Hopefully, and I trust, he will see the light again and return to the God he claimed to love at one time.
    Marie

  • I’ve been thinking alot about Mel Gibson these days. It’s rather coincidental that this article should come out now. There is so much TRASH in Hollywood these days, Mr. Gibson deserves so much more than to be linked with those that flaunt their adultress relationships and think nothing about God and doing the right thing. I don’t know what happened, but it’s obvious something did.I pray for his wife and children. May Mr. Gibson see the error of his ways before it is too late.

  • Like Jesus himself said, “Ye without sin, throw the first stone.” My God is so merciful and will forgive him. The original sin we’re are all tarnished with can take anyone down at any time. God is allowing all this to happen. With our prayers, our Lord will bring him back to Himself. I also think he has undiagnosed minor bi- polar mental health issues ,has manic tendencies, and a little ADD. Think of all his hyperness, creativity, inabiltiy to stop smoking and his drinking (to calm down). Be merciful as I am merciful…another Jesus quote. I’m so glad this article is about praying for Mel. Prayer changes things..Mel is a very special person. I would never change places with him. It looks too confusing, lonely and sad…I’ll keep my simple little life anytime…Peace be with you Mel…xoxox

  • The Passion of Christ made the devil snarl. Satan looked for an opportunity to make his move. Hollywood hated Mel for his religious beliefs. He probably was snubbed and snickered at. He succumbed to his alcohol drinking again and the devil loosened his tongue. Hollywood continued to hate him for his words. Everyone wants to feel like they belong and they are loved. Like Christ’s temptation in the desert, the devil made Mel an offer…but different from Jesus, Mel could not refuse….a beautiful woman, sex with a beautiful woman….divorce….and a chance to buddy up with his Hollywood pals again. He is now once again loved by Hollywood. He is one of them, part of the group, partying, adultery, alcohol, admiration, etc. He is loved again by those who could not stand his religious morals. He fell, and Hollywood is happy. But is Mel happy? Mel looks miserable and is in a spiral going down, down, down. If he only would break down and come to his senses. Mel, hold on to Jesus. Let Him pull you out of the pit. Only then will you know true happiness. Come back.

  • I could not get out of seat at the end of the “Passion of Christ”. I am sure it had the same effect on many. Satan hates anyone doing anything to bring others to Christ, and so, Mel, like each and every one of us, is vulnerable to his wiles. May the Blood of Christ that won for us true freedom in Him, bring His healing upon our brother. May Mary, our Beloved Mother envelop him in her loving mantle and draw him back to the fold. God bless. Marianne from Sri Lanka

  • It’s too bad Mel won’t be seeing these comments. He needs to see that despite his failings that we are praying for him to change his ways.
    I too admired him as someone who could buck the Hollywood trend and become a symbol of a man with a deep faith and love of the Lord. Instead he has listened to the lies of the devil and been caught up in the trappings of the lifestyle of the rich and famous. I don’t admire him anymore, I pity him. I also pray for his ex and the children. He has turned into a very selfish man who puts his own needs above his faith and family. Reminds me of the movie Dorian Grey, beauty hiding the ugliness.
    Dear Lord, please change Mel’s heart and humble himself in returning to your forgiving arms,

  • I REALLY THINK THAT MEL COULD DO SOME REAL ANGEL WORK HERE, AND AT THIS TIME. HE HAS ALREADY “ACTED” OUT THE “PASSION OF CHRIST’, AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FILM, AND NOW ACTUALLY LIVING OUT WHAT THE DEVIL IS DOING TO PEOPLE AT THIS TIME. HE HAS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, AND IF HE DOES IT NOW, HE COULD REACH OUT TO THESE ANTI-CHRIST PEOPLE, THE UNBELIEVERS, AND FAMILIES WHO ARE SUFFERING THROUGH THE SAME THING AND TOGETHER FIGHT THE DEVIL WHO IS SO STRONG AT THIS TIME, AND EAGER TO DESTROY FAMILIES AND OUR FAITH. HIS RATINGS COULD COME OUT OF THE SEWER IN A HURRY. THIS IS HAPPENING TO FAMILIES EVERYWHERE, BUT WE ONLY HEAR ABOUT THE NOTIBLE ONES.

  • Dear Jesus, in your Holy Name, and through Your Precious Blood, we pray on behalf of our brother, your adopted son, Mel Gibson. Lord, we ask that you continue to shower your graces and blessings upon Mel. We ask you to deliver him from any and all unclean spirits that are attacking him…so, satan, in the Name of Jesus and through his precious blood, we command you and all of your unclean spirits to leave Mel Gibson and all situations in his life. You are a liars and thieves and we command you all to flee and begone from Mel Gibson. All of you unclean spirits of pride, lust, rage, greed, witchcraft, sorcery, mammon, division, rebellion, rejection, deception…and any other unnamed spirits that are attached to those named I command you to leave Mel Gibson also…go directly to Jesus touching no one on your way. Lord, open Mel’s heart and help him turn to you once again and to ask his family’s forgiveness. Unite them once again, Lord. Help Mel to remember the sacrament of marriage that he is promised to. Bless his family. Let Your Will be done in Mel Gibson’s life. We ask for all of this in Jesus’ Holy Name. Amen.

  • Mr. Gibson and his family should have been surrounded by prayer warriors while he was making “The Passion of Christ”, and afterwards. I believe that Satan is attacking him to make sure that he doesn’t ever again make a movie that would have such an impact on the children of God. I think that most people were praising him for his movie and forgot to pray for him.

  • Tom, I have said your prayer for Mr. Gibson, I hope all will do so also as h was once a good man may he return to this.

  • We must remember the strength and personal commitment it took to make the “Passion of the Christ”. IT seems he had to go to Italy for part of the financing…making this film was a real struggle, and satan would have done anything to bring Mel down….for the moment he has lost his way, however we must not judge…satan is much closer than most of us realize…We must pray for Mel and his family.

  • If hundreds or thousands could recite Tom’s prayer for Mel, the devils’ hooks could start being detached. Prayer said. Thank you, Tom.

  • the bigger (or in this case, the closer they appear to be to the Lord) the harder they fall, probably becasue Satan tries so hard to make them fall. I saw this with my own daughter who was SO devout as a young adult, then went off to college and now professes atheism……Satan is laughing his way through the bowels of hell

  • Yes keep Mel Gibson in prayer. When his faith was tested he crumbled and fell, the evil one works in such a deceitful way that when Gibson made the Passion the attacks were non-stop and he fell. It’s sad because I believe that God has another movie for him to make. It’s title is The Fall from Grace

  • Yes, we all need to pray for Mel Gibson and his family. We also need to include the woman he is living with. Mel was not obedient to ALL the teachings of the Church and publicly stated – on TV and other places – while making the great move THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST that he didn’t accept Vatican II and the teachings regarding the revised Liturgy.
    Satan can get a foothold and take over when we separate ourselves from the teachings of the Church.
    Let us pray and meditate on the Our Father for ourselves and for the Gibson family.

  • why is everyone equating the movie Passion with mel’s fall? mel was pretty much and has been pretty much a ‘ladies man’ whether he’s married or not. His former wife has a very good settlement from the divorce and mel continues to visit his children and have contact with them. Robin and children are comfortable.
    If mel has plans for remarriage then he and robin should have their marriage annuled.
    May God Bless the entire Gibson family.

  • God isn’t finished with Mel, nor any of us, yet.

  • The enemey of our souls knows are weaknesses and when we do good he is there to bring us down. The only thing that keeps one from falling is the frequent reception of the sacraments, the Eucharist and regular confession.(monthly or bimonthly confession) By discreting Mel he knows he can turn away from the faith those that are weak. We are in a spiritual combat.

  • The enemy of our souls knows are weakness and is ever ready to strike us down especially after we do good. Mel is a prime example. Many turned to Christ after his movie. The enemy knows that if he can bring him down many will lose heart. The only thing that keeps our spiritual armour on is the frequent reception of the sacraments, the Eucharist and monthly or bimonthly confession. We are in the midst of a great spiritual battle and need to arm ourselves with Divine Grace that comes through the sacraments

  • I wonder if we really get the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery. The jest that I get is, “We all live in glass houses, so we shouldn’t throw stones.” “We’ve all come short of the glory of God” and “Judge not lest you be judged.” Leave Mel alone, if he’s God’s, He’ll bring him around.

  • Hi! I agree with Sue, if he’s GOD’s HE will bring him around, it’s tough to be a star and a devout Traditional Catholic, we slip, we fall, we call on GOD to help and HE comes to help us so let we commoners leave him alone and PRAY for him.

  • Oh, and by the way, “The Passion of the Christ” was about the sufferings and sacrifices that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did for us, not the Mel Gibson life story. Why equate the two?

  • In regard to the woman caught in adultery I believe that the admonition of Our Lord was “Go and sin no more.” Something for us all to take to heart, particularly drunken adulterous Mel.

  • Our children are our greatest highway to heaven, sorry eagles, and marriage is a bond. I am separated for 15 years, and my wife lives with someone else.
    I still live the faith, a sinner no question, but no aduldtry here!

    My son and I are going skiing Wednesday. Mel wake up and smell the Rose.

  • Lot of people here throwing the first stone.

  • Sue,

    You totally misunderstand “Judge not lest ye be judged.” It does not mean that one cannot judge an ACTION as sinful. It means that we may not judge the state of a person’s SOUL, or say that they will go to hell, etc.

    See Marcel LeJeune’s explanation of the passage here: http://marysaggies.blogspot.com/2007/03/judge-not.html

    Donald is totally right, you cannot isolate just that one sentence from the passage. Jesus said “Go, and SIN NO MORE,” not “meh, there’s no such thing as sin.”

  • there have been other great epic movies, The Ten Commandments, The Greatest Story Ever told and the list goes on made by great Directors. mel happens to also be a good director of movies “with” a pretty face with a ‘passion’ for pretty young women and drink like many other actors, producers and directors.
    They all need our prayers, all of them. Of course the ex-spouses and the children involved need our prayers as well.

  • It’s not like gibson was a totally religious man who happened to fall out of Grace and left his poor grieving wife and children. He had always been ‘runnin-around.’ Who knows, maybe this time around he’ll make his girlfriend an honest-woman.

  • Name and fame will destroy you. Seek God only. May God bless Mr. Gibson and his family.

  • I can,t believe that none of you can see what is really happening to him. He by his movie
    The Passion,is being attacked by the enemy for saving so many souls via conversions. Just like our Priests who save souls he is being destroyed by the enemy so that we catholics will look at him as a nut job instead of trying to help save his soul by praying for him. Please lets just pray for him and our priests who are attacked the most because they save souls, which the enemy will do anything to stop from happening.

  • No man can create a movie as powerful as The Passion, coming so close to God, without experiencing the war that is raging in and around us. Mr. Gibson and his families need the strength of our combined prayers to help rescue him from the evil one.

    I’ve been in a similar situation and know first-hand just how powerful the evil one is and how wonderfully merciful our Lord is. Everything is done in God’s time. We can not fully understand nor should we judge, simply pray, for Mr. Gibson, his families, and ourselves.

  • Moral Judgement: A judgement of the morality of an action, whether our own or our neighbor’s.

    Too often men arrogated to themselves the right to judge their neighbor’s conduct and motives, and THAT is the sin here.

    “Judgement is only lawful according as it is an act proceeding from justice, and for this three things are required: 1. It must flow from an inclination for justice (I see nothing here but many people voicing rash judgements of a man, based on press reports?). 2. Judgement must come from a superior authority (I see many people here who think they are superior and think they have the right to judge others. It will be interesting to see on judgement day when all our sins will be made public, even our most secret ones, how clean all of your slates are). 3. Judgement is to be pronounced according to the rules of PRUDENCE. Meaning: The right reason for doing something. (I seriously doubt that anyone here could possibly have the right motives, by presuming (another serious sin), that they know this man or details of his life through press reports?).

    If defective on any of these points, the judgement will be faulty and “unlawful” according to(St. Thomas II-II, lv, 2).

    Our Lord warned against rash judgements in Matt. vii, 1, 2. Judge not, that you may not be judged. 2. For with what judgement you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measur you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3. And why seedy thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye: and sweat not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4. Etc. 5. Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, then shalt thy see to cast the mote out of thy brothers eye.

    So here we have it from the Lord Himself.

    Even those of you who profess to be praying for Mel Gibson are praying for the things that YOU have judged him for. If a member of your family or a friend does something wrong, do you talk publicly about them exposing their faults? Or do you pray for that person privately. The harm that you do by speaking publicly about a person and pointing out their sins will turn back on you, for no good comes from this.

  • “If a member of your family or a friend does something wrong, do you talk publicly about them exposing their faults?”

    Irene, the whole point here is that Mel Gibson has exposed HIS OWN faults for the world to see. He is an A-list celebrity and knows that every move he makes will be covered by the media. He went out of his way to present himself to the world as an exemplary Catholic, then announces on national teevee that he is having a child out of wedlock with a woman other than his wife. This isn’t just rumors being spread by gossip columnists — the man himself is talking about it in front of millions of viewers. So this isn’t a case of rash judgment.

  • King David did even more horrible things ,even arranging to have the husband of his mistress Bethsheba killed in battle, but he always acknowledged his sins and repented.
    On his deathbed of all his MANY talents what he wanted most for his son Solomon was his faithfulness to God. That is my prayer for Mel, to repent just as we all have to do with our list of offenses against God in thoughts, words and deeds. J.M.J.

  • In life, some need to travel ‘full circle’ emptying themselves completely to experience the “void of emptiness”, then, return to the Father seeking the Reconcillation that can come only within the healing of the Church. As having been there myself, I can understand the journey and rejoice in reaching the destination, of returning in the Sacrament of Reconcillation. Now fortified even stronger with the armor of faith, belief and conviction, I will fast and pray for not only Mel but for all those who are still on the journey of the “full circle”.

  • I have one question ?

    If mel was your real brother or if you were a son or daughter of mel would you write and have published the article about ” MEL NEEDS OUR PRAYERS ” ?

    THE H— YOU WOULD !

    Instead you would want as little press / media coverage as possible about your loved one .

    STOP TALKING , WRITING AND BEING ENTERTAINED ABOUT MEL AND JUSTIFYING THE ENDLESS CHATTER ABOUT MEL BY SAYING ” MEL NEEDS OUR PRAYERS ”

    All that results is that you help the enemy by creating a defeatist persona of christianity through mel’s humanity .

  • I agree with Mon and Pamela Mundling. In general, people are quick to judge. We don’t know Mel’s childhood and like it or not he’s been battling with the devil since then. The fact that he is constantly attacked by an inner devil is actually a good sign that he’s struggling to find the truth! Perhaps there might be some unforgiveness he’s dealing with. Although we see alcoholism, adultery etc. the battle is a spiritual battle. Let’s help him out with our prayers!Life is short! With the help of God, we’ll celebrate our victory in the next.

  • After the “Passion” I had hoped that Mel Gibson would have followed up with the story of the early Christian martyrs or just following up on the fascinating time right after the Resurrection- These are times that need good modern visual aids in a culture that is so dependent on such things. Alas the success of “Passion” was not used to springboard more of the Christian history into the mainstream. Gibson has made a daring film and it paid-off, he was the one man positioned in Hollywood to do something that no one else would dare or care to do- but the opportunity was lost- and that decision to not proceed and then to go into the Mayan tale- probably was a the big mistake for Mr.Gibson. These kind of opportunities don’t come up often, and so I am left bemoaning the new public persona of Mel Gibson, without knowing how all of this if playing inside of Mel Gibson. Even though I am not a public personality, if I somehow ended up being a media subject or personality, I would want my friends and my brother and sister Catholics to follow my public witness and offer constructive criticisms should I deviate from Catholic teachings in letter or spirit. We are supposed to help one another, not just praise each other especially when there is serious cause for worry over what is going out in Christ’s name from one of his very public believers. We all need some tough love from time to time, and yet there must always be love in the midst of critiques of one another. I would hope that Mel Gibson would read my blog entry and be moved by it and not see it as some kind of self-righteous attack piece. But even if he doesn’t see it, the fact that I and others will continue to pray for him and his family can only be of some help. If anyone takes this blog entry as a pharisaic act of unholy judgment, then please pray for me and my family- I’m not feeling bad about writing this blog in my conscience- but of course, our consciences can be errant so pray that if I did wrong in posting this that God will get through to me in the quiet of my own conscience-taking.

  • I like this article. Like so many, I am disappointed about the turn of events with Mel Gibson. I struggled with it, because I like him and I love the Passion of the Christ, so I asked God about it, and He reminded me of St.Augustine, who was very weak and had many failings himself, yet became a Saint with God’s help. I don’t think this is the end of the road for Mel. I believe that he is in trouble and needs our prayers. The scene from the “Passion” which stands out for so many and affected so many moms is the moment Jesus falls and His Mother runs to his side and lets Him know She is there. He tells her “Behold, I a make all things new.” He can make Mel new yet, so that is my prayer.

  • Irene,

    Gibson’s agents are putting Gibson himself and his misdeeds out in public to get him maximum attention so that he can get the maximum ticket sales for his upcoming movie. Mel is telling the public himself and asking us to be happy for him.

    No! These actions are a poor witness for Catholics and a stumbling block for the whole world. The Lord told us not to judge the state of a man’s soul or stone him to drive him to his final judgment but He did NOT say that we can not judge actions, that is blatantly false, you should be ashamed.

  • Hello Tour;

    Sorry that what I said provoked you. If it makes you feel better, I will be ashamed of myself for trying to point out the hypocrisy of all of those who pass judgement on others publicly. Christ really said that we are not to judge. I will not put a personal interpretation on the words of Christ as you have done. You tell me I must be ashamed of myself in order to justify you having a right to make your judgements. I get it. It’s all about you not being judged, for making judgements.

  • “the whole point here is that Mel Gibson has exposed HIS OWN faults of the world to see. He is an A-list celebrity and knows that every move he makes will be covered by the media. He went out of his way to present himself to the world as an exemplary Catholic, then announces on national teevee that he is having a child out of wedlock with a woman other than his wife.”

    What was he supposed to do as a Catholic man and father? Deny paternity of his illegitimate child like John Edwards? John Edwards tried to cover up his deeds by pushing the woman to abort their child, and when that failed, he tried to fake a DNA test. Should Gibson neglect in his duty to support his youngest child and raise her in the faith? As you say, he is an A-list celebrity and everything he does is covered by the media. The tabloids were reporting about the pregnancy before he announced it. What else could he have done besides recognize her to the world?

    This extreme stigmatization of out of wedlock children does nothing but support the culture of abortion.

  • “What else could he have done besides recognize her to the world?”

    Certainly acknowledge the child and say that he will support the child and try to be a good father. Then follow this by a heartfelt public apology to his wife and his children for his adultery and a promise that he will amend his life and sin no more. While he is doing that he could also pledge to stop drinking. Not on the list would be having his crazy father determine that his first marriage was invalid, and marrying his partner in adultery.

  • Mr McClarey, this is a rumor. Where is your proof that this happened? How irresponsible of you to try to make rumor into fact by writing your last sentence. Down boy!

  • Yeah Irene, I’m sure Mel had crazy Hutton declare his first marriage invalid because he is not planning to marry his shack up. Sheesh!

  • Personally, I cannot see how people could have thought Mel was a Catholic icon. He starred in movies where he was having sex with women. There was nudity and I always felt so sorry for his wife due to his participation in this. He would not let his kids go to some of his movies — so I heard — How could he? No one should be shocked. Yes, he needs our prayers, but then we all do. Especially those who think it is okay to watch pornography in movies and receive communion on Sunday without confession and without true sorrow. It is the Catholic faith. I did not make it up. Pornography is a mortal sin — read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Church put it out for all of us, and we are responsible to live according to Christ’s teachings. You can find a copy for ten dollars probably at your local doicese.

  • Michael (Sunday 7th), are you suggesting that we not pray for people and their weaknesses because it is arrogant? Do fall prey to the evil one my friend. Praying is exactly the thing we should do. Your point about not wanting our family members exposed is moot, as are your points about defeatism and Christianity. One’s sins are not entertaining (except for the Jerry Springers of the world), the guy needs prayer, so I prayed. It’s called Christian charity – not defeatism.
    Blessings.

  • ooppps…I meant (obviously) to say “Do not fall prey…”

  • Yeah McClarey, you know it all I see. There is no reasoning with prejudice born out of rumors. The only crazy declarations here are your unfounded accusations. Sheesh!

  • Donald McClarey, you are a great example of someone who thinks they have the right to tell others how they must publicly repent. Who are you, sir, to specify how and in what manner ANYBODY, let alone Mel Gibson, must engage in public confession?
    Your hubris is amazing.
    You start first. We are all waiting for YOUR public confession.

  • This might be shocking to a lot of people but let me remind everyone that even the holiest person will commit sins.

    Mel Gibson wasn’t even close to holy except for making a movie about our Lord. Let us pray for his conversion as we ourselves fall and rise up again many times in our lifetime.

    That is why we pray everyday for the gift of final perseverance….

  • First of all, his marriage was unevenally yoked. His wife is a non-Catholic to begin with, and she never converted from what I read during the time the Passion Movie came out! So why was there a need for annulment?

    His human actions have spoken louder than words! When one is vunerable and weak in their faith it’s make it easier for Satan to take over one’s soul. So this means we as humans should be on guard because Satan is just a step behind us to hook us into the obbess.

  • AMEN! Tom

    That Excortcism Prayer was best said for this cause. I hope that our Prayers reach Heaven and God’s ears in Jesus Name Amen. Not only for Mel Gibson but for all of us not to fall into Temptation, and Deliver us all from evil. Amen

  • “Donald McClarey, you are a great example of someone who thinks they have the right to tell others how they must publicly repent. Who are you, sir, to specify how and in what manner ANYBODY, let alone Mel Gibson, must engage in public confession?
    Your hubris is amazing.”

    Actually your willingness to overlook abominable behavior by a celebrity is what is amazing. Gibson is the one who chose to live his live his life in the public spotlight. Gibson is the one who chose to engage in adultery and destroy his marriage, humiliating his wife and kids. Gibson is the one who thinks that his crazy father can annul his marriage. Gibson was looked up to by quite a few Christians and he threw it into the gutter. His bad behavior has been in full view of the public and so should his contrition, although there seems to be precious little evidence thus far that he has any. If pointing out this forcefully to people who wish to overlook this is hubris, so be it.

  • No one has suggested or check to see if this man is suffering from male menopause. It is a real problem and doctors are now studying it to determine if men have a change of hormones as they age. This is why they get a younger woman, usually go buy a sportscar when they usually are conservative in their living beforehand. Like living a second teenage period.

  • Of course prayers for Mel and anyone else who stirs up the devil. I knew as soon as he went through with making and finally releasing “The Passion of Christ”..he’d have hell to pay..It’s so sad to see this happen for now, but again we all know who is in charge. It’s just that simple. So cover him in prayer and BELIEVE. We all need to be on guard.

  • “So why was there a need for annulment?”

    A marriage recognized by the Catholic Church is ALWAYS presumed to be valid until proven otherwise via a legitimate annulment process. This includes marriages between Catholics and non-Catholics. The same goes for marriages between two non-Catholics, should one or both later decide to convert — they do not have to marry again in the Church unless there is reason to believe their marriage was invalid.

    One of the earlier posters may have had a point about how seeking prayers for someone experiencing a personal crisis CAN become an excuse for airing their dirty laundry or spreading gossip about them. For an ordinary person who is not a public figure, and whose troubles are not common knowledge, that may be the case. However, in Mel Gibson’s case, his “bad behavior” has indeed been in full view of the public, and he has paraded his relationship with his girlfriend in front of millions of TV viewers.

    A “public repentance” wouldn’t have to be anything dramatic — none of us are suggesting (as far as I know) that he make his next Tonight Show appearance wearing sackcloth and ashes. All he’d have to do is release a statement through his publicist saying that he acknowledged paternity of his youngest child, that he would do whatever he could to support her and the child’s mother, that he regretted the breakup of his marriage and the scandal that he had given to his fans. Then just shut up and stay out of the spotlight for a while.

  • Precisely Elaine!

  • Who are You to expect these things from him Elaine?

    And it’s easy for you McClaren to sit here like a sniper and shoot your crazy accusations about him without showing us proof. You have a lynch mob mentality. You can’t hide your hatred for the man, no matter how you try to disguise it in your outrage and concern over how he lives his life. There are many people on here who at least seem to be concerned for his soul. Your annulment accusations are preposterous. You repeatedly assert this annulment thing as if it were true, without supplying proof. Your pride and self righteousness in spreading scandal provokes the indignation of Our Lord. “thou shalt not bear False witness”. You are not free to talk publicly about the sins of another. It’s called spreading scandal (you have talked about his sins plus added a few unproven whoppers). Spreading scandal and drawing attention to it, is a sin against charity. Spreading falsehoods about someone is a sin against justice. You seem driven to do both.

  • Thanks for the prayer Tom. Said it this morning and will be saying it everyday. Mel needs our prayers & sacrifices. Prayer is so necessary here.

  • dandello, I would like to ask what you have against Catholics? Obeying the Ten Commandments is what it is all about, it doesn’t matter what religion you belong to or if you even have one. RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG. J.M.J.

  • Dandello,

    Anti-catholic attacks will not be tolerated on this of all websites.

  • Donald McClarey, I am not overlooking Mel Gibson’s behaviour, not at all. If I were to overlook it, then I wouldn’t be praying for him, which I do everyday.
    It is a fine line between realizing someone needs prayer (and as apostolic Catholics we are all obliged to try and help others get to heaven) and getting up on a verbal soapbox and spelling it out to someone else what their obligations are… what they should say, how they should say it, etc. That is not yours or anyone else’s concern.
    We as Catholics should pray for those in trouble, but we have no right telling others how and in what manner they are to repent.
    Good grief, if this is what should be done, plenty of good priests would be speaking up and lecturing him on what he should do.

  • “Good grief, if this is what should be done, plenty of good priests would be speaking up and lecturing him on what he should do.”

    You are joking right? The attitude of most of the clergy towards celebrities is typified by the sendoff that Ted Kennedy got at a funeral mass which verged on a canonization ceremony. Priests used to routinely condemn celebrity Catholics who broke the laws of God. Those days are far behind us. Now the only sin for which anyone risks a public rebuke is being “judgmental”.

  • Not so! There are many good priests. Are we to believe that ALL the priests in the world are one monolithic group???

    It is true that most won’t stick their heads up for fear of being ostracized; but there are still plenty of good priests who would indeed speak their mind about it if it were the right thing to do.

    You know, when attempting to help somebody who has fallen, you have to bear in mind the particular circumstances, plus the personality and background of the transgressor. If it is obvious that a person is proud and obstinate, then it is the WRONG thing to do, to heap scorn and attacks on his head. It is well known that for many people, this can drive them deeper into more profound trouble.

    It might make you feel better to get all your frustration off your chest, but the first priority must be careful consideraton of the most efficacious way to help a person come back to God.

    Think of Mel’s personality, as clearly evinced by the roles he has chosen and played. Do you really thinking screaming verbal insults at THIS man is going to work?

    No, no. Give him space, PRAY. It is in God’s hands.

  • Satan attacks us all. I feel very bad for the man because he is a very talented person who has, through hubris and alcoholism, nearly destroyed his life. The last interview he gave I saw him call a reporter an a**h*le after he drank out of a paper cup. I am sure it was full of alcohol. The look in his eyes during the interview was absolutely evil! It went beyond the reaction a person has when he is angry at someone else for insulting them. The look was pure, unmitigated rage. It scared me. When he drinks, it seems his evil comes out and his hubris runs amok.

    Please Lord, help this poor pathetic man, who looks like he just may die soon if you do not help him.

  • Christine you are assuming a lot. You have no way of knowing what he was drinking (more than likely coffee) and how can you say his look was absolutely evil??? This is dreadful.

    I saw the same interview and to me he looked irritated and provoked, not “evil” as you state. Please be charitable.

  • Take a look at the clip again. The look in his eyes was disturbing.

    I did not say he was evil, I don’t make those judgments. I doubt that he is. Alcoholism is an all-consuming disease, however, and he has been quite rageful while under the influence.

    During the interview, with the way his eyes were full of rage and the way he kept leaning forward – it was frightning.

    Trained actors can usually disguise their feelings, especially one as accomplished as Mr. Gibson. I would say that he is one of the better actors of his generation who never received the credit due him. How could he not disguise this emotion? I would think that would be because of alcohol…

    If he wasn’t drinking alcohol from the paper cup, his problems are much worse than I thought.

    I still will pray for him.

  • Again you are making very subjective judgments… because you don’t care for the expression in his eyes. You DID state that “the look in his eyes was absolutely evil”. I repeat, this is a dreadful thing to say about someone.

    I am quite familiar with the disease of alcoholism; it runs in my family and so I am knowledgable about it and the effect it has on the person who is addicted to it; also what it does to families. (By the grace of God I do not personally have trouble with alcoholism.) Even with this background, I would not presume to leap to the conclusion that an actor who was irritated by the questions of a pushy journalist was consuming it, and had an evil look in his eyes!!

    It is wrong to make an assumption like that. It isn’t OK for you to castigate and insult on one hand, and then follow it up with a pious proclamation you will pray for him!

  • Christine, you’re going off the deep end in your presumptions about Gibson. It’s called a cognitive distortion to imagine you can read minds and it would be a delusion of omniscience to believe you know what someone is drinking!

  • McClarey, if your interactions here lead you to hubris, you need a break. You cannot support the kingdom by being submissive to pride.

  • Fallon,

    I’m not supporting anybody’s comments about demonic possession in fact I’m not supporting anyone else’s posting but my own. I don’t know what your concept of sin or ecclesiology are, but insofar as Gibson is baptised, even though he has lapsed from union with the Pope, we see him as some kind of Catholic, someone who is part of the Mystical Body of Christ.

    As part of the mystical body, his actions cause disruption, rupture, and pain to us. His scandal hurts us. It reaches across the world and hurts our hearts. It is an attack. We need to pray for him for his sake but also to protect ourselves and others.

    From the CCC:

    II. RESPECT FOR THE DIGNITY OF PERSONS

    Respect for the souls of others: scandal

    2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

    2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.87

    2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

    Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.”88 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,89 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

    2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. “Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!”90

    This whole passage is Gibson in spades. His power is his celebrity and the good will he had built up while courting Catholics and other Christians to support, advertise, and attend his movie, “The Passion.” He made himself an example and those who claim he’s always been a bad example perhaps weren’t paying as much attention as those who followed the development of The Passion.

  • Perhaps Gibson has portrayed so many roles in his life that he has truly forgotten what he is really like and who he is. He has lost the power to know himself and, along with that, the power to repent. He is like a chameleon taking on the characteristics and conduct of the rogues he has portrayed. Sadly, he has become deranged. Only through the grace of God can he be restored. There are no human efforts that can save him except our prayers. I think right now, Satan is applauding Gibson’s stellar performance as a Roman soldier, yelling, jeering, and scourging Jesus. And that is not hyperbole.

  • Oh my. How is it that you can determine that Mel Gibson:

    1. has lost the power to know himself
    2. has lost the power to repent
    3. that he is deranged
    4. and that he is like one of the Roman soldiers, torturing Our Lord.

    I am truly dumbfounded that you can take it upon yourself to decide such things.

    What is this, open season on Mel Gibson?

    I am guessing it must make those of the Pharisaical persuasion feel really good to make such determinations.

    Please folks, just pray for Mel and leave the self righteous thoughts left unsaid. They can do a world of harm…

  • BooHoo mr. Tour!

    If you and the whole Mystical Body of Christ have been hurt by the actions of Mr. Gibson, then why do continue to draw all of Its members attention to it?

    You are demonstrating an exaggerated rigorism or scrupulosity, manifesting itself in a kind of Jansenistic Puritanism. The results of this are that you have accused Mr. Gibson of so many things that I believe that you are actually inciting others to hate him.

    You are obsessed with him and by him far too much. God will take care of Mr Gibson.

    The prescription for your ailment is to ask God to forgive YOUR sins, especially the unnecessary hatred you have spewed out here.

  • Irene, I think something in your post really hit the nail on the head.

    Many of the posters here are actually cloaking hatred with pious mutterings directing Mel what to do.

    What was it Our Lord said?

    “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

    Who here is without sin?

  • Irene,

    The more you talk, the more you show how out of place you are in a Catholic forum, you’re just here for conflict, the very definition of an internet troll. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a member of the Gibson house church.

    Puritanism is like the extreme opposite pole of sexual licentiousness. To accuse me of Puritanism makes one wonder if you espouse the exact opposite extreme of ideology. If you read more of Aquinas, I’m sure he has plenty to say about that.

    Catholicism isn’t Puritanical or sexually licentious. It teaches that the marital union is GOOD, so good that its misuse outside of marriage is a sin. Gibson has ADVERTISED THIS MISUSE. Believe me, I don’t want to know other people’s business and it was not this blog that made me aware of it, it was Gibson’s own television appearances, seeking public approval. I am merely giving him the attention he so desperately seeks.

    I more commonly hear Puritanism called “Manichean,” in that it seems to say that the body is bad, which would make procreation and union bad.

    Just where exactly are you coming from, ideologically, anyway? You quoted Aquinas, but you don’t even respond to the substance of the Catechism. You either don’t believe adultery is even sinful, or you just don’t believe in the indissolubility of marriage. You are responding to me as if you have conflated all of the posts you don’t like and imagine that I wrote them all, which is unfair.

  • “Take heed to yourselves; if your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him” (Luke 17:3).

    “As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear” (1 Timothy 5:20).

    “This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith” (Titus 1:13).

  • Tour, your second to last post directed at Irene is filled with so many assumptions (for which you have no basis of actual knowledge) accusations (which are unfounded and groundless) and exaggerations that I won’t bother to address them individually. It would take too much time.

    Seems to me you are for some reason consumed with an obssessive hatred of Mel Gibson. You write as though it is the end of the world that this man has fallen from grace. Do you ever pray for those in trouble without first spelling it out repeatedly, ad nauseam, what your *personal opinion* is, of their difficulties??

    Look to the heavens and contemplate God, and stop your public accusations about the troubles of a human being who you don’t know; he doesn’t know you; and I am guessing he wouldn’t want to either.

  • So Mr Tour, you’ve made clear that Mr G is a sinner. Is that news? Who is perfect? Where does this leave you? Are you so desolate that you can’t get over your disappointment that he isn’t the idol you imagined he was? Put not your faith in men. Are you a saint and have never sinned? Where is your public confession you seem to require?

    And, what about the Christian virtue of charity, and things like kindness, and gentleness? Has Mr G promoted himself as a saint? Never once that I know of. He admits to being a struggling Catholic soul like the rest of us (except for you and the other perfect people on the board). Have you ever once considered that maybe there is more (or less!) to the stories that the National Enquirer tells? Seems to me that’s not the best source for a Catholic to get accurate information for which to judge others.

    From the CCC:
    “The fruits of the Spirit are perfections that the Holy Spirit forms in us as the first fruits of eternal glory. The tradition of the Church lists twelve of them: “charity, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, chastity.”

    Above all – Charity

    25 To conclude this Prologue, it is fitting to recall this pastoral principle stated by the Roman Catechism:

    The whole concern of doctrine and its teaching must be directed to the love that never ends. Whether something is proposed for belief, for hope or for action, the love of our Lord must always be made accessible, so that anyone can see that all the works of perfect Christian virtue spring from love and have no other objective than to arrive at love.[19]

  • Bravo Elfriede! Charity does indeed transcend all.

    “the love of Our Lord must always be made accessible”.

    How will Mel Gibson come back to God’s love? By accusations and scorn and endless pointing of fingers? No… by prayers, tenacious prayers.

    In spite of all his difficulties, I am so sure Jesus loves him very much, as He loves us all, everyone one of us sinners.

  • Now now Tour, I see you have sunk to name calling. I find it amusing that now you are frothing at the mouth at me. Are you calling me a sexual pervert with all of that gobbilty gook that you wrote?

    I really pity that you are obviously suffering from something that you are choosing to wallow in and can find no charitable way to express yourself.

    My idealology is simply catholic. I have never confined myself to just condemnation of sinners though. My idealology says “hate the sin, love the sinner”.

    There are many quotes from the bible but you only choose the ones that crazy hell fire and brimstone preachers scream out to make people
    put more money in the collection.

    Get over this stuff before you become any more disturbed.

    It’s either that or “Grab your torch and pitch fork”!

    Plus you sure can dish it out, but can you take it? I welcome criticism. I will take yours under consideration if I can ever figure out what you were trying to say.

  • Well, I am on board with tour86rocker.

    I think someone here is a mole….to cause trouble.

    I am signing out of this site’s postings because now it is getting mean.

    All this article was meant to do was to show us this man needs his Christian family–the Church. We all do.

    Maybe, if we care at the time, we can all continue this conversation in heaven. It surely will be interesting to see how things pan out for all of us.

    Heaven bound, God-willing, Rosanna

  • Rosanna
    That’s presumption. Only the humble get to go there.
    Continue the conversation in Heaven? If Mel Gibson were there with you would you continue with Tour86 to berate him? I doubt it. Who is mean? All this covert aggression using God’s name to beat someone up is pretty stinky. Repent, Hell awaits…

  • You’re absolutely right Rosanna, this was very mean on some peoples part by repeated aggressive attacks against someone, by disguising it in false piety.

    Isn’t it strange how the perpetraters of all of this meaness are the most sensitive to much less than they inflict on others behind their backs.

  • Rosanna, I am wondering at the double standard here. You say the board is mean?? What about all the holier-than-thou stuff which it is apparently “OK” to post endlessly, then when some here stand up for the cause of charity and gentle Christian treatment of a man who needs prayers we are told that we are “moles” causing trouble. How absurd.

    All I know is that if I were Mel and in trouble, and all these strangers were shrieking at me to REPENT REPENT GET HUMBLE REPENT I would run the opposite direction with wild abandon.

    If you REALLY care about his soul, then shut up and get on your knees rather than posting piously about his transgressions.

  • it is sad.
    I feel for his true wife and his children.
    But Mr Gibson was a schismatic Catholic,disobedient to the Holy Father….and it led to his complete abandonment of Christianity.
    He has caused great scandal.
    May Jesus have mercy on his soul

  • Hellooo! His wife divorced him, not the other way around. What part she “served papers on him” is failing to register?

    Complete abandonment of Christianity? So are you saying he is pagan? This is not true. Are you saying that anyone who commits public sins is no longer a Catholic??? That is patently false. Mel Gibson certainly considers himself a Catholic. He thinks the Chair of Peter is vacant (sede-vacantist); he has not turned in his heart against the Roman Catholic Church. By your “logic” anyone who falls from the state of grace is no longer a Catholic, and THAT belief is heretical.

    Please get your facts straight.

  • Perplexed, I totally agree with pretty much all you say. However, aren’t sede-vacanist excomunicated, mainly by their own beliefs and not being in communion with the Holy See?

  • Seems to me this has to be judged on an individual basis, as only God knows a person’s beliefs or intentions.
    For instance, it was covered quite a bit in the news media, when Mel Gibson made the Passion, that he held sede vacantist beliefs (not known exactly what they are though, and as he hasn’t said, we have no right to assume) and I can’t recall any Bishops saying he was excommunicated. Therefore we have to assume he is in the Church. Personally I think he is.

  • perplexed, do you think mel’s father is a sede?

  • yes, I think so. But there are all kinds of sedes. They don’t all hold the same beliefs. So we can say someone is a sede, but we can’t really know their attitudes and beliefs, unless they say what they are.
    He has published stuff, but I have not read it.

  • I’m not Catholic (I’m a born-again Christian), but the truth is, Mel needs to be born-again spiritually like Jesus talked about to Nicodemus in John 3:3 where He said, “Unless a person is born-again of water & of The Spirit, they shall never enter the Kingdom of God.” I’m not his Judge, but I’m with Kirk Cameron when he says, “If someone doesn’t ACT like they’re a Christian, then it basically means they’re not! Period! End of story!” Furthermore, the problem I have with Catholicism is that I don’t need a priest to forgive me of my sins, when I already have one: Jesus Christ Himself(Pretty much cuts out the middleman, now doesn’t it?!)! Also, the Bible specifically tells us in Mathew 23:9 not to call ANYBODY “Father” except for our own earthly fathers & God Himself, period! Basically, the verse reads, “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” So basically, when you refer to a Catholic priest as “Father so-and-so”, you’re basically disobeying God!
    Lastly, while I DO KNOW that THERE ARE some born-again Catholics inside the Catholic church, there’s also too much Mary worship going on inside there. I can tell you this, that Mary herself is no doubt looking down & is very disturbed by this! I have no doubt in my mind, that if she were here, she’d tell all these people who worship her so much inside the Catholic church to, “CUT IT OUT!” & worship her Son, Jesus, directly instead. And at the risk of offending some people, I’m here to tell you that The Pope can’t save you, Catholicism can’t save you, & only by being born again spiritually by asking Jesus into your heart, TURNING FROM & REPENTING of your sins, & putting your faith & trust in Him can you be saved! I’m sorry, but the Catholic church has gotten WAAAAAY too far off track from it’s founder, Paul’s, original vision. And I know one thing, when it comes to the three things that I described that the Catholic church is doing that NO CHRISTIAN–Catholic or not–should be doing, Paul would be, well(To make a bad pun!), appalled! ‘Nuff said!

    Sincerely,

    Van Miller

    Birmingham, Alabama

  • Cyberman, I guess you have a problem with the Church that Christ instituted. We were all one faith until the Reformation in the 1500’s. Christ said to his Apostles, “who sins you forgive, they are forgiven, who sins you retain they are retained.” There were no denominations when Christ started His Church. Those denominations were made by man. I see many going to therapists at 125.00 per hour. I go to the priest who Christ said I should go to and I come away with peace and sanctifying grace. It doesn’t cost me a dime. That is the way Christ wanted it. Do you argue with Him, who is all Divine and knowing? He knows that if we don’t have the humiility to tell someone our sins, we will not do anything about them. The passage, “go tell your sins to one another”, then why not a priest who Christ gave the power to forgive sins.

  • I agree that he needs our concern and our prayers, not all of the nasty comments and bashing that I’m seeing, especially the way that the media is running away with this. Oh, the blessed media who thrives on judgemental, “bad” news! Has any of you ever heard of someone being under demonic attack/oppression, even possession? Do you not think that just the fact that he gave us The Passion of The Christ, that he would be a prime target of the evil one? Or doesn’t anyone believe in the devil anymore!? I have worked very closely over the past year, hands on, with victims of demonic attack/oppression. In one severe case a monsignor under direction of an Exorcist had to perform more than one exorcism on a home that was experiencing things that you would only think to see in the movies! I personally feel that he is suffering from demonic oppression and is under attack. He shows all of the signs of this. He needs prayers of deliverance, as well as taking steps to seek out help from within the Catholic church. I wish that I myself could contact him with this information, and would be surprised if no one has yet offered this suggestion to him. I propose that an initiative be started to petition prayers for him, and to also offer up masses for him. It’s the least that we can do to show our gratitude for giving us The Passion of The Christ, a movie that was truly blessed by God.

  • I hate to see a gifted artist and someone that was an upstanding Catholic as evidented by the trials he went through for the Passion of the Christ to fall. Rather than judge, its probably better to pray for him. We need role models and we need for Mel to receive the good graces of God to help him through this time period in his personal life. He is lost and I pray that he finds his way back for the sake of himself and his children.

  • I think that Mel is a victim of Satan ever since he made the Passion movie. He was a fairly decent person up until then. As far as I know the alcoholism, verbal racial abuse and current stuff going on, has come about ever since the release of that movie. We do need to pray for him without a doubt, that he turns back to God, and turns his life around.

  • I don’t care what Mel Gibson has said or done, that is his personal business. He has to answer to God not to us for what he has said and done. He speaks his mind like most of us do, and Lord knows I’m not perfect. Just like the Jews, the Catholics, the Christians, the Pagans, and all races and sexes. He is scrutinized more because he is a public figure and that he made a movie that was controversial to some who don’t believe and that makes others to judge him and his Catholic faith. Our Catholic faith is strong and he is human like the rest of us are. It is easier for others to throw stones, he needs help. A true follower of Christ knows of my words and that is to forgive and pray for those who have lost their way from him. I pray for Mel to guide him back to our Father God and for him to get the help that he needs. He needs our prayers; I will never turn my back against him. I will be forever grateful to Mel Gibson for making the greatest movie ever The Passion Of The Christ.

  • Heavenly Father, Your word says that You will never leave us or forsake us. Send Your Holy Spirit to minister to Mel in quiet hours when he searches for peace. Let Your still, small voice whisper to him that he is significant in Your kingdom. Lord, I pray that you reveal your unchanging, unyielding love to him in a way that he will receive. Set him on the right path and use him for Your glory. Amen.

33 Responses to Hollywood Angelology

  • The movie looks demonic.

  • That pretty much eliminates this film for my viewing enjoyment.

    I’ll be watching A Man for All Seasons instead.

    Can I assume that the title of the movie is in reference to the demon Legion in the Holy Gospel of Saint Mark 5:9?

    And he asked him: What is thy name? And he saith to him: My name is Legion, for we are many.

  • Hollywood’s hatred for God is unlimited.

  • I’m going to reserve judgment until I see it. Maybe there’s some crazy plot twists and it turns out to be a good Christian film.

  • RR,

    Paul Bettany also starred as the Opus Dei albino monk assassin.

    Is there a pattern that I am detecting of this English actor?

  • I doubt it. These people absolutely hate God, and they admire Satan for rebelling against him – whether they see that as a reality or a myth, that is who and what they identify with.

  • Some people have pointed out that “the fallen angel” supporting his own messiah sounds like “making the audience root for the anti-Christ.” We have come to this.

  • Here’s a good quote:

    “So, it would appear that just about everything in this movie in relation to the Christian worldview upon which it is supposed to be based has been turned on its head. Now I understand that the producers are trying to spin this as a re-telling of the Old Testament Flood narrative with God giving up on mankind and effectively hitting the reset button, but in no way was God ever depicted as the bad guy in that scenario, so that analogy doesn’t hold up. This treatment of this worldview betrays either an unfamiliarity with the subject matter or an utter disdain for it. At this point one might think it would be time to ask what this says about the folks behind the production of this film, but there is something else that concerns me greater. Similar treatment of the Star Wars or Star Trek universes by a director would stir up a firestorm across the blogosphere the likes of which we have never seen. Yet in this case there is mostly silence. So, what does that say about us?”

    http://www.fusedfilm.com/2009/08/geekgasm-legion-who-are-the-good-guys-again/

  • As an aside, I’ve considered all the light-porn angels we see, such as in Victoria’s Secret ads, are good evidence for existence of the succubus…

  • HK,

    light-porn angels we see, such as in Victoria’s Secret ads, are good evidence for existence of the succubus

    Good catch on that one. I’m sure Victoria Secret won’t like that bit of info.

  • It also says,

    “So, we have a movie where the audience is asked to root for Satan as he tries to protect the Antichrist from being killed by God. Nice.”

    Yes, this is exactly what they want. They’ve been doing it through music for decades, and subtly through film, but now it is out in the open. It is out in the open because they know that now most people either agree with, or are indifferent to, their message – and that even the people who see it for what it is and are appalled by it will do absolutely nothing about it.

    They aren’t just mocking Christianity. They’re spitting in our faces. And there will be millions of fans of this, who have been prepared now for a generation to hate Christianity and above all the Catholic Church.

    I could say a lot more, but I’ll leave it at that.

  • Joe,

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    I could say a lot more, but I’ll leave it at that.

    That would be good for another post don’t you think?

    😉

  • “As an aside, I’ve considered all the light-porn angels we see, such as in Victoria’s Secret ads are good evidence for existence of the succubus…”

    agreed

  • Similar themes have been popular in video games for years, though that’s probably due to historical anti-Christian prejudice in Japanese culture.

  • Why would God try to prevent the second coming of Himself? Seems like a plot point thats either going to end up with a lame explanation or be completely ignored… which is what I’ll be doing to this movie.

  • Tito, the funny thing is, Bettany also played the Catholic doctor Stephen Maturin in Master and Commander with Russell Crowe.

    This story tilts as so very many windmills. The portrayal of God is obviously not a Christian one… what happened to the “for God so loved the world” stuff? What seems at least implied is the standard, superficial-yet-common view of God: angry, vengeful, ready to get medieval on your… you know what. (To be honest, I think many Christians have this view of the Father!) To apply Sheen’s famous remark about the Church more generally… there are many who oppose Christianity, but only a few of them really understand that which they are opposing.

  • “The portrayal of God is obviously not a Christian one…”

    That really depends. I believe the makers of this film fully intend for the audience to accept in their minds that this is the one God, the God of Jews, Christians, Muslims and assorted sects and cults, the God that has been called “Yaweh” and “Jehova.”

    By virtue of what they propose God is doing, no, is not our God. But that isn’t the point. The harm will be done regardless. Movies such as this are both caused by, and contribute to, the moral, spiritual and intellectual degeneracy of our time. I believe this movie has been created to give the open and violent enemies of God, and the open admirers of Satan, something to salivate over. It is a celebration of rebellion against the one true God, who it turns out was a mean guy all along – don’t you see, that Satan guy had the right idea.

    It would be a grave and foolish mistake – and I don’t accuse you or anyone else here of this, mind you – to shrug this off, or get a laugh out of it. At no point in Scripture did God find blasphemy amusing, at no point has the Church found it amusing. It is always something to be taken with the utmost seriousness.

    Finally, I do believe that God is capable of anger, vengeance, and “getting medieval” – but also, as we know, of infinite mercy and love. These are not mutual exclusives. Only to modern man have they become so.

  • Annoys me that 1) it would be *easy* to make this movie OK with at least shallow Christian mythos and 2) they are STILL making everything look like the CGI of The Mummy.

    Lazy.

    To both.

  • One could, in theory, say this is a Gnostic film, and that would be why “God” would oppose the second coming, but it really feels more as if it is an Antichrist film

  • Henry, I thought the same thing initially, but there is no “salvation through esoteric knowledge” theme… then I thought it was simply Manichaean or an even more basic dualism… then I concluded that I was giving the screenwriter et al. *far* too much credit and that the story is too superficial to merit too close a philosophical analysis.

    Joe, I appreciate your comments; I’m certainly not laughing the movie off… as I noted in the OP, I was dumbfounded by the premises. And I agree that God is capable of something analogous to anger… my concern is that we are once again seeing an implicit dichotomy between the OT and NT: the God who seeks to wipe out humanity reminds people — naturally — of the God of the flood, but far too many people fail to realize that the God of the OT is a God of mercy & love… we didn’t have to wait until Jesus to find that out! If you read the Psalms, Hosea or even “boring” Deuteronomy God’s love for His people is apparent and obvious. One of my many concerns about this film is that it will reinforce that false stereotype, even for those who see the more obvious errors in the storyline.

  • I think it hilarious that the new Messiah is discovered in a diner in New Mexico. Does anyone have an idea of which diner in which town?

    There is a level of absurdity which is too far out to criticize or to make mock of.

  • IIRC from the trailer, the town’s sign indicates that it’s named “Paradise”.

    Uh-huh.

  • Chris,

    I thought there could be a sense of inspiration from Pullman going on here, which would both allow for Gnosticism, and allow for the scriptwriter to include it without knowing what he/she is doing.

  • “I think it hilarious that the new Messiah is discovered in a diner in New Mexico.”

    Is his first line “Can I finish my waffle?”

  • I think it hilarious that the new Messiah is discovered in a diner in New Mexico.

    So much for returning in glory.

  • well, Hollywood has hit a new low, really low. They must be getting very desparate at trying to shock us. We all need to write a letter-to-the-editor of our local news papers urging christians, jews and muslims not to spend one dime on this movie that encourages us to rebel against God and side with fallen angels who are supposedly sticking up for us. Sure…thats going to happen.

  • Given the many *fake* “Christian protests” that have gone down, we don’t want to do that.

    Perhaps, more effectively, we could tell a better story?

  • i just saw the movie last night, and the angels certainly did look demonic, and with the due consideration that they “possessed” human bodies in order to take out the “new messiah”… well, at least it explains why they can be killed, i guess. the archangel gabriel is sent to actually kill the baby, which bothered me more than almost anything else in the plot line. the movie itself was cheesy and didn’t give any regard to the actual biblical stories, one that it even references. i was still resting under the impression that God has promised that He will never kill his children off again.

    but in the end, He is supposed to have come to his senses because of saint michael and realized that humanity is still good and He still loves them, so i suppose it has a happy ending after all.

  • also, i feel it important to add that the angels who possessed aforementioned bodies came with flies, which was, i was always taught, a sign or demons/satan. this is just a bad movie based shallowly on the end of days, with a few out-of-context biblical references and some “get your life straight” lines sprinkled in.

    overall… i wouldn’t give it much more thought than given to constantine or any number of movies fitting the same motif.

  • Emma,

    Thanks for the update! Interesting ending as you said.

    Chris B.,

    Tito, the funny thing is, Bettany also played the Catholic doctor Stephen Maturin in Master and Commander with Russell Cr

    Stephen played a cynical character that doubted and questioned tradition. His only saving character trait was that he helped secure the capture of the French frigate while disregarding his selfish impulse of continuing his naturalist research.

  • Finally saw it. I don’t think it was really anti-Christian. Despite the premise, religion doesn’t feature prominently. You’d think there’d at least be some religious imagery. Nothing. It must’ve been one of the dumbest movies I’ve ever seen. There’s so many holes in the story you wonder if the writers even thought this through. Watched it with my mother who was laughing. It’s that ridiculous.

  • Better than Hollywood angelology, or even the new novel Angelology, is a true life story of a musician and a life with angels and their teachings for the world today.

    See it at Amazon. Angels on My Stage: The True Story of Eddie Benitez

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  • Surely I can’t be the *only* Lost fan here…

  • I used to be a Lost fan, but they lost me due to a combination of their erratic schedule, certain stupid plot turns, and other priorities in my life. Frankly, I’m surprised to hear it’s still in production. Perhaps this is the season where you’ll see Jack on water skis trekking back to the island with only a ramp and a shark between him and the island.

  • Rick, Rick, Rick… you show have stayed with it. When did you bow out? 2nd or 3rd season? Things got a bit silly for a bit, especially in the early 3rd, but the finale of the 3rd kicked off a non-stop roller coaster.

  • I think it was in the third season that it lost it’s grip on me. I hated the whole Kate/Sawyer/Jack thing (creating romance where didn’t already exist is often a sign of writing weakness). Last I recall seeing was they were off the island, and IIRC, Jack trying to persuade Kate (and Hurley?) to go back.

    Do you suppose it’s possible to pick back up on it after missing so much?

  • Yeah, the consensus — even among the executive producers — is that things got a bit wobbly there at the time you stopped… I don’t blame you. Can you pick it up again? I think so… I’m pretty sure all of the seasons are on Hulu. Really, beginning with that finale, seasons 4 and 5 were strong. Not perfect, but much more like the first season than the first half of season 3.

    FYI!

  • Your opinion provides me with incentive to rent the DVDs. I’ve heard so many good things about it, but have never had the time to watch it.

  • I strongly second Chris’s recommendation! Lost is one of the best dramatic series ever produced for television, notwithstanding some weaknesses in the 2nd half of season 2 and the first half of season 3. I lived in Honolulu while they filmed the first four seasons and had the opportunity to see lots of the sets and meet some of the cast. They were always filming all over Oahu, and their set and FX departments were always doing a great job dressing up Honolulu to look like London, Miami, and Sydney. Great show, and gives one a LOT to consider in terms of philosophy. Much better to watch a whole season quickly on DVD, as well!

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  • Too Funny. I won’t see the movie and hate movies that put our military in bad light. I mean come one they are going to get this precious cargo for the knd and gental natives. I can see that is how hollywood sees our involvement in Iraq.

  • Absolutely agree Robert.

    Even Cameron isn’t disguising the fact that this movie is an indictment on our military.

    There is so much hate for our great country, it’s disturbing to see itself manifest in movies now.

    Hopefully it will bomb like every other anti-American film that has been released since 9/11.

Libs Go After Obama, Why?

Tuesday, November 24, AD 2009

In this most recent SNL skit President Obama was skewered… royally.  It’s as if the SNL writers downloaded my thoughts on President Obama’s recent Asia trip, or what is sometimes referred to as his World Apology Tour: Asia Edition, and wrote this skit

The sarcasm is biting and the humor is hilarious.

The question is, why does it seem that his base is turning on him?  Are they realizing that their previous efforts to poke fun at President Obama failed miserably so they turned it up a notch?  Or is this genuine creative license that sometimes hits or miss and in this instance it hit?  Or are they really upset with the excessive spending that President Obama is pushing for?

My guess is that it’s their creative license that finally hit its mark.  I like SNL, but watch it infrequently now that I don’t even have rabbit ears on my tv set to watch the broadcast networks.

This skit certainly got me to smile and lifted up my day ever so briefly.

The most memorable line from this skit is:

“I am noticing that each of your plans to save money involves spending even more money.”

Enjoy!

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  • There’s clearly at least one writer on SNL’s staff with some conservative sympathies (see here and here for other examples).

  • I remember both skits. Pretty good stuff.

    The second link, that of the Olbermann spoof, was so good that Afleck personally called up Olbermann to apologize for the skit.

    What a wimp.

  • Well, this liberal thinks our president is too conservative. And while I may be the most radical person in your commentariat, there are several million Americans who have me beat.

    That said, humor sells. SNL has spoofed every president since Ford. I doubted they had enough Palin material to roll with for eight years.

  • Well, Olberman crashed the closed set while Affleck was rehearsing the sketch…which must have been a little awkward. It’s not surprising that he apologized.

  • Why John Henry, I didn’t know you read the HuffPo! 😉

  • Well, this liberal thinks our president is too conservative.

    I’ll take the bait, Todd. How so?

  • Every President of a pronounced ideological stripe tends to leave the true believers on his side unsatisfied. That was certainly the case with Reagan and many conservatives. Obama is a dream come true for many liberals and worry is growing on the Left that they aren’t getting what they want. For example:

    1. No single payer health care system.

    2. US troops aren’t out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    3. Deep cuts in defense spending aren’t being called for.

    4. No card check.

    5. No Freedom of Choice Act.

    6. Insufficient spending by the Federal government as typified by the calls on the Left for a second stimulus package.

    7. No blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.

    8. No attempts yet to go after “right wing” talk radio through an imposition of a new Fairness Doctrine.

    9. No repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” or the Protection of Marriage Act.

    10. No calls to overturn the filibuster rule in the Senate.

    Partisans of the Left recognize that this is the best opportunity to enact their agenda in four decades. From where they sit Obama is blowing a golden opportunity.

  • Donald,

    I hope they do fail on this farce of a health care bill.

    Lieberman has already said absolutely, unequivocally “no” to any form, delay, etc of the public option.

    Landrieu, Nelson, and Lincoln have hostile constituencies that want NOTHING to do with more public spending.

    I will be praying hard for this bill to die quickly.

  • Wow. I had no idea Donald was a closet liberal. Are you guys going to kick him off the blog for that?

    “I’ll take the bait, Todd. How so?”

    I don’t speak for other liberals, especially the secular ones, but Mr Obama is a conservative in my view because of …

    – pro-death penalty
    – Geithner and money
    – pro-choice (it’s a forty-year status quo, after all)

    He’s just a mainstream politician, no matter how much whining others do because he’s non-GOP. Y’all make the false assumption that we 40% non-GOP and non-Dem, are all tucked in ideologically between your two big parties. Look more closely.

  • We have other Catholics that lean left on this website.

    We all have fidelity to the Magisterium.

  • “Wow. I had no idea Donald was a closet liberal.”

    One does not need to be a liberal Todd to read their sites. The disappointment with Obama is palpable on many blogs of the Left. A typical type of post is linked below:

    http://lesserevilparty.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-hoover.html

  • So, then, Donald, why are you pontificating on what it means to be a liberal? Aren’t there enough conservative things to talk about? Attending to your testimony, counsellor, would be like going to an internet-savvy Muslim to tell me about Catholicism. It just begs the question: what’s the point?

  • “He’s just a mainstream politican…”

    Maybe, but then why did so many of his disciples think he was The One?

  • Mr Obama is a conservative in my view because of …

    – pro-death penalty

    I may be mistaken, but I think the last time an execution was carried out at the behest of a (civilian) federal court was around about 1963, so whatever he might have said to whatever focus group is not likely to have much practical import. (Unless of course you were hoping for judicial appointments that would arbitrarily nullify all capital sentances, as Justice Brennan wished to do).

    – Geithner and money

    You appear to be referring to financial regulatory schemes and modes of recapitalizing the banks. He and Barney Frank have been most problematic in this regard. What appellation would you apply to Yves Smith (lapsed investment banker) and Luigi Zingales (professor at the University of Chicago) who have been most eloquent about the shortcomings of Geithner and his predecessor?

    – pro-choice (it’s a forty-year status quo, after all)

    How very Burkean, you and Jeffrey Hart.

    A purpose of political terminology is to supply and illuminating shorthand. It’s not working out for you (or the folks to whom you speak).

  • “It just begs the question: what’s the point?”

    To answer the question of the post Todd. There is growing concern about Obama on the Left. I find it interesting because Republicans he never had, Independents now are largely in opposition to his administration and even his base is becoming restive. That is a good shorthand description of an administration in trouble.

  • And right on cue Obama scores his lowest approval rating yet:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/24/rasmussen-obama-drops-to-lowest-approval-rating/

  • Okay …

    It’s just so fun to skewer you, Donald. I bet your courtroom opponents had similar fun on occasion.

    I think your politics are off somewhat. When elected, the president’s base was pretty solid among independents–I would have expected registered Dems to support him. Otherwise, he positioned himself (and giverns as) a moderate centrist Democrat. I give him credit for being the first northern Dem to be elected president since 1960.

    But base? Are you serious? These are Democrats you’re talking about. You realize that, right?

  • “It’s just so fun to skewer you, Donald. I bet your courtroom opponents had similar fun on occasion.”

    Normally they do not look like they are having much fun actually.

    “he positioned himself (and governs as) a moderate centrist Democrat.”

    For someone on the far Left Todd I have no doubt that Obama would appear moderate. For those Americans who have not swilled the “progressive” Kool Aide, Obama is quickly becoming president non grata. At 45% Obama is falling back on his Democrat base. Assuming the economy stays in the tank, I am expecting him to decline to 38% to 40% by the Spring of next year, assuming no foreign disaster. After he announces more troops to Afghanistan next week, that might peel off a point or two of the Out-Now crowd.

    You do have my sympathies Todd. It can be hard to vote for a man and then have him revealed as completely inept at the job. You can take solace from this observation however. With Jimmy Carter’s record as president, it will be difficult, although not impossible, for Obama to claim the distinction of worst post World War II president.

  • … or the worst president EVER.

  • Wow! So Pelosi, Kate Michelman, the late Ted Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Obama are “conservatives” on the subject of abortion, because conservatives are always on the side of settled law, no matter what the law happens to be.
    Who knew?

    Nice bit of sophistry. Reminds me of the media trick of referring to the hard-line Russian Communists who opposed Yeltsin in the early ’90’s as “conservatives.”
    It was an entirely inaccurate description but a cute way for liberals to reassure themselves that they are ever on the side of the angels.

  • Tito may be right, Donald. In just one year, Obama is giving Mr. Peanut a run for his money. By 2012, The One might even match the dismal record of Buchanan, who was long thought unbeatable in the “Worst President” category.

    For America’s sake, I certainly hope not, but the possibility *shudder* is there.

  • You might be right Donna. Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit, is saying that a reprise of the Carter Administration is a best case analysis now.

  • It can be hard to vote for a man and then have him revealed as completely inept at the job.

    Given his deficient preparation, it would be a most pleasant surprise if he performs creditably. Todd should have understood this before casting his ballot. Given the severity of our economic problems, one better hope he performs creditably.

    With Jimmy Carter’s record as president, it will be difficult, although not impossible, for Obama to claim the distinction of worst post World War II president.

    No, it will not.

    Mr. Carter’s principal problem was that he lacked the people skills and acquired street smarts to persuade Congress.

    His secondary problem was that his priorities were rather at a variance with those of the majority of the Democratic Congressional caucus; Mr. Carter’s interests: tax reform, civil service reform, energy conservation, and improved methods of public budgeting were more those of a liberal Republican (e.g. Thomas Dewey) that the mode of the Democratic Party of his day.

    Another problem was that he was unwilling to countenance controls on monetary aggregates to restore price stability. Keep in mind, though, that the stable of economists listened to at the elite levels of the Democratic Party misdiagnosed the sources of inflation (as did Arthur Burns) or misjudged how costly it would be to contain it (as did James Tobin).

    All of which is to say that the domestic policy failures of the Carter era had less to do with Mr. Carter’s deficiencies than they did with the wretched matrix in which he found himself. Blame Tip O’Neill, blame Arthur Burns, blame Texas oil patch congressman, and blame the shills of the public employee union in Congress ‘ere you blame Carter.

  • Whenever a discussion like this veers to Jimmy Carter, the Republicans have gotten bored with the notion of the Left laughing at President Obama.

    In political cycles like these, it’s easy enough to find the worst presidents. But I can’t pass up the opportunity for the bogus administration of Bush the Second: inattention on terrorists, then still-unsolved anthrax. Let’s not forget a souped-up homeland security department, followed by an inability to deal with a homeland natural disaster. Two wars, not well thought-out, incompetently run.

    Honestly, I think y’all are still smarting from getting thrashed in the last two national elections. Let it sink in: by your own admission, you’ve been routed by the worst president in history. Seven more year, my friends. Seven more years.

  • “Seven more year, my friends. Seven more years.”

    Actually Todd it is 13 more months and change before the Congress elected in 2010 is seated. Enjoy the next year Todd. I think you and your ideological think-a-likes are going to be in the political wilderness for a very long time.

  • to Jimmy Carter, the Republicans have gotten bored with the notion of the Left laughing at President Obama.

    It’s a small topic, needing few words.

    you’ve been routed by the worst president in history. Seven more year, my friends. Seven more years.

    The man is an empty suit; the Administration and Congress have done flat nothing to address a most wretched banking and financial crisis, and ignored sachems like Paul Volcker and Luigi Zingales; he has squandered months attempting to build a policy monument to himself in the form of a hopelessly baroque medical insurance program (which ain’t gonnal look good if we have a failed Treasury bond auction); he allowed David Obey, et al to turn a needed macroeconomic stimulus into a patronage free-for-all; and he Rahm Emmanuel, a monster of arrogance whose personal history suggests Latin American levels of corruption, in charge of his executive office staff. You want seven more years of this????

  • “The man is an empty suit …”

    That empty suit still beat your war hero and perky governor. And it wasn’t even close.

    “You want seven more years of this?”

    I’m going to enjoy watching conservative heads spin until 2017, at least. You’re far more entertaining this way. The only thing that would be better would be a third party to vault ahead of the Dems and leave the GOP third in a 3-way race. Then I’d get to watch conservative Dems twist in the wind, too.

    I agree, Tito, that corporate banks and insurance are a complete mess. It wouldn’t have been different under McCain, and we know it was BAU under Bush II.

    If we were suddenly to see Ron Paul and pre-pro-choice Dennis Kucinich surge into the fore, then we’d have some excitement.

  • I read what you write; the President’s suit is not the only thing that is empty. Happy trails.

  • Art, it doesn’t seem you read terribly carefully. Like many conservatives, you assume that just because I disagree with you on one point, I disagree across the board. There is a distinction between being the bearer of bad news and actually causing the calamity oneself. Take the last word, friends. This has been a tough one for you; you’ve earned it.

  • Actually, I tend to think it was George W Bush that beat “the war hero”. The Democrats could have nominated anything from Charles Manson to a lobotomized lab rabbit to a gooseberry pie and it would have won by the same margin.

  • Todd, have you checked Gallup or Rasmussen in the last couple of days? They’re a bit more accurate than Daily Kos online polls.

    I live in a very liberal area. If I confused the entire country with the folks in my neighborhood I would be very glum indeed.

    Todd, you need to get out more.

  • The Democrats could have nominated anything from Charles Manson to a lobotomized lab rabbit to a gooseberry pie and it would have won by the same margin.

    I don’t know about that. Charles Manson would have had a hard time delivering the minority vote in usual numbers. The lobotomized lab rabbit was even a drag to the ticket as VP running mate, and the gooseberry pie was too much of a girly-man for most voters.

  • Actually, I tend to think it was George W Bush that beat “the war hero”. The Democrats could have nominated anything from Charles Manson to a lobotomized lab rabbit to a gooseberry pie and it would have won by the same margin.

    Darnit, Rick beat me to the punchline!

    Cheers!

  • Found this and just wanted to post it. No SNL skit, or funny, but straightforward truth.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16905

Magnificent

Monday, October 26, AD 2009

The song is called Magnificent by the musical group U2.  It was a minor hit in both the United Kingdom and the United States in A.D. 2009 (and a major hit in Greece).

Some entrepreneurial YouTuber recreated the music video and turned it into a pretty decent contemporary ‘Christian’ music video.  The music video now celebrates the Triune God, the Eucharist, of course the love of God all coupled within a strong Pro-Life message.  There’s even a guest appearance of His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI!

(Biretta Tip: Meg)

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  • Thanks Tito, that was awesome.

    I suspect a couple of scenes from Godzone.

    The budding tree fern – known as pikopiko – from which the ensignia, the koru, is designed – the ensignia on Air New Zealand aircraft, amonst other things.
    And secondly, the huge tree. I think it is a photo of our two thousand year old kauri tree – known to the maori as Tanemahuta – the “god” – or old man , of the forest, situated in the Waiapu forest in Northland, NZ. This tree was just a seedling when Christ was born.
    Thanks.

  • Don the Kiwi,

    Thanks for explaining some of those scenes from the music video.

    You live in a beautiful country.

    By the way the name of the Waiapu forest is very similar to Hawaiian. Are Maori of Polynesian descent? I grew up in Hawaii and I recognize the word structure of many of the Maori words and they are strikingly similar to Hawaiian!

  • Isn’t Bono, U2’s lead singer, Catholic?

    I have caught him several times wearing a rosary around his neck during a concert or other public performance.

  • Hi Tito.

    Yes, Maori are Polynesian. They call themselves “Te Maori” which simply means “the people”.
    Go to Wikipedia or google, insert “Polynesian Triangle”. This is a vast area of the Pacific, drawing lines from NZ in the Sth. west, to Hawaii in the North, and Easter Island in the Sth.East. Maori populated all these islands, and those in between – Tonga, Saomoa,Cook Is., Tahiti etc. They were amazing navigators. NZ was settled by maori from around the 8th century AD, in large ocean going canoes – two lashed together forming catamarans – the bulk of them arrived in 12th and 13th centuries.
    e.g. the Takatimu canoe – or “waka” the maori word – which landed here at Tauranga in the Bay of Plenty, left Takatimu beach on the island of Rarotonga in the Cook Islands, probably in the 12th.century. A young maori guy who worked for me, his tribe have in their verbal history the canoe leaving Takatimu beach. About ten years ago he went over to Rarotonga – the people there (who also call themselves “Te Maori”) recounted virtually the same story in their verbal history. He met all his relatives. Maori have a strong family association – they know their family history – or “whakapapa” – very well ; the old ones teach it to the young ones still. Maori culture is very strong and has undergone a revival over the past 50 years, to the extent that now, we use the maori language in some of our prayers at Mass – especially the Sign of the Cross.
    I was in Hawaii in 2002 – spent a week on Oahu, mainly in Honolulu. I also noticed the similarity in the languages. Its interesting, that before Europeans “discovered” the Pacific, a maori from NZ could have gone to Tahiti (whence Hawaii was populated) or Hawaii, and would have been understood. (provided they didn’t eat him first 😉

  • Not sure about the accuracy, but I read somewhere this summer that “Magnificent” is based on the Magnificat…sure can make the heart swell the same way!

  • I was wondering if it was a play on words done by the songwriter regarding Magnificat and Magnificent.

  • It was a minor hit in both the United Kingdom and the United States in A.D. 2009 (and a major hit in Greece).

    Your tone here suggests that you are now approaching blogging as a sort of time capsule, speaking to aliens from the future. Why?

  • Michael,

    Illegal or legal aliens?

Harry Potter and The Half-Witted Media

Thursday, July 16, AD 2009

My family and I are fans of the Harry Potter films, so we will definitely be joining quite a few other Muggles in trekking to a theater to do our bit to make J. K. Rowling wealthy enough to buy a few smallish nations.  I have never read any of the Harry Potter books, although one of my sons and my daughter have read all of them, as has my wife, who has read them in several languages other than English.  (Yes, I did marry above my intellectual station in life.)  I don’t read any great message into the Harry Potter phenomenon, other than that there will always be a market for escapist fiction with good guys, bad guys, and a definite beginning, middle and end, laden with action, humor and sentiment.

I did find it intriguing that L’Osservatore Romano gave an overall enthusiastic review to the latest film, or rather I found the reaction to the review intriguing.  Damian Thompson  celebrates this here as a Vatican about face on Harry Potter and takes a swipe at Americans and Italians while doing so, reminding us yet again why Brits are so beloved the world over.  Robust British ethnocentrism notwithstanding, I think Mr. Thompson and much of the media are wrong as playing this as some sort of reversal in Vatican policy.  (As if the Vatican has a Harry Potter policy!)  True, L’Osservatore Romano had previously published a negative piece on Harry Potter in January of 2008.  A translation of the article is here.  However, this piece ran with a positive assessment of Harry Potter in an article which may be read in English here.   A balanced look at the current review is here.

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  • Donald,

    Cardinal Ratzinger DID NOT give a negative assessment; lifesite is out of it with its story, as has been exposed many times — by many people. Indeed, Potter, for the most part, has always had good reviews from the Vatican; and the one whom Ratzinger suggested was the one to review Potter gives it an enthusiastic approval.

    http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=26

  • Thank you for the additional information. As I indicated in my post the Cardinal was a busy man who probably wouldn’t know Hogwarts from a Hole in the Ground. If the Pope is even aware of the controversy, I assume he is bemused by it.

  • Donald, I think you’re being a bit unfair to Damian Thompson. He doesn’t take a swipe at Americans in general but at American fundamentalists who attacked the Harry Potter books for being Satanic. That does not constitute anti-Americanism, just as disliking the antics of British soccer hooligans does not make one anti-British. I have no knowledge of “Italian child culture,” but Thompson’s comment seems to puzzle (but not offend) an Italian commenter on his site. The “robust British enthocentricism” in DT’s post escapes me.

    I like “Holy Smoke.” If American Catholics sometimes feel outgunned by the prevailing secular culture, imagine how British Catholics must feel.

  • Donna, perhaps my reaction to Mr. Thompson’s post was remembrance of similar examples of his past bashing of non-Brits.

    For example, here, citing an unnamed authority on Irish affairs, he blames the abuse by some of the Irish Brothers on some of the kids in their charge to the fact that they were Irish:

    “He explained that Ireland has for centuries tolerated levels of domestic violence and alcoholism that are much higher than those in other Catholic cultures. There’s no single, neat explanation for this – but the brutality of English colonial oppression certainly rubbed off on society. Rural Ireland until the 1970s was basically a Third World country; it still had a peasantry (thanks in part to the English) that was, by definition, very badly educated. We’ll never know for sure how many fathers of families were violent drunks, but the proportion was high compared to most of Europe. And this is the culturally and intellectually impoverished class from which many of the Christian Brothers were recruited.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/9918669/The_latest_child_abuse_scandal_is_as_Irish_as_it_is_Catholic/

    In short, what else can one expect of a bunch of drunken Irish peasants?

  • The link Henry provides is a pretty good description of the O’Brien/Lifesite caper in regards to the pope and Harry Potter.

    Reading it, I’m pretty amused to find who a Lifesite staffer sees as the true butt of their little coup:

    But you should hear the neo-catholics screeching at us! Every time we go after Harry the Weigelites come after us with knives sharpened. They really REALLY hate to have their complacent little tea party with The World disturbed by difficult truths hey?

    Those Weigelites! Enemies of small groups of right thinking Catholics at all corners of the spectrum.

  • *giggles* Weigelites?
    Do folks ever read what they’re writing?

    What are they talking about? Googles for ‘”harry potter” lifesite weigel’ don’t turn up anything but spam sites.

  • Harry Potter is but an Avatar of Satan and the Weigelites are merely his minions bent on imposing a Neocon agenda upon the rest of America, if not, the whole world!

    All those who have the sheer gall and moral system so deplorably deficient that they would not only so desire but would actually go see the latest Harry Potter movie (and all or any of the previous) serve him that is Legion and, indeed, are part of the same satanic conspiracy that is Weigel.

  • Rural Ireland until the 1970s was basically a Third World country; it still had a peasantry (thanks in part to the English) that was, by definition, very badly educated.

    The ‘British’ are not a problem; it is their journalists and public intellectuals who are so repellant.

    Pace this fellow and Mr. Derbyshire, Ireland ca. 1975 had a per capita income about 40% that of the United States, which placed it on the boundary between what the World Bank conventionally refers to as ‘middle-income countries’ and ‘high-income countries’. It was more affluent than Argentina or Uruguay or Israel and only modestly less so than Spain. I cannot refer you to any academic studies but I can refer you to this work, part of a series of travelogues issued by Time-Life. There is a discussion of the Irish school system therein where it is praised for being abnormally effective in imparting literacy all up and down the social strata. You will note the publication date.

    Title: Ireland,
    Author(s): McCarthy, Joe, 1915-1980.
    Publication: Time-Life Books
    Edition: [Rev.].
    Year: 1964
    Description: 160 p. illus. (part col.)
    Language: English
    Series: Life world library;

  • Hilary is Hilary White, and she is definitely on the side of the angels, as it were. While she is more than capable of defending herself, I like her and am compelled to chime in lest it turn into a bash fest.

    Having read the books, I can’t say as I understand how people work themselves into firestorms about HP.

  • I am pleased to offer my full-throated endorsement of the Time-Life series cited by Art Deco. While you can’t use them as current guides, obviously, they are pretty solid sources of info (the Great Ages of Man volumes from the same time-frame are also magnificent).

    In fact, I’ve been uniformly delighted with the quality of the T-L series across the spectrum, from history to gardening, and wish they were still in the book publishing business.

  • The Time-Life series on the Civil War is also first rate.

  • Well, I think Damian Thompson is a sensible fellow most of the time, so we will have to agree to disagree.

    Interested in a few more ethnic sterotypes? The “wise Latina woman” is guestblogging at Iowahawk’s:

    Think of the Constitution as our base ingredient: a bland, tasteless broth of boiled white tripe. Doesn’t sound so tempting, does it? Now here’s where the fun comes in: all of the cooks gather in the cocina and bring their own special secret ingredients to the mix. Souter salts the pot and Roberts adds Wonder Bread and mayonnaise; Breyer the lox and cream cheese. Thomas drops in fried chicken, and Alito and Scalia spaghetti. Now here comes Kennedy with corned beef and potatoes. Stevens adds the Metamucil. Now we’re cooking! Finally, I stir in my special picante blend of Latina legal spices. What started as a boring simple broth is now a delicious crazy justice stew — that tastes different every time!

    And after the menudo is finished, we will go out into the hot evening air of the Supreme Court plaza for drinks. Sangria and Irish whiskey, 2% milk and Colt 45 Malt Liquor. The night breeze is intoxicating, no? Now it is time for the music of justice! The instruments will be taken out, like the Buena Vista Social Club. Carribean drums and mazurkas, the blues guitarra and the bagpipes, creating the caliente salsa beat of la ley! Bailando en la calle, everybody! What’s that Justicio Juan Roberto? You are too white and do not have the ritmo to do the dance? Let wise Latina Justicia Sonia show you the steps! Meringue, samba, macarena! ¡Andele! Yes, yes! Lose yourself in the rhythm, Perito Breyer! Together we make the beautiful Constitutional musica together!

  • Oops, I was so busy giggling at the mental image of the justices doing the samba on the Supreme Court steps I forgot to provide the link:

    http://iowahawk.typepad.com/

    The obit for California is also a hoot.

  • Thank you Donna. I’ve been a bit busy today and I hadn’t had an opportunity to read Iowahawk and that piece is well worth reading!

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No Opinion

Sunday, June 28, AD 2009

Mr. Jackson and colleague

Farrah fawcett

When you are a blogger, opinions, usually strong ones, are your stock-in-hobby.  Regular readers of this blog know full well that I am never short of opinions.   However, in regard to the deaths of Farrah Fawcett and the volcanic media eruption upon the death of Michael Jackson, I confess to having no opinions.  I recall Farrah Fawcett vaguely from Charlie’s Angels, a show that sometimes came on when the tv was providing background noise during my college and lawschool years, but if I ever watched more than a few minutes I would be surprised.  Her poster was ubiquitous in the dorms at the time, but the attraction eluded me, something about the smile I found off-putting.  Other than that, nothing as far as I was concerned.

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  • I would second your response. I have never understood the appeal of Jackson’s music. As early as 1984, it was apparent he was a ruin of a man; the years since have been a distasteful freak show. Farrah Fawcett was a journeyman actress who was fetching but otherwise of no special distinction; her passing is of interest to her friends and family.

  • Like many young women in the ’70’s, I spent plenty of time in the bathroom with a curling iron trying to replicate Fawcett’s “feathered” hairstyle. I never once watched “Charlie’s Angels” though, and I forgot all about Fawcett until she was diagnosed with cancer.

    In modern celebrity-worshipping America, the famous seem to be exempt from the rules that govern the rest of us. Except that, ultimately,they’re not – they age, get ill and die just like us lesser mortals. And that seems to shock people who have come to regard the Hollywood crowd in the same light ancient Greek peasants regarded Zeus, Hera and Apollo.

    As far as Jackson goes, well, I liked some of the songs on “Thriller.” I also enjoyed watching him dance on those old MTV videos. But the bottom line is that a 50 year old man who chose to never grow up is an “icon” in today’s world. While undeniably talented (and I think his talent was shown to best advantage in his “Jackson 5” days, when he was a little ball of dynamite), the talent faded and was replaced by weirdness. I think Jonah Goldberg got it right: Jackson’s life was the tragedy, not his death.

  • Apparently, Farrah Fawcett was Catholic and did receive the last sacraments prior to her death. Also, whatever one may think of her out-of-wedlock relationship with Ryan O’Neal (he did recently ask her to marry him, but the proposal came a little too late), I have to give him credit for having come back to her side when she became ill and for standing by her and their son Redmond in their time of greatest need. I seem to remember that their breakup was rather bitter, so I also give them both credit for being able to forgive one another. That’s more than can be said for a lot of celebrity couples.

    As for Jackson, he was undeniably talented, but I too never quite grasped how he became the “King of Pop.” I would bet, also, that if any other 50-year-old man who had never been famous or enormously wealthy acted, dressed, and looked the way Jackson did, and also had been accused of child molestation as many times as Jackson was (even if they were never found guilty), such a person probably would have been treated as an outcast, hounded out of every community he tried to live in, and news of his sudden death would have been greeted with cheers and “good riddance” from the general public instead of mourning.

    The only appropriate response to both these incidents is to pray for the repose of their souls.

  • “such a person would have been treated as an outcast, hounded out of every community he tried to live in”

    Well, maybe not. Elaine, have you ever visited San Francisco? Take a walk through the Tenderloin and you’ll easily spot at least 10 characters who make the late MJ look like a Rotary Club president.

  • “look like a Rotary Club president.”

    As a three time Rotary Club President Donna, I’m afraid you are right!

  • I don’t have an emotional interest in either story…

    I do however have a narrative interest in MJs story. He’s too eccentric of a character to not be curious how he ran his life into the ground.

  • No interest; MJ’s music never connected (and his lifestyle excited only distant pity), and Jill was my least-favorite Angel.

    Celebrity status will doubtless gain extra prayers for the repose of their respective souls, whether heartfelt or simply dutiful. Concerning MJ, at least, that may be the only good thing celebrity ever got him.

  • No, Donna, I haven’t been to S.F. (wouldn’t mind visiting the more scenic and decent parts someday, if I won the lottery or a free vacation to anywhere. I did visit L.A. once). Perhaps I should have amended my comment to say he would have been an outcast in communities other than certain major cities on the Left Coast 🙂

    What I had in mind primarily was the child abuse accusations made against him and the double standard that seems to be showing itself in this case.

    Normally, any time Joe or Jane Average is accused of any kind of child abuse in Anytown, U.S.A., if the local paper even accepts online comments concerning the story, 99 percent of them will be rants about what a scumbag this person is and how they should be executed on the spot, etc. The same comments would likely be made even if the person were acquitted in court; most people would probably still believe he had to have done “something” wrong to have even gotten arrested. Needless to say, the sentiment would be even stronger if such accusations occurred more than once.

    Also, I’d be willing to bet that some of these people who idolize Michael Jackson so much and firmly believe he didn’t do anything wrong, or that if he did it was merely because he was victim of abuse himself (I have NO idea whether that’s true or not), probably look at any man in a Roman collar with extreme suspicion.

  • Normally, any time Joe or Jane Average is accused of any kind of child abuse in Anytown, U.S.A., if the local paper even accepts online comments concerning the story, 99 percent of them will be rants about what a scumbag this person is and how they should be executed on the spot, etc. The same comments would likely be made even if the person were acquitted in court; most people would probably still believe he had to have done “something” wrong to have even gotten arrested.

    I am not sure your proportions are correct, but that phenonomenon is real and disturbing. A large fraction of your neighbors just do not belong on juries anytime, anyplace, anywhere.

  • I guess I was much more upset over the Fawcett thing.She was part of my early days pop culture and all. I have to say though her special on fighting cancer that aired a couple of days ago was something else

  • I was more upset at Billy Mays dying!

    Here’s a guy who was selling products with enthusiasm at 50, while Jackson spent the later portion of his life spending money he didn’t have or spending other people’s money.

The Degenerate David Letterman

Saturday, June 13, AD 2009

David Letterman Degenerate

[Updates at the end of this post below]

I enjoyed viewing David Letterman when he first came out.  He was nerdy, goofy, and most importantly funny.  I eventually stopped viewing his show not because he wasn’t funny anymore, but because I was no longer in college and I needed a good nights rest for the real world, ie, a job.  Once in a while I would catch his show and remember fondly my days of cold pizza and late night study sessions.

I was well aware of his politics, but unlike most liberals, conservatives do have a sense of humor, especially at our own expense.  I was able to suspend my politics to enjoy good humor because I loved to laugh.

Sadly Mr. Letterman went too far recently in one of his jokes.  Maybe he has been doing this for awhile, but I haven’t noticed since I no longer watch his show for the reasons I mentioned above.

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  • I stopped watching him years ago for the same reasons. I also gave up cable and broadcast TV for similar reasons (everything I need to know news, weather, or entertainment-wise I can find online anyway).

    Why, oh why, did Letterman have to follow up the excellent fisking he did on Governor Blago — which was actually better by far than a lot of “straight news” MSM interviews that were done with him — with crap like this? I suppose it was a case of a stopped clock being right twice a day 🙂

  • Yes, I stopped watching cable. And since I haven’t gotten my digital converter box, I haven’t watched rabbit ears television since this past Thursday. And I might add that it’s a good thing.

    You are correct, all the news I need I can get online and unfiltered, ie, without the leftist bias you get from most broadcast and cable networks.

  • Although as a former (newspaper) journalist I can’t help but feel there is something not so good about people being able to pick and choose only the news they WANT to hear, ignore what they don’t agree with, and find “evidence” to confirm just about any theory no matter how ridiculous.

    Of course, I realize that in the allegedly good old days when everybody watched Big Three network news, read daily newspapers, etc. they were not getting an entirely objective point of view. I make an effort to read a variety of news and politics blogs and I even listen to (gasp!) NPR News, which, no matter how liberally biased it may be, gives you information you don’t get anywhere else.

    To me the real problem with broadcast television news is that the amount of information it can provide is severely limited and inevitably lacks perspective. Plus, the nature of the medium requires visuals and relies heavily on conflict to attract attention.

    There’s nothing like watching on TV a story you just covered for a newspaper, or actually lived through or been part of, to make you turn off TV news for good 🙂

  • You make excellent points.

    But I find that I can get more accurate information online than I can watching Katie Couric babble on about the latest liberal talking points.

  • It’s disingenuous to say Letterman made the joke about Willow Palin. He later said that wasn’t what he meant, and we have no reason to assume Letterman even knew Sarah had brought Willow to New York. I didn’t know, and I automatically understood the joke to be about Bristol Palin. Bristol is 18, so the joke didn’t involve rape. Making the joke about an 18-year-old girl is bad, but not as bad as about a 14-year-old girl. David Letterman’s degeneracy ought to be evaluated on the basis of accurate information.

  • Disingenuous?

    It was Willow that attended the game.

    Regardless if it was either one of them the joke is simply disgusting.

  • Sarah Palin looks so pathetic and desparate. IMO, It’s Palin who is embarrasing her daughter.

  • Yep Palin is the one who looks pathetic and desperate, not the aging 62 year old comedian making sex “jokes” about the teenage daughters of a politician he hates in an attempt to convince the public that he is still edgy and cutting edge and not a tired man near the end of his career, who is so out of it that he can’t be bothered to get the facts straight on a news item before making an insipid attempt at humor.

  • I didn’t know most liberals don’t have a sense of humor.

  • Dave said that his joke was in bad taste and he regrets it but that he was talking about the adult Bristol Palin. He said he agreed with Sarah Palin that sexual jokes about minors are off limits. IMO, Sarah Palin is in the wrong for assuming the worst of Dave. Dave never makes any mention of under-age girls. In fact, the joke would only make sense if they were referring to Bristol Palin.

  • A first rate post on this subject at Protein Wisdom:

    http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=2844

  • Too bad a Hoosier and a maybe somewhat basketballer has gone down this road. He’s real far from his roots. I attended Mass a few times in Evansville, southern part and even down there, there were Notre Dame coats and everything, this about 12 years ago.

    I saw Gov. Palin on CNN today but wasn’t able to watch the interview. I think she did well in responding to this, a well-balanced response.

    I worked in the business office of a Middle School which had a bunch of that age girls, including a lot of those Hmong we have in St. Paul. Just no way should one say these things and if there is confusion about who Letterman meant, he shouldn’t have said it or at least clearly identified who he meant.

  • Dang, Donald–Mr. Protein is spot on.
    The Palins also have a lot more in common with my redneck neighbors than do most of the inside-the-beltway-types. And she’s popular here in Geawgia.
    (One bumper sticker I noticed on a dusty pickup during the campaign last year stated, “I’m for Palin and the white-haired guy.”)

  • He is nothing more than a degenerate human being…. Oh, and lets not forget that we do need to pray for him…

    Oh brother, Tito!

    Surely you’ve written countless blog posts about Rush Limbaugh’s sexist humor, right? I mean, that’s way more common. Can you link to some of your posts on him in which you call him a “degenerate human being”?

  • Yeah, you just have to LOVE the response of those defending Letterman and slamming Palin because “he was really talking about Bristol” and she’s “assuming the worst about poor misunderstood Dave”.

    Is that REALLY how low we’ve sunk to in this country? Since when were the kids of politicians EVER fair game for this kind of crap? It wasn’t cool when Limbaugh made fun of Chelsea Clinton’s looks and it’s not cool now when EVERYONE piles on Palin’s kids.

  • Yes. I despise double standards.

  • This response “The Palins also have a lot more in common with my redneck neighbors than do most of the inside-the-beltway-types. And she’s popular here in Geawgia.
    (One bumper sticker I noticed on a dusty pickup during the campaign last year stated, “I’m for Palin and the white-haired guy.”)”

    It absolutely baffles me as to why she gets such criticism.

  • CMinor: So, would you find Palin more tolerable and likeable if she was making jokes about mentally challenged children on National Television? Is that what you are saying??

  • Tom your last two comments seem odd to me. I am pretty certain that cminor was not criticizing Palin, and I do not believe that cminor made any comment in this thread that is applicable to your last comment.

  • I do not have a problem with political jokes. Period.

    I expect the late night shows to poke fun at the political class.

    I laughed when Clinton was beat every night with jokes. I laugh at those about Obama, and did so with the latest Palin ones.

    I do not think we need to have anyone say if a joke is over the line or not. Folks at home can make that decision with the remote. To be honest I did not hear about the jokes until Palin let the press release fly. Had I been watching I would have laughed and not been insulted.

    Bristol, is an adult. She is fair game. She goes on national TV for interviews and has now put herself out there.

    In a larger context, I think once Sarah Palin put her whole family `out there’ for political purposes in 2008, her son the warrior in Iraq, her troubled daughter who was pregnant, her husband who had worked with a group to have Alaska secede from the Union, then I think Sarah made them all fair game. Politics is a tough business. That is not news. Sarah however decided her goals were/are more important than that of her family.

    And NO ONE..execpt Sarah Palin when she tried to make a political point about Letterman by USING her family again in a press release….thought Letterman was talking about anyone except for Bristol Palin. NO ONE. And NO ONE thought there was any rape at all in the joke. NO ONE…except Sarah Palin who wanted some press……at her family’s expense.

    Sarah Palin uses her family, and then some conservatives get all excited because she gets what she wants with the media hype.

    Sarah can not have it both ways.

    So in conclusion…….

    Listen to the Letterman joke then…..

    Read the Palin press release….

    Since there was no mention of the 14 year old in the joke….

    But there was mention of the 14 year old in the press release…..

    Ask yourself who is really to blame for this whole affair.

  • “Ask yourself who is really to blame for this whole affair.”

    An idiot fading comedian who gets cheap laughs attacking the teenage daughters of a politician he despises in order to hang on to his moment in the spotlight, and people sick enough to think the hatred disguised as humor is funny.

  • I also love the comments blaming Palin for “putting her kids in the spotlight.” As if Andrew Sullivan hadn’t spent months sickly obessessing about who Trig’s “real” mother was. As if the Palin family wasn’t trashed mercilessly by the media from the second they appeared at the GOP convention. Obama and Biden had their children onstage at the conventions too, but only conservative Republicans “exploit” their children, it seems.

    Now Palin has found she can’t even take her daughter to a sports event in New York without being slimed. I’m convinced that liberal hatred of Palin’s pro-life views is at the heart of this. Palin committed the unforgivable sin of giving birth to a Downs syndrome child. Her daughter had an out-of-wedlock baby instead of an abortion. For that the Palins must be ridiculed endlessly, months after the election.

  • Having been brought up in the television days of Jack Benny and Bob Hope and such good comedians, I think I am missing a point. Was Mr. Letterman’s crude remark about an 18 year old girl a joke?

  • Willow was the one at the game, not Bristol. So the comment was directed at her. Not that the same joke leveled at an 18 year woman is somehow OK. Actually, if I were A-Rod, I’d also be offended at the insinuation that I’d molest a 14 year old if given the chance.

    In the meantime, I’ve somehow missed Letterman’s “edgy” jokes about Biden’s kid with the drug addiction. (And yes, I thought Limbaugh’s joke about Chelsea’s looks was mean and uncalled for.)

    Even NOW, an organization with little love for Palin, has criticized Letterman. But those whose partisanship has dulled their sense of decency will go on excusing that unfunny old has-been.

  • Donna V:
    I believe that you nailed it – Palin’s pro-life stand is what the libs truly hate.

  • This is just absurd. It was not a joke, it was an obscene smear. It was not political, it was personal.

    Look how far we have come from the days when insulting a young girl or a woman’s honor was completely forbidden and was likely to get the offender disgraced, discredited, lights punched out and quite often shot…. Hey, there’s an idea. Dave vs. Todd? Hah… that’s not even fair, how about Dave vs. Sarah? What’s your pleasure? Fisticuffs? Pistols at 10 paces? leg wrestling? It wouldn’t really matter…same result. Sarah Palin 1 – Dave Letterman 0.

  • Eric,

    I said “most” liberals, not “all” liberals don’t have a sense of humor.

    Deke,

    Of course you would defend a 60+ year old man in making disgusting jokes about a 14 year girl being raped. You’re part of the problem.

  • Michael,

    I don’t listen to Rush and I don’t bother with him.

    Besides, when he made those Chelsea comments this website wasn’t in existence.

  • That’s still quite a broad generalization, unfair, and I’m not even sure on what the assumption is based upon.

    I surely wouldn’t say *all* conservatives don’t care for the poor. I wouldn’t think saying *most* conservatives would make it any better.

    The problem isn’t the joke–I agree with you. I am just saddened that everything takes a liberal-conservative divide when it’s unnecessary. David Letterman may be “liberal,” but I’m not sure if that subscribes every “liberal” to his specific views or brand of humor.

    I actually use the term “conservative” to describe myself. I might add (and I frequently do) that Rush Limbaugh doesn’t speak for me.

    So instead of this being a matter solely focus on the incident–which should not have happened; it took a political spin and pit liberals against conservatives, which I find to be unnecessary.

  • Eric,

    I’ve based it on my personal experience in my engagement with my liberal friends. I have been viciously attacked for clean jokes toward liberal politicians.

    I do I understand where you are coming from, but my personal experience has shown otherwise, I leave my posting as is.

    Sadly, most liberals do not have a sense of humor.

  • Tito – I’m glad you don’t listen to Rush. You get a point for that. However, you also said you no longer watch Letterman. So why single him out for his supposedly “degenerate” humor and comments and say absolutely nothing when folks like Rush and Ann Coulter do the exact same thing and with more regularity? (I’m not only talking about “that Chelsea comment.”)

    I believe that you nailed it – Palin’s pro-life stand is what the libs truly hate.

    This is kind of a stupid comment. I’m pro-life. You would no doubt describe me as a “lib.” I appreciate that Sarah Palin is against abortion (I hesitate to call her “pro-life” in any meaningful sense). I and many other “libs” in fact dislike Palin for other reasons that don’t fit into your binary and abortion-obsessed views.

  • I can’t keep track of what everybody says.

    Plus I don’t recall them saying anything offensive about other politicians under-age daughters.

  • Michael: we know you have reasons of your own to hate Palin. She’s a Republican. Her son is serving in the U.S. Army (horrors!). The Palins hunt and own guns (man, how you must despise the people of your own home state then. WVA also has, I believe, one of the highest percentages of veterans in the country. I’m surprised you can bear to set foot there.)

    The pro-life Catholic left is dwarfed by the secular left (and would be tossed overboard by the secular left in a heartbeat, come the revolution). My point stands: Palin is hated by them because she is not only pro-life but has walked the walk.

  • Ann Althouse, a University of Wisconsin law professor who leans left, but is a fair-minded woman, chides Andrew Sullivan:

    Nearly all politicians display their families. Do they brandish them? Brandish means to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly/to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner. Occasionally, one reads of some criminal swinging a baby around like a cudgel, but with politicians, the displaying of the family is non-aggressive and without any weapon connotations. Obama displayed and continues to display Sasha and Malia in the conventional political way, and I’m sure Sullivan would be steamed if anyone mocked them or said anything sexual about them.

    Bristol Palin’s abstinence effort seems pretty silly to me too, but there’s no reason to view that as opening her up to all sorts of vicious mockery. She found herself in an awfully uncomfortable spot. It’s embarrassing enough for a teenager to become pregnant by accident, but to endure this in the crossfire of a political campaign had to be excruciating. But she put up with it somehow, didn’t take the out of abortion, kept smiling, and tried to turn herself into a good lesson for others. How is this sowing something that she deserves to reap?

    Or — oh — it’s Palin who reaps what she sows. Is the girl not a person worthy of any regard? What did the girl do? “Family’s off limits. You don’t talk about my family.” Obama said that. It was intended to bind his harshest opponents to a standard of behavior. Sullivan offers absolutely no reason why the same principle does not protect Palin’s family.

  • Donna V.

    I’m surprised you can bear to set foot there.

    He lives in Toronto right now, so perhaps he can’t. 😉

  • Uhhhh…TomSVDP?

    I was replying to Donald regarding the essay he linked at Protein Wisdom. That would be the one proposing that Sarah Palin’s flyover-country normality is what has her detractors in such a lather, and makes her such a hit with those of us in flyover country.

    For the record, I like and respect my redneck neighbors (husband, relatives,)very much, and would rather deal with them than with any large random sampling of inside-the-Beltway government or media types. I’m also favorably impressed with Palin.

    In any case, I would never take a permissive view of attempts at humor that demean women or the handicapped. By anyone.

    The chivalry is appreciated, Donald.

  • By the way, dekerivers,
    Do you really think that it’s funny to imply that a young woman is a slut because she imprudently succumbed to an all-too-human weakness during a time in her life not normally associated with rational judgement or long-term thinking?

    What is it about Bristol Palin’s having reached the magic age of 18 or having made a few public statements (most of which seem to have been on the theme, “Single parenting is tough, girls; don’t make the same mistake I did,”) that makes it okay to label her a scarlet woman for the purpose of humor, or any other purpose?

    You suggest that Sarah Palin “used her family” to score popularity points–did you fail to notice the Obamas trotting out their cute daughters during the campaign, or the enthusiasm of a certain McCain child for the limelight? They aren’t being ridiculed on national television.

    By your logic, no parent should run for public office, or at least no parent who holds opinions that run counter to the sacred cows of the entertainment industry.

  • Speaking of the degenerate left. Could someone PLEASE call Obama or Biden and tell them that there is a struggling democratic movement developing in Iran, and if they would only lend it moral support it may be successful. If he won’t do it for moral reasons, perhaps pragmatism. Our problems with that totalitarian regime may some day come to an end, or at least be greatly diminished if this movement were to succeed….

    so far… nothing but twiddling of thumbs from the “One”.

  • Oh know, this link below may elongate the page, I don’t like it when that happens.

    I’m forgiving but Imus got such harsh treatment and I don’t know all of the ins and outs of that.

    One advertiser is dropping Letterman’s show and a “fire Letterman” move is underway. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/06/15/2009-06-15_fire_david_letterman_campaign_takes_root_protest_planned_over_comment_on_sarah_p.html

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