Occupy Bigots

Tuesday, January 31, AD 2012



It seems as if segments of the Occupy Wall Street Movement hate both the Catholic Church and the pro-life movement:

Demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street movement threw condoms on Catholic schoolgirls, refused to allow a Catholic priest to give a closing prayer, and shouted down a pro-life speaker at a Rhode Island right to life rally on Thursday, according to its organizer. The event marked the third time protesters associated with the movement have disrupted a pro-life meeting in a week.

About two-dozen members of Occupy Providence hiked from Burnside Park to the 39th Annual Pro-Life State House Rally organized by the Rhode Island State Right to Life Committee on Thursday.

The pro-life organization’s executive director, Barth E. Bracy, told LifeSiteNews.com that, near the end of the rally, the Occupiers “strategically fanned out with military precision.”

That’s when they “started showering condoms down on some of the girls from a Catholic high school.”

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  • Okay I admit that I never saw The Colbert Report before but that was side splittingly funny. But seriously famale bodied? What insanity….

  • It was funny. What’s even more funny to me is that in an effort to put their best face forward a group of people got together and through silly little hand signs selected this couple to represent them. Based on what I’ve seen I think they made the right choice, but it still doesn’t say much for them whether they be male bodied males, female bodied females, female bodied males, male bodied females, etc.

  • I need the source for those stats. Please post a link. Thanks and God Bless.

  • PBW Einstein: Contact NYC City Hall.

    The source isn’t the regime’s propaganda machine (NYT, Commie News Net, etc.) or Obama’s Ministry of Troof. That’s why God created FOXNEWS.

    Additionally, the above support the violence. The think it distracts we the people from the economic misery your brilliant Obama regime is causing.

    There have been several more sexual assaults (including a hearing-impaired man) and assaults and batteries which the anarchists refuse to report allowing the criminals to persist in plying useful (to Obama) avocations.

    NB: Obama and his hate-filled co-conspirators have not condemned the violence.

    Obama-worshiping imbeciles unite you have nothing to lose!

  • You should add the “autonomous collective” bit from Monty Python’s Quest for the Holy Grail. When I hear OWS ppl speak, I immediately think of it.

  • Actually, the Tea Party paid for permits for their demonstrations – which entailed paying for a prescribed amount of porta-potties too. I remember how hard they worked to raise the money from a gress roots movement.

    And let’s not forget the open drug sales, unbridled sex, and scabies.

  • Their great contribution to the Commonweal: Zuccotti Lung.

    They’re threatening to close down Wall Street this morning.

    This PM rush hour, they’re promising to clog the Brooklyn Bridge (it’s for sale, ya’ know).

    Way to win friends and influence people.

    There are a couple hundred of them. There are 3,000,000 men and women coming and going to work today in NYC.

    I hope they don’t get too close to my stocks.

    Yesterday, one of them said we were going to see what molotov cocktails do for Macy’s. I work a block away from there. I’m scared.

    “Annoy a liberal: Work, Succeed, Be Happy.” – bumper sticker

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  • The girl ate hamburg meat with her hands in a restaurant with utensils, because Rockford held his hamburger in the traditional manner?
    The guy didn’t even scratch his name off the list when he was informed and laughing along, just checked for safety in numbers of names?
    Well, what’s new is the display of support by admin. for OWS. That’s good, no question there.

  • Ecclesiastes Chap 1: “Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. […] And, behold all is vanity, and vexation of spirit. The perverse are hard to be corrected, and the number of fools is infinite.”

  • Been there.

    Back in the early 1990s, a girlfriend got into the Amnesty International movement and asked me to help with the letter writing campaign. Every month, a newsletter would come with lists of political prisoners and contact information for the persecuting country’s offices in the US. You write a little letter, along the lines of the recommended text, stamp it, and send it.

    I probably sent fifty letters that year with no more information about the victims than their name, date of incarceration, and country. Then the annual booklet came in the mail.

    This was a sort of master list with all of their long-term prisoners of conscience and political prisoners. It was arragned by country and I was surprised to see a section for the US. Therein was Mumia Abdul Jamal – the notorious cop killer.

    I realized that, if Mumia is on their list, there were certainly many other people on their list are actually justly incarcerated. Mumia is no more a political prisoner than Manson. I had been ridiculously petitioning other governments to release prisoners that I knew almost nothing about.

    I never wrote another letter for Amnesty. Fool me once…

  • Some pretty girls G-Veg can get guys involved in some pretty dumb causes!

  • Re: Amnesty International, the corruption of human rights organizations has been an unhappy fact of the age, though I am surprised that Amnesty was so blatant that many years ago.

  • For more informtion visit the Dihydrogen Monoxide website.

I Am Shocked! Shocked!!!

Friday, October 28, AD 2011

Hattip to Christopher Johnson at Midwest Conservative Journal.  I know that this will come as a vast surprise, but apparently there are grifters and con artists among the Occupy Wall Street minions:

The Occupy Wall Street volunteer kitchen staff launched a “counter” revolution yesterday — because they’re angry about working 18-hour days to provide food for “professional homeless” people and ex-cons masquerading as protesters.

For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.

They will also provide directions to local soup kitchens for the vagrants, criminals and other freeloaders who have been descending on Zuccotti Park in increasing numbers every day.

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  • So Beret Barbie and Populist Ken don’t want to mingle with the genuinely marginalized. Well, you know how it is; the homeless might interfere with the Ipad signals.

  • “We need to limit the amount of food we’re putting out” to curb the influx of derelicts, said Rafael Moreno, a kitchen volunteer.

    Many of those being fed “are professional homeless people. They know what they’re doing,” said the guard at the food-storage area.

    “Professional” homeless people? WTH????

    I am not surprised by any of this because I realized long ago what the left is really made of, and of course there has been a fair amount of mocking of the OWS by average people due to their ignorance, hypocrisy, or lack of common sense….but some things are so crass and awful that they shock your sensibilities and challenge what hope you have for mankind.

  • These people just don’t get it?

    Their actions have consequences and they refuse to see reality for what it is.

    If Obama loses, I won’t be surprised if these Occupy Wall Streeters go all-Greek on the American People. . . barbecuing cars, breaking windows, and throwing Molotov cocktails at the police.

  • I’ve seen the encampments here at McPherson Square near the White House and also in downtown Baltimore. What’s striking – aside from their pathetically small size – is just how nice their tents are. Seriously, these people have some fine camping gear. Which makes them all even a bit more repulsive as they dwell in comfort while the truly needy continue to sleep outside and get sneered at by these phonies.

  • from the Post story:
    “A team of 10 security volunteers moved in to the trouble-prone southwest section of Zuccotti Park in a show of force to confront them.

    “We’re not going to let some members of this community destroy the whole movement,” a volunteer said.

    Some arguments broke out as the security team searched tents — but no violence erupted.”

    Gee, warrantless searches by self-appointed vigilantes, where’s the ACLU?

    Btw, here is OSW’s Forum discussion of the issue:

  • The problem is right-wing infiltrators and tea party sabateurs giving a bad name to altruistic anarchists and caring college kids . . .

    All in all, I fell better! I only (nine hours not 18 hours a day!) have to work from January through May to provide for profesional hiomeless people, ex-cons and politicians.

  • ok – sometimes it is easy to define something in the early stages by something it is not…

    Are we suggesting here that that the wall street movement is trying to be a new government … should they feed people who need feeding… should they provide education ….. should they be providing healthcare ….. is this what they are trying to do?
    .. develop systems where the government is failing to provide?

    I don’t think this is the direction they are trying to head …. maybe I have got it all wrong…..

  • Ya know, it probably won’t be long before the General Assembly establishes the Committee of Public Safety to deal with these enemies of the Revolution.

  • Super rich income gained 275% in past 3 decades.
    Little guy (99 percenters) gained 20% ” ” ” ”

    Despite the goons, the unwashed, the “professional” agitators, the commies, et al, cannot anyone on TAC doubt there are ordinary working people on there protesting the inequities spawned by American-style greed?


  • Joe, yes there are some. They’re called the Tea Party, and they don’t see unequal outcomes as inequity, but they don’t think their tax monies should be used to bail out CEOs, financiers, and over-extended families while they delay gratification, live within their means and play by the rules. To the extent they and the Occupiers see some of the same inequities, their remedy differs: the Occupiers want the bailouts to be extended to them; whereas the Tea Partiers want to stop the bailouts altogether.

    Finally, while there is no doubt plenty of greed today, I doubt folks were less greedy in the past. I suspect the subtextual concern most animating the Occupier movement is the dearth of well-paying jobs in occupations that many terribly indebted college graduates are interested in. Note two phenom here: first, many of these people want employment in occupations that they would find interesting and rewarding, and are not really interested in learning a craft or skill in an area they would find unfulfilling; and they are saddled with enormous debt due to the high cost of college education, which ironically was driven by government guaranteed loans. I strongly suspect that without our generous government guaranteed loan system the cost of higher education today would be substantially less than one-half what it is.

  • We’ve got the Occupy bunch over here too – in Auckland its Aotea Square, and in Dunedin its the Octogon. But most of the tents are empty at night – the “occupiers” go home at night and return early in the morning – there are only a few that stay overnight, and they’re a relatively small rag-tag group anyway. Druggies (the scent of Mary Jane is quite propnounced) professional homeless and generally jobless losers.

    They’ve made their point, but now don’t know what to do next. We have national elections here in 4 weeks, and the lefty politicians who intially vocalised support for them are now backing away from them.

    Should do what the Aussies did in Sydney – gave them an ultimatum, and then moved them out.
    Just a pack of bludgers.

  • Don the Kiwi,

    Congrats on the All Blacks winning the Rugby World Cup! It was aired on US TV Sunday afternoon.

    Tough match! Those men had to be ringers, not real French . . .

    Hello, Joe! Keep the faith, sir.

    I know a lot of ordinary working stiffs. Most are either working or looking for work, and have no time for tantrums.

    The media has been libeling/slandering the Tea Party since day-one.

    Tea Party protests: 989 days
    OWS protests: 40 days

    Tea Party arrests: 0
    OWS arrests: 2,511

    Tea Party Rapes: 0
    OWS Rapes: Four

    Tea Party: Bathers
    OWS: Stink

    Is the product of 70 years of unionized, public education proles taught what to think, not how to think?

    There could have been a ton more OWS whiners if their hippy parents weren’t heavy into abortion, birth control and weed.

  • Joe-
    here is the study, which is of households. our very own Darwin did a post on the topic; if you’d like, here is a page that has household income by number both of members and of earners. All except the “seven or more members” folks have risen significantly. If you’d like to look at individuals, there are tables here.

    Short version, there’s a HUGE difference between a population where almost nobody moves out to live alone, where most families are two-parent, where sports and movies don’t make enough to pay out the kind of money we see these days, where it’s still fairly normal for grandparents to live with their kids and even have jobs above the table vs today. (My aunt was a single mother about that time– she lived with her parents. Not sure how common that was in big towns, though.)

    (I wish I could say I am just so dang good that I had this stuff at my fingertips… but in a conversation with an #OWS supporter I had reason to look it all up. At which point I was informed that any source that had the word “Catholic” involved was a “church blog” and thus hypocritical, gossiping, based on ad homen and clearly a Pharisee. No, the person didn’t know what all those words they were using meant.)

  • I seem to remember that there was a much better take-down of the claim lately, but blast me if I can find it. >.<

  • It would be interesting to learn where there average American or OWS protester would rank in terms of income compared to the rest of the world. OWS seems to have a lot of union support, I would imagine that they’re at least in the top 10% compared to the 90% of the world. I suspect it would have probably been higher a few decades ago before the various parts of the Second and Third World starting experiencing sound economic growth.

    Of course there are no complaints being tweeted from OWS that it is unfair that some people have can afford an iphone and the related service charges from expendable while others have a hard time finding a grub in the soil to eat.

  • I swear I’ve gone full blown dyslexic or something with all the dropped or extra words. Maybe I’m just a moron…

  • Oh, that 1%.
    We, the 99%, are expected to share our good food donations from somewhere and nice tent squatter accomodations with those no count %’s. They probably don’t even have loans to boot. They don’t even have tents. What is this outrage in our midst?

    When we get what we want, we won’t have any part of those no count %’s. Let us eat cake like the 1% – oh, their greed and good stuff we wouldn’t be so inclined to share with no count %’s or those losers who just earn what money they can for food and shelter doing available lowdown jobs they don’t even like because they have no idea what is fair.

    Bail outs, that’s the ticket. We’ll by cake and more. Oh, those no count %’s better not ruin things with hunger and need for community. This worthwhile 99% is not like them.

The Candidate of Wall Street

Thursday, October 20, AD 2011

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  • Obama’s approval rating among OWSers is in line with the general public. A majority disapprove. Of course, OWS isn’t happy with him because they don’t think he’s radical enough. Next year, most of them will vote for Obama but a very large minority will vote third-party. But I’m surprised by the influence these hippies are having already. They’ve already moderated the GOP field. Cain had to backtrack somewhat, Romney backtracked completely, and Ron Paul actually defended OWS. This is a good thing. It puts Romney in a good position after the nomination when he has to appear more pro-middle-class than Obama.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama’s link to Bain Capital becomes a line of attack against him. It makes Romney look like the grassroots candidate of the people.

  • Occupy Wall Street minions RR, according to Democrat pollster Douglas Schoen, overwhelmingly supported Obama in 08 and 48% currently support him for re-election in 2012. When the actual election arrives, I am sure that figure will be north of 80%.


The Manifesto of Edward T. Hall III-Trust Fund Recipient

Sunday, October 16, AD 2011

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  • That’s a woman, right?

  • As a retired working man, I find the antics of the trust fund brats to be quite amusing. These beknighted morons probably never had any actual contact with any member of the working class in their lives, yet they presume the right to protest in my behalf. I say to them: take a bath, use a toliet, not a police car to crap on, get a life, and get a real job to relieve my tax burden, since your damm trust fund consist of tax-free bonds!

  • What my sainted father, who ran the steel shears at a truck body plant and who had little use for the “idiot rich” (his phrase), would have said about this fellow Stephen would probably have removed an inch of the steel he used to cut! I recall his comments about the hippies as one of the cherished memories of my childhood!

  • It’s the drugs, stupid.

    This fellow appears to have an institutional address (title: ‘research associate’) in a subunit of Columbia University. It is not immediately clear if he draws a salary, or is stipended from grant funds, or is just allowed office space, a library card, and computer time. If his grandfather’s gift amounted to $100,000 in assets, that would provide him w/ around $3,000 in income, which will pay his grocery bills, more or less. The article contends he is making rent by drawing down his savings. I do not think he will be out of the labor force for very much longer unless he is awarded a fellowship by Columbia or his mother and father elect to establish a pipeline to him (which they sound the type to do).

    Look, he appears to have been sadly miseducated by circumstances and dinner-table conversation. He has made a compleat ass of himself in a manner that will likely remain accessible when he is an old man. Can we please look away now?

  • “Poetry of science” is about extracting sunbeams from cucumbers, right?

  • That is one ugly girl.

    I often visit econ prof weblogs and am continually amazed at the “other-worldly” inanity. This imbecile evinces a bright future as a clueless professor.

    That is one of the hundreds of tantrums being thrown downtown. One of tens of millions of brain farts that empowered the Obama/Ayres/Holder wrecking regime.

    Bumper sticker that caused a Brooklyn man to be assaulted (he wielded an ax and chased the heroes of the revolution down the street) – “Need a job? Find a job.”

    In other news you won’t see on the state run media: Today, Sharpton, et al covered themselves in oratorical glories at the MLK Memorial “christening.”

  • Micha,

    I think that is about employing sunbeams, unicorn farts and zephyrs to generate energy for 310,000,000 people enduring dire destitution.

  • Jay you took the words right out of mouth!

  • Edward T. Hall III = tool

  • A song comes to mind –

    ” Get a Haircut, and get a real job.”

  • Don, these “lovers of the working class” can wax eloquent about our oppression, as long as we agree with them. However when guys like me express skepticism of their methods and goals, we’re told that we have false consciousness and need to be sent to a re-education camp. Where’s the love, Don? ROTFL!

  • Emotion research as in ranging from a ‘sledge hammer to like a little tiny hammer’?
    Social psychology or behavioral economics as in screaming for unspecified help?
    Environmental economics as in cramped camping and creation of micro-landfills?
    Poetry of science – discovering truth and beauty in the movement, and also that of the above to more mountainous ecologic landfills while looking up at bldgs., and not verifying the identity or seat of the ‘poets’ who are dictating the epic of villains and heroes. The scientific method at work, by whom?

  • Someone should create the legal papers needed for Eddie to sign over his trust fund to “The People”, then present it to him while tv cameras roll. Then step back and watch his head explode.

  • Emerson, I don’t want Eddie’s head to explode. It’s bad enough he and his buds crap on cop cars! We don’t need the filth in his noggin getting on everything!

  • When I saw the title of this post — I kid you not — the first thing that came to mind was that it was a link to a parody by Iowahawk, introducing a young nephew or cousin of T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII.

  • Ha! Good connection Elaine. Iowahawk needs to write a column about Van Voorhees VII attempting to make common cause with Occupy Wall Street while having his Butler pitch his tent. Priceless!

  • Just as priceless- the revelation that that there is a theft problem among the protesters in NYC. One young leftist complained about her $5,000 (?) laptop being stolen. Silly woman! It wasn’t “stolen” – only conservatives with a absurd regard for property rights think in terms of theft. No, the computer was liberated! After all, it’s not fair for some people to own $5,000 laptops (was it purchased at Tiffany’s?) when other oppressed souls (like me, for instance) have to make due with our old PC’s.

  • Come the revolution Donna we will all have $5,000 laptops!

Occupy Wall Street Goons Spit on Sailor

Friday, October 14, AD 2011

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  • If the Fleabaggers do this now “when the wood is green” (so to speak), then what will they do “when the wood is dry?” In fact, what will they do should Obama get defeated in ’12?

  • I think it would be a good idea for the Coast Guard to show up at OWS with billy clubs and soap and literally clean up the mess these fools are making!

  • Considering some of the sailors I have known over the years I would enjoin caution on the Occupy Wall Street crowd about spitting on them. Spitting on a female Coast Guard sailor, probably petite, might be fun. Spitting on a sailor who is male, 6 foot and 200 lbs of muscle and bone might not be.

  • Meanwhile, in other news, compensation for the chief executives of America’s biggest corporations soared 28 percent in 2011 from last year on average, according to a new report.
    As millions of Americans remain out of work and Social Security recipients continue to receive no increase in payments, is it any wonder that people are taking to the streets? As oil companies reap billions in obscene profits and other big companies pocket billions without paying taxes (GE), the Republicans aim their heavy guns on the most defenseless of all citizens: seniors who depend on Medicare and Social Security to merely survive.
    Old but true: The rich get richer, the poor get poorer and it’s business as usual in America.

  • By the way, I served in the Navy and a little spit never bothered me. We used to shine our shoes with it.

  • Joe,

    When you reference General Electric above, remember that one of Obama’s biggest supporters is Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE and former head of its Health Care Division. He is pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage. Under his leadership MS NBC (while it was owned by GE) ended up being the unsolicited spokesperson for Obama during the ’08 election.

    BTW, Father Philip Powell at “Domine, Da Mihi Hanc Aquam” revealed the identities of the big bucks people who are supporting the fleabaggers on Wallstreet, in Boston and elsewhere. The usual wealthy liberal progressive Democrats show up:


    Limo Liberals who support the Occupy Wall St Circus:

    #1 Yoko Ono Net Worth – $500 million.

    #2 Russell Simmons Net Worth – $325 million

    #3 Roseanne Barr Net Worth – $80 million*

    #4 Deepak Chopra Net Worth – $80 million

    #5 Kanye West Net Worth – $70 million

    #6 Alec Baldwin Net Worth – $65 million

    #7 Susan Sarandon Net Worth – $50 million

    #8 Michael Moore Net Worth – $50 million

    #9 Tim Robbins Net Worth – $50 million

    #10 Nancy Pelosi Net Worth – $35.5 million

  • Yeah, I know, Paul, about Obama and his GE pal. A pox on both of them. Why is this a “circus” rather than legitimate protest? From the founding of our nation, the people have always had a right to redress their grievances. From the Declaration of Independence:

    “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

    That’s strong language. Sounds close to sedition if uttered in today’s vernacular would likely land someone in jail.

  • Joe,

    What the Tea Party is doing is what you pointed out, “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Tea Partiers want Obama’s corporate socialism and Chicago gangsters gone (and preferrably in jail).

    What the Flea Party is doing is entirely different. They have their Red Flags, their Class Warfare signs and posters, their socialist chanting, etc. Their aims are NOT the destruction of despotism but the advocacy of a nanny government that will give them everything they want. These fleabaggers generally reject authority, especially that of Christianity (the Church in particular). They want Caesar as their god to take care of them and give them iPad and iPods and the other wondrous computerized machinery of Apple or Microsoft while they do nothing to support themselves. They are spoiled little brats who have defecated on police cars, harrassed those in uniform and generally made a mess of everything. The most they deserve is 39 lashes.

  • Use of labels such as “flea baggers”, “the “Flea Party” does not advance your argument. And as far as a “nanny state” is concerned, seems to me that the Wall Street fat cats and the multimillionaires are the ones who have been miking the public teat all these years.

    One, however, could take comfort in the words of Jesus: “Woe unto ye that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.”

  • “By the way, I served in the Navy and a little spit never bothered me. We used to shine our shoes with it.”

    Somehow I suspect that you would have a different reaction Joe if someone were spitting on you. However, I trust that your comment was an attempt at humor and not to be taken seriously.

    In regard to the 2010 elections, the Democrats outraised the Republicans in political contributions on the national and Congressional level:


  • Joe,

    I stand by the description “flea baggers.”

    A friend of mine goes on further at a different forum to describe the relationship of lilly white rich liberals and their advocacy for this flea bagger rioting. In this case, RINO Bloomburg is involved.


    So Mayor Bloombergs live-in girlfriend sits on the board of Brookfield, the company that owns Zuccotti Park, the place the Fleabaggers have set up camp. Is this part of the reason that the Mayor backed off his threat to have the Fleabaggers removed? Maybe they (Brookfield) don’t want too much attention for some reason and they applied some pressure.


    But wait, there’s more! (http://bit.ly/neN3Ig)

    Brookfield just got a green business loan, one of the last to do so, from the administration in the amount of $135.8 million. Heather Podesta, the sister-in-law of John Podesta owns the lobbying firm that represents Brookfield. John Podesta is the director for the Center For American Progress, which is funded by…wait for it…GEORGE SOROS!!

  • Meanwhile, in other news

    Why change the subject Joe? It’s okay that these degenerates spit on people because some CEOs make a lot of money? You’re justifying bad behavior through the use of a non sequiter. Shame on you.

  • These are the same rats as their VC-sympathizer predecessors.

    I served in the USAF in the last years of the Vietnam War. A few times I was traveling on orders in civ airports. No one spat on me. If they did, I was taught to respect my uniform. There would have been violence. Of course, I was six feet and 185, and I don’t lisp.

    Michael Walsh: “About the only thing the Tea Party and the unwashed rabble occupying Zuccotti Park have in common is their deep loathing for the financial and political nomenklatura who precipitated the economic collapse of 2008 and — thanks to their massive campaign donations to Obama — have emerged unscathed while the rest of us suffer. Any other resemblance is purely coincidental.”

  • The fact that someone in the OWS crowd is flying a Che Guevara flag says all you need to know about this bunch….as did the Viet Cong flags that flew during anti-war protests in the 60s.

  • Paul, shame on me? Equating the spitting of someone in a protest is akin to getting a flea bite on the Bataan Death March. A hideous act, but where’s your perspective and memory? Juxtapose big bosses making nearly 30 percent more while the layoffs go on and the Wall Street continues to suck the lifeblood out of the economy.

    A trillion in TARP money and Wall Street payoffs, engineered by both parties, to bail out Goldman, AIG and six banks who had set aside $170 billion in bonuses to be divvied up by a few at the top while 15 million were stranded on the unemployment lines.

    How soon we forget?

  • Joe,

    Wasn’t it the Obamanation of Desolation who insisted on all those corporate bailouts? And isn’t it Obama who is being shielded by those fleabaggers protesting against the very corporations whom Obama bailed out? And isn’t it the rich lilly white liberal actors, actresses and other malcontents of wealth untold who are financing and otherwise supporting the fleabaggers?

    For a different point of view, read this:


    I am all for cutting the umbilical cord of corporate socialism between the Obama administration and his croonies in big corporations like GE. We can start that by voting him out of office, and then giving these neo-hippie miscreants defecating on police cars the 39 lashes they deserve, followed by cold showers with lots of soap.

  • Joe, I find it irritating when people change the subject because it makes their side look bad. This isn’t a post about the worthiness of TARP or the bailouts (although as the other Paul noted, it’s Obama who promoted them), but on the behavior of the crowd. So yes, shame on you for excusing disgusting behavior.

  • Yes, Paul, read carefully, I said “both parties” so Obama was in on it as much as anyone. When people are angry, the often do despicable things. Spitting, defecating and all the other reprehensible actions are deplorable.

    But where is the outrage when American taxpayers are continually raped and when so many suffer due to corporate and individual greed?

    I remain a staunch conservative on social issues — abortion, sexual morality, etc. — but this country was built on dissent, best expressed and effected through peaceful and non-violent means not by an unruly few who cross the line.

  • Paul, “disgusting behavior” has a broad range of applications.

  • “But where is the outrage when American taxpayers are continually raped and when so many suffer due to corporate and individual greed?”

    Joe, you forgot politician greed and lust for power, which historically exceeds all the rest, Robespierre, Hitler, Stalin and Mao all being outstanding examples.

    Interestingly, the fleabaggers seem to support exactly those kinds of people. Why am I NOT surprised.

  • “I remember my youth and the feeling that will never come back anymore – the feeling that I could last forever, outlast the sea, the earth, and all men; the deceitful feeling that lures us on to joys, to perils, to love, to vain effort – to death; the triumphant conviction of strength, the heat of life in the handful of dust, the glow in the heart that with every year grows dim, grows cold, grows small, and expires – and expires, too soon, too soon – before life itself.”

    from “Youth”, a short story, by Joseph Conrad

  • Paul, how easy and simplistic it is to point the finger of blame at history’s famous individual villains, ignoring the masses who followed and enabled them. I would recommend Eric Hoffer’s True Believer to see how mass movements such as religions, fascism and communism gained traction by drawing adherents willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals.

  • “…see how mass movements such as religions, fascism and communism gained traction by drawing adherents willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals.”

    Exactly correct. And that’s Obama’s national socialist Democracy and the fleabaggers.

  • “The monstrous evils of the twentieth century have shown us that the greediest money grubbers are gentle doves compared with money-hating wolves like Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, who in less than three decades killed or maimed nearly a hundred million men, women, and children and brought untold suffering to a large portion of mankind.”

    Eric Hoffer

  • I would wager that as long as Lenin, Stalin and Hitler controlled the money, they really didn’t hate it all that much. What they hated was someone other than them doing the controlling. Oh yeah – those evil capitalists.

  • Joe,
    Stop your lies. The myth about GE not paying taxes has been debunked over and over again. Facts matter, even if they may not fit your silly narrative. The “reporter” who broke that story mis-read GE’s annual report. A stupid mistake with legs apparently.

  • Mike, no doubt new versions cooked up by the rewrite boys at the Ministry of Truth.

  • Report from the field, sort of: I stepped outside about an hour ago to watch an “Occupy Springfield, Illinois” rally march through downtown. The line extended for a full city block or more, and I’m not good at crowd estimates, but I’m going to guess 500-1,000 people participating. Mostly white middle class looking folk, middle aged and younger, including kids in strollers, carrying signs with slogans like “End the Fed” and “Money (Does Not Equal) Speech” and “Stop Media Censorship,” etc. They kept chanting “The people, united, will never be defeated!” and some were beating on drums, but, didn’t see any screaming or altercations or anything at all threatening. (Personally I think the St. Patrick’s Day parade/bar crowd is more dangerous than these people.) The whole thing was over and everyone appears to have dispersed by 4 p.m. with absolutely no public disorder of any kind.

    Seems to me that, outside of major cities like NYC, Boston, etc., the Occupy crowd is mostly young middle class folk looking for an easy outlet for their frustration with the general state of the economy, and not looking to attack anyone personally. However, they do need to be aware that their movement, such as it is, is being coopted elsewhere for more sinsister purposes.

  • I guess the occupation of Springfield didn’t last long Elaine! 🙂 Typical example of Central Illinois Nice. They had their say, made their point, and went home to get ready for Saturday night. We live in a good part of the state!

  • Joe,
    I’m a tax lawyer. The NYT errors were explicated ad nauseum in all manner of serious tax journals. Stop your lies.

  • Mike,

    A layman would not understand the complex differences between generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) and tax accounting/The IR Code (credits; timing, temporary, permanent differences; deferred tax assets/liabilities; etc.) in a corporation’s financial statements.

    Plus, if it serves the agenda it’s not a lie. I think journalists glory in their omissions of the truth as they tirelessly advance the narrative.

  • All true, T, and fair enough. And laymen are not likely to realize that in general those differences favor revenue collection. GAAP errs on the side of making sure a company does not deceive investors by overstating income, whereas the IRC errs on the side of making sure that a company does not deceive the IRS by understating income. There are exceptions, of course, but that is the general theme. It is true that some industries (oil is the easy example) benefit from being able to deduct expenses they pay faster than what ordinary accounting might allow and faster than other industries can, and this type of benefit is certainly open to criticism. But the criticism more appropriately should focus on horizontal equity (i.e., a comparison with other corporate taxpayers) rather than vertical equity (a comparison based on ability to pay). In the end how much corporate income tax a corporation pays is truly not all that relevant for vertical equity purposes, and its horizontal equity analysis is best limited to comparisons with competitors. The corporate income tax is a puzzling creature. Its economic burden is necessarily a mystery in that it falls on some unknown (and unknowable) admixture of shareholders (through reduced returns, as though they should be reduced any further these days), consumers (through higher prices), and employees (through reduced wages). The distribution of this burden is based on many market variables that are fluid and impossible to assume or plan for in confidence. In other words, it a tax that progressives love notwithstanding the random distribution of its economic burden. Very strange, actually. This is not to say that corporations don’t impose social costs that they should pay for (e.g., the trucking industries effect on road wear and tear), but such costs (particularly when netted against social benefits) bear no relation whatsoever to the corporate tax burden (very high in the US), and should sensibly be borne regardless of profit just like any other cost.
    Finally, it is true that earnings of CEOs of major corporations high by historic standards. Much has been written about this, and there are many causes including (i) the structure and practices of corporate comp committees and (ii) the move a couple decades ago to tie comp more to stock performance. But as generous as such payments can be, their impact on a company’s bottm line is typically not all that material. I do think that criticism of CEO pay may have some merit, but that is a discussion for another day.

  • Mike, what does a tax lawyer do, tax lawyers? I don’t like being called a liar. As a lawyer, the irony is rich, indeed. (apologies to Don McClarey, the only lawyer I know capable of uttering truths now and then.)

  • Joe,
    I never called you a lawyer. I asked you to stop repeating lies.
    To answer you question, I work very hard to ensure that my clients do not pay any more tax than they are legally obligated to. My clients are large corporations. I am proud of my work. My clients behave honorably, and I have never known them to utter or repeat lies. Lawyers are like anyone else, unfortunately, some honorable and some not. But the lawyers I work with I very honorable. You seem to think that corporations are duty bound to pay whatever you think is just — not what the law requires. Such arrogance is unbecoming.

  • GE and taxes? Let’s set the record straight:


    So much for paying the 35% corporate rate.

  • Joe,
    GE works hard to save costs at every level, thereby benefiting consumers and investors, and preserving jobs. Tax expenses are no exception. Unless you can show that they are doing something illegal or immoral then what is the point of your innuendo?

  • Mike…”GE works hard …” employing more than 1,000 lawyers whose sole job is to find ways to avoid tax liability… GE works hard to cut its U.S. payroll by thousands while its hypocritical CEO boss sits on a job-creation council … GE works hard to manufacture weapons of mass destruction, filling its ever-growing till by billions with Pentagon money… GE works hard to lobby Congress for every tax break, loophole and under-the-table, deal-cutting maneuver to make sure the defense contracts never end..ad nauseum

  • GE works hard to manufacture weapons of mass destruction,

    Goodness gracious, you mean they manufacture weapons? Why has no one reported them to the UN?

    And still nothing illegal or immoral in any of the litany reported by Joe. But, whatever mean Joe Green can do to obfuscate the main point of the post.

  • Agreed, Paul. It never ceases to amaze me how passionate liberals are about supporting a tax whose economic burden is unknown and arbitrary. I assume it is grounded in the assumption that the burden rests predominantly on the rich, but really that is all it is, an assumption. There is actually very little basis for believing that. The best one can say about it is that it might be true; or not. There is a reason conservatives are so often quick to accuse liberals of forming opinions based more on emotion than reason.

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