Gunning for Republicans

Wednesday, June 14, AD 2017


Partisan hatred was taken up a few notches this morning:



The gunman who opened fire on a Republican congressional baseball practice session on Wednesday morning, injuring four people including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, has been named as James T. Hodgkinson.  

The shooter from Belleville, Illinois, fired up to 100 rounds from a high powered rifle from the third base dugout at Eugene Simpson Stadium Park in Alexandria, Virginia, as the group practiced batting at around 7:00 a.m.

He was eventually shot by two U.S. Capitol Police officers who were accompanying Scalise. They were both wounded as they exchanged gunfire. 

Hodgkinson is now in custody and undergoing treatment at a local hospital.

A congressional staffer for Texas Rep. Roger Williams was also shot. Senator Rand Paul, who was at the scene but was not injured, described it as a ‘killing field.’

A man thought to be the shooter asked if the group were Republicans or Democrats before opening fire, Florida Rep. Ron DeSantis said. North Carolina Rep. Mike Walker told NBC News the ‘gunman was there to kill as many Republican members as possible.’

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16 Responses to Gunning for Republicans

  • Liberalism is a mental illness.

  • A gather from another site on which I am a participant, that the MSNBC talking points to be used by partisan Democrats this morning are to rail at Republicans about ‘assault rifles’.

  • Gee, when you call your opponents nazis and evil monsters literally trying to kill people, who could have foreseen this?

  • Corruption personified himself, Terry McAuliffe, said, “There are too many guns on the street.”

    Wrong! There are too many hateful, violent liberals on the streets.

    It’s so dangerous out there I wouldn’t leave the house unarmed.

    This level of rhetorical hatred and political violence was last experienced in the years immediately prior to the US Civil War.

  • Killing people because of their political affiliations is the height of tyranny. We are all under siege. Freedom of association is no longer. Denial of God is the root of murder.

  • I can hardly wait for the tolerant left late night suck-ups to gloss this over… Jimmy Fallon & Steven Colbert can use this event as material in their on going smear on Republican leadership. President Trump being the punching bag of choice.

    The face of the participants in the 2017 Festival of the Inbreeds is the American Liberal. Add Hodgkinson’s to this despicable list. Sick puppies all!

    I can imagine Fallon saying that the shooting was a good start.

    Colbert? He will say it was a false flag event that was organized by the Trump team to discredit Liberals.

    But hey…the poor bastards gotta​ make a buck somehow.

  • Hmm. If this had been a Trump supporter the MSM would go nuts, but since it’s a Clinton supporter,,, well…
    it’ll be interesting to see how the MSM reacts. I’m sure they will find a way to blame Trump.

  • I don’t know, there’s some pretty rank and scary rhetoric coming from the alt-left on this one. From trying desperately to say the GOP deserves it, to deflecting back at Conservatives, to yucking it up because a bunch of righties got pinged, there’s some serious Himmler signaling going on here. And some of it on Catholic sites no less.

  • The level of hatred is an outgrowth of the politics of emotion: it is impossible to argue rationally with people that no longer believe that there is any objective truths to be found in reasoned discourse. Religious leaders and educators have refused to Catechize or educate for fear of being labeled reactionary. Logic and reason are beaten by emotion and the distraught are deaf to reason– pray for our country and carry when in public.

  • “but since it’s a Clinton supporter”

    No, he was a hardcore Bernie Bro and had blasted Hillary as “practically Republican,” or something similar — IOW she was not leftist enough for his taste.

  • Expected outcome of the rage and mindless hostility of the left, especially, their ongoing effort to depersonalize their ideological opponents—e.g., Rachel Maddow ‘s nightly shrill denunciations of Trump; the unfunny Kathie Griffin depicting a decapitated Trump about 10 days ago; then, a very bloody and diabolical graphic execution of a Trump character at “Shakespeare in the Park” in NYC only 3 days ago.

    It is like a countdown beat of a coming very violent war.

  • The only surprise I have is that this has not happened more often. The shooter is a nutcase.

  • Credit where credit is due– the left-wing politicians, including Bernie, have all responded quite honorably.

  • Oddly enough, the day before all this happened I mentioned over at Hoyt’s that I was very worried about the normalization of violence.
    Then some guy who by his posting is not out of keeping with any other Facebook Warrior tries to kill a bunch of people for being in the wrong party.

  • abortion, assisted suicide, assassination and atheism perfect together.

  • Abortion, assisted suicide, assassination and atheism perfect together is exactly right Mary. It is spiritual insanity.

Teaching Hate

Tuesday, May 30, AD 2017

Fifth rate comedienne grabs some cheap publicity by holding up a mock bloody head of Donald Trump.  Ho Hum, the deranged left always acts this way, and that is precisely the problem.


Mark Shea is his born again leftist mode had this post on his blog today:

So good white Christian Greg Gianforte assaulted a reporter (a fact confirmed by dangerous Marxist network FOX)…

and the Party of Brownshirt Lovers of Threats and Violence loved it, which is why Mona Charen had the unenviable task of trying to tell this party of neutronium-skulled thugs that they must stop denying, excusing and defending it.  They are not listening, of course, because they are violent thugs and enemies of America.  But worst of all, it is Christian thought leaders who are now orgasmic for this crude thuggery and Steven Greydanus calls them out:

I write today neither to accuse Greg Gianforte nor the voters of Montanta, neither of whom I have much to do with.

I write to accuse those who excuse, dismiss or enable intolerable behavior like Gianforte’s, or who give ear and support to those who do.

I’m talking to you, Dinesh D’Souza. I’m talking to you, Laura Ingraham.

Most of all, I’m talking to you, all my friends who still regard D’Souza and Ingraham as voices worth listening to.

It pains me to say this, because the fact is that I not only liked Ingraham and D’Souza, I *respected* them. I feel betrayed by what the American Christian conservatism I once identified with has become. I feel like a fool for not having seen it sooner.

In this words of this article, “None of this is a gray area. You either uphold certain basic standards of decency or you don’t.”

And the answer is: We don’t. Obviously. Read what Ingraham and D’Souza had to say about a now-elected official body-slamming a journalist, and realize the truth of the world we live in: The Tribe Right or Wrong; The Tribe Über Alles.

With the appropriate incantatory words (depending on your sub-tribe and the situation, they may be “But Hillary,” “The Babies,” “Obamacare,” “Immigration,” etc.), people who pride themselves on decency and traditional values will not only look the other way, but actively *defend* bad behavior and harm as long as the right people are being defended or harmed.

That’s what most horrifies me: not simply that someone might say “Unprovoked assault is obviously terrible and unacceptable but what’s on offer on the other side is even worse,” but that people will say “It was our guy hitting their guy? Eh. He had it coming. He’s a crybaby. He’s a sissy for not hitting back.” (This is paraphrase but scarcely exaggeration. Read the piece.)

I shouldn’t have to say this, but experience shows that I do: If your first reaction to this scolding is to bring up punching Nazis or what happened to Charles Murray at Middlebury, YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG.

Tu quoque won’t help you here. First of all, because *I’m* making the accusation, and *I* neither punched Richard Spencer, nor joined in the Middlebury mob, nor have I defended those who did.

I’m against punching Nazis and mobbing out-of-favor academics on college campuses, and *I’m* telling you that if you listen to people like Ingraham and D’Souza who defend blatant thuggishness as long as the violence goes the right way, *you’re* the one being harmed. Tu quoque is no defense when both sides are sipping arsenic.

Some might be tempted to modify the tu quoque and ask me why I’m actively calling out defenders of Gianforte when I haven’t gone out of my way to call out defenders left-wing violence. There are many answers to that, but the simplest is that I USED TO LIKE AND RESPECT INGRAHAM AND D’SOUZA.

The people I’m talking to are still, in spite of my alienation from the conservative machine, very much my peeps. We agree on many of the things that matter most.

What it seems to me we haven’t yet managed to agree on is the spiritual danger of embracing The Tribe Über Alles.

To be sure, not all Republicans endorse this filth.  Some of them, known by the goons and thugs who now constitute the bulk of the Party of Trump as “fake conservative” and “wusses” still speak out on behalf of civilization and are shouted down by Real Christians and Real Conservatives:

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18 Responses to Teaching Hate

  • Mark Shea is a complete waste of time. More bloggers ought to come out after him and point out what a hypocrite he is.

  • This fellow Gianforte appears to have had a minor altercation with a member of the political opposition. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to Shea why people might find it at least vaguely amusing that a member of one of the grossest and unethical occupational groups in America was issued a penalty by a fed-up member of the public.

    The irony of Mark Shea offering a vitriolic denunciation of someone else’s bad temper is lost on….Mark Shea.

  • Regarding “hate” in Lt Gov. Ralph Northam’s ad for the Democratic primary which aired today Northam said, “”Donald Trump is a narcissistic maniac and I will do all I can to keep his hate out of Virginia”.
    Predict that the word “hate” referring to President Trump and conservative values will be the liberal, progressive and Democrat buzz word for this election.

  • Mark has turned into a total apparatchik for the left. The type of unthinking political partisan he condemned for years he has become.

  • Some days I’m tempted to start a website that will just be quotes from old Mark Shea posted against the new Mark Shea. And of course he’s become a left-partisan. He’s become increasingly lazy intellectually and leftist politics excel at providing policies and narratives that hit you in the gut and don’t require any thinking (indeed thinking usually causes it all to fall apart so you’re discouraged from that). Now that he’s cocooned himself in an echo chamber, he needn’t worry about ever having to bother thinking or checking facts again.

    And what’s up with his new race obsession. It’s like reading one of those alt sites that insist on pointing out everybody’s jewishness – only it’s everybody’s whiteness.

  • The contemporary left, most of it, is just as race obsessed as a Klansman circa 1866. They have looked into the abyss and became what they beheld.

  • I’m still not sure Gianforte actually assaulted the guy. Not as in, “I don’t think he hit him,” as in “I think the guy was doing the usual pushy reporter violating personal space and came against a NORMAL FREAKING HUMAN BEING.”

    Has anybody actually seen a quote from the Fox lady about what she saw? I’ve only seen things where it says “the fox reporter said she didn’t see an act of open aggression” which, given the media, makes me suspect she actually said “I didn’t see what happened” or something.
    We’ve had people poisoned, folks run off the road, ROUTINE acts of violence against conservatives… maybe the English reporting style I’ve read about in all the old books is, ah, not the wisest option?

  • Foxfier what gets me (and you can try this on some of Dave G’s commentors if you want it demonstrated) is that numerous, repeated actions by the Left are always excused as “outliers” and “proof of nothing” while the much rarer action by the Right proves everything. Or they’ll use this to end that argument in a kind of “if you want to associate those dozen with the Left, then you have to associate this one with the right.”

    Oh hey, Mark went and provided an example! Let’s see… in the article he wrote:

    [facebook capture of Jeremy Christian praising Trump]
    Christian was much like [these racists] that take their inspiration from our white racist president and his white racist attorney general.

    Then in the comments…

    And he [Jeremy Christian]also supported Sanders for a while, which proves… something or other.

    So supporting Trump proves something, but supporting Sanders proves nothing? Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury, I present exhibit C in political hackery.

  • The audiofile and one witness account indicate the reporter fell over backwards. The witness just says she saw his feet in the air, not the point of contact between the reporter and anyone else. The conversation between the two is tense but civil until there’s a sudden crash and an enraged person (Gianforte) is rebuking the reporter at a high pitch and orders him to leave. The reporter is complaining of being ‘body slammed’ and complains that Gianforte broke his glasses. (My guess would be his glasses are a pair of over-the-counter cheaters as I have an identical pair). A calmer voice intercedes and says ‘you need to leave’. The sudden change of mood on the part of the candidate leads me to believe something inaudible happened which changed the tenor of the discussion. It sure makes no sense unless the candidate was hopped-up on something.

  • I have a suspicion that viewing M. Shea as a purveyor of political opinion as if he were Paul Zummo is in error. His conduct over the years has grown so peculiar that I have to believe that it is some other phenomenon expressed in political code. It certainly is puzzling.

  • While I don’t care to comment on this issue, I will defend Mark against the characterization of his blog as an “echo chamber”. I argue with him all the time, and he’s never tried to delete comments, ban me, or even responded with anything but respect.

  • Great, Illithid, now shall we go over the much larger number of people who have been banned?

    Or would you care for a scientific experiment? Say something even slightly positive about Trump. For example, I see you commented on his “2 heroes” post, be like Guest and ask him what a Trump tweet from 2015 has to do with the recent week. Or ask him why a post by the madman supporting Trump is indicative of something but posts supporting Bernie is not. Or wait, Mark is due to post the “prison pop > gulag” lie soon, correct him on that. Let’s see how long you last…

  • Okay, I’ll expand. Many commenters argue with Mark, at length, about every topic under discussion. They’ve been engaged with, not banned. This is not an echo chamber. It is true that some comments were deleted in that article. I don’t know what they said. But other comments by “Guest” remain, along with Mark’s replies arguing with them. Unless you’re claiming there is never a legitimate reason to delete a comment, I don’t think you’ve made your point. Have you been banned there?

    P.S. This combox is annoying! Can only see the line I’m typing.

  • Oh, BTW, except that someone with color vision seems to have corrected his spraytan and hairdye, I can’t think of anything positive to say about Trump. I’d be interested to know who he’s banned if you feel like saying, but I’m not debating anything at length in this program. I can’t even go back and edit if I mess something up. This is horrid.

  • P.S. This combox is annoying! Can only see the line I’m typing.

    Do you see the corner where there’s a pair of slanted lines? Click on that and hold and you can adjust the combox to any size you desire.

    Okay, I’ll expand. Many commenters argue with Mark, at length, about every topic under discussion. They’ve been engaged with, not banned. This is not an echo chamber.

    Arguing over who hates Trump the most and why is not any kind of “disagreement” – otherwise by that logical standard there is no such thing as an echo chamber anywhere even on the internet.

    It is true that some comments were deleted in that article. I don’t know what they said. But other comments by “Guest” remain, along with Mark’s replies arguing with them. Unless you’re claiming there is never a legitimate reason to delete a comment, I don’t think you’ve made your point. Have you been banned there?

    Yes I have been (more than once, actually), as well as Dave G., TM Lutas, PetetheGreek… those guys I knew personally. There was a whole “banned by Mark Shea” facebook group but since I’m not on facebook I’ll let those who are find that one. I’m sure some others around here have (like Art Deco) but I’ll let them confirm. You can have fun just googling banned by Mark Shea and finding accounts like here.

    I can’t think of anything positive to say about Trump.

    You don’t have to think of anything positive, just correct a dishonesty. For example, in the original post by Shea Don linked to, there is this bit from Mark:
    “And the anonymous bullies, KKK, and thugs of the Party of Trump have heard the clarion call to threaten a free press with violence too.”
    That line links to…

    So, be honest, what does some broken windows in Lexington, KY have to do with Trump? No really, go read the article and ask Mark that. No word on this suspect’s identification. And as the investigating officer notes: “there have been incidents in the last month of windows being shot out with pellet or BB guns on a school bus, a transit bus and at an elementary school in Lexington. It was too early to say whether those might be related to the damage at the Herald-Leader.” Now, it seems pretty clear to me that there is as much connecting those bus and school “shootings” to this incident as there is Trump. (indeed I’d wager money this whole thing is just some kids horseplaying with an air rifle) So go on. You don’t have to say something positive about Trump, just demand a fair trial. Even guilty men get that much.

  • Thanks for the tip, but it apparently doesn’t work on my tablet.

    As to the main topic: okay, I’m somewhat persuaded. I actually remember Dave G. (on whose blog I also comment regularly) saying he had been banned. I shall consider your points and pay more attention. I did read your links.

  • Oh. Yeah, sorry Illithid, I don’t know about tablets much. The combox isn’t great for them. (I do miss some of Don’s old site design, I’ll admit that.)

    And hey, you can make a fun drinking game of it. 😉 Every time the link Mark posts doesn’t quite match what he said about it, take a drink! (note I take no responsibly for any liver failure you experience)