Who Left American Heroes Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty to Die?

Saturday, October 27, AD 2012

Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty were authentic American heroes.  Both former Navy Seals, they fought to the last in defense of the Benghazi consulate, manning a machine gun at the CIA annex.  Despite three separate orders telling them not to do so, Woods and Doherty went to the consulate after the attack began, and saved the lives of 20 embassy personnel, bringing them to the CIA annex.  They  defended the CIA annex, holding it while the 20 people they rescued were evacuated.   They were in constant contact with higher-ups at the CIA, requesting military aid.  They fought heroically for six hours and twenty minutes against an estimated 200 heavily armed attackers from the time of the beginning of the attack on the consulate, killing an estimated sixty of their foes.

They were both killed by a mortar round at the six-hour and twenty-minute mark.  General David Petraeus, head of the CIA, has denied that it was the CIA that vetoed an attempted military rescue of Woods and Doherty.


CIA spokesperson Jennifer Youngblood said, “We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades.”

Investors Business Daily, in a blistering editorial asks the question:  who was responsible?

More than six hours after terrorists attacked our consulate, former Navy  SEALs manned a blood-soaked machine gun to defend U.S. territory. Meanwhile  Apache helicopters sat on the ground in Italy.

At 4 a.m. local time on Sept. 11 — six hours and 20 minutes after the initial  attack began — former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed at  the CIA annex not far from the consulate by a mortar shell. The machine gun they  were firing was encrusted with blood, an indication they continued to fight  after being wounded.

During that eternity, Woods and Doherty might have wondered between gunfire  and explosions where the military, with bases strewn across Europe, was. U.S.  forces were indeed being moved like chess pieces as the attack unfolded, but  none came to their aid because no one gave the order.

President Obama, perhaps preoccupied with his upcoming Las Vegas fundraiser,  met with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Vice President Joe Biden in the Oval  Office at 5 p.m. ET, a little more than an hour after the onset of the  attack.

He could have given the order but did not, even after an email, in which the  al-Qaida-tied group Ansar al-Sharia claimed responsibility, arrived at 6:07 p.m.  ET to a distribution list that included the White House Situation Room.

A Special Operations force went from central Europe to Naval Air Station  Sigonella in southern Italy, just 480 miles from Benghazi. F-16s and Apache  helicopters remained parked and unused at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy. Two  Navy destroyers already in the Mediterranean Sea were moved off the coast of  Libya on the day of the attack but were never used.

The question is: Why not?

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  • Yesterday, Instapundit posted that, reportedly, an AC-130U gunship was on station and had its computerized aim system locked one each jihadi mortar (a gift of the United States of America?). USAF and Navy fast movers could have “brought the goods” in less than an hour.

    In short, Obama bin Laden could have punished the perpetrators that day.

    No one gave the order to shoot . . .


    Then, Barry flew off to Vegas.

    Who had the authority to giver the order and why was it not given?

    Where does the “buck stop”?


    Lying, Obama-worshiping media: crickets chirping.

  • Addendum: Since Obama bin Laden took over in early 2009, more than 100 US marines and soldiers have been murdered by Afghan jihadis infiltrated in the Army/National Police.


    Four more years of this and we are toast. You can “take that to the bank.”

  • There may be a good reason ‘why not’, but Gen. Petraeus is the only one of them who could credibly articulate it to a general audience and he has been stone silent for six weeks.

  • What will happen to General Petraeus now that he has spoken? Can the traitor in the Oval Office stand being called what he is?

    These are dangerous times. Obama does not have the fortitude of character necessary to accept either criticism or losing. I think that he will do – or try to do – something very bad.

  • Thanks Donald! I saw that statement last night at the Weekly Standard from William Kristol. (Paraphrasing) No one could have made that decision (to stand down) except the President. If the CIA didn’t do it, then the Secretary of Defense wouldn’t be able to make such a decision on his own. It would have been a presidential decision.

    And they had a meeting…

    Some have suggested that maybe the President didn’t do anything nefarious, but that maybe it was just incompetence. Perhaps. But both are criminal.

  • Gross incompetence Stacy or criminal neglect. Either one should be a clear indication that Obama has no business being commander in chief.

  • “I think that he will do – or try to do – something very bad.”

    I do not expect that Paul. However, if he were foolish enough to do so, the consequences would be very bad indeed for him.

  • The truth meter dial has moved to treasonous terrorist from (media-induced guise of) careless incompetent. Team of insidious functionaries stirring events, while intimidating voters with diversions of base and basic concerns in the morality morass, it seems.

  • Isn’t it revealing who was in that room allegedly at 5 PM? All three. Obama, Biden, Panetta are partisan hacks. Not one has any operational experience. (It may turn out others were consulted but time was short so they probably had no more than a basic report to look at.)

    I also think Mr McCleary should include Amb. Stevens and Smith in the article. Stevens had made repeated ignored calls for help in securing the embassy facilities in the weeks prior to the attack. Weren’t they proactively left to die too? What went through Stevens’ and Smith’s minds as they were being attacked?

  • Obama, Biden, Panetta are partisan hacks. Not one has any operational experience.

    Obama and Biden are fairly useless. Panetta is a curious choice for Secretary of Defense, but he is a policy wonk and a reasonable occupant of some sort of senior position.

  • Recall what we learned after the Osama bin Laden raid. It wasn’t going to happen because Obama was indecisive and Rasputin, I mean Valerie Jarrett, had counseled him to not do it. Apparently Panetta is the one who set it in motion.

    I can imagine a similar scenario here. Obama, lacking character and the stuff of an informed and strong executive, was incapable of making a decision or even knowing what sort of decision should be made. The only advice he can make sense of is that from his political campaign handlers, which doesn’t make for appropriate directives.

  • What the Obama administration did to those men is disgraceful. Those men put themselves in harms way for our country, and the administration threw them to the wolves so they could hang on to the political fiction that there was no terrorist attack on Obama’s watch. In effect, they were a human sacrifice to the idol of political deception. I was a soldier, and now I have a son who is a soldier. Would that rat bastard in the White House throw my son’s life away if he thought it might get a few votes?

  • “Would that rat bastard in the White House throw my son’s life away if he thought it might get a few votes?”

    I so want to make a snarky comment about respect for human life, other than your own.

    It’s not that I’m single issue, it’s that it all ties together in principle. I keep thinking, “These people are pro-choice.” We all know what that means.

  • Adding to the outrage: Obama, Rodham, and Pannetta; and their media lackeys used the return of the heroes’ (whom they deserted to doom) earthly remains for a photo op.

    Then, Obama bin Laden went to the media and apologized that the jihadis had to get blood on their hands over a YouTube video that 16 people saw.

    And, the producer of the video is still in jail awaiting a court date.

  • When folks hector me to give Obama “due credit” for the OSB take-out, this is pretty much what I had in mind when I said “He didn’t screw up the biggest no-brainier possible as badly as he could have.”

  • Obama is all about obama.
    Proof positive.
    The appropriate thing for Barry to do is apologize for his inability to carry out his duties as commander and chief and resign his post.

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  • Oh my gosh! They may have relieved a general who issued orders that would have resulted in forces being deployed to protect the people in Benghazi before those orders could be carried out.


    It just keeps getting worse and worse.

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  • >Tyrone Woods and Greg Doherty were authentic American heroes. Both former Navy Seals, they fought to the last in defense of the Benghazi consulate…

    Too bad the mainstream news doesn’t have the time for these heroes:

    Obama’s Benghazi Gate and the Blood Encrusted Gun


Age of Unbelief

Monday, October 22, AD 2012




Tying in with my co-blogger Dave Hartline’s post, which may be read here, my favorite living historian Victor Davis Hanson has a brilliant column today on the cynicism towards government that has justifiably grrown like Topsy during the period of Obama’s presidency:

Do you believe any more that some of our Secret Service agents — once the most esteemed of all professionals — on presidential assignment will not get drunk and womanize in their evening spare time? Do you believe that the grandees at the GSA — once the stern penny-pinchers that frowned when bureaucrats wanted a new bookcase — won’t flaunt the waste that they incur? Do you believe that the government will never sell assault rifles to drug lords? Or do you believe what the president, the secretary of state, and the director of national intelligence will say to us when the next embassy is hit? And do you believe that there were “shovel-ready jobs” and “millions of green jobs” that arose from the “stimulus”? And what is a “stimulus” anyway, but borrowed money, in the manner likewise of “investments”? Did any of you believe that Solyndra was the wave of the future?

We don’t even believe that a commission on presidential debates will ensure us unbiased moderators, or that the candidates will have equal time in speaking, or that the supposedly quiet crowd won’t boo or clap to affect the tempo of the exchange.  From now on, will debate moderators bring preselected transcripts to the forum, wait for a key moment, interrupt one of the speakers, and then wave a piece of paper to proffer authority to contradict him — eliciting applause from the supposedly neutral and silent audience, and affirmation from the president? Do you believe First Lady Michelle Obama — of “never been proud/downright mean country” infamy — when she accuses Republicans on talking down the country?

Do you believe that the Department of Labor always assesses its data and offers disinterested conclusions? I don’t.  I suspect partisan grandees, perhaps in California, will massage the data on the principle of the ends justifying the means. The same is true of Libya: the noble idea of a reset Middle East, appreciative of the unique heritage and ideology of Barack Obama and his bold attempt to reformulate America, was simply too precious to be imperiled by al-Qaedist thugs who hate us as much as ever and will kill until stopped.


I also never believed in a “war on the women” simply because mostly upper-class, liberal, highly educated white women seemed to be angry that Catholic institutions d0 not wish to include free abortion and contraceptive pills among their generous benefits packages. Did I miss something? Who were supposed to be oppressed, and how and why? Could Ms. Fluke — who addressed an audience of ten in Nevada this weekend — and her partner not split the cost of a pack of ten-dollar prophylactics? Are not more women graduating with BAs than are men? To the degree there is a gender crisis, I think it may be more young working-class men without college degrees who simply cannot find jobs in the muscular industries and for whom society apparently has little need. Is the “war on women” what the long road from suffrage to equal pay has come down to — a psychodrama of the most privileged generation in civilization’s history?  So I simply do not believe that there is a war on anyone, much less women. To the degree there is a war, it is on fiscal responsibility, a war on paying bills and keeping solvent — something lost last week in more of binders, Big Bird, the war “in Iran,” Joe Biden’s continued gesticulations, and “Romnesia.”

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Work Place Violence. Sure.

Friday, October 19, AD 2012

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  • Workplace violence?
    After watching this heartbreaking story and how the Osama administration tries cowardly to deny this assault for what it truly is, I believe its only fair to call every day Osama is in Our White House TRULY WORKPLACE VIOLENCE on us.

    Every single day is an assault on Americans from Osama. Yes Osama! Call it what it is.

  • Thanks for linking to this powerful video.

Obama Chamberlain

Tuesday, September 18, AD 2012




The latest in appeasing the Jihadists.  No doubt this was to be revealed in 2013 if the American people were stupid enough to re-elect Obama:

The U.S. State Department is actively considering negotiations with the Egyptian government for the transfer of custody of Omar Abdel-Rahman, also known as “the Blind Sheikh,” for humanitarian and health reasons, a source close to the Obama administration told  The Blaze.

The Department of Justice, however, told The Blaze that Rahman is serving a life sentence and is not considered for possible “release.”  Previous calls to the State Department were referred to the Department of Justice and so far, the State Department has neither confirmed nor denied the report.

Glenn Beck revealed the controversial news on his show Monday.

The Blind Sheikh is currently serving a life sentence in American prison for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but the newly-elected Islamist government in Egypt has been actively petitioning his release.  Many have pinpointed a cause of last week‘s unrest in the country to be protests over the Blind Sheikh’s release — not an anti-Muslim YouTube video.

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  • Before the war, the word appeasement was not normally used pejoratively. With hindsight Britain and France should have backed the Czechs who had the best army in central Europe and were prepared to fight. The German General Staff knew that the Wehrmacht was not strong enough to take on Czechoslovakia and France simultaneously in 1938. However, it’s a bit unfair on Chamberlain to lump him with Obama; on the domestic front NC was a capable minister. Still, no British politician since Chamberlain has ever appeared in public carrying an umbrella.

  • Chamberlain would have made an adequate prime minister in peace time John. It was his great misfortune to climb to the top of the greasy pole when a great war leader was needed, and poor naive Chamberlain could never fill that role.

  • Mac,

    I agree with John Nolan.

    No one comes close to being as feckless and useless as Obama. He makes Jimmeh Carter look absolutely presidential.

    Here’s the if-then game. If idiot leftists (yow, I repeated myself again) say Romney is Thurston Howell. Then, Obama is Gilligan, and the eroding economy shows it.

    Egypt is Iran 1979.

    Now, they are indicting Americans in absentia for insulting their seventh century hellion, Muhammad.

    In 2013, Obama will extradite them, so maybe the savages won’t murder his ambassadors for a month or two.

    In 2014, will anyone volunteer to be an American diplomat in the ME???

Libyan Questions

Thursday, September 13, AD 2012

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  • Another questions:

    1) Have the extremists in Libya access to US weapons ou Kadafi weapons? They used against US embassy?
    2) Why Obama is refusing to listen Israel?
    2) Does Obama administration think that Egypt is ally or not? How so?

  • Why did Obama miss the daily intelligence briefing for the week before the attacks?


  • Is a majority of the voting population of the US aware of these issues (in spite of the disinformation from the main steam news media) so that it can finallly see through the smoke and mirrors of this President and his supporters?

  • This fits into the Demoralization category.

    There are answers, but these would cost tickets to partying at the parties of infamy and, probably their press agent jobs.

    No one will give answers to a journalist because our violence conductors are covered by power now and want to expand that power.
    And security forces protect them from the people who are the instruments of violence.
    And there is no ‘court’ on temporal earth to sort it out.
    Accountability and transparency not this time either.

    It is another attempt for wrong to defeat right into oblivion with unanswered questions.
    And, also, to obliterate that line between both good and evil, and truth from lies.
    And, to tire and defeat the questioners.

    They can try, meanwhile the press agents and people who are tools should check out the holder of the qualities of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence for a better perspective.

    Just who is waging war on peace with hate, lies, and violence? It’s a big story to write for both the uninformed and for vindication.

  • The president missed his daily intel briefing because he’s too busy doing what he does best- campaigning. This guy has done NOTHING but campaign since he entered the U.S Senate. Unfortunately, the American people are too focused on the likes of Jersey Shore and Keeping up with the Kardashians and the politics of envy to care what happens to this country.

    Our Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves.

  • For #4– It’s 9/11 and you’re in the middle east. Seriously, how much of a “credible warning” do you NEED?!

  • “For #4– It’s 9/11 and you’re in the middle east. Seriously, how much of a “credible warning” do you NEED?!”
    Bravo, Foxfier!

  • Turner Classic Movies is airing “55 Day at Peking.” How appropriate!

  • One of my favorite films T. Shaw! Note the prayer and artillery sequence at the beginning of this clip:

  • Phillip asks “Why did the President miss his daily intelligence briefing the day after the attacks?”

    Because the attack had already happened. Nothing to worry about at that point. And Axelrod and the media had the scoop on the culprits who caused it all – the filmmaker and Romney.

  • Thanks, Mac.

    I missed much of the movie, but saw that scene. Mr. Heston taking the orphan on his horse was (to me) a fitting end.

    What struck me was that the make-shift mortar was about a million times more dangerous to Heston and the padre than to the Boxers.

    Of interest, Sgt. Maj. (then Pvt.) Daniel Daly, USMC won his first (he had two, the other 1915 for Haiti) MoH for extraordinary action in that campaign.

    “for service as set forth in the following


    “For extraordinary heroism while serving with the Captain Newt Hall’s Marine Detachment, 1st Regiment (Marines), in action in the presence of the enemy during the battle of Peking, China, 14 August 1900, Daly distinguished himself by meritorious conduct.”

    re: “meritorious conduct”: From “Unto the Breach” blog:

    “During the 56-day seige of the international compound, Capt. Hall went to bring reinforcements to reestablish their defensive line when the German outpost was pushed back. Pvt. Daly remained behind, singlehandedly defending a bastion on the Tartar Wall against hundreds of Chinese forces – armed only with a bolt-action rifle and bayonet. Daly held his position overnight, and Marine Corps legend states that the bodies of 200 dead Boxers littered the ground when reinforcements arrived.”

    “Born: 11 Nov. 1873, Glen Cove, N.Y…. One of only 19 men to receive the Medal of Honor twice… Of the 19 double recipients, is one of only two men to receive the Medal for two separate engagements… Offered a commission on several occasions but refused… Also saw action at Hayti and fought during World War I… Also awarded the Navy Cross and Distinguished Service Cross… Retired as Sergeant Major in 1929… Namesake of USS Daly (DD-519)… Departed: 27 Apr. 1939.”

    Legend has it that at Chateau Thierry (I think) he motivated his troops, who were held up by machine gun fire, by shouting, “Get up, you s.o.b.’s! Do you want to live forever?” I imagine Achilles and Hector used similar motivational oratory.

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Spitting in the Face of Uncle Sam: Part II

Wednesday, September 12, AD 2012


Yesterday I wrote a post, which may be read here, detailing how an Egyptian mob, inflamed by allegations about a movie attacking Mohammed, stormed our embassy.  The embassy issued a truly craven statement apologizing for the fact that Americans in this country still enjoy freedom of speech:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

When it became obvious that many Americans found this cowardly in the extreme, the embassy initially stood behind its statement with these tweets:

This morning’s condemnation (issued before protest began) still stands. As does our condemnation of unjustified breach of the Embassy.

We condemn the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims— US Embassy Cairo (@USEmbassyCairo) September 11, 2012

The embassy has since deleted these tweets, not realizing what a futile action this is in the age of the internet.

Mitt Romney has responded:

 “I’m outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi.  It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

After remaining silent throughout the day, the Obama administration finally responded….to Mitt Romney:

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  • Obama is doing a marvelous job of projecting an aura of American weakness. The history of the last 60 years shows that things don’t go well in the world when America is perceived as weak.

  • It’s much worse than 79′. Instead of a few hostages the entire country, U.S., is held hostage by this UN-American administration. This is Carter on Steroids.

  • Just read that the American ambassador in Libya was gunned down by rocket fire while trying to flee the embassy by Muslim extremists.

    No response from our glorious comrade President.


  • May these tragedies, however deplorable, be a reminder to the American people of what it means to have demanded a leader like that of European nations. 1st Samuel chapter 8 – we want a king like the other nations! November 6th – defeat the godless man of sin and depravity!

  • More objectivity needed. We must be fair even if to evil doers like Obama. Yes…the responses in this incident are perverted and sycophantic but do we blame the Pope for everything a distant Bishop or a nearby Cardinal Sodano might say. Obama has given full support to the criticized drone program which has taken out key Al Qaeda leaders and he has made tough decisions in terms of Pakistan relations in the Bin Laden case. His military committment to Afghanistan has probably lost him votes on the left. Attack him all day…but with standards you would use for the Pope or a good US leader. Don’t alter your criteria based on a general revulsion.

  • Does anyone think that an Embassy under George Bush would have issued this feckless a statement? No, Barack Obama did not directly issue these statements. But wake up and recognize that he sets the tone, and those under him surely reflect his general attitude.

  • Paul,
    I think Democrats have a wider spectrum of ideologues within their regimes…ranging from militarists like Panetta to outright anti war people….all democrats. Republicans have a much narrower and focused population in their regimes. Were Obama similar to some of his spokesmen in this incident, there would be no drone program. The dems tent is very wide.

  • Bill, it is his administration and his people. The idea that this statement is divorced completely from Obama is farcical.

    BTW, here’s a line from the official Obama statement:

    While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

    Not as mushy as what the embassy put out, it’s still needlessly apologetic.

  • Not as mushy as what the embassy put out, it’s still needlessly apologetic.

    What the administration is saying is yes, that violence is bad, but you know what? The US has done some violent stuff too. It’s all bad.

    Maybe what Obama should do is vow to work tirelessly and never sleep until US drones seek out and bring that filmmaker to justice for making such a terrible film. Maybe then the Islamists will be appeased…

  • I just checked MSNBC and they are criticizing Romney for “jumping the gun” and praising Obama for his patience in responding.

    It’s Bizarro World.

  • The Muslims in Libya are now parading the corpse of the U.S. Ambassador on the streets of Bengazi.

  • Has anyone noticed that President Obama condemned Romney first before ever condemning the attacks in Egypt and Libya?

  • Paul,
    I could one day lose real estate on the NY harbor if Al Qaeda contaminates the area with a dirty bomb. I like that Obama and a contingent of his people kills them…unrelentingly. I didn’t and won’t vote for him. But I like that he kills terrorists…and in one case delivered one to the bottom of the ocean much like Jehu trampling Jezebel before dogs ate her. Painting him as purely weak would be like painting John Paul II based on some of his appointees like the sexually defective Cardinal Groer in Austria or the tricky Cardinal Law in Boston. I will never vote for Obama. But I love that he kills terrorists. To forget the good and only remember the bad is not appropriate.

  • At least the Secretary of State isn’t playing any verbal games:

    “Let me be clear: There is no justification for this. None.”

    Clinton also said, “As long as there are those who would take innocent life in the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace.”

    Guess we know who wears the pants in that administration.

  • The most stupid thing anyone’s ever said in 2012: This campaign is about jobs, jobs, and jobs.

    The most stupid thing anyone ever said in 2008 (up until the crash): This campaign is about Iraq, Iraq, and Iraq.

    (OK, maybe any sentence with the word “Kenya” in it was stupider, but you get my point. The world is going to do what it does, and a campaign has to be ready to address everything. And that’s fitting, because an administration has to be ready to address everything.)

  • “Has anyone noticed that President Obama condemned Romney first before ever condemning the attacks in Egypt and Libya?”

    Obama is clear Tito on who his real enemy is!

  • I think Democrats have a wider spectrum of ideologues within their regimes…ranging from militarists like Panetta to outright anti war people….all democrats. Republicans have a much narrower and focused population in their regimes.

    Um….not really. There are a good number of Ron Paul and Paleo types that are anti-militarist.

    Far more, I would say, than there are pro-life Democrats.

  • According to the Wall Street Journal, the film depicts the Muslim prophet Muhammed as a “womanizer, pedophile and fraud”. — a depiction bound to offend many Muslims.

    Of course, the Israeli-American producer is right. One can criticise him for his blindness to unforeseen circumstances, but the truth is the truth. That doesn’t justify the whimpering response from the Obama administration.

    Tony H. @ 6.27 am. is dead right. I think there are many Americans who don’t understand that point, probably sequestered away in their cosy beureuacratic, out-of-touch lives. Its too late when the front line is in your own back yard.

  • For your enjoyment here is audio of an open mic that captures the press coordinating questions for Romney regarding Libya and Egypt

    “no matter who he calls on we’re covered”


    And for your further enjoyment, here is footage of the over the top hostile questioning at Romney’s press conference. Never seen anything close to this done to Obama, or even his press secretary Jay Carney

    FULL PRESS CONFERENCE: Mitt Romney’s statement on Libya and Egypt and Q&A


    Romney would have gotten better questions if he was talking to a pile of rocks

  • The sovereignty of the United States is violated. Diplomatic immunity has been breeched. The president’s personal representatives are murdered and dragged through the streets because they represent the president. The heads of Libya and Egypt are not apologizing, nor are any other nations sending sympathy. They burnt the American Flag. Those dead ambassadors represent Obama. Obama is the one they want, not because he is Obama, but because he is head of the U.S. Demand an appropriate apology and send them no money. Oh, that’s right they own us.

  • Um….not really. There are a good number of Ron Paul and Paleo types that are anti-militarist.

    Paul voters amount to about 11% of the Republican electorate.

  • Mary de Voe wrote, “The heads of Libya and Egypt are not apologizing…”

    Mr Mohammed el-Megarif, the interim president of Libya has done just that. He “described the attack as “cowardly” and offered his condolences on the death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and the three other Americans. Speaking to reporters, he vowed to bring the culprits to justice and maintain his country’s close relations with the United States.”

  • Since Libya is in chaos a fat lot of good his apology does. A better question to ask is to wonder why the consulate security in Benghazi was left to Libyan mercenaries rather than to US Marines, since Libya has largely been chaotic since the revolution against Khaddaffi. An elite anti-terrorist force of 50 Marines is now being sent in after the fact. If we had a true news media in this country instead of unpaid Obama press agents, that is precisely the type of question they would be yelling at Obama at every venue, a charming habit they have only when the President is a Republican.

  • Thank you Michael Paterson-Seymour.

    I was looking for more from the world community, but I guess it is dangerous to get to close to America.

    Bloodguilt. The American ambassador was put to death because he was an American and not for any crime of his own or any crime of Americans, except that we as American citizens exist as our own sovereign nation. I was gratified that Gov. Romney used the terms “sovereign” and “principle”. An act of war plain and simple. While it may be a religious war to impose Islam, nonetheless, it is a religious war. If it is a religious war for God, then let God fight it. If it is a religious war against God, then, all men must resist and wage peace.

    Our president, Barack Obama has chosen to take the immoral high ground and offered the olive branch of peace by apologizing for our existence. Apologizing for America’s existence and excusing the militant Muslims is inviting terrorism. When the salt has lost it flavor, what is left, but to throw the salt that has lost it savor out and trample it underfoot.

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Obama’s Gay Military

Friday, June 15, AD 2012



Opponents of the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” , a policy to keep out of the closet homosexuals from serving in the military, predicted that such a repeal would be merely a first step, and they have proved prophetic:


Last summer, gays in the military dared not acknowledge their sexual orientation. This summer, the Pentagon will salute them, marking June as gay pride month just as it has marked other celebrations honoring racial or ethnic groups.

In the latest remarkable sign of change since the military repealed the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, the Defense Department will soon hold its first event to recognize gay and lesbian troops. It comes nine months after repeal of the policy that had prohibited gay troops from serving openly and forced more than 13,500 service members out of the armed forces.

Details are still being worked out, but officials say Defense Secretary Leon Panetta wants to honor the contributions of gay service members.

“Now that we’ve repealed ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ he feels it’s important to find a way this month to recognize the service and professionalism of gay and lesbian troops,” said Navy Capt. John Kirby, a spokesman.

This month’s event will follow a long tradition at the Pentagon of recognizing diversity in America’s armed forces. Hallway displays and activities, for example, have marked Black History Month and Asian-Pacific American Heritage Month.

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56 Responses to Obama’s Gay Military

  • I’ll tell you what this is really about. It is about finding one more way to equivocate homosexuality with racial groups, to make opposition to homosexuality as socially unacceptable as racism.

    I think it is time to start really exploring the extent to which the gay identity is socially and politically constructed.

  • Right Don. This was always a cultural issue – changing another institution to acceptance, and then endorsement, of homosexuality. Those who didn’t understand this don’t understand the methods of the radical left.

  • God will let us now lose wars.

  • Question for General Foghorn:

    What does celebrating this crap have to do with the mission: destroying things and killing massive numbers of bad guys?

    In my opinion, 97% of our brave troops will be treated like puppy dogs that crap on the carpet and get their noses rubbed in this crap.

    This will be one huge negative both for mission orientation and unit cohesion.

  • No Paul, God, with some help from the voters, will allow Obmama to lose this election.

  • Yep T.Shaw and Obama and his cronies could care less. They will probably only begin to care when the military vote is counted this Fall.

  • As one who actually served (very few if any of the Washington policymakers have), I can unequivocally say that having a queer within the ranks is at the least a distraction and at the worst disruptive of morale and unity. Of course that was back in 1959 when I was in boot camp at Great Lakes, Ill., and of the approximately 100 guys in our company it wasn’t hard to tell which one of us was a bit light in the shoes. He never made it all the way through the 8 weeks because of his disruptive behavior.

    A military unit must have cohesion and a clear objective and not be distracted by such attempts at social engineering for the sake of so-called “rights.” The Uniform Code of Military Justice governs the lives of servicemen and women and the rules, like them or not, are different than those in civilian society.

    There are age limits, weight and height and other criteria that determine one’s fitness to serve and homosexuality is an automatic disqualifier if one is to be true to the mission of the military. Unfortunately, all the traditional old soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are dying out or deferring meekly to the likes of Obama, Panetta, et al, who are clueless about military life. Then perhaps they think someone has to bring up the rear.

  • Fixing typo: There are age limits, etc…

  • One of your more recent posts concerned a speech given to a convention of high school yearbook and newspaper staff by an obnoxious sex columnist. The contemporary liberal mindset is like the Borg. It recognizes no part of public life as having a legitimate dynamic, sensibility, or set of standards of its own. (And about this all of our Vichy Catholics and most of our Republican politicos are clueless).

  • Bingo Art. Perhaps worse than the Borg:

  • Joe Green wrote, “I can unequivocally say that having a queer within the ranks is at the least a distraction and at the worst disruptive of morale and unity.”

    I mostly agree. There was one gay person on my submarine. He kept mostly to himself when we went on shore leave, though he was a great drinking buddy (alcohol being a favorite past time of sailors the world over regardless of sexual inclination). But when after entering port most of us directed our energies to the local brothels, he went out by himself to do what he wished with whom he wished, and no one of us made a fuss about it. What he did in a closet was none of our business (just as we didn’t want anyone to see what we were doing in a brothel, which is just as much a sin). But being gay, he never seemed to have the ambition to advance in rank or do anything really noteworthy (though he was one of the best sonarmen aboard). I really don’t know what makes people like this tick (nor do I want to know), just as long as they don’t parade themselves in public. They can make all the social contracts between themselves for medical care and visitation, inheritance, power of attorney, etc., that they want to. But what they do isn’t marriage and shouldn’t be celebrated at all. They are perverts, plain and simple. If they keep their activities to the closet where those activities belong, then I will be happy to ignore their sexual perversion. As regrettable as I find it to be, people have a right to send themselves to hell if that’s their wish (including unrepentent frequenters of brothels as well as sodomy perverts; after all, the same rules apply to everyone, sodomists, lesbians and whore mongers alike).

    Oh, but I am being unkind, unjust, divisive and intolerant by writing such words. Absolutely and proudly so! 😉

  • AD: Kudos on your liberal-borg analogy.

    My only qualifier: liberals are far more evil.

  • Excellent, Art Deco and Donald M., excellent!

    “The contemporary liberal mindset is like the Borg. It recognizes no part of public life as having a legitimate dynamic, sensibility, or set of standards of its own. (And about this all of our Vichy Catholics and most of our Republican politicos are clueless).”

  • *edits comment*
    Fixed per request, Joe.

  • Donald, that’s still one of my favorite speaches– villain has a point. (Of course, they were treated like terrorists because they WERE terrorists, and pursued so much because the Cardassians are prickly at best, but I still think he had a point….)

  • I would be interested to see how this is all going to work out on a practical level.

    Will everyone still take showers together in bootcamp?

    At various training schools were bunks are in the open will they still be?

    We used to share canteens in the field, share MREs and engage in other such non-sexual male bonding. Engage in certain pranks and joke about each other. I have my opinions on how all of that will change, but I wonder how troop “bonding” will now be enforced.

    During afterhour’s barbecues and other events will soldiers bring their same sex partner? Will other have to watch them flirt and kiss? Will officers or enlisted wives clubs have to allow a partner of a gay soldier to join?

    How are they going to figure out who your bunkmate is going to be in the barracks? How will sexual harassment of non-gay soldiers by gay soldiers be handled?

    Will soldiers be allowed to talk about religion to each other? Will it be hate speech for two Catholic soldiers to talk about the latest sermon at church? Or will chaplains be told to refrain from preaching about “hate”?

    Lots of practical issues involved, it’s a big social engineering project that’s going to end very badly.

    Unfortunately, now that the genie is out of the bottle you cannot put him back in.

  • Good points, Paul and Chris. Ever seen the sleeping quarters aboard ship? My son, who also was in the Navy, sailed with the USS Kitty Hawk for 2 years and they were stuffed in bunks like sardines. Although I’ve never been on a sub, it’s no doubt just as tight or tighter and a good night’s sleep after pulling a double shift is vital. A swabbie can’t be worried about the guy next to him while getting some much needed shuteye.

  • Make it easy – those who wish to identified as Gay soldiers, sailors and and airmen should wear the rainbow flag. Those who wish to be identified as American soldiers, sailors and airmen should wear the American flag.

  • I really don’t get what the fuss is about. As long as they behave like all other soldiers, why does their orientation matter?

  • Kristin…that’s the point. They don’t behave like others.

  • How do you know that for sure? Not all gay people exhibit “gay” mannerisms or behavior.

  • There are drones to be relied upon, so now the objective of military service is sidetracked by internal humanism issues.

    ” Details are still being worked out, but officials say Defense Secretary Leon Panetta wants to honor the contributions of gay service members.

    “Now that we’ve repealed ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ he feels it’s important to find a way this month to recognize the service and professionalism of gay and lesbian troops,” said Navy Capt. John Kirby, a spokesman.

    This month’s event will follow a long tradition at the Pentagon of recognizing diversity in America’s armed forces. Hallway displays and activities, for example, have marked Black History Month and Asian-Pacific American Heritage Month. ”

    This reminds me of what became of education, when computers became the teaching modules.

    Thinking and doing done electronically for self absorbed humans.

  • Kristin, easily identifiable most of the time especially in this day and age where they love to flaunt it. My comments were confined to military settings and situations where they don’t fit in, not to civilian life. Personally, I don’t care what people do in privacy, but when they’re perverted acts get too close to me or my family I have a problem. I don’t mean to be offensive but the sexual depravity displayed by homos is repugnant to normal people.

  • Kristin, your point is well taken. But if that were always or even most usually the case, there would be no issue. Gay servicepeople would refuse the effort as unnecessary and distratcive to their desire to simply serve as anybody else does. So it’s not our perception and treatment of gay servicepeople, but their behavior and desire to make a political issue that is, in fact, the issue.

  • where did you get that photo of those buff half naked men– not in combat clothes for sure.
    has the military ever had a month celebrating families or marriage or fidelity or Irish Catholics, or the G.A.R? : )

  • One of the problems with gays in the military is that it degrades the standard for soldiers form real men to slaves of passion which makes the military look less and less honourable.
    The problem I have with woman soldiers in the military is something different, I think the problem with women soldiers is that they fight too well because the moment they find out that someone from Iraq might kill her children she would destroy the whole country, so my problem with women soldiers is that they are too effective, not ineffective soldiers.

  • I think the O administration move is about politics– I don’t think he esp favors gays. and would throw them under the bus eventually if it suits the long term goal of transforming America and the world. Division. Loss of unity. But I think the nefarious plan will be foiled– in November.

  • I think the Star Trek clip helps explain why man would have been kicked out of paradise the reason being that God respected mans freedom to leave which is important because if God didn’t respect mans freedom he would be rejecting a Good part of man which is his freedom, and if man does not have freedom he can’t do good things freely, but the problem with Adam is that he rejected God and so kicked himself out of the country club.

  • Don as long as the military fights for abortion and allows homosexuality, it is sure going to fail just like Roman empire, the Third Reich, and the Soviet Union. God is all Good and all Evil that gets in the way gets destroyed by Good.

  • I”’ll tell you what this is really about. It is about finding one more way to equivocate homosexuality with racial groups, to make opposition to homosexuality as socially unacceptable as racism.”

    As it pertains to the military, it’s about a lot more than that. It’s mainly about undermining the cohesiveness and effectiveness of our military. One of the things absolutely crucial in the military is forming fraternal bonds within a given unit or division. I don’t think I need to tell you what happens when you throw sexual attraction into that mix. This is especially crucial aboard Navy ships where you have around eighty guys living in an area of the same size of an upscale suburban home or maybe even less. This is something I know from experience. I spent eight years in the Navy and five of those years I spent aboard ship. It’s like living in a men’s locker room.

    Furthermore, put yourself in the position of someone with same sex attraction (or even a practicing homosexual for that matter) who didn’t want to make an issue of their sexual inclinations (and believe it or not many of them don’t) you would not want to be put in that environment.

    This is why I favor going further than don’t ask don’t tell and reinstate the outright ban on homosexuals in the military that existed prior to DADT.

  • On March 14, 1778, George Washington, then Commander in Chief of the Continental Army, approved the sentencing of LT Enslin on attempted sodomy of another soldier. General Washington called it an infamous crime to be viewed “with Abhorrence and Detestation”. He ordered Enslin “to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return.”

    Read more here:
    Thomas Moore Law Center


  • I can see November from my front porch.

    For liberal dolts (I repeat myself again): We will straighten out this mess on Election Day.

  • Mr. Shaw:

    It’s gonna take a lot more than just this election to turn this around. I don’t see Romney having the stomach for it. It isn’t just the political part of the government, it’s the left wing careerists who control the bureaucracy.

  • GM: You are probably right.

    If Obama gets re-elected on the backs of lisping lieutenants and high school salutatorian invaders, America is finished.

    I’m preparing for that, too.

  • All I can think of for preparation is to include prayer for a happy death. How to prepare?
    The following list is from a post on Abyssus – Am sorry that I don’t know how to copy links to references and all – any way I just saw this article and thought how extremely beautiful the sound of the birds is this morning in what is becoming my little world.

    Vision to America News [email protected]

    Constitution, Government


    Obama has signed 923 Executive Orders in 40 months! What did Congress do in those 40 months?

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates theof all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    -EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

  • Thank you PM

  • PM No wonder Obama is so cocky about being re-elected. His has preempted the will of the people, Congress and the founding Principles. Executive Order 11004 “establish new locations for populations.” sounds like relocation to Auschwitz by Uncle Hitler.

  • PM I think one thing to prepare is if people have enough courage and hutzpah to figure what a new government (or rather governments) should do after the US collapse further than its society and economy, because it is real easy thinking of ways to take over the government it’s hard to figure out how to replace it and with what.

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  • The hatred you spew takes my breath away. And you call yourselves Christians? Jesus called us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

  • The Navy Chaplain Corps’s leadership last year tried to get the chaplains to sign on to the repeal of DADT by equating it with the kind of mutual cooperation already practiced by chaplains and faithful of different religions. (This was the approach taken by the, admittedly, not-very-bright head of the Reserves; without a doubt, though, he was following the line, if not the talking points, of the Chief of Chaplains et al.) One chaplain objected: Aren’t you equating religious beliefs in the one case with sexual behavior in the other? Additionally, we were all assured that homosexuality would never be regarded like ethnic groups (African-American, Hispanic, Native American, etc.), which are made the focus of interest and recognition throughout a month dedicated to the same. So now the fear is that we will receive regular emails next June with “Gay Pride” month facts, famous “gay” servicemembers, etc., all culminating in a command assembly celebrating “Gay and Lesbian” month. The which may God forbid!

  • PM:EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 GRANTS authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    If the Department of Justice fails to do what Executive Order 11310 tells them to do, then the Department of Justice is violating the Order. Obama is ordering the Department of Justice around and writing Executive Orders to enforce ordering the Department of Justice around. The Executive branch of Government does not order the Department of Justice around, nor does Obama have authority to authorize the Department of Justice to be the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice exists because the Constitution says that The Department of Justice exists. (And Alexander Hamilton thought that giving the Department of Justice free reign would beget tyranny. He did not foresee Obama)

    Obama does not get to redefine the existence and purpose of the Department of Justice for his own agenda. “EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders”

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. “ECONOMIC OR FINANCIAL CRISIS. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Use the crisis to take over the country.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. I think Obama already has…by Executive Order.

  • And to go and sin no more. Love never means pretending that sin is not sin.

  • Why is it that people like LXP deliberately confuse love with condoning? Homosexual behavior is sin just as adultery is sin. If we love the homosexual, the. We will not shy away from pointing out that his unrepentant sinful behavior will land him in hell. The same was true in the case of Jesus confronting the woman caught in adultery. Self-righteous people wanted to stone her to death. But it was Jesus who cast the first stone, as Donald quoted: go and sin no more.

    1st Corinthians 6:9-10 gives a list of people who won’t make it into the kingdom of heaven. In that list are malakos (the receivers in the act of homosexual intercourse) and arsenokoites (the penetrators in the act of homosexual intercourse). Now how is it loving, kind, just, or nice to grease the skids of such people so that they can burn in hel forever and ever? I may as well go there myself! I pray that I don’t because I know what I deserve. Why would I want that to happen to someone else?

  • Arrrgghhhh – darn iPad touch screen. Sorry for the typos.

  • LXP Christian was a word made up by the murderous protestants, and some advice I was given is to hate the sin and love the sinner. Loving homosexuals is to help them in refraining from sin so that the Devil doesn’t drag them to Hell.

  • Paul I think Homosexual acts might be even worse than adultery in the way that it disregards natural law to such a high degree.

  • LXP I think that hating the Devil and sin seems perfectly reasonable considering how corrupt both are. We don’t hate our neighbors we hate what they do.

  • LXP:

    What are you talking about?

    Cite concrete examples of HATE.

    HATE compared to what? Compared to Obama pitting whole classes of people against their fellow Americans?

    “Cliches: How the left cheats in the war of ideas.

    You don’t have one example of HATE.

    You are a typical lying liberal villain.

    We hate the sin and love the sinner. Because as long as the sinner lives he/she may come to a better disposition.

    3 . . . 2 . . . 1 RACISTS!!!!

  • Here is string of Obama Exec Orders that show Obama’s HATE for poor children trapped in failed , union-controlled public schools. He gave nineteen states waivers so they don’t have to comply with the “No Child Left Behind” law.

    Another example of liberal HATE: Huge, public school teachers benefits are never reduced, so school children’s education and life-long well-being need to be diminished.

    It’s not that Obama loves less poor school children. It’s that he loves more public school teachers unions and their money.

    3 . . . 2 . . . 1 RACIST!!!!

  • Gays in the military is really about lesbians in the military. Gay men don’t last long unless they have desk jobs, while lesbians are relatively common among military women.

    And I would say that lesbians cause FAR fewer problems than the heterosexual women.

  • Valentin wrote, “Christian was a word made up by the murderous protestants.”

    This is incorrect. Acts 11:26 states:

    “And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”

    The actual Greek word is ??????????.

  • Jim-
    Spoken like someone who didn’t have to deal with them.
    Lesbians cause the same sort of trouble as straight women, in the style of a man, but good luck getting anybody to listen to you.
    As much as I really hated how women would use their sexuality to get ahead, I also disliked the assumption that if you were not using your sexuality to get ahead, you were a lesbian.

  • “1st Corinthians 6:9-10 gives a list of people who won’t make it into the kingdom of heaven. In that list are malakos (the receivers in the act of homosexual intercourse) and arsenokoites (the penetrators in the act of homosexual intercourse). Now how is it loving, kind, just, or nice to grease the skids of such people so that they can burn in hell forever and ever? I may as well go there myself! I pray that I don’t because I know what I deserve. Why would I want that to happen to someone else?” Jesus went to hell for us and led us into heaven. That’s LOVE.
    In embracing sin, the sinner denies God, Holy Scripture, his rational, immortal soul and the soul of his partner, and the souls of all human beings, thereby imposing his sin on all humanity. This is not love but hatred, starting with the hatred of God and ending with the hatred of mankind, himself, included. Sin and death are cast into the Lake of Fire in Revelation. Paul, Help me out here, as I do not have the quote. I am in awe of your knowledge of Scripture.

  • Imagine having two lesbians as parents. As Woody Allen once said, “Having one mother was tough enough.”

Shocking News for Those Who Haven’t Been Paying Attention

Monday, June 11, AD 2012


I am shocked, shocked to learn that the Obama administration cares as little about religious freedom abroad as it does religious freedom at home:




The U.S. State Department removed the sections covering religious freedom from the Country Reports on Human Rights that it released on  May 24, three months past the statutory deadline Congress set for the release of these reports.

The new human rights reports–purged of the sections that discuss the status of religious freedom in each of the countries covered–are also the human rights reports that include the period that covered the Arab Spring and its aftermath.

Thus, the reports do not provide in-depth coverage of what has happened to Christians and other religious minorities in predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East that saw the rise of revolutionary movements in 2011 in which Islamist forces played an instrumental role.

For the first time ever, the State Department simply eliminated the section of religious freedom in its reports covering 2011 and instead referred  the public to the 2010 International Religious Freedom Report – a full  two years behind the times – or to the annual report of the U.S.  Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), which was released last September and covers events in 2010 but not 2011.

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  • They have been slowly and sneakily trying to narrow it all down to freedom to worship. That is not freedom of religion. The HHS “accommodation” was an application, your employee members may be exempt, but you, as private employer, religious institution may not. China of course and Saudi Arabia for a bank for the USA and oil are off-limits for any kind of concern.

  • If it were just the President, it could be borne. I will bet if you looked under this particular rock you would find the Foreign Service officers tasked with this work never wanted to do it in the first place and that the pool of people from whom discretionary appointees in Democratic administrations are derived is chock-a-block with people indifferent or hostile to these tasks. With a Democratic administration, you assume that the political appointees are in tune with the permanent government. With a Republican administration, you assume that they are battling the permanent government (and the contacts those of the permanent government have in the news media).

  • Say it ain’t so! We need to get CNN and MSNBC on this right away! Oh, wait…

  • The human being does not need permission from the state to exist. The human being exists at the will of “their Creator”, from The Declaration of Independence. Human existence is the criterion for the objective ordering of human rights. Roe v. Wade imposes an artificial condition contrived by the state to expand the state’s unauthorized, unsovereign, therefore, illegal intrusion into the life of the common good, the life of the people.
    Prayer ban too, is an artificial and contrived condition by the state to allow the human being to exist, an illegal expansion of the state’s sovereign authority, a violation of the mandate given for the existence of the state, and an unnatural authorization against the common good of the people. Prayer ban, the exclusion of the Person of God from the common good and the people, the persons brought into existence through the will of “their Creator” is an illegal and unauthorized violation of the separation of church and state that dictates that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights to Life , Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, the pursuit of Happiness which is hampered, proscribed and deleted from the common good, from the people and from FREEDOM.
    Marriage is a privilege to obey the law of God: “increase and multiply”. If you choose not, you are free to not. Witness to marriage is a privilege engaged by the people for the common good and exercised by the state. Gay-marriage is a contorted and contrived artificial, invented objection to marriage, inimical and antithetical to marriage and invented to extend the sovereignty of the state over the sovereignty of the people.

  • The Catholic Church and clergy are servants of God, not subject to commerce, not subject to business law, not subject to the civil court. Jesus said: “My kingdom is not of this world.”

See You In Court Mr. Obama

Monday, May 21, AD 2012





By this time I rather suspect that at least some of his campaign strategists, if not President Obama, are beginning to wonder if it was such a bright idea to pick a fight with the Catholic Church in an election year.  Ed Morrissey at Hot Air gives us the details on 43 lawsuits filed simultaneously around the country today attacking the HHS mandate as blatantly unconstitutional:

Today’s Roman Catholic calendar lists May 21st as the feast day of St. Christopher Magallanes, a martyr killed for celebrating Mass during the Cristero War in Mexico. Perhaps Catholics today may want to recall St. Thomas More — the patron saint of lawyers, who was executed for refusing to agree to a mandate that gave Henry VIII the prerogative of defining religious expression in England.  Dozens of Catholic institutions filed lawsuits today against the Department of Health and Human Services over its mandate and its narrow definition of religious practice:

Catholic archdioceses and institutions filed suit in federal district courts across the country Monday against the so-called contraception mandate, claiming their “fundamental rights hang in the balance.”

The plaintiffs include a host of schools and organizations, including the University of Notre Dame and the Archdiocese of New York. The lawsuits, though related, were filed individually.

The schools are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months back softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

Kathryn Jean Lopez posts a brief statement from Timothy Cardinal Dolan, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and one of the chief critics of the HHS mandate:

We have tried negotiation with the Administration and legislation with the Congress – and we’ll keep at it – but there’s still no fix. Time is running out, and our valuable ministries and fundamental rights hang in the balance, so we have to resort to the courts now. Though the Conference is not a party to the lawsuits, we applaud this courageous action by so many individual dioceses, charities, hospitals and schools across the nation, in coordination with the law firm of Jones Day. It is also a compelling display of the unity of the Church in defense of religious liberty. It’s also a great show of the diversity of the Church’s ministries that serve the common good and that are jeopardized by the mandate – ministries to the poor, the sick, and the uneducated, to people of any faith or no faith at all.

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  • This affects everyone – Catholics, Orthodox Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox, Pentecostal, Southern Baptist, etc.

    My older brother – a member of the Pentecostal Assemblies of God (AG) – said that the Superintendent thereof issued a statement condemning the Obama initiatives – HHS mandate, gay marriage, etc. – and ordered all AG pastors to speak on this topic. AG is the largest Pentecostal denomination which historically viewed the Roman Catholic Church with apathy if not outright antipathy. For Obama to unite them in any cause with the Roman Catholic Church means that Obama has done what all the ecumenicalism in the World Council of Churches could never have done.

    I couldn’t be happier!

  • The Assemblies of God couldn’t be farther away from us theologically Paul, or closer to us on the moral issues. God bless them!

  • People have been underestimating the Catholic Church for the last 2000 years. Someone is always saying “It’s finished, let’s kick it!” Never a good idea because a) it’s NOT finished, and b) kicking the Church in a low period does indeed mean that a lot of people desert Her, but it also means that some surprising folks stand up and become dauntless champions for Her — sometimes not until after a lot of destruction, and sometimes right away, but nearly always in each particular place, and always if you look at the universal Church.

  • Just because it needs to be said, when the dust from this battle is settled (not war, for that will never end, but the battle) we (generically) should be prepared to be more dedicated, more active and more committed to doing the things that The Church has always stood for but that we may have been less intently focused on in the past.

    For my part, I am going deeper into the Christ Renews His Parish and Cursillo processes, having done the first one twice and second once. I’ll be on a seed team for CRHP, going from my central Indiana parish to Sarasota to help a parish there rev up its commitment to Christ and The Holy Spirit. My Cursillo groups are active but not terribly “pro”-active, and I’m taking it on myself to challenge that. Instead of just talking around the coffee table each week, it’s time for a demonstration of commitment.

    We each need to be able to say “Yeah, already there,” when the inevitable challenges come from those individuals and media outlets that will say “OK, Catholics, you won that round, but how about all these injustices and poverties?”

    You know the commitment across the country will be scrutinized by the Imperial Propaganda Ministry once the mandate’s been struck down, so we have to be ready. Or, perhaps more accurately, we have to begin yesterday to encourage and motivate our more wishy-washy parishioners to commit and start getting their hands dirty.

  • “contrary to its sincerely held religious beliefs. …”

    The University of Notre Dame has sincerely held religious beliefs? News to me. Glad they are joining the fight nonetheless.

    Between an overbearing government and the recent patent wars, business in law is good these days. I should have been a lawyer. 🙂

    If you haven’t clicked the Hot Air link, you should. More updates. I’m trying to find the list of dioceses in the suit.

  • Kyle–here’s a list of plaintiffs I found from CatholicVote.org:


    1. D.D.C. Lawsuit
    o Archdiocese of Washington
    o Consortium of Catholic Academies
    o Archbishop Carroll High School
    o Catholic Charities of D.C.
    o The Catholic University of America

    2. E.D.N.Y. Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Rockville Centre
    o Catholic Health Services of Long Island
    o Catholic Charities of Rockville Centre
    o Archdiocese of N.Y.
    o ArchCare

    3. W.D.Pa. (Erie Div.) Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Erie
    o St. Martin Center
    o Prince of Peace Center

    4. W.D.Pa. (Pitt. Div.) Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Pittsburgh
    o Catholic Charities of Diocese of Pittsburgh
    o Catholic Cemeteries Association of Diocese of Pittsburgh

    5. N.D.Tex. (Dallas Div.) Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Dallas

    6. N.D.Tex. (Fort Worth Div.) Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Fort Worth

    7. S.D. Ohio (Columbus Div.) Lawsuit
    o Franciscan University of Steubenville
    o Michigan Catholic Conference

    8. S.D.Miss. (Gulfport Div.) Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Jackson
    o Catholic Charities of Jackson
    o Vicksburg Catholic School
    o St. Joseph’s Catholic School
    o Diocese of Biloxi
    o De l’Epee Deaf Center Inc.
    o Catholic Social & Community Services Inc.
    o Resurrection Catholic School
    o Sacred Heart Catholic School
    o St. Dominic Health Services

    9. N.D.Ind. (South Bend Div.) Lawsuit
    o The University of Notre Dame

    10. N.D. Ind. (Fort Wayne Div.) Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend
    o Catholic Charities of Fort Wayne-South Bend
    o St. Anne Home
    o Franciscan Alliance
    o Our Sunday Visitor
    o University of St. Francis

    11. N.D.Ill. Lawsuit
    o Diocese of Joliet
    o Catholic Charities of Joliet
    o Diocese of Springfield
    o Catholic Charities of Springfield

    12. E.D.Mo. (St. Louis Div.)
    o Archdiocese of St. Louis
    o Catholic Charities of St. Louis

  • Wacky Baracky Obumbler is certainly no skilled politician. At best, for him, he was able to do a decent job reading Axelrod’s trash on a TelePrompTer.

    Now, really, what kind of an idiot does one have to be to hang out with the Marxists in college? I have written it here before ‘ there is no ideology, no “ism”, no system of government that has caused more misery, more failure and more death of innocent people than Marxism, yet it still pulls in the gullible, the idiotic and the stupid.

    Obumbler is a combination of fallen-away Muslim and semi-Marxist. His wife is a golddigger par excellence. Obumbler has treated his presidency as a four year vacation and even if he loses to the Windsock, Obumbler would get a lifetime pension, a paid-for funeral, ten years of Secret Service protection and money for a presidential library. Obumbler will never pay for his errors – not in this lifetime.

    As for our Catholic hierarchy in the USA, it took this “mandate” to get them to wake up. Decades of abortion, Planned Parenthood taxpayer subsidies, restrictions on Nativity scenes, gay marriage and the like and the USCCB has been mostly asleep. The USCCB sill will not confront so called Catholic politicians who support abortion by excommunicating them. I have heard more about immigration reform (amnesty) and the USCCB’s continued support of “universal health care” was no small contributor to Obumblercare.

    Obumbler is a terrible President and quite a lousy politician. Sadly, it took Obumbler and the Democrat control of Congress to light a fire under the Catholic Church in the US.

  • I wonder if this is the tip of the iceberg. Will we see another few dozen suits next month, and again the month after, and so on? 43 plaintiffs is a good start, with good attention, but the true scope of the government’s violation is far more than this.

  • It’s not clear to me if the list of plaintiffs is a list of all suits filed thus far, or if it is
    just a list of plaintiffs with a Catholic connection. Where are the lawsuits being filed by
    Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim organizations? Are Catholics going to do all of the
    heavy lifting on this?

  • Clinton: Several months ago about 11 suits were filed by a variety of organizations, some Catholic and some not. These 12 are all Catholic, and were filed simultaneously and seem to be very similar so I would imagine there was some heavy-duty planning. Are Catholics going to do all the work? They haven’t so far. Are they going to do all the “heavy lifting”? Remains to be seen! So far yes. But we will see.

  • Penguins Fan, you say : “and the USCCB has been mostly asleep. Christ’s Apostles”. Remember, Christ’s Apostles were asleep as He agonized in Ghestemany, they fled when He was arrested. He died on the Cross with only young John and His Mother at the foot of the Cross. The Apostles had to lock themselves in the Upper Room after his death with fear and trembling believing all was lost. But Jesus rose from the dead, appeared to them, reassured them and this Sunday, we celebrate the Feast of the Pentecost which woke up the Apostles with Divine Power and they courageously proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Penguins Fan, the Catholic Church rises up from the ashes like the Phoenix when under attack – whether from within or from without – and emerges victorious no matter how powerful the Adversary may be. She has done so these 2,000 years+ and She will do it again. Jesus will crush Satan whom you, Americans enthroned with your “Gospel of Death”. Obama may have gambled that he will divine the Church in America, but let us all remember, this One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, with Christ as Her Spiritual Head, guided by the Holy Spirit is just about to defeat Satan yet again. And She will continue doing so Until the End of Time.

    The American Bishops may have been asleep when Satan was edging on the Throne, when Obama, his High Priest entered your While House, and he has now risen against Jesus Christ Himself.

  • Yes Mary 42 but now that we know Christ is the lord the only Son of God the bishops have to make sure that fake Catholics don’t burn their souls for not repenting. Not to mention they give a false image of what the Church is.

  • The Democratic Party today , under Obama, is NOT the Democratic Party of JFK, the only US Catholic President to date. It has become radicalized, severely. JFK would have NEVER considered such a strangulation on American’s freedoms. If we lie down without a fight, it will be very fast coming that more and more freedoms go by the wayside. Our constitution is just a piece of paper if not fought for, and used as the proper tool, in the courts.

Surprise: Anti-Catholic Bigot Heads Pro-Abort Organization

Sunday, May 6, AD 2012

Anti-Catholic bigot, homosexual activist and Episcopalian minister Harry Knox is back in the news.  Long time readers of this blog will recall that President Obama appointed Knox to his Advisory Council on Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships back in 2009.  Go here to read a post on that appointment.

Knox has recently become the head of  the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.  He has a post on the Huffington Post explaining why religious people should support the slaying of children in the womb, a post which proves, once again the truth of Socrates’ adage that an unexamined life is a tragedy.  Christopher Johnson, a non-Catholic  former Episcopalian, and a man who has taken up the cudgels so frequently in defense of the Church that I have designated him Defender of the Faith, gives one of the arguments of Mr. Knox a proper response:

A homosexual Episcopal minister named Harry Knox is set to become Führer und Reichskanzler of the national organization of Einsatzgruppen America the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice and while explaining why “religious” people should be celebrating abortion rather than mourning it, wrote one of the five or six stupidest statements I’ve read this year:

The harsh and condemning judgments of some religious leaders are troubling. They suggest that abortion is morally wrong, while ignoring the fact that miscarriages and unwanted pregnancies are common.  They deny that God is present in these times

Let’s take that one out for a spin, shall we?

(1) The harsh and condemning judgments about dropping a nuclear bomb on Tehran are troubling.  They suggest that the complete annihilation of Iran’s largest city and every single man, woman and child in it is morally wrong while ignoring the fact that hurricanes and tsunamis regularly destroy cities and kill innocent people.  They deny that God is present in these times

(2) The harsh and condemning judgments about setting off that bomb in a crowded city are troubling.  They suggest that terrorism is morally wrong while ignoring the fact that volcanoes regularly explode, killing thousands of people all over the world.  They deny that God is present in these times.

(3) Your harsh and condemning judgments about me boinking your wife are troubling.  They suggest that adultery is morally wrong while ignoring the fact that more men and women have sex outside of so-called “wedlock” than in it.  They deny that God is present in these times.

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  • “One can only imagine what He will have to say to a purported minister of His Gospel who adopted such a stance.”

    He may not say anything. “…Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.” John 8:6b

    And their response will be as follows, “…they went away, one by one, beginning with the eldest…” John 8:9.

    The only place they will have to go away to isn’t Heaven.

  • Harry knox’s mother thought abortion to be morally wrong for she brought him to birth, uinknowing who or what her son would become on earth. Also, Harry Knox’s father ought to have been involved in his son’s destiny. Harry Knox dishonors his parents. To be a minister of the Word and disobey God’s commandment to “Honor thy mother and thy father that thou shalt be long lived upon the face of the earth.” is an indication to what kind of job Harry Knox is going to do. Our tax dollars deserve better use.

  • Paul,
    The reason Christ wrote in the dirt that second time is found in the Douay Rheims version in Jeremiah 17:13:
    ” 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel:  all that forsake thee shall be confounded:  they that depart from thee, shall be WRITTEN IN THE EARTH…”
    In my opinion, Christ, who wrote Jeremiah 17:13, was writing each man’s name in the dirt with a clue to each of them ( e.g. name of a female) that told each of a hidden sin in their past.
    That is why they walk away one by one and in order of decreasing age because Christ writes each name and clue in order of descending age. But there is mercy here ( not in Jer.17:13 context) because each man may repent after having their self righteousness removed. Each already knew their hidden sin that was not hidden from Christ because Jeremiah 17:1 reads…”  The sin of Juda is written with a pen of iron, with the point of a diamond, it is graven upon the
    table of their heart…”

  • Gosh Mr. Knox, thanks! I can now stab my annoying neighbor in the chest and call it a heart attack! Woot!

  • The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) says that condoms do not prevent HIV/aids. The FDA says that HIV/aids and all viruses pass between the molecules of the material, a scientific fact. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) says that SOME protection is better than none. The only way to use a lethal condom properly with HIV/aids is total abstinence as Pope Benedict XVI has proclaimed. Read: “Do Condoms leak HIV?” Does Harry Knox accept that he is guilty for every person who has contracted HIV/aids through his advocacy? Does Harry Knox accept that there is an Eighth Commandment that says: “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”? And a Fifth Commandment that states: “Thou shalt not kill” even through HIV/aids advocacy? If Harry Knox is a minister of the Word of God, He needs to minister to the Word of God by telling the truth. Concealing and withholding the scientific truth about HIVV/aids and condoms from the taxpayers is criminal. Distorting scientific fact does violence to the common good and to the will of God through abortion, promiscuity and disease. Our tax dollars deserve someone who is who he says he is. If Harry Knox takes an oath of office he is a perjurer.
    My immediate response to Harry Knox’s indifference to HIV spread is that he is infected.

  • This can be an amusing and diverting activitie.

    Here’s my corollary to Knox’s moral deviance.

    Everyone will rightly condemn the following: “Make the World a better place. Shoot a liberal in the face.” Let’s give it the “Knox Treatment.”

    The harsh and condemning judgments of some religious leaders are troubling. They suggest that shooting liberals is morally wrong, while ignoring the fact that shootings and armed assaults are common. They deny that God is present in these times . . .

    Knox is either dumber than dirt or so controlled by evil as to be unable think rationally.

    A religious person might contemplate miscarriage and ascribe it to God’s will.

    God is not present with baby murders. The baby murderer violently acts against God’s will and denies the victim God’s creative act.

    What an evil idiot.

  • Is a homosexual taking the lead in an antiabortion mocment somwhow equivalent to a blind mind taking charge of a gun club? Perhaps he sees his new role as advancing the gay anti “breeders” hate campaign.

  • I do hope this is not to off topic but did anyone else notice the man with the bag on his head?

  • Valentin says:
    Sunday, May 6, 2012 A.D. at 7:29pm
    I do hope this is not to off topic but did anyone else notice the man with the bag on his head?
    That was no bag.

  • Yeah it was a bag. The bag guy who was on the panel to the side of Knox in the video was called “Moses” and supposedly was a homosexual from Nigeria fleeing persecution. The bag over his head was a media attention getting device, although the purported reason was to protect his identity.

  • I think the whole coexist unitarian is not a group to trust at the school I go to there was once a couple of boys whose dad ran the local unitarian church and he would not let them eat meat (how tolerant) because he was a vegetarian so at the school the staff members would let them eat the food that they had there so they eat tonnes of meat at the school and eventually started looking like shining Adonises and their decided to pull them out and move his whole family to Mexico because he was inspired by nature and when they got there he left them there and ran off with some mistress.

  • I am sorry there is supposed to be a “dad” in between “their” and “decided”

  • Harsh and condemning judgements trouble Harry Knox. Murder of babes, soaking the earth with blood, cannot be morally wrong when the cause is so common. Abuse of Free Will is God’s fault. He shouldn’t have given it to the human race because it doesn’t want to be held responsible for justifying its insanity. If the kids want to cheat in school, then take risks with the lives of others for what they’re supposed to know; well cheating is common, so tragedies of failure and error should be allowable, not accountable. Blame whoever sheds light on – yes, even Harry Knox – right and wrong, good and evil, up and down, sane and insane. That’s the way it goes.

    Just wondering about the root of the word Episcopal – is it tied to Epistles, such as are found in the Holy Bible?

  • Episcopal derives from the Greek episkopos. Yes, it’s in the New Testament.

  • Donald, it is not a surprise that Obama has appointed yet another “Chief Advocate of the Culture of Death”. You should all have seen it coming. By now, Obama’s Evil design on Humanity is as clear as the Sun at Noon. He is mocking God with every breath he takes and each beat of his heart. Yes, and Jesus HAS WRITTEN IN THE EARTH about him and his cohorts. He wrote and continues to write IN THE EARTH for those Sinners whom He knows – as only God can know – who will never, ever repent because they sold their souls to the Devil a long time ago.

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  • bill bannon,

    Thanks for the insight.

  • Huh. Minor mystery.

    The NAB translation of Jeremiah 17:13b is very different most other bibles:

    “The rebels shall be enrolled in the netherworld; they have forsaken the LORD, source of living waters.” http://www.usccb.org/bible/jer/17:13

    Virtually every other translation has something along the lines of “those who turn away from you shall be written in the earth, for they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living water.” http://bible.cc/jeremiah/17-13.htm

    There is almost always a good reason for the word choice in NAB, but this one is escaping me.

    The Hebrew verb is ‘kathab’ and the various meanings are shown here, mostly supporting the translation ‘written’ where NAB uses ‘enrolled’: http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/kathab.html

    The Septuagint uses ?????????? which I would suspect also supports ‘written’. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jeremiah&c=17&t=LXX#13

    Also, NAB’s choice of ‘netherworld’ where other translations use ‘earth’ or ‘dust’. But what’s really baffling is that NAB’s footnote to John 8:6 references RSV: “Cf. Jer 17:13 (RSV): “Those who turn away from thee shall be written in the earth, for they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living water”; cf. Jn 7:38.”

    Anyway, thanks again to Bill for bringing this up.

  • He’s not just anti-Catholic; the guy is also anti-sequitur. I read the original column of his at HuffPo and every bit of it was as poorly-reasoned as the example given above.

  • We can do these all day: The harsh and condemning judgments about beating my wife, perhaps to death, are troubling. They suggest that wife-beating is morally wrong while ignoring the fact that wives are beaten, occasionally to death, all over the world. They deny that God is present in these times. Call it the Harry Knox defense.

  • Episcopal (episcopos) and Epistle (epistole) are only related in the Greek – linguistically – by their preposition starting the words. Epi… has several meanings but upon or over are a basic hit.

    Their root words are different – EpiSCOPOS is related to seeing, thus the bishop’s office is one of oversight. EpiSTOLE is related to the word “to send.” Thus it is something sent to (upon).

    They are both in the New Testament because functionally for the faith the ARE related, as the Epistles are letters which the teaching office (magisterium) of the Episcopacy sent to their “flocks.” Thus, to use them correctly in a sentence: I certainly hope the Episcopal conference in the U. S. would send more epistles with the quality of the recent document on our first freedom!

  • And yes – I noticed I’m not perfect with my grammar. I’ll blame it on the construction happing in my office right now.

Anti-Bullying Tzar Bullies Christians During Anti-Bullying Speech

Saturday, April 28, AD 2012

Advisory to the video above due to strong language and high idiocy content.  Hattip to Jazz Shaw at Hot Air.  Dan Savage, anti-Christian bigot, homosexual activist and all around jerk, is the de facto anti-Bullying tzar of the Obama administration.  He was the featured speaker at a High School Journalism Convention where he was supposed to talk on anti-bullying initiatives in schools.  Instead, he decided to vent his extreme hatred of Christianity and Christians:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden may be having second thoughts about assigning Dan Savage as their de facto “Anti-Bullying Czar” this year. According to Fox News, the sex advice columnist – Savage Love – and gay rights activist who founded It Gets Better seems to either have a hard time understanding the definition of bullying or has some serious issues with irony.

Really? So you picked a raunchy sex advice columnist who publishes a column called “Savage Love” as your ambassador to help out at risk children. What could possibly go wrong? Well, here’s what can possibly go wrong.

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy asses.” …

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing – but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

Tuttle said a number of his students were offended by Savage’s remarks – and some decided to leave the auditorium.

“It became hostile,” he said. “It felt hostile as we were sitting in the audience – especially towards Christians who espouse beliefs that he was literally taking on.”

The speaker, in a supposed attempt to encourage young people to behave in a civil fashion toward each other, immediately launches into a diatribe against Christian values. When some of the students – particularly a few of the young ladies – become offended, he berates them and engages in hostile name calling. This is the keystone of the anti-bullying campaign?

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  • Everything they do is ironic. If they say we won’t raise taxes, they raise taxes. If they say insurance won’t pay for abortions, then it will pay for abortions. It says keep our kids safe and then they select this bozo. Like the devil, keep a keen eye out for the opposite of what is presented cause it’s pretty sure bound to happen. Especially at 4:15 pm on a Friday night.

  • Call me crazy, but “Anti-bullying Tzar” sounds like a contradiction in terms.

  • Yeah, rather like “Pacifist General”. People in the administration are no doubt not too familiar with the habits of the autocrats of all the Russias. On second thought, perhaps they are.

  • Mr Savage shows only a superficial reading of the Bible with regard his comments on slavery. Had he bothered to read Paul, he would see that Paul actually says “Masters, act in the same way toward them, and stop bullying, knowing that both they and you have a Master in heaven and that with him there is no partiality.”

    He further has no understanding of the use of the word ‘slave’ for situations of the ancient era, because it was used to describe a wide range that included indentured servitude, like that of a butlers and maids in the modern sense, as opposed to the slavery practiced in the south. The ironic thing is his faulty reading was exactly what pro-slavery people used to justify their the malfeasance.

    He would probably be surprised to see that Pope Eugene IV condemned slavery as early as 1435.

    If Mr Savage wanted to get any traction on anti-bullying, he’d be better to tell student o turn to Mathew where Jesus says: But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

    As well as Galatians 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

  • Actually, I think the administration has more in common with what came after the Tzars, but that’s just the anti-Obama bigot in me getting loose.

  • Love all the kids leaving. w00t.

  • I find it funny, although not surprising, that he omits the fact that the abolitionist movement was a Christian inspired movement. And tht in Paul’s letter to Philemon, he exhorts Philemon to treat Onesimus the salve as his brother in Christ and not a piece of property.

    I woud also add that Christians go to great pains to say that mistreating someone be they homo, hetero, 90 degrees off center, in terms of their sexual preferences is wrong. There is a big difference between raising moral objections to behavior and “bullying”. If Mr. Savage would realize how much he and other homosexuals are used as pawns by the heterosexual left, he would rightly be calling them bullies.

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  • I was thinking of writing to our President regarding this issue via the http://www.whitehouse.gov website, but the picture on the home page deterred me and suggested that not only may communicating with this President be fruitless, but that America may have a far greater problem at the highest level of government.

    Pray…and one daily Mass at a time.

  • This is Dan Savage. He’s a particularly disturbed crapweasel, and I don’t use the “disturbed” lightly.

    If you’re trying to shake the stereotype of homosexual men as mincing, hyper-emotional, sex-crazed narcissists, you couldn’t do worse than Savage.

  • I wonder if he ever waxes on about all the bul$%^t in te Koran about homosexuality and how in Muslim countries homosexuals still get murdered for being homosexuals. How many noanoseconds would he last as Obama’s anti-bullyinbg after he made that remark?

  • So, who did the vetting for this fine gentleman. Curious, indeed. Perhaps another Democrat

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  • Another reason why the campaigner-in-chief must be ousted in November!

  • Admonish the sinner.

    You will not be getting into Heaven if you vote democrat.

  • See how he gets the audience to laugh at the other kids behind their backs? Classic bullying. Everyone’s willing to be a bully when they’re taking on the “real” bullies. That’s why righteous anger is so dangerous.

  • I never knew this pig Dan Savage actually worked for Obama, but it does make sense…

  • Dale Price, I agree with you. Dan Savage makes my skin crawl. He is sleazy and frightening.

  • Please remember that in criticizing Mr Savage’s remarks, that we must counter them in a loving manner, and not stoop to bullying him, President Obama, political parties, or those those who do not agree with our Christian faith. One may respectfully disagree without name calling.

    That no child is bullied is noble goal. I too was bullied as a teen. But my Catholic faith was the rock that I clung too, for I knew that it taught love not hate. The message of that truthes of our faith should be the goal of our evangelisation.

  • Responsibility for this travesty lies with the National Scholastic Press Association, whose Board of Directors is as follows:

    Albert R. Tims, Ph.D., President
    Director, School of Journalism and Mass Communication, University of Minnesota
    Committee: Executive (chair)

    David J. Therkelsen, Treasurer
    Executive Director, Crisis Connection
    Committee: Finance & Investment (chair)

    Peter Bobkowski
    William Allen White School of Journalism and Mass Communications, University of Kansas

    Timothy S. Dorway
    Principal, Chanhassen (Minn.) High School

    Linda Drake
    Chase County High School, Cottonwood Falls, Kan.
    Committee: Executive

    Monica Hill
    Director, North Carolina Scholastic Media Association,
    University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
    Committee: Audit

    Christopher J. Ison
    School of Journalism and Mass Communication, University of Minnesota

    Seth Lewis
    School of Journalism and Mass Communication, University of Minnesota

    Samuel Terilli, J.D.
    School of Communications, University of Miami
    Committee: Finance & Investment

    Alan Weintraut
    Annandale (Va.) High School
    Committee: Finance & Investment

    Laura Widmer
    Assistant Professor of Mass Communication, Northwest Missouri State University
    Committee: Executive

    You have to hand it to higher education. Every day they give you a new reason to take away their funding.

  • Don’t any of you find it funny that you can’t refute what Dan is ACTUALY saying?

    Your bible teaches that it’s okay to be violent towards homosexuals BUT it also says “don’t eat shellfish”. LOL!!!. It also says that if you mix fibers together while knitting you should be killed. Hmmmm.

    Paul said to Phielomon (sp) pretty much “you’re a slave, you don’t have the right to be free”.

  • Actually it is easily refuted. The shellfish prohibition was one of the hundreds of ritual purity laws in the Old Testament which the Church at the Council of Jerusalem decided not to impose upon Gentile converts. Go to the link below to read a post on the subject:


    The Council also maintained in full force the Old Testament prohibitions against sexual immorality. Mr. Savage is not only a bully and a bigot, he is also deeply ignorant of the Bible and the theology and history behind it.

  • Free Thinker,

    Read this, then we can begin a more fruitful discussion:


  • Don’t any of you find it funny that you can’t refute what Dan is ACTUALY saying?

    While we are working on our refutations, why not answer a few other questions?

    1. Why is it that this organization holds multiple annual conventions all over the country for youths who volunteer to produce high school yearbooks and newspapers? What is the purpose?

    2. Where do they come by the funds to hold these? Is is parent funded?

    3. Why would one need a keynote speaker?

    4. Why would one select a foul-mouthed sex columnist to deliver said keynote speech?

    5. Why is a convention of high school yearbook staff considered an appropriate locus for a comprehensively uneducated man’s discourses on Sacred Scripture?

    6. Why cannot the knuckleheads who run the sponsoring organization and sat on the salient organizing committees manage a simple apology? The public statements that have made it into the record have been repulsive exercises in condescension (reason #47010 that academics are seldom the sort of people with whom a normal human being would want to associate).

  • Yes Art, it is rather as if indoctrination is what they they have in mind rather than education.

  • FT: Can you edify us with a few Q’ran quotes?

    And, your “heroes”: Pol Pot, Che, Mao et al were such nice guys.

    The Holy Bible I’ve been reading says, among many other things, to love your enemies and pray for those that oppress you.

    I just read “Romans”: there is nothing about assaulting gays. St. Paul warns against sexual immorality, because adulterers, fornicators, perverts likely won’t be getting into Heaven.

    Just giving back to you what you gave above.

  • I’m working on a post that examines the “Bible endorses slavery” meme, in all of its ignorant, know-nothing, decontextualized, idiotic unglory.

    I’ll post it in a day or two.

  • Okay – I didn’t know much about the shellfish. And that does kind of make sense. But be alittle patient with me. I live in a world, a time were there is none of this “ceremonial cleanliness”. I’m not saying that stuff is wrong…. it’s just a foreign concept to me.
    But I will admit – it’s not as goofy as saying “oh yeah, and don’t eat any shellfish or we’ll kill you.”

  • You know, I can’t find any references to Dan Savage having any connection to the Obama Administration. Hot Air calls him the “de facto” czar, which implies that he doesn’t have any formal connection. The article that Hot Air linked to doesn’t even mention Dan Savage. The president has been supportive of Savage’s “It Gets Better” campaign, but that’s it. I’m all for criticism where it’s warranted, but let’s not spread an internet rumor here.

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  • Swindle, lies, cheat, bait and switch, fraud, satisfaction not guaranteed, insulting and dangerous.
    The attendees to the anti-bullying conference ought to demand their money back, as when, in the old days one went to a movie and was violated by vice, impurity, everything but the truth and joyful entertainment. God did not put any one of us on earth to be lied to. The attendees to the anti-bullying conference were not given the information to be able to end bullying or prevent bullying, but in fact were bullied. The attendees need to demand damages for their costs and time, as they were a captive audience being preyed upon. Don Savage needs to be prosecuted for truth in advertizing, and bullying. Fat chance as the bully-in-chief has discarded any semblance to truth, as Obama proceeds forward to “inalienable “ rights bestowed by the United Nations, extruded from the humanity of the human race and formed by the inbred conscience and freedom of other people, who, when they fall into enslavement to vice we, too, must fall, as long as it is called progress and proceeding forward toward the brink of extinction and into hell. Well, maybe not hell, Hell.

  • “You know, I can’t find any references to Dan Savage having any connection to the Obama Administration.”

    Check out the link below Pinky. Savage is clearly the White House’s de facto Tzar on the anti-bullying project.


  • Supportive?
    It’s got its own section on the “issues” drop-down of whitehouse.gov, under civil rights, explicitly as about homosexuality. Obama cut his own video. (as did a bunch of other gov’t officials)

    My search for something like “Obama bullying savage” had this link as the #1 non-“did you mean this news story?” result, with links that I got the above information from.

  • Pinky,

    I think anyone with common-and-garden sensibilities, ca. 1985, would have put a country mile between himself and Savage. That Obama lends his name to the “It Gets Better” humbug says something unpleasant about the institutional culture of the Democratic Party and the sort of bourgeois types Obama has been hanging with much of his life.

    I will wager the origin of this rude business would be a homosexual in a crucial gatekeeper position in one the other or both of the two organizations sponsoring this conference. Every aspect of it is non sequitur at a convention of adolescent yearbook and school paper aficionados, but there lacked a critical mass of people on the relevant committees, on the staffs, or on the boards of directors to say “whiskey-tango-foxtrot” and put the kibosh on this. That does not say anything kind about the decency and seriousness of purpose of the adults involved. And you know what? This sort of thing has ceased to surprise.

  • I read the article that Donald linked to. Aside from the administration’s connections to the “It Gets Better” campaign, Dan Savage attended the White House once. That’s it. That being said, I agree that that’s one more invite than GWB would have given him.

  • Some parents tell me that their children attend these conferences and return home and their parents cannot recognize them, anymore. They are uncommunicative and like zombies. Kidnapping the souls of our children.

  • @Defender. The problem is that the anti-bullying movement is code, and not very deep code at that, for homosexual normalization. So when high-school student Brandon Wegner was wrote the “con” side in a same-sex marriage debate and got hauled before the assistant principal and berated and threatened for hours on end, that’s not the kind of bullying Savage and his ilk are interested in fighting.

    As someone bullied as well (until I managed to stand up for myself), I know that bullying is one of those things that exists in unofficial culture so to speak. It takes place in the cracks and shadows where authority isn’t watching and can never really fully monitor. Thus, the new spate of anti-bullying initiatives are not going to be effective and frankly, it’s not hard to think that that is the way progressives like it. By being largely unsolvable, there is no end to the intrusive power that progressives can aggrandize and the ideological social engineering that can be imposed in the name of fighting it.

  • P.S. I recall in the 90’s the peak of Political Correctness college campuses around the country more or less instantly caving to a whole host of obnoxious leftist harassment policies. Invading the high schools and elementary schools has always been a little tougher with parents being close to the school and while they let plenty of junk in, they could circle the wagons when it got out of hand. Anti-bullying provides the Trojan horse progressives have been looking for.

  • Dan Savage’s column is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read. Savage is no journalist. He is a radical, Christian-hating homsexualist extremist. His column is carried in those nearly worthless free weekly newspapers available in most cities (City Paper, Scene, and other screeds of garbage).

    I am not surprised that the Obumbler Misadministration would hire this man. He has no business speaking to high school students in any official setting.

  • Pinky-
    I guess the rest of us consider an administration raising funds for, devoting a section of the official White House website to and cutting multiple commercials for person and their themed cause to be a pretty solid connection. His campaign took the place of the “Safe School Czar” that got disowned because of the dangerous and nasty sexual stuff (including rape) that he’d promoted.

    You are perfectly correct that his actions were those of a classic bully; I think I’ve observed here before that the folks on my “friends” list that are fastest to jump on this campaign are the same ones who bullied me in school.

  • @Scott W: I agree with you. That is why we as Catholics must take a high road, and stand up to this outrage while at the same time teaching our children to lead moral lives. Shall we stand aside while a gay student is bullied? Does this not make as as bad as the people in the story of the Good Samaritan?

    Furthermore, terms such as ‘Obumbler Misadministration’, ‘this pig Dan Savage’, ‘disturbed crapweasel’ as used in some of the comments here in, only fan Mr Savage’s hatred, for they are as bad as his name called of ‘pansy-a**ed’. I do not expect people to refer to him or the President as angels, for you have every right to point out their errors. We must never stoop to the level that Mr Savage did in his presentation

  • Fox – My point is, if one of us gets into a debate six months from now and cites the statements of Obama’s anti-bullying czar, he’s going to look silly if the other guy fact-checks it. We’re the good guys, and that means we have to win our arguments with facts.

  • This is another one of Obama’s sleazy minions. They are getting bolder now because they feel that they can’t loose and momentum is behind them. I say bring it on. Don’t underestimate Christians and God…….Don’t underestimate true Americans either.

  • Defender-
    No, they are not as bad as Savage’s diatribes- for starters, because Obama and Savage are not a high school girls.
    False equivalency doesn’t help.

    and mine is that if someone wants to go “yeah, he invited the guy to the White House, dedicated the only subcategory on civil rights at the Whitehouse.gov to his campaign and cut a ton of commercials, including one by the President himself, but they didn’t officially call him an anti-bullying czar!” then they aren’t going to bother with arguing in good faith. It’s like suggesting that you lower crime by redefining what’s a crime.

  • @Foxfier: Consider, please, that ‘adult to adult’ name calling, a la ‘sleazy minions’ sends a message that teaches youth that at a peer to peer level such behavior is acceptable. Consider also that Mr Savage’s taunting of Rick Santorum via his Spreading Santorum website is then also acceptable social discourse,a nd not bullying. (I will not post the URL to this tasteless site and advise those who desire to gogle for it). Such things are unacceptable at any level.

    I ask those who engage in name calling and other such actions this. If your teenage son or daughter came home and began railing about a fellow student as being a f_gg_t or a d_ke, or that he or she stood around and laughed while a student was beaten up for being gay, how would you react. What if your own son or daughter, who is heterosexual, was taunted in a similar because he was active in the arts or she was active in sports, was made the target of bullying, what would you do? Mr Savage’s approach to this, as shown by his actions and words, is totally wrong to be sure. However, we as parents and Catholics, must teach our children to ‘love the sinner hate the sin’. I feel that we don’t do this, if we ourselves fail to respect each other and those in authority, especially when disagreeing with their stances.

  • “I ask those who engage in name calling and other such actions this. If your teenage son or daughter came home and began railing about a fellow student as being a f_gg_t or a d_ke, or that he or she stood around and laughed while a student was beaten up for being gay, how would you react. What if your own son or daughter, who is heterosexual, was taunted in a similar because he was active in the arts or she was active in sports, was made the target of bullying, what would you do?”

    I’d be appalled and tell him or her to stop it immediately.

    The trouble is, there’s a difference between taunting/bullying of children/teens and–yes–mere insult slung between adults. Like it or not, invective between adults is something of a given even within the long, rich history of Catholicism. It’s not to be used often, but it never has been abjured. Adults are expected to have thicker skin, and recognize that fact. It does not authorize extremes of behavior, but an insult-free world is not possible, and, if you want a free society, not even desirable.

  • Defender-
    if you think that standing by when someone is assaulted is the same as an adult in a position of power screaming profane insults at a teenage girl is the same as adult-to-adult name calling is the same as derogatory but arguably accurate descriptions, I’d have to question your judgement.

    What I would tell my girls to do would depend on what happened. Most likely, since they are my girls, I’d find out about there being physical bullying when I storm into the school to rip a new one from the administration that expels them for defense. It’s a family tradition. If they stood by when someone was assaulted, they’ll get a tongue lashing and guilt trip from heck– that is not acceptable.
    Beyond that, response depends on details. I was taunted as a supposed homosexual all through high school and was borderline verbally bullied by a teacher. (borderline because she was within acceptable behavior between adults, and I responded as an adult) I derailed the physical bullying that probably would have followed on pure instinct when a guy grabbed my book bag and I not only caught up to him, but sent him rolling when I snatched it back.

    I will teach them that a lot of bullying is simply pathetic losers using what ever power they have to make themselves feel better without having to work or risk anything. Those who spat on my uncles when they came back, the vandals who attacked the church in Portland, most vandals, fifty year old men who have to harass teens that disagree with them, even combox trolls and gankers. It doesn’t make it better, but understanding motivations is an important first step, especially since bullies generally style themselves as victims. (how conscious that styling is varies, though)

  • “I will teach them that a lot of bullying is simply pathetic losers using what ever power they have to make themselves feel better without having to work or risk anything. Those who spat on my uncles when they came back, the vandals who attacked the church in Portland, most vandals, fifty year old men who have to harass teens that disagree with them, even combox trolls and gankers. It doesn’t make it better, but understanding motivations is an important first step, especially since bullies generally style themselves as victims. (how conscious that styling is varies, though)”


  • Defender,

    Here we have two service organizations, one run by an amalgam of J-School professors and high school teachers and another run by high school teachers. They teach journalism – they surely knew of Dan Savage, who he is and what he is. Other than the crew who write for and edit The Village Voice, he might just be the most prominent denizen of the “alternative press” in the United States. In any case, he is easy to research. They invited him anyway. The invitation makes no sense whatsoever – except as a manifestation of the social tendency you see among ‘activists’ to parasitically colonize organizations and put them to work on behalf of their personal political propaganda. No set of ‘activists’ is more assiduous than the gay lobby about this sort of thing.

    A second aspect of this is the sheer vulgarity of the man and the degree to which he manifests arrested development in the grossest way. There was no secret about this. He flaunts it. They invited him anyway. You can call it ‘declining standards of classiness’, but that is an anodyne way of putting it.

    Given all this, I see in your wisdom that the problem here is that people use terms like ‘Obumbler Misadministration’ and ‘crapweasel’. Kindly learn to set priorities, and buzz off until you do. (That was not ‘name-calling’, by the way).

  • @Foxfier: I do not feel that standing by when someone is assaulted is the same as an adult in a position of power screaming profane insults at a teenage girl. I do know first hand that word have the power to inflict as much damage though based upon personal experience. The verbal abuse I took as teen from my mother for being gentle, studious and kind, if not exhibiting somewhat feminine attributes, even through totally heterosexual, still haunts me to this day.

    Can you tell me that using terms like ‘Obummer’ or ‘Democraps’ or ‘Libtards’ as seen in comboxes on Fox News is arguably accurate or even acceptable? Can you tell me that Rush Limbaugh’s demeaning description of Sandra Fluke, even if she met the dictionary description of the term, was acceptable?

    My bottom line here is If a teenager or child see this done at home in adult to adult discourse, or peer to peer discourse, it will signal that it is okay to do amongst there own peers. The signal sent by Mr Savage to his allies is that it is okay to bully Christians because they believe in ‘bullsh_t’, just don’t bully us. Do we not send the same signal when we do the same Mr Savage or the President or Democrats because they believe in ‘bullsh_t’?

    I shall not engage in such such discourse.

  • I do not feel that standing by when someone is assaulted is the same as an adult in a position of power screaming profane insults at a teenage girl.

    Then why did you equate them?

    The signal sent by Mr Savage to his allies is that it is okay to bully Christians because they believe in ‘bullsh_t’, just don’t bully us. Do we not send the same signal when we do the same Mr Savage or the President or Democrats because they believe in ‘bullsh_t’?

    No, it doesn’t.

    Again, you’re equating enormously different things– in this case, a 50 year old man in a position of authority screaming ignorantly incorrect insults at a teenage girl with an adult mocking another adult on the basis of rationally defensible views.

  • I shall not engage in such such discourse.

    Fine. Just don’t expect everyone else to act like everything you find disrespectful contributes to bullying.

  • Defender – For what it’s worth, I agree with you. It’s both strategically and morally necessary for us to be readily identifiable as “the good guys”.

  • While Pinky is likely correct, Obama is receiving exactly what the liberals gave (and continue to give) former President Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney (who they now maintain did not deserve his recent heart transplant).

  • BTW, bullies like Dan Savage never come to a good end, as 2nd Kings 2:23-24 points out:

    23 [ Elisha ] went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.

  • Paul W Primavera-
    I must disagree, Obama is getting a faint echo of what Bush got. Probably just because conservatives tend to be older, and folks that are young are often more…um… hotblooded.

    Defender isn’t suggesting tactics, he’s claiming it’s the same. You can think NObama stickers are a bad idea without thinking they’re the same as “F Bush” stickers.

  • Foxfier,

    I stand – er, sit – corrected – again! Thank you. The news media treats Obama with tender kid gloves while they bashed (and continue to bash) former President Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney.

    I wonder if God still has those she-bears in reserve?


  • *grin* Sorry, Paul, I know I’m being a bit hard-line here, but it’s a common rhetorical tactic to make claims that are too expansive, but correct enough that the other side doesn’t deny them. Used by bullies and other abusers, it ends up with the person who didn’t correct the too broad brush being responsible for what is done to them.

  • Oh, Dan Savage. If you’re going to critique a religion, learn about it first. I’ve heard high school and college students engage in more nuanced debate that this man.

    And even if the kids walking out were in the wrong, did that justify calling them “pansyasses?” What good are they going to take away from your speech?

    Not to mention that walking out on a speech you find seriously offensive rather than cheering along with your peers or sitting quietly actually takes some serious guts, especially for a teenager.

    It’s a shame, really, because elements of the “It Gets Better” campaign are positive. Unfortunately, the speech and the movement in general imply that condemning behavior equals bullying, and that’s not the case.

  • I’m not aware of a rule of morality, ethics, manners or civility that was violated by the students who walked out. Good for them for standing up for their beliefs and showing that they are not sheep. Savage behaved like a complete jerk, and there is no reason one is required to listen to another ridicule his religious beliefs without a fair opportunity to respond. I cannot imagine what theory that would be based on.

  • I completely concur Mike. Savage lived down to his name, and the students who walked out were refusing to be bullied, and provided a good example of how to deal with a foul mouthed bully.

  • Can you tell me that using terms like ‘Obummer’ or ‘Democraps’ or ‘Libtards’ as seen in comboxes on Fox News is arguably accurate or even acceptable?

    Not acceptable. However, contextually, it is nearly irrelevant.

    Can you tell me that Rush Limbaugh’s demeaning description of Sandra Fluke, even if she met the dictionary description of the term, was acceptable?

    Crude, but acceptable.

    My bottom line here is If a teenager or child see this done at home in adult to adult discourse, or peer to peer discourse, it will signal that it is okay to do amongst there own peers.

    Up to a point, but that is not the motor of intramural brickbats among the young nor is it much of an influence on the gay lobby.

    The verbal abuse I took as teen from my mother for being… [bad form, buddy]

    FWIW, I grew up in a social world where manners were meticulously observed among the older generation, even in their cups. Their children were still quite capable of treating each other like crap.

    What is interesting here is that you are chewing over school bullying (and attributing it to Ed Morrissey’s rude combox denizens) when nothing of the sort could be divined as occurring from the original post or the incident it described.

  • Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV.com (there is a link to that site on the right side of this page under “Catholic Punditry) has a great commentary on this topic. It shows Savage is hyping the bullying angle as pure propaganda…and that Savage is crude and rude, a pure bully in his actions.

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It Is An Ill Wind

Saturday, April 14, AD 2012


Hattip to Instapundit.   As faithful readers of this blog know, I am, for my sins no doubt, an attorney.  My bankruptcy practice has grown 20-25% each year of the Obama administration:


Tax refunds being used to pay for bankruptcy filings. “More than 200,000 money-strapped households will use their tax refunds this year to pay for bankruptcy filing and legal fees, says a new study by the National Bureau of Economic Research.”

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  • Former FDIC Chairman (was possibly the only competent person in DC since Bush left) has a modest proposal (Swiftian) in the Wa Post.

    She wants to end income inequality and stimulate the economy by providing to the American household the same loans Bernanke, Geithner, and Obama have been giving to Goldman Sachs, AIG, JPMorganChase, et al since late 2008.

    The Fed has been handing Trillons $$$ in basically interest-free loans to banks to spark the recovery.

    Ms. Bair suggests that each American household receive access to the Fed printing press by be granted a $10 million interest free loan.

    This way Main Street gets a piece of the action as well as Wall Street. And, no bureaucrats are involved.

    Makes as much sense as handing interest-free trillions to billionaire banksters.

    Tell me again why you voted for Obama . . .

  • Two of my daughters lost their homes and are now renting. One’s husband’s overtime was cut off. The other daughter’s job was sent to Japan (where their product was inferior because they did not know what they were doing) Now, she is making sandwiches in a Seven Eleven while trying to put her children, my grandchildren, through college. The bank refused to take the key to the house back, leaving her with a mortgage forever. My son and the famly all helped. Her house was sold, but there was only so much we could do. Do not let Obama tell anyone that the stimulus package was anything but to get him reelected. Obama is pretty sure of being reelected, but not with my vote.

  • Obama is pretty sure of being reelected,

    How so?

  • Art Deco: I am doing everything possible to ensure FREEDOM.

  • Middle class manufacturing jobs have been going overseas since the ealry 80’s.
    We started loosing jobs well before Obama came into office. It’s not him nor was it Bush. It’s the rules that allow the highest top 5% to run things the way it benefits them. Corporations have been getting breaks long before Obama and we were not getting those breaks before him either.
    We need strong middle class and a viable third political party.
    We can’t spend $trillions on poorly strategized wars that provide no clear winners and expect the economy to shine. It’s all of us – keep buying your goods from overseas, but keep complaining about the economy…my car was made in Indiana…how bout yours?…what percentage of durable goods in your household were built in America?
    Our policies stink and are counter to growing a strong middle class. Don’t need a president for that.
    We need to generate the political will to make the changes required. The republicans have the house, but what bills have they produce or gotten into law that help the middle class? This shouldn’t be us vs them…it should be how we are going to get together to solve the root causes of the problems you’re all complaining about. Certainly Mitt isn’t the answer…

Obama’s Justice Department Agrees to Pay $120,000.00 To Pro-Life Protestor Over Frivolous Prosecution

Monday, April 9, AD 2012



Hattip to Tina Korbe at Hot Air.  The complete contempt that the Obama administration has for the civil liberties of Americans was exemplified in its prosecution of pro-life protestor Mary Pine.


The Justice Department has dropped an appeal in Holder v. Pine against pro-life sidewalk counselor Mary “Susan” Pine, who is represented by the civil rights firm Liberty Counsel. The DOJ has agreed to pay $120,000 for this frivolous lawsuit which, as the evidence indicated, was intended to intimidate Ms. Pine and send a shot over the bow of pro-lifers around the country.

Mr. Holder unsuccessfully sought thousands of dollars in fines against Ms. Pine, as well as a permanent injunction banning her from counseling women on the public sidewalk outside the Presidential Women’s Center (PWC) abortion mill (or any other “reproductive services” clinic).

After 18 months of litigation, the DOJ’s case was thrown out of federal court, and the department was chastised in a scathing ruling by U.S. District Judge Kenneth Ryskamp for filing a case with no evidence.

Judge Ryskamp wrote that Holder’s complete failure to present any evidence of wrongdoing, coupled with the DOJ’s cozy relationship with PWC and their apparent joint decision to destroy video surveillance footage of the alleged “obstruction,” caused the court to suspect a conspiracy at the highest levels of the Obama administration. “The Court is at a loss as to why the Government chose to prosecute this particular case in the first place,” wrote Judge Ryskamp. “The Court can only wonder whether this action was the product of a concerted effort between the Government and PWC, which began well before the date of the incident at issue, to quell Ms. Pine’s activities rather than to vindicate the rights of those allegedly aggrieved by Ms. Pine’s conduct.”

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  • Thank God for Ms. Pine and her courage (and attorneys).

    I’d like to know what personal responsibility Holder and his minions bear for such frivolous cases under the law and what would stand in the way to prevent such abuse of discretion in the future?

  • Prosecutors Paul can be held personally liable but it is extremely difficult. Go here for a good overview:


  • As the Arbiter and Supreme Justice of that Divine “Department” of Justice, God Himself will hold Eric Holder and Barack Hussein OBama accountable.

  • People like Holder and Obama don’t seem to care what God has in store for them. It is their loss. Holder pulled of a most difficult task – being a worse Attorney General than Janet Reno.

  • I would like to second Paul D. Thank God for Ms. Pine and her attorneys. I also am grateful they didn’t get some crazy judge. Who knows what could have happened

  • Penguins Fan,

    I agree. However, I came across the following last night as part of my evening devotional:

    “To the choirmaster. Of David. 1* * The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good. 2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there are any that act wisely, that seek after God. 3 They have all gone astray, they are all alike corrupt; there is none that does good, no, not one. 4 Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread, and do not call upon the LORD? 5 There they shall be in great terror, for God is with the generation of the righteous. 6 You would confound the plans of the poor, but the LORD is his refuge. 7 O that deliverance for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, Israel shall be glad.” Psalm 14

  • This is what they did to Mr. Joe Scheidler. This is posted at Creative Minority Report in response to Rebecca Taylor. If this is unacceptable then, please remove it but my shouting is in capital letters.
    “Our current situation began with this bit of rationalizing about “reproductive rights” not actually in the Constitution by the US Supreme Court and it continues unabated:
    “If the right of privacy means anything, it is the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child.”
    LOOK, LOOK, AT WHAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID: “unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person as the decision whether to bear or beget a child.” OR BEGET A CHILD, OR BEGET A CHILD, OR BEGET A CHILD MEANS THAT A CHILD BEGOTTEN IS A CHILD BEGOTTEN. The child begotten is a child begotten, not a clump of cells, not the product of conception, or the contents of the womb, A CHILD BEGOTTEN, A CHILD BEGOTTEN WHEN TWO BECOME ONE, A SOVEREIGN PERSON, A HUMAN BEING COMPOSED OF IMMORTAL, RATIONAL SOUL AND A HUMAN BODY IS A CHILD BEGOTTEN.
    Planned Parenthood has been swindling us.
    In Engel.v. Vitale, the SUPREME COURT SAID THAT THE ATHEIST “COULD GO HER OWN WAY”. The newspapers bannered PRAYER BAN. The atheist has been swindling us since then, taking away our civil rights to acknowledge our Creator of unalienable rights, our freedom of speech to God, our freedom of press and peaceable assembly by describing prayer as a crime. FREEDOM

  • Ome should be worried. The DOJ still sent a message much like it sent a message when refusing to prosecute Black Panthers in Philadelphia for voter intimidation. Thuggery is disguised in business suits and while Ms. Pine benefitted from a good referree in Judge Ryskamp, the next Ms. pine might find herself before Judge Ideology.

  • I’m guessing we haven’t seen the last of this sort of thing. After all, the 120K
    settlement is only taxpayer money– Holder, the PWC and the attorneys prosecuting
    Mary Pine are not themselves out any cash. For them, I’m sure this episode is merely
    an opportunity to refine their skills at harassment and intimidation, at no cost to

    I agree with Cthemfly25: the DOJ succeeded in sending its message to those who
    would inconvenience the abortion industry. Next time the case might be decided in
    the court of a judge more amenable to the ideology of the administration.

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20 Responses to Tell Us What You Really Think About the Obama Administration Mr. Whittle

  • VOTE like your life depends on it because it does.

  • What Mary De Voe said. I cannot print in a public forum what I said to myself as I watched this video. Neither in English nor in Latin is it suitable for reading. But that is eactly how I feel about that godless man of sin and depravity. Lord Jesus forgive – and him, for he knows not what he does.

  • Bill has provided a full list, but certainly not complete. I wish he would have mentioned Obama using the 1st Amendment as a red carpet to walk to his dream of socialized medicine by trampling on the conscience of the religious.

  • Optimus Prime!!! Hahaha… but in all seriousness, this is a damning list.

  • I am sick of my country being defiled by this two-bit racial rabble-rouser from the south side.

  • I’ve served three Administrations. No prior Administration, in my experience, has reached farther down the policy ladder than this one. The Obama Administration has politicised the most local decisions, throwing into chaos day-to-day operations. And this from a man who derided Bush’s use of Executive Orders as unconstitutional overreach.

  • Transparency alright … with schizoid accusations and derision of others about the ways of themselves.
    Have acronymed t-shirt on box lunch-fed rabble, Will rouse division, racism, and voters.
    Their ‘men with guns’ will protect them when the rabble, no longer useful, wants more; when they won’t be inclined to be philanthropic with their own payola benefits because the timing of planned uprisings is set for when they are gone. A Presidential Administration of the United States, which both God and the world watch, yes – ‘two-bit rabble-rousers’ unfortunately fits.
    They and we must have a few US coins around to remind of us all of ‘In God We Trust’, if nothing else, and beg for His Mercy the way its done in the Psalms.
    This coming Holy Week is the time to remember and grasp what strength and goodness are – and are not.

  • … the way it’s done in the Psalms.

  • In my estimation, if a Catholic has yet to study – and learn from – the Church’s history confronting communists and other totalitarians in the twentieth century, that person is lagging behind… If you haven’t, consider reading Royal’s Catholic Martyrs of the Twentieth Century. At this point in the history of the United States, the papal encyclicals Mit Brennender Sorge (www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html) and Divini Redemptoris (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19031937_divini-redemptoris_en.html) are essential reading.

    The writings of Fr. John Hardon also illuminate the contemporary American situation:

  • I would rather forget about it and Pray that may be foregiven. It’s the Christian to do..

  • A very spirited attack litany, and IMO totally justified.
    I have heard in the past few weeks reference to Obama’s employment of Alinsky’s philosophy, and Bill mentions it about 1m.20s. into his address. Interestingly, I am halfway through Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” – a book I heard of decades ago, and have just now got to read.. The criticism is definitely valid.

    You can be assured that it is not only Americans who are busting to see this apology for a president gone. The problem is that his bile is infecting much more that internal USA.;

  • PM: “…because the timing of planned uprisings is set for when they are gone. ” Rosary Victory, the world’s only hope and change.

  • Don’t forget the enablers, among them the media whores who brought things to this pass. I remember the George Stephanapoulos (I cannot be bothered to get the name right) interview where Obama was cajoled into blurting out “Jesus Christ is my Saviour”. Yeah right. These are the same people who retain RM Nixon as a bogeyman of sorts. Compared to this lot, Pres Nixon was a saint. Think back to all the tomes written about Watergate, all that bellyache over something that FDR would not even blink doing. All that righteous rage and see what what Clinton and Obama are getting away with now under the noses of the same media. Conservatives have to realise that for the left the only principle is expediency, they have to play by the same rules.

  • Edward Radler Rice: Thank you for the index to the papal encyclicals Mit Brennender Sorge and Father John Hardon.

  • Yes, thank you for the link to Pope Pius XI’s ‘Divini Redemptoris’. He captured the drift of today’s world and helps with timeless advice. I haven’t read the other links yet …

  • Obama needs four more years.

    It’s taking longer than anticipated to destroy the American Dream.

  • Even though he wasn’t telling us, we got clued in. We heard him assure another world leader that he can do more with the flexibility and space the next four years will offer.
    Seven months, six days …

  • I am no fan of the Weathervane, but if it is the Weathervane versus Obumbler, there is no choice…we have to vote for the Weathervane.

    Optimus Prime would easily make a better president than Obama. So would Megatron, for that matter. Obumbler could not lead a pack of rats to a garbage dump.

    My 4 year old loves Transformers, as did my little brother in the 1980s.

  • When Obamacare is struck down in the Supreme Court as being unconstitutional, Obama may bring Obamacare and its defeat to the International Criminal Court of the United Nations for amelioration of the sting of defeat, to prolong the case before election, to satisfy some of the more virulent proponents of abortion, one world government under the mortgage company and population control, to enshrine the power of the United Nations and international law already embraced by Ruth Bader Ginsburg over the United States, and especially, to eradicate the founding principles of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
    Should Obama attempt to impose international law over American citizens, Obama must be impeached at all costs. Obama must be stripped of American citizenship, a citizenship Obama has disrespected, disregarded and disgraced, a citizenship Obama has actually discarded as being irrelevant.

  • Today, Wednesday April 4th, the reading at Mass from Isaiah Isaiah 50: 8-9 He is near who upholds my right, if anyone wishes to oppose me, let us appear together. Who disputes my right? LET HIM CONFRONT ME. See, the Lord God is my help who will prove me wrong?” is our constitutional civil right to be faced by our accuser in a court of law-habeas corpus- found also in the Magna Carta. Obama took the phrase protecting the citizens of the United States out of the National Defense Authorization Act AFTER the NDAA was passed by Congress and BEFORE Obama signed the NDAA. American citizens may be detained without charges indefinitely. Obama is poised to seize all private property from persons who are non-compliant with his Obamacare through Rural Councils, Executive Order 13575.

Bishops? We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Bishops!

Tuesday, March 13, AD 2012


In the spirit of the Obama Worship Day at Notre Dame in 2009, Notre Dame Professor of Philosophy Gary Cutting has a recent article in the New York Times, the high worship rag for all liberal apostate Catholics, in which he explains why Catholics should not pay attention to the Bishops and the silly fuss they are making over the HHS Mandate, which, among other things, rips to shreds freedom of religion enshrined in the First Amendment.  I was going to give the article a fisking to remember, but Christopher Johnson, a non-Catholic who has taken up the cudgels so frequently in defense of the Church that I have named him Defender of the Faith, has beaten me to it:

Roman Catholics will be interested to learn that Gary Gutting, a philosophy professor at Notre Dame and someone who claims to be a Catholic, recently discovered that the Reformation is finally over and that the Protestants won:

What interests me as a philosopher — and a Catholic — is that virtually all parties to this often acrimonious debate have assumed that the bishops are right about this, that birth control is contrary to “the teachings of the Catholic Church.” The only issue is how, if at all, the government should “respect” this teaching.

Good question since Gutting thinks that Catholics have pretty much plowed it under and sowed the furrows with nuclear waste.

As critics repeatedly point out, 98 percent of sexually active American Catholic women practice birth control, and 78 percent of Catholics think a “good Catholic” can reject the bishops’ teaching on birth control.  The response from the church, however, has been that, regardless of what the majority of Catholics do and think, the church’s teaching is that birth control is morally wrong.  The church, in the inevitable phrase, “is not a democracy.”   What the church teaches is what the bishops (and, ultimately, the pope, as head of the bishops) say it does.

The bishops aren’t the boss of us!!

But is this true?  The answer requires some thought about the nature and basis of religious authority.  Ultimately the claim is that this authority derives from God.  But since we live in a human world in which God does not directly speak to us, we need to ask, Who decides that God has given, say, the Catholic bishops his authority?

Who died and made the bishops religious leaders?

It makes no sense to say that the bishops themselves can decide this, that we should accept their religious authority because they say God has given it to them.  If this were so, anyone proclaiming himself a religious authority would have to be recognized as one.  From where, then, in our democratic, secular society does such recognition properly come?  It could, in principle, come from some other authority, like the secular government.  But we have long given up the idea (“cujus regio, ejus religio”) that our government can legitimately designate the religious authority in its domain.  But if the government cannot determine religious authority, surely no lesser secular power could.  Theological experts could tell us what the bishops have taught over the centuries, but this does not tell us whether these teachings have divine authority.

Out: cujus regio, ejus religio.  In: vox populi vox dei.

In our democratic society the ultimate arbiter of religious authority is the conscience of the individual believer. It follows that there is no alternative to accepting the members of a religious group as themselves the only legitimate source of the decision to accept their leaders as authorized by God.  They may be wrong, but their judgment is answerable to no one but God.  In this sense, even the Catholic Church is a democracy.

You know that joke I like to make about how in the future, everybody, to paraphrase Andy Warhol, will be an Episcopal bishop for fifteen minutes?  As far as Gutting is concerned, every single Roman Catholic is a bishop right now.

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  • Who died and made the bishops religious leaders?

    Oh, it’s on the tip of my tongue…begins with a J …. Jim… John …. Joe… Jesse… Jesus!! That’s it.

  • What I read in here is all true. There is nothing other than the Church that claims the Bishops have the authority of Christ to teach in the name of Christ. However, it is stated in the Bible (which was given to us through Tradition passed to us through the Church), that these men were given the authority by Christ himself. Of course, one would have to have Faith in order to “buy in” to that system. Otherwise, it does all become about power and autonomy and the most popular belief (as we have seen work to the great demise of most protestant faith traditions). Do I believe that the Bishops have the authority to teach and have consistently lead the Church through the past 2000 years by the direction of the Holy Spirit? Yes or No? The evidence certainly would point in favor of the constant teachings of the Church, but it still requires faith and a bit of humility. Unfortunately, those are two qualities this world despises. This professors is logically correct in his argument, saying that however, logic and reason can take you only so far. At some point, you must either ascent to the truth or you must deny it. It’s a shame so many choose to deny it, but that doesn’t make it less true.

  • Remember, the whole point of President Caiaphas’ efforts, and those of his infernal minions, is to cause the Church’s charities, medical facilities and social services to close, so they can take over.

    That makes Professor Gutting (ironic, that) a Fascist pig, since anything which does not stand in defense of the First Amendment’s Freedom of Religion clause then stands against it. Any attempt to weaken the Church or divide its members is an attack by the powers of darkness and oppression.

    Surely, a Professor of Philosophy at Notre Dame cannot be stupid enough to not see what he’s doing. Thus, it must logically follow that he has consciously and purposefully enlisted in the ranks of the Godless totalitarians, seeking by intent to ruin the Church and eviscerate America in the process. By this overt action he could, and should, be excommunicated.

    What will it take to start the excommunications en masse? What will it take to have the Bishops stand up and slice these forked-tonged serpents to tiny bits? Why so long?

  • I have recently read somewhere that these “so-called” catholics have excommunicated themselves….a pattern that has come about perhaps since Vatican 2. The article I cite did put forth the idea that the Bishops were very careful not to sound too dogmatic! ha ha…..I, for one, would love to hear a Bishop or Cardinal speak out about our high profile catholics (small c)…Let Nancy Pelosi, Kathleen Sibelius, and others of their ilk be called on the carpet…I hope I am not sounding judgemental, but it might be the one of the jobs of the hierarchy to excommunicate people. The time has come for those closest to the Lord to take a stand!

  • What are Catholics to think about their bishops when they preach the evil of abortion and glad hand the purveyors of it. I’m talking about their cozy relationship with the democrats. When I witnessed Ted Kennedys funeral and the reception of his casket by the Cardinal of DC I wanted to puke. The excuse for overlooking his evil was the social justice babble. Once again they threw their weight behind the dems with obamacare and are surprised by what came out of that public financing of abortion. These are highly educated men how can they be so foolish to have trusted the radical community organizer in the white house to produce a clean reasonable bill. Do they think now that abortion is the only horror in this bill, have they not figured out that the handicapped the elderly and those babies with handicaps that were lucky enough to make it into the world will have reduced medical care as in the eyes of some of his advisors are of little use to the state. There are some good thoughtful bishops who adhere to church teaching and then there are the others unfortunately the ones usually quoted by the media are the misguided ones.

  • Is the following quote pertinent to both clerics and laity?

    “What is reprehensible is that, while leading good lives themselves and abhorring those of wicked men, some fearing to offend shut their eyes to evil deeds instead of condemning them and pointing out their malice. To be sure, the motive behind their tolerance is that they may suffer no hurt in the possession of those temporal goods which virtuous and blameless men may lawfully enjoy; still, there is more self-seeking here than becomes men who are mere sojourners in this world and who profess hope of a home in heaven.” from St. Augustine, The City of God.

  • Finite minds need infinite wisdom.

  • JANE a. Sebelius was instructed to not present herself for Holy Communion by her bishop and Pelosi was called to the Vatican. Pelosi’s meeting with Pope Benedict XVI remains private. I think Pelosi and Sebelious do so much bellowing about being Catholic because they are not Catholic and have been chained. Pelosi and Sebelius are like chained devils, rattling their chains.

Weakness and The Truth

Friday, March 2, AD 2012

“Put you on the armour of God, that you may be able to stand against the deceits of the devil.  For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places. Therefore, take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day and to stand in all things perfect”  Epistle of St. Paul to the Ephesian 6: 11-13


Mr. Voris is exactly right.  The American bishops are asking for a fight after having failed to feed, train and arm their military.  There is no way a single letter, as well intentioned and necessary as it is, read from the pulpit on a single Sunday, urging us to call our elected representatives, is going to save our freedoms and protect our right to practice the faith that Christ handed to us.  It will not help catechize the silly young woman mentioned in the Real Catholic video, nor will it educate the nation as to why the Church teaches abortion, artificial contraception and sterilization are evils.

I hate to say this but in many ways the bishops almost deserve to be ignored. Truth be told, they have lost an immense amount of respect among the devout laity (the non-devout obviously having no respect for them). This is not a loss of respect for the position,  but for the men and the way they hold it; weak and timidly.  The result is a wasteland of liberalism and heresy that is to be found in so many parishes across our nation.  Now, after having the President of the US attempt to force them into committing mortal sin, they want the help of those few who actually believe, practice and uphold the faith to come to the rescue.

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  • Very well said, Walter! Ezekiel 34:1-10 comes to mind.

  • I am writing the following comment because at some point the responsibility to find the TRUTH is squarely on our shoulders and no one elses. Hopefully for her someone confronts her with love at CUA regarding these truths.

    You know what?! I am a weak Catholic and at times more than I care to count or think about I am a c-o-w-a-r-d. That’s right I am a coward. Does it make it right for me to be one to retreat into my cowardice? Do I take up a political lobby and make people embrace my cowardice? No I have no recourse but to beg God and the Saints to pray for the grace for me to do better. I need to the courage to explain WITH LOVE the wrongness of homosexuality, contraception, abortion, et al to my wife. I need the courage to tell my kids that they need to go to mass and say prayers with Daddy. I need the courage to pray on my own and go to adoration because without that I cannot and will not survive this world and in some way lead them safely to the next. In some ways it would be easy to go to the other side. But how can I pervert truth to fit what I want to believe to make it easier for myself? I have already told God once I will be right back, once. Now I have people that are (whether they know it or not) depending on me to get them to heaven. I just need men (faithful priests/other men) and God & Heaven to get me there.

  • Required: courage and humility.

    I think of Veronica who had the courage to express her love for Our Lord in the midst of a hate-filled crowd. The Sixth Station of the Cross: “Veronica wipes the Face of Jesus.”

    Pray for courage to step up and profess our loyalty to Christ.

    I was thinking of hateful Pelosi’s garbage gab about how the bishops did not enforce Church Teachings and her rat-reasoning that they ought to continue the error.

    One needs the humility to admit you were wrong.

    I have experience in this. Infrequently, in my line, I need to correct a “loose interpretation” or “inconsistent application” (heh) of a principle(s) that our people had missed. The complaint is, “You didn’t ‘ding’ us for this last year.” My answer is, “To err is human. That doesn’t make the discrepancy less wrong or mean that we can allow it to persist.” And, from then on we do it right. It is embarrassing, but they get over it and you restore your authority.

  • Michael – I hope that no one posts a comment that criticizes you for what you’ve just said.

    The first thing you need to do is return to prayer. Get comfortable with it again. If you’ve been away from the Church, go to Confession. And don’t worry about having to bulldoze your wife and kids into the understanding and practice of the faith. As it becomes more a part of your life, you’ll find yourself communicating it more through your example (and the words will start to come natural enough too).

    I don’t know if you really are a coward; it’s not cowardice that keeps me from throwing a 40-yard perfect spiral, it’s the fact that I’m out of shape. That makes it embarrasing to go out onto the practice field and work on my throwing.

    I’ve known converts and reverts over the years. I’m more of a revert myself than I’d like to admit, due to a particularly lazy stretch in college. It takes determination to get back, but more often than not it just takes a start. Don’t psych yourself out. Just do it. And please be willing to hang around this site and keep us informed. There are plenty of sites that can give you the encouragement that you’re looking for.

  • Pinky — If someone does criticize me then I will take the good from it and move on. Prayer yes I am with you. I need prayer and when I miss a day or two day I can tell that I have missed it.

    Bulldozing them with my faith…I don’t expose them to my faith, it seems to me, at all. I feel that I hide it from them for fear of the criticism…hence cowardice. I dont expect my wife to practice her faith and do pray for her and offer up all that I have for her to see more clearly (make sense?). As far as my kids they are 5 and 3. I have a duty as a father to take them to mass and pray with them but again the coward in me is a problem, and my wife is sometimes hostile to the faith.

    I am a revert and ask for the grace of perseverance to keep going and even get more couragous especially these days of “apathy to religious freedom” which breathes down my neck just a little bit more every day.

    I am determined but need other men/dads and God to give me the courage to ACT OUT/DO what is right and just. Thank you for your words of encouragement. I do like this site and have been checking it on a regular basis.

  • Michael P,

    I think you are quite courageous. As for exposing your family to the faith, shine your light before men. Sometimes the only exposure you can give is your behavior. My ex-wife is an atheist and my children are in her custody. When I returned to the faith and began to pray the Rosary every night, she fell away from me till the point of divorce came. There was and is nothing I can say, and indeed to say anything to my ex-wife only arouses great ire. And since I do not have custodianship of my children, I have very limited influence outside of my daily phone calls (because of my job, we live 800 plus miles apart, so frequent visits are not possible). The only sermon we can sometimes give is how we live our lives, which I admit I often fail at. I do what I can, and I pray the Rosary for her and for my cihildren every day. Thank God for the Confessional where I can confess my faults! I can’t make this situation right, but I can do whatever little penance might help.

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  • This is not a loss of respect for the position, but for the men and the way they hold it; weak and timidly

    You nailed it, thank you for putting into words how I was trying to reconcile this whole situation. Respecting the office while still being disappointed with how our leadership has dropped the ball.

    I would also like to add all the “Catholic” governers recently approving gay marriage in various states. Very, very disappointing…… very, very sad……..

  • Michael Voris is filling the gaping hole that the bishops abandoned in the public square and the pulpit.


  • I think Voris is mostly right. The bishops and priests do have a responsibility to catechize, and they can speak with a voice of authority. But, the learned laity also have a responsibility to catechize our fellow Catholics. Sounds easy, but it can be very difficult for many Catholics are hard of heart. “What the Church teaches is my Sunday life. The rest of the week is mine.”

    I teach 8th grade faith formation (CCD). I know I teach the evils of contraception during the morality and sexuality series. But, I can’t make them accept the words. You can fill their heads but their hearts aren’t there. They may get older and publish an article for CNN saying how wonderful contraception is. I sow the seed, but it might be falling on rocks.

    So it is with the bishops and priests. They sow the seeds, but where are they falling? Reading assignment: Mark Chapter 4.

    I do agree with him that we need to hear more of the “why” does the Church take the positions it does. Most homilies in my parish fall in the park of “Jesus loves us.”, “Live right for God.”, and “Love your neighbor.” So much more to discuss.

  • By “bulldozing”, I mean that the first time the subject comes up it can feel confrontational, but as time goes on it will be less so. At some point, it starts to feel weird to *not* talk about one’s faith. Any time a person in a marriage is going through a major change in emotion or mindset, it’s natural to be hesitant to talk about it with the spouse, but it’s important to do so.

    While I clearly don’t know much about your situation, I can tell you that there are stories like Paul’s, but there are also stories of couples who’ve discovered or rediscovered their faith together. And plenty of stories where one spouse thinks the other one is weird, but learns to live with it. There are a lot worse sites a wife could find on her husband’s internet history than The American Catholic.

  • “I dont expect my wife to practice her faith and do pray for her and offer up all that I have for her to see more clearly (make sense?).’

    Ask her to say one prayer with you each night before you turn in. Husband and wife joint prayer can work wonders.

  • I did not hear a letter at our parish about contraception, but we attend a Byz Rite and have been absent from it off and on for about a month due to colds, or Scouting activities at another Church, etc and what not. What finally prompted me to call my Senators was a plea from a homeschooling group (a national legal group), not the bishops. Alas, my senators voted as I expected. They are all for contraception for the little people as a freebie.

  • there is hope: http://www.discerninghearts.com/?p=7128 Holy families inspire holy priests and holy priests inspire holy families.

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  • Michael P-

    With apologies to all lady participants here at TAC, understanding your wife’s mind is a challenge at best and sometimes downright impossible. Over 20 years of marriage, I have determined that I cannot understand “what” my wife thinks, or mostly even “how” she thinks.

    That said, though, I can tell you this. Women of character and fortitude will respect a man who lives his faith. If you confidently and matter-of-factly say “Honey, I’m taking the kids to church. Would you like to go?” and accept her answer no matter what it is, she will see your constancy of intent in a relatively short time. Then, if you offer the traditional.,quick Catholic blessing before dinner, not expecting anybody else to participate, but just doing it like asking for the peas, this will also become less-than-weird very quickly.

    It may take some quid-pro-quo, as in “And when I get back we can go to the park together.” It may take some initial mutual-benefit explanation: “And you can have the house to yourself for the next 90 minutes.”

    But, simply doing it and not making anything more out of it than if you were going down to the corner store for a gallon of milk will communicate more than all the explanations and apologias in the world. As well, the heart of a wife and mother who sees her husband expressly doing good things for her children will soften considerably. Some of the women in my wife’s social circles say that seeing their husbands happily playing with, working with or taking the kids on errands actually gets them a little “romantic,” if you catch my drift.

    Don’t worry about any of the rest. Once you have become a person who lives his faith, loves his kids (who, at 3 and 5 will go anyplace with Dad just because Dad says “Hey, kids! Let’s go!”) and respects his wife’s decisions will find in her a willing listener when you do eventually explain your viewpoints with love and kindness.

    That is, the love and kindness that comes from doing all the previously-mentioned stuff first. Don’t worry – it may take weeks if not months, but it will happen. Trust in Jesus, pray for His words to enlighten, and for the wisdom and grace of The Holy Spirit to give you the courage to simply start. One step. The rest will follow in God’s time.

Peter Shrugged

Monday, February 27, AD 2012


Year in and year out, the Catholic Church in this country, as well as around the globe, is the largest single private provider of charitable services to the poor.  However, what if a government makes it impossible for the Church to carry out her mission? The Church in America with the HHS Mandate is facing just such a dilemma, and Francis Cardinal George of the Chicago Archdiocese tells us what to expect:

The Lenten rules about fasting from food and abstaining from meat have been considerably reduced in the last forty years, but reminders of them remain in the fast days on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday and in the abstinence from meat on all the Fridays of Lent. Beyond these common sacrifices that unite us spiritually to the passion of Christ, Catholics were and are encouraged to “give up” something voluntarily for the sake of others. Often this is money that could have been used for personal purposes and instead is given to help others, especially the poor.   This year, the Catholic Church in the United States is being told she must “give up” her health care institutions, her universities and many of her social service organizations. This is not a voluntary sacrifice. It is the consequence of the already much discussed Department of Health and Human Services regulations now filed and promulgated for implementation beginning Aug. 1 of this year.

 Why does a governmental administrative decision now mean the end of institutions that have been built up over several generations from small donations, often from immigrants, and through the services of religious women and men and others who wanted to be part of the church’s mission in healing and education? Catholic hospitals, universities and social services have an institutional conscience, a conscience shaped by Catholic moral and social teaching. The HHS regulations now before our society will make it impossible for Catholic institutions to follow their conscience.

 So far in American history, our government has respected the freedom of individual conscience and of institutional integrity for all the many religious groups that shape our society. The government has not compelled them to perform or pay for what their faith tells them is immoral. That’s what we’ve meant by freedom of religion. That’s what we had believed was protected by the U.S. Constitution. Maybe we were foolish to believe so.

 What will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded? A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices: 1) secularize itself, breaking its connection to the church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop. This is a form of theft. It means the church will not be permitted to have an institutional voice in public life. 2) Pay exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable. 3) Sell the institution to a non-Catholic group or to a local government. 4) Close down.

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  • I am so depressed in having read this. But at the recent Ignited by Truth conference in Raleigh, NC over this weekend, speaker Michael Barber of the Sacred Page reminded us that Jesus Himself lost the only election He was ever in when in the courtyard before Pontius Pilate the “peepul” cried for Barabbas to be freed. It’s interesting what Barabbas means, as Mr. Barber explained it: the son of the father. Well, we have gotten the son of the father who is the devil. The question is: will we vote for him again, crying aloud regarding Yeshua, “Crucifige Eum, Crucifige Eum.”

  • The first step should be the admission by the USCCB that they were deceived into a pact with Satan when they thought that Obamacare would ensure that “basic health care should be accessible to all in a just society.” They should recant their support for this and assert their opposition to all State-enforced systems of this sort.

    Any political study at all outside of post-modern Progressive orthodoxy will show how programs run by The State eventually destroy all competition – even honestly charitable proragms whose only mission is relief to the poor – as it demands more and more power unto itself.

    It’s a real basic decision the Bishops have to face, but their solution is among the easiest to discern:

    Mk 12:17 – “Then Jesus said to them, ‘Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.’ And they were amazed at him.”

  • Has the Church, via the Bishops, fully and consciously participated in the Culture of Death. I read the following this morning and gasped. Please tell me it isn’t true.


  • @WKAiken: The first step should be the admission by the USCCB that they were deceived into a pact with Satan when they thought that Obamacare would ensure that “basic health care should be accessible to all in a just society.”

    How about having to publicly admit which of them voted for this monster? I’m very sure my bishop did and he still is taking the high road with not using very strong language to teach his flock about this issue. He uses words like, “more study needs to be done” and “full implications are not clear”. How much worse does it have to get for our Bishops to stand up to the President and say “We will go to jail in order to prevent you from taking away our rights.” Cardinal George did not mention that step.

  • The only option is to disobey the order from the HHS Secretary. It is unconstitutional on its face. Make the Obumbler Misadministration enforce it. Don’t pay the “fines”.

  • Is this the proper Catholic decision? When faced with a mandate to provide a drug to employees that may (but not necessary be used to commit a sin) the Church would rather not provide charity to the poor? I am proud of the Catholic Church’s role in providing charity and the mere suggestion that we would consider placing a higher priority on the issues surrounding contraception is horrible.

  • “I am proud of the Catholic Church’s role in providing charity and the mere suggestion that we would consider placing a higher priority on the issues surrounding contraception is horrible.”

    Contraception is sin. Romans 6:23 – “The wages of sin are death.” Therefore, the wages of contraception are death. A contraceptive culture deserves neither social justice nor the common good.

    Repentance and conversion, personal holiness and righteousness come before health and prosperity, never afterwards. Matthew 6:33 – “Seek ye FIRST the Kingdom of God….” 1st Chronicles 7:14 – “If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”

    John 6:24-27 tells about what happened when the 5000 got free handouts.

    24 So when the people saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Capernaum, seeking Jesus. 25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?” 26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27* Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you; for on him has God the Father set his seal.”


    Note that they didn’t get a 2nd free handout.

    The purpose of the Church is to save souls from hell. Your job and my job as part of our repentance is to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, comfort the sick, etc. But the Church’s job is saving souls. We are not here to create a man-made kingdom of social justice and the common good. To think that is hubris of the worst sort. We are called to do our part to save souls from the fires of hell.

    Personally, I think that maybe God is arranging things to get the Church out of the health care business and back into the business of saving souls.

  • When I saw the title I thought, “They finally ‘got it’, robbing Peter to pay Paul.”

  • The HHS mandate renders the Church incapable of accomplishing its Mission: the salvation of souls. jesus came to save souls from sin, not to end temporal suffering.

    Justice and peace fanatics insist on doing Charitable Works with other people’s money, through the coersion of government. NB: If you do it with someone else’s money, it is not Charity. Refer to the Gospel story of the “Widow’s Mite.”

  • I’m with Penguins Fan on this – isn’t that the 5th option? Civil disobedience? Don’t offer the coverage, don’t pay the fines, and take it to the mat. Imagine the news coverage – hauling religious off to prison, students blocking entrances to universities, faculties holed up on limited rations. It would make Janet Reno look like a seasoned diplomat.

  • I agree, T. Shaw with one exception: Jesus told Peter that the gates of hell will not prevail. So HHS mandate or no HHS mandate, God’s will is going to be done, and He will establish His Kingdom, not some self-appointed, self-described “do-gooder” who thinks that with just a bit more or your tax money and mine, we can provide social justice to all. Let’s have that story of the widow’s mite (Mark 12:41-44 and Luke 21:1-4).


    1* He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury; 2 and he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. 3 And he said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them; 4 for they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all the living that she had.”


    It’s interesting that in the Gospels of both Mark and Luke , right after this parable, Jesus began talking about the destruction of the Temple. I do NOT think that is coincidental. Maybe the man-made temple of social justice is about to come down.

  • Jaha,

    Reno! Anyone remember Waco, TX 1993?

    I can see the MSM painting the Church radical as they did the Branch Davidians and I can imagine Obama’s Reno clone killing . . .

    And I can envision Kmiec and all the rest nodding OKAY.

  • Elm – excellent point. I am pretty sure my parish priest did as well, in that he dances all around the issue but doesn’t come out against it directly. I would wager that we could comprise a list of “first steps” that would all make very good sense. The discernment would be to find the one (or more) that starts the effort in the right direction while keeping to Church teachings about repentance, forgiveness and propitiation.

    I have family members – obviously intelligent, composed, stable and successful – who got hooked. My own wife got hooked. We still don’t talk about that. It’s no mystery to anybody with an open pair of eyes that there is only one power behind this serpent’s tongue, and we know who that is.

    The aim is to repeal this montsrosity and remove its supporters from public life, not to abase or demean thse who may have been duped.

  • If it comes to the linking of arms to peaceably resist the arrest of those doctors, administrators and other medical people in the demosntartion that We Have Chosen Who Our Authority Is, then color me there. Martin Niemöller’s plaint will not be repeated. If they come for us first, then they will come for no more after, for they will be defeated.

    Like the song says, “We were meant to be Courageous.” The rest of the verse fits, too.

  • Here is the evil genius of obamacare. The IRS is the punitive enforcing agency for obamacare. It should be disgusting to a free people that the health care reform act grants breathtaking powers to the IRS, not as a taxing agency, but as an enforcer of this and many other mandates now emanating from this hideous legislation. Civil disobedience in what form? If the penalties are not paid, assets are seized….plain and simple—and no arrests are even necessary save but some protesters in the streets. The goal here is for a centralized government takeover of all civil and religious institutions through tax and regulatory fiat (aka soft tyranny), and this is just the beginning.

    Authentic charity is the instrument of our salvation. Church institutions provide a modus operandi for the pastoral work of saving souls. I once was privileged to hear a wise missionary say that he invites us to work with the poor, not so much for the sake of the poor, but to save our souls, the givers, through charity—that is our giving of time, treasure and talent. Therein is the true evil of statist mandates—it takes away the instruments of authentic and salvific charity and replaces it with the tyranny, disorder and a false god of of ‘public good’.

  • There are spiritual and religious reasons for how Catholics vote. 54% of Catholics who voted in the last Presidential election, voted for the pro-abortion, pro-infanticide Democrat candidate. Not only is the economy and foreign affairs in the tank, our country, spiritually, is in the tank as well. I was not one of the 54%. I can’t understand how any Catholic could have voted for Obama…except other than he was a Democrat. The problem with our country and the threat to our Constitution is coming from the Democrat Party…abortion, gay marriage, removal of prayer and seasonal displays in public structures and institutions, etc. The key to turning our country around is in the hands of the same people who put people into office who did this to our country. The question is: Is being a Democrat more important than to being a Catholic? Obama and his administration have shown us what being a Democrat means. Is that really who Catholics are? The bishops should find out and find out quickly. They should authorize a Voter Registration drive in every parish from now to the end of Registrations for this November election to give Catholics an opportunity to state who they are in a public way, and a legal way – by who they will give their name identification to. The result of that Voter Registration drive will pre warn the Bishops what the outcome of the election will be so they can better plan what actions they will take. Implementing the HHS regulations in August will, I’m sure, be suspended by court action until after the U.S. Supreme Court rules on Obamacare. How Catholics choose to register to vote would also be influential in that decision. I wouldn’t look for a lot of new Republican registrations because such Catholics deciding to remain Democrats all these years couldn’t emotionally make that choice. I know; I’ve been there and know how difficult that is. But I would hope that there would be a LARGE number of those Catholics who would remove their names from the Democrat Party Rolls and register as Independent, as I did years ago. If that happened, that would indicate the outcome of this Presidential Election because Catholics are the determining voting block on who becomes the President. It would tell judges what the public sentiment is of an important segment of the population which is directly impacted by Obamacare and the HHS regulations. And it would be a gut check for so many Catholics, including the clergy, as to how honest they are to what they profess to belief and pray for in the Profession of Faith and the Lord’s Prayer in Sunday Masses. Do they put God’s will before man’s?

  • “So, if you want respect for your religion, start beheading people. That’s the real message.” Instapundit

  • Is there a mandate in the Scripture that says everyone is entitled to health care or that everyone must be cured? I recall visit the sick, help the unfortunate and the poor. We are to treat them as Jesus would. He did not heal all that came to him. The real healing is the forgiveness of sin and the promise of eternal life.

  • @Stillbelieve:The question is: Is being a Democrat more important than to being a Catholic

    What is the first adjective that we put in front of our names? This can be very telling about our moral standing.

  • often from immigrants

    Savvy point from his Eminence. Obama is anti-immigrant! Hit him with his base!

    On another point, it is all well and good to be up in arms about violating the conscience of religious institutions, but last I checked the First Amendment applied to the rights of individuals at least as much, if not more so. Why should individuals be required to violate their consciences with this Obamanation?

  • Liberty of religion is more than freedom of worship. Freedom of worship was guaranteed in the Constitution of the former Soviet Union. You could go to church, if you could find one. … We fought a long cold war to defeat that vision of society.

    Oooh – the bishop obliquely named Obama a commie.

    Onward Christian soldiers!

  • Off topic: Today’s Sadie Hawkins Day: look out bachelors!

    What do you call a leader who flaunts the law? “Hitler” or “commie” will do!

    The regime orders (you must buy health insurance with these benefits/terms, and the Church must provide with these features) people around. Big brother knows better. He owns you.

    It’s worse. Anyone know the why Argentina (educated people, rich natural resources) is an economic basket case while Chile prospers?

    America is becoming Argentina: a corrupt, banana republic where the rules for commerce and property change at the whim of the regime, e.g., HHS mandate and the recent foreclosure/”robo-signing”) confiscation.

  • “America is becoming Argentina: a corrupt, banana republic where the rules for commerce and property change at the whim of the regime, e.g., HHS mandate and the recent foreclosure/’robo-signing’) confiscation.”

    It’s called Democracy, T. Shaw – two wolves and one sheep voting on what’s for dinner:

    Crucifige Eum, Crucifige Eum – that’s what liberty, equality and fraternity have always been about, from the time of Pontius Pilate through Robespierre’s revolution to Obama’s hope and change.