Fort Hood Shooter: Passing the Buck

Tuesday, January 12, AD 2010

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  • “Still, Hasan’s officer evaluation reports were consistently more positive, usually describing his performance as satisfactory and at least twice as outstanding. Known as “OERs,” the reports are used to determine promotions and assignments. The Army promoted Hasan to captain in 2003 and to major in 2009.”

    In my day “satisfactory” on an OER (fitrep in those days) was the kiss of death for any career. There was grade inflation in evals and uless one got a fair number of “outstandings” one was not going to get promoted. Perhaps someone was trying to ease out Hasan in the long-haul. Of course not noticing what was going on in the here and now.

  • Yeesh. A jihadi Frank Burns.
    Just what the Army needed.

  • Brilliant cminor!

  • “They gave Hasan glowing reviews so he would be promoted, transferred and be someone else’s problem.”

    Happened all the time in the navy with women and minorities. No one would risk the label of chauvinist or racist.

Walter Reed Officials Suspected Hasan Was Psychotic

Wednesday, November 11, AD 2009

Nidal Malik Hasan

The more we learn about this story the more unbelievable it becomes.  NPR is reporting here that starting in the Spring of 2008 officials held a series of meetings  during which one of the subjects of discussion was whether Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan was psychotic. 

Starting in the spring of 2008, key officials from Walter Reed Army Medical Center and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences held a series of meetings and conversations, in part about Maj. Nidal Hasan, the man accused of killing 13 people and wounding dozens of others last week during a shooting spree at Fort Hood. One of the questions they pondered: Was Hasan psychotic?

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  • It is, perhaps, not fair to draw a parallel but I sense an eerie similarity between the chain of events in this case and the chain of events in some of the more egregious sexual abuse cases that our Church suffered through.

  • “Thus political correctness running rampant caused those who could have stopped Hasan to sit on their hands until this tragedy erupted. Contemptible.”

    This political correctness that places innocents in harm’s way goes beyond contemptible. It’s treasonous.

  • MASH message for Islamic terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan:

    Mr. Hasan,

    May you be swiftly executed, may you rot in Hell for eternity, and may your family be ashamed of you for as long as they shall live.

    With utmost contempt,

    Muslims Against Sharia

    http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2009/11/fort-hood.html

  • It’s beyond comtemptible. They believed that man was sick, and did nothing. If they had believed he had cancer or diabetes, they would have done something about it. I don’t blame political correctness, I blame the way we view mental illness as shameful. If mental illness were viewed the same as physical illness (which it is), they would have forced Major Hasan to get help, and all of this would have been avoided.

  • What’s the evidence that he was actually *psychotic*? Are there reports he was hearing voices, hallucinated or had some other personality disorder? If so, then yes, perhaps he was psychotic.

    I think we fling “insane” around far too often, instead of recognizing that sometimes people imbibe, then internalize deeply evil ideas and act on them. The insanity card allows us to avoid more difficult questions, to our discredit. More to the point, it leaves us vulnerable to similar actions in the future.

  • Probably suspected he was psychotic because of his behavior. His behavior was so extreme that, for one in the psychology mindset, he must have been psychotic. When there was no proof of this, then they must of let it drop because it couldn’t have been because of his Muslim beliefs.

  • Phillip, that makes sense. To someone with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

    It reminds me of the days before 9/11, when the war with jihadists was viewed through a legal paradigm, not a military one. I never thought I’d look back proudly at the courage of those who used to say that Islam is a religion of peace, it really is, but a small number of people have gotten a tiny bit carried away. You’d never hear language that strong from the White House nowadays.

  • “They were afraid to take action against a Muslim officer …”

    Well said, counsellor, and so comforting to know that you have the insight directly into people to actually know this. Did that kind of argument work well in the courtroom for you?

    “Thus political correctness running rampant caused those who could have stopped Hasan to sit on their hands until this tragedy erupted.”

    And naturally the reason would not be a failure of leadership within the military. Let’s remember this guy was going to Afghanistan, too. A very safe haven indeed for someone with enemy sympathies. And he was also an officer. Do accusations against military officers tend to come up on scanty evidence, or is there a higher burden of proof?

    I don’t know if this paralysis is contemptible as much as it is part of the culture that honors high leadership, people who are obedient, keep their heads down, and don’t mess with the smooth operation of the status quo.

    What was it they called anti-war Americans in 2002? Blame all that on PC, too?

  • Gee Todd, I guess you’ll come up with some innocent explanation for his Soldier of Allah card.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,574546,00.html

    As for going to Afghanistan Hasan was constantly complaining about being deployed and expressing sympathy for the Jihadists we are fighting.

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/11/muslim_army_major_be.php

    Only idiots, or people concerned with protecting themselves from charges of discrimination, would’t have taken action against Hasan.

    Do you read anything on a subject before you make a completely uninformed comment?

  • A serving officer speaks out about the fatal political correctness that protected Hasan:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/12/why_i_am_angry.html

  • Seems like a lot of the hermeneutic of victimhood. People saw something was wrong, yet they did nothing; and now the pundits blame the heavy hand of pc. And these are the people responsible for defending the country?

    Ever read The Caine Mutiny? Many in my family were military, largely enlisted personnel. It’s almost a joke about the “mindless” leadership that takes place. You might want to expand your thinking to include the possibility that having a commissioned officer as a loon was just beyond the realm of sanity. What happens when subordinates accuse a superior officer? And did Hasan’s superiors have any clue here?

    So yes, Donald, I do a good bit of reading. I also ask a lot of questions, sometimes uncomfortable ones. I don’t accept everything I see on the internet as being gospel. And I’m inclined to dismiss the easy answers people try to feed me.

    Read any good books lately?

  • The Caine Mutiny Todd? Yeah, I think I’ve heard about it.

    http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/06/14/the-caine-mutiny/

    Of course it is political correctness Todd that is the culprit here. No one would raise a hand to stop Hasan because he is in an official victim class and any officer who would have taken action against him was taking a career ending risk. The fact that you attempt to deny this simple fact speaks volumes about how invested the Left is in regard to this poisonous nonsense.

  • Todd,

    You don’t normally act like a jerk — choosing to roll it out now doesn’t make your sentiments seem more credible.

  • Would you care to elaborate, DC, or has simply disagreeing with your blog partner suddenly become the definition of jerkdom?

    There are a few credible reasons why Major Hasan wasn’t touched. Some conservatives seem willing enough to tack on their favorite cause as some sort of excuse.

    I do think insightful conservatives have much to contribute to this discussion, peeling away at blind spots of the middle or the left. Credibility would suggest a certain reciprocal openness as opposed to acting like, say, jerks.

    Even in an atmosphere of hands-off-the-Muslims, an honorable soldier or certainly even a citizen is obligated to stand up and confront the wrong. Though hindsight is an effective educator here, it seems rather cowardly and self-serving to blame others for one’s own failures.

    Other people have taken the fall in their careers standing up for what is right. We ask military personnel to sacrifice their lives, if called upon to do so. If they’re afraid of pc, I’d hate to think of their reactions on the battle front.

    No, Donald. While I wouldn’t disagree that some Muslims get a pass in some corners, your intuition on this one seems false. And if it’s not, it raises very damning issues of competence for our military. Are we ready to go there?

  • If I am not mistaken, the military has an up-or-out promotion system, and, in contrast to the civil service, commissioned officers are readily separated from the force for errors of one sort or another. (Though perhaps the machine works differently for specialists such as physicians). The conduct described sounds more like a school district apparat than like the military.

    I don’t know if this paralysis is contemptible as much as it is part of the culture that honors high leadership, people who are obedient, keep their heads down, and don’t mess with the smooth operation of the status quo.

    They devote considerable effort to the protection of your supercilious carcass, Todd. A note of appreciation would not be inappropriate, if you can possibly manage it.

  • “No, Donald. While I wouldn’t disagree that some Muslims get a pass in some corners, your intuition on this one seems false. And if it’s not, it raises very damning issues of competence for our military. Are we ready to go there?”

    This doesn’t involve intuition Todd, it merely involves a simple restatement of facts. As I have said from the beginning, the heads should roll of anyone, inside or outside of the Army, who had knowledge of these facts and did nothing to take action against Hasan.

    http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/11/10/nidal-malik-hasan-what-did-the-feds-know-prior-to-the-massacre/

    We owe it to Hasan’s victims to make sure that we learn something from this, and that the type of gross incompetence and criminal negligence that caused a Jihadi supporting psychiatrist to have murderous access to our troops is never repeated.

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Nidal Malik Hasan: What Did the Feds Know Prior to the Massacre?

Tuesday, November 10, AD 2009

Lots of disturbing facts coming out as to information possessed by the Federal government about  the alleged shooter Nidal Malik Hasan prior to the Fort Hood Massacre.

1.    Internet postings:   At least six months ago Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement authorities regarding internet postings about suicide bombings. 

2.    Attempts to contact al-Qaeda:  US intelligence officials knew for months that Hasan was attempting to contact al-Qaeda operatives.  Apparently the Army was informed of these attempts by Hasan to contact al_Qaeda.  The inquiry was dropped last year because the feds decided that there was no indication he would become violent.  (I guess they were wrong about that.)

3.    Comments made to fellow officers:  Colonel Terry Lee who worked with Hasan makes clear in the above video that Hasan was not shy about making pro-jihadi comments to other officers.    At Walter Reed he gave a lecture to dozens of doctors in which he said that non-believers in Islam should be beheaded and boiling oil forced down their throats (presumably before the beheading), in addition to being condemned to Hell.  For good measure he also said that unbelievers should be set on fire, although after the the boiling oil and the beheading that strikes me as redundant.  I find it difficult to believe that Hasan’s superiors would not have been aware of this type of behavior by him.

4.    Attempts to proselytize: Hasan was disciplined at Walter Reed for attempting to proselytize his Muslim faith to patients and colleagues.

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  • This is just sick. Pure PC disregard for duty so as not to ‘offend’. How’s that workin’ for ya?

    One thing I will note is that he made a statement that he was Muslim first and American second. I have a problem with that and I am not a hypocrite for saying it. I am Catholic first and American second. However, the Catholic understanding of duty, loyalty, community and patriotism (the 4th degree of the Knights of Columbus BTW) is very different than that of Islam.

    A truly authentic, orthodox, faithful Catholic will be the best citizen of the USA. Our faith directs us to live and possibly die for others on our own initiative in imitation of Christ. That is true sacrificial love.

    The Muslim version of dying for others is skewed. First the reward is not union with the Blessed Trinity it is a Gnostic paradise of virgin wives and honey. It seems like the ultimate in excess rather than holiness. Additionally, although we may have to kill for God and country we do not SEEK to kill for God and country. Muslims are rewarded, according to the Qu’ran, for waging war against Dar al Harb, the House of War, which is everything outside of Islamic politico/religio-fascism. All infedels are to be killed. All ‘people of the book’ Jews and Christians are to be subdued to conversion or killed.

    That is one messed up ideology and we need to give strong consideration for preventing or severly monitoring Muslims that serve in government and military. I know it seems draconian but the threat is real and I am far more concerned about stealth jihad than terrorist acts. The former is wide reaching, the latter is containable.

    Does it make sense to be ‘tolerant’ of those who seek your destruction?

  • “We need to give strong consideration for preventing or severely monitoring Muslims that serve in government and military.”

    Total prevention may not be necessary at this point, but monitoring is certainly justified. I would think that a Muslim who sincerely wanted to prove his or her loyalty to our country would understand the reasons why and accept that as the price they have to pay for entering such sensitive professions.

  • Discrimination against Muslims is neither permissible nor necessary. All we have to do is make certain that no one is given a pass on clearly suspicious, not to say in the case of Hasan obviously alarming, activity, because they are a Muslim, which I fear is precisely why no one took action in reference to Hasan in spite of giant red flags.

  • Donald,

    I wasn’t advocating discrimination in the conventional sense; I was simply recommending more monitoring and barring if needs be for those who choose to enter sensative government and/or military service. They are not conscripts so it is volunatry, if they don’t want to be scrutinzed then they can find another career. That is not across the board discrimination; however, what has been the common thread in 97% of terrorist activities against the USA in the last 30-40 years?

    Ignoring that is foolish.

  • American Knight Says: “Does it make sense to be ‘tolerant’ of those who seek your destruction?”

    You may not have a choice if the UN gets it’s way

  • The secular world government aka the UN seeks to destroy national sovreignty, hard money, freedom of religion especually for those pesky Cahtolics and their Pope, and human dignity.

    Do you wonder why we never passed the Bricker amendments? Some of those with evil designs in our government want us to cave-in to UN demands for a totalitarian world state – an athiestic, or worse, Satanic one.

    I think we have the resolve to stop them. Pandering to which ever pawn they want to use to achieve their ends is no way to win – in this case, they are using political correctness and Islam as a stick to beat the USA with.

  • A Wall Street Journal article rightly notes concerning the illustrious Democrats and their utter complacency in the War Against Terrorism:

    “Before the Democrats came to power in the 2008 elections, one issue they pushed hardest through the policy debate was their opposition to domestic electronic surveillance in pursuit of Islamic terror activities. If the Hasan investigation concludes that he arrived at his pre-spree cry of ‘God is great!’ after immersion in the world of violent Islamic Web sites and prior time spent at radical domestic U.S. mosques, then we would hope that the response of our lawmakers would be more than a shrug that these 13 dead are simply the price we have to pay for living in ‘our system.'”

    However sad to admit, but personally I felt safer under the Bush Administration.

  • American Knight/Donald:

    In 2007 the Posse Commitatus Act was amended (by President Bush and Senator Warner) allow the use of federal troops to “restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition… the President determines that… domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order… or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such… a condition… so hinders the execution of the laws… that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law… or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.” This amendment was subsequently revoked but the Posse Commitatus Act has been increasing disregarded by presidents both Republican and Democrats.

    Answer me this. What if after another attack on an abortion clinic or the assasination of another abortion provider President Obama ordered federal troops to protect abortion clinics and abortion providers or going one step further to round up members of anti-abortion groups as potential terrorists. Now I would not expect you to act the way the Major did, but what would you do if you were a Catholic in the armed forces and ordered to protect an abortion clinic or to round up pro-life group members?

  • The comparison between Catholics and Muslims is false. Protecting life is tantamount. It is the most basic human right. Pro-lifers protect life and therefore are right. Muslim jihadists take life and therfore they are in the wrong.

    Posse Commitatus is designed to prevent a police state, yet many illicit and probably illegal executive orders have undermined it. This is very dangerous. Domestic order should be maintaned by police forces and they should always be local, drawn from the population they are policing. It is very unwise to use military forces for police work. One of the purposes of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is live fire excercises in using our soldiers for police work. Of course that is a foreign country and they should never be used here. So what will they use: UN international forces that have no problem using guns on the American populace. Who will be rounded up first? Not the peaceful Muslims. The first target will be those homophobic, dogmatic, hateful, strict, anti-choice Catholics.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  • AK:

    OK, Protecting life is Tantamount and Pro-lifers protect life and therefore are right.

    But, answer the question. What if you are in the military and your Commander in Chief disagrees with this assessment and believes that a “woman’s right to choose” is tantamount. What do you do if ordered to protect an abortion clinic or to suppress pro-life groups? Should you as a soldier be regarded with suspicion as guilty of sedition if you try to preach the pro-life message to your fellow troops? What if you tell others that by protecting/promoting abortion their immortal souls are threatened with damnation and hell fire?

    Finally, you state that “Muslim Jihadists take life and therefore they are in the wrong”. Does this mean that all members of the military are in the wrong since their main purpose is to enforce the will of the United States Government by force and by killing if necessary?

    If

  • “What if you are in the military and your Commander in Chief disagrees with this assessment and believes that a “woman’s right to choose” is tantamount.”

    You go to court awakaman, and the soldier would have plenty of volunteer attorneys like me to take his case.

    “What if after another attack on an abortion clinic or the assasination of another abortion provider President Obama ordered federal troops to protect abortion clinics and abortion providers or going one step further to round up members of anti-abortion groups as potential terrorists.”

    Oh, and we’d make unending political hay out of this and probably hasten considerably the ultimate victory of the pro-life cause by decades. I pray that the Obama administration would be so foolish!

  • awakaman,

    “What if you are in the military and your Commander in Chief disagrees with this assessment and believes that a “woman’s right to choose” is tantamount. What do you do if ordered to protect an abortion clinic or to suppress pro-life groups?”

    Pray for the commanding officer and tell him that he is wrong and that God will forgive him if he repents and then disobey an immoral order based on the oath of service taken. To defend the Constitution which calls for Justice and Liberty, which must by defenition begin with life. Then I would rely on the Grace of the Lord and attorneys like McClarey.

    “Does this mean that all members of the military are in the wrong since their main purpose is to enforce the will of the United States Government by force and by killing if necessary?”

    No. The difference is that we, the people and not necessarily our wayward government, engage in war with the ultimate end being peace and we try to engage only in just war. I am referring to the people’s intentions not the oligarchy. Soldiers come from the people not the oligarchs, unless it is to get some street cred for public office.

    Muslims are called to jihad, waging war for the destruction of all outside of Islam. Christians are called to love our enemies. Do all Christians love their enemies? No. Do all Muslims seek to wage jihad? No. But it is clear which outlook is true and good and which is a lie from the devil.

  • We “engage in war with the ultimate end being peace”?

    No wonder for years now, Sparta, not Athens and certainly not Jerusalem, has served as our civic model to no good end whatsoever!

    How many wars must be fought in order that peace be obtained? Or isn’t it the case that engaging in war actually goes against the goal of achieving peace?

    Just what kind of perverted universe do you live in that engaging in war is a necessary prerequisite for peace?

  • War is not going away. Ever. If you want peace you prepare for war. You fight the war that comes to you, becuase one will eventually, and you win it quickly to re-establish the temporary peace.

    We will never have perpetual peace until the final war is fought.

    I don’t like war. I am not a jingoist. I would love for us to never have to be in one again. But that is a fantasy. Since WWI most of the wars we have fought have been set up for evil purposes and I suspect that our government has engaged in this evil; however, the soldiers that fight in our wars, fight and die out of a sense of patriotism, duty and sacrifice – those are good things even if the government sends them to an unjust war – propaganda makses it hard to know for the average person.

    No nation will survive long in this world without the ability to wage war. If one engages in a war, then it is a duty to end it quickly to achieve peace.

    If I am not mistaken, Chesterton said something to this effect – but I am not a GK expert.

  • Donald:

    Instead of a hypothetical let’s look at an actual factual case the St. Patrick’s Battalions which I saw referenced on a different site earlier today:

    “When the US invaded Mexico (1846-48) to seize much of its territory, the US troops burned Catholic churches, raped Mexican women, and desecrated the Blessed Sacrament. They also taunted the small Catholic minority in the US army, most of whom were Irish and German immigrants, and who were horrified at what the US army was doing. In response, many of them left and joined the attacked side. The “San Patricios” were called traitors by the US, and many were executed after the US won the war. Of course, the Mexicans saw them in a different light.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick's_Battalion

    If you or AK were in the US Army at that time what would you have done. Joined the St. Patricos or stayed to fight the Mexicans, since while you may be personally opposed to anti-Catholicism you would not oppose the right of individuals and the US government to engage in it.

  • AK:

    While I like and admire Chesterton I think another author beter represents your line of thought the one who wrote: “War is Peace” and “Slavery is Freedom”

  • The US government was not anti-Catholic awakaman. Troops who mistreated Mexican civilians were severely punished as the court martial records of the time demonstate. Both Scott and Taylor, the two chief American generals during the war, did everything in their power to maintain good relations with the Catholic Church throughout the conflict including setting an example for the troops by attending Mass. Scott with his general order number 20 specifically set up a framework, which was implemented, to punish Americans for crimes against the civilian population in Mexico. I would have remained loyal to my oath as an American soldier and I would have happily assisted in punishing the traitors in the San Patricio Battalion after their capture.

  • awakaman,

    You are confusing the actions of individuals with the overall purpose of the people of the USA and with our government. The culture of the people, the direction of the government and individual action are not always aligned.

    As for your Orwell reference, that too is mistaken.

    I never said War is Peace and I certainly never said Slavery is Freedom, at aleast not in the political order. Slavery to Jesus is authentic Freedom.

    My statement was the ENDS of a just war are peace. Unless you are engaged in conquest or plunder then you will engage a war for a higher moral purpose and the aim will be peace.

    Wars, especially in the last two centuries, are rarely fought for one purpose. Some are honorable, most are sinsiter. WWII may not have been necessary, it was set-up by the treaty of versailles and the League of Nations attempt in order to cause chaos and bring about a world government, the UN. Trans-national financiers made money on all sides. Operation Keelhaul sent many good people to Stalin’s death camps. The list of attrocities goes on. All that does not make it any less noble that Jews and Catholics persecuted and murderered by the Nazis were in fact liberated by the Allied troops.

    Just because the aim is peace doesn’t mean that war should be engaged without much consideration; however, not preparing for war is suicide.

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Fort Hood Massacre, President Obama, and George Tiller the Killer

Monday, November 9, AD 2009

Isn’t it interesting that President Obama is pleading for us to “not to rush to judgment” concerning the Fort Hood Massacre that was executed by Malik Nidal Hasan who is an extremist Muslim.  Yet President Obama called out the National Guard to protect abortion mills when George Tiller the Killer was killed by a deranged man and not a pro-life advocate?

Double standard you think?

Yeah.  But just remember that this is the same administration that called “right-wing” groups such as pro-lifers as a threat to national security and not one mention of extremist Muslims or Muslim organizations that operate within the United States or abroad.

President Obama and his administration represent a world view that is un-American with values that only Moloch would love.  Catering to the politically correct sympathies and dogmas of modern liberalism while demonizing pro-life organizations that only seek to protect the most vulnerable among us.

Let’s pray for a one term Obama presidency and a strong candidate to emerge to represent the best of most Americans.

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To read more about the Fort Hood Massacre click here.

To read more about the murder of George Tiller the Killer click here.

To read more about President Obama demonizing Pro-Lifers the same day that George Tiller the Killer was killed click here.

To read more of the Obama Administration categorizing Pro-Life groups as terrorists click here.

To read more by Ralph Peters of the New York Post on President Obama’s response to the Fort Hood Massacre click here.

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  • I agree Tito – the double standard is as blatant as it is ridiculous. The government and the media did nothing as pro-lifers as a whole were vilified by the left.

    We are not a protected group. Neither, for that matter, are innocent unborn children.

  • Agreed, the double standard is absurd. But should we avoid fooling ourselves into thinking that Republicans don’t do the same thing?

  • Let’s not forget how quick Obama was to condemn the Cambridge police in the Gate arrest.

  • Phillip – Also, how long it took him to barely criticize the Iranian elections and subsequent crackdown.

  • According to the NRO, the NY Times has published a piece describing the heroic Michael Mansoor as an example of a patriotic and selfless Muslim serviceman who threw himself on a grenade to save others.

    In its zeal to promote Muslim servicemen, the Times got one little detail wrong – Mansoor was in fact a devout Catholic.

    You can see how such a mistake would happen, given the problems that paper has with the Catholic faith. To their hive minds, devout Catholics = child molesting priests and “anti-choice fanatics”, not heroes, while Muslims are all noble and good.

  • From NRO:

    In this New York Times story on Muslims serving in the U.S. military, the Times presents Navy SEAL Michael Monsoor, who earned the Congressional Medal of Honor for throwing himself on a grenade to save his team members in 2006, as a Muslim. It quotes a Muslim Army reservist who cites Monsoor as an example of a Muslim service member who gave his life for his country, and the Times lets the assertion stand. But Monsoor was a devout Catholic, as his Department of Defense official biography clearly states.

  • Donna V.,

    Could you send me the link? Thanks!

    Joe & Pinky,

    Thank you, it had to be pointed out. It was obvious to me.

    Eric,

    Absolutely agree.

    Arlen Spector, then a Republican, made the remark of how the Catholic Church was intolerant towards science and brought up the Galileo incident. Can’t remember the context of which he spoke about this, so if anyone can remind me what it was it’ll make for a good follow-up article in the future.

  • wow, I just read that Times article. That’s a pretty douche-bag (pardon the language) move by the NYT. Really ticks me off that they were so desperate to find counter examples that they resorted (as usual, i guess) to outright falsehoods for which they will no doubt issue a correction that is hidden away among the folds of a later issue.

    Not to go off-topic, but I recently read a defense of Tiller’s killer somewhere (http://www.takimag.com/site/article/righteous_zeal_and_the_murder_of_george_tiller/).

    I mean, what does one do when a state-sanctioned serial killer is loose in the world? Isn’t there some context that allows for individual citizens to do something about those people? If there was a known serial killer in public and he had publicly stated his intentions to kill again, is there no recourse for the sane members of society?

    I think I might agree with Gottfried that Tiller’s killing was not necessarily murder. However, his killing will undoubtedly result in harder times for the pro-life movement, but I’m not sure that is enough to make the actual act immoral.

    Tiller had killed some 60 thousand innocent people. I have a hard time believing that tiller’s killer could be guilty of murder.

  • Highly theological, though. probably so much so as to render any treatment of it in this limited space more of a detriment to the understanding of it.

  • Sorry for not posting it earlier, Tito. In the updated version, Mansoor is referred to as a Christian:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/09muslim.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp

    With this added at the end:

    Earlier versions of this article misstated the religion and rank of Michael A. Monsoor and the act he performed that earned him the Medal of Honor.

Massacre at Fort Hood

Thursday, November 5, AD 2009

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13 have been killed and 38 wounded at the Fort Hood army post in Texas.  The alleged shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, is dead, and two alleged suspects have been taken into custody.  This is a major story and details are sparse.  May the souls of the dead victims rest in peace.  More details as they become available.

Update 1: Dead gunman thought to have been a mental health professional,  a psychiatrist. I have heard on Fox that he was assigned in the past to Walter Reed.

Update 2: Gunman was thought to have been a drug and rehab specialist who obtained his license to practice psychiatry in 2005.  According to the Army Times he was promoted to Major on April 22, 2009.

Update 3: More details here about the gunman.

Update 4: Gunman worked at the Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood.

Update 5: Gunman had received a poor performance evaluation at Walter Reed.  He was upset about a forthcoming deployment to Iraq.

Update 6: Colonel Terry Lee who had worked in the past with Hasan says that the gunman had made statements that Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor.  He is being interviewed on Fox.  The Colonel also said that Hasan thought that after Obama was elected the war in Iraq would come to a swift end and he became frustrated that this did not occur.

Update 7: The two suspects taken into custody have been released.  I am hearing that they may have been attempting to subdue the gunman and were taken in for questioning about the incident.  Good!  That makes it much more likely that this is the work of just one deranged individual rather than a conspiracy.

Update 8: Now the local Congressman in whose district Fort Hood is located is stating that he has heard that another suspect has been brought in for questioning.

Update 9: The gunman’s name according to some reports is Nidal Malik Hasan and not Malik Nadal Hasan as initially reported.

Update 10: Here is info on the gunman on the Virginia Board of Medicine Practitioner Information page.

Update 11: According to a cousin of the gunman interviewed on Fox, Hasan was born and reared in this country.  He has always been a Muslim and is not a recent convert as was initially reported.  He joined the military against the wishes of his parents.  He complained about harassment to relatives that he alleged that he received from fellow soldiers in the Army because of his pro-Muslim views.

Update 12: Lieutenant General Bob Cone, the commanding general in charge of Fort Hood, at a press conference announces that Nidal Malik Hasan was wounded and is in custody, and was not killed as was initially reported.  He is also stating that Hasan was the sole shooter, and that no one else appears to have been involved.  He says that the slain and wounded soldiers were in an enclosed area awaiting medical and dental treatment.  A female civilian police officer shot and wounded Hasan.  She was wounded by Hasan and is in stable condition.  (Soon to be celebrated by the nation as a heroine I think.)

Update 13:  NPR has this report:  

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

Update 14:  Hasan is the son of Palestinian immigrants, both deceased. 

Update 15:  Reports that Hasan had come to the attention of federal law enforcement authorities six months ago because of internet postings advocating suicide bombings.  This seems to be the post in question:

“There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.”

Take this report with a boulder of salt until it is better confirmed.  However, if the authorities did believe that Hasan was posting on internet sites advocating suicide bombings six months ago, why didn’t the Army take steps to keep him away from troops, especially troops heading for Iraq or Afghanistan?

Update 16:  The brave female police officer who took Hasan down is Police Sergeant Kimberly Munley.  She pumped four bullets into the gunman in spite of being shot by him. 

Update 17:  Hasan shouted Allahu Akbar ( God is Great) before beginning his rampage.

Update 18:  Information about some of the victims here.  May they now be enjoying the Beatific Vision.

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45 Responses to Massacre at Fort Hood

  • I am sure Major Hassan being a psychiatrist would have known how to scam the security clearance evaluation. There is no known cure for what the Robert and Hugh at Jihad Watch calls the Sudden Jihad Syndrome. It follows that the rational course is to keep Muslims out.

  • Jesus, have mercy on the Major, his accompliances, and his victims.

  • Naturally, America and Christianity will be blamed, rather than Islamic theology and history. Bottom line, all Muslims are either openly violent or quietly wating for a reason to kill. Get them all out of our country. There is no ‘moderate’ Islam. Get them out.

  • Our son is stationed at Ft. Hood. Thank God that he is okay.

  • I disagree Mr. Toler. There are good and bad men and women among Muslims as there are good and bad men and women among Catholics. This incident seems to involve only one individual and it is unjust to condemn all Muslims in this nation as a result of it.

  • I can only imagine your relief Karen. My brother was stationed at Fort Hood while he was in the Army and I would have been out of my mind with concern today if he was still there.

  • I agree there Don. To expel or ban people from this country purely on the basis of their religion or personal beliefs, and NOT on the basis of actual terrorist actions or affiliations, would set an enormously dangerous precedent.

    Next thing you know, liberal Democrats would decide that all pro-lifers or all Catholics should be expelled from the country on the grounds that they are all “openly violent or quietly waiting for a reason to kill” abortion providers!

    It seems to me that this kind of violence usually comes from nowhere and there is no foolproof or infallible way to prevent it. The “warning signs” are almost always visible only in hindsight. Perhaps this man was mentally ill?

    God bless and protect our brave men and women in uniform wherever they may be 🙂

  • HA!

    A WOMAN took down the Muslim gunman!

    That’ll certainly tick off Muslims the world over.

    Prayers on the way.

  • This is a tragic and unconcsionable occurance.
    My heart and prayers go out to those killed, those wounded and those whose lives will never be the same because of this senseless and traitorous attack.

    May God have mercy on the dead, and grant His grace to the others affected.
    And my prayers for the perpetrator’s change of heart.

  • Based only upon that excerpt, I would find it difficult for anyone to have anticipated something like this. As a psychiatrist, it could have been taken as simply his analysis as to how suicide bombers see themselves, and frankly, the analysis he expresses is probably quite accurate. It could be taken as support/encouragement of suicide bombings, but it could also be taken as someone trying to explain the mindset of the other side (like investigators trying to get “into the mind” of a perpetrator) and making a theological point.

    I wonder how many of our debates on various theological issues would sound to outsiders.

  • It’s amazing that President Obama is telling everyone “not to jump to conclusions”, yet he calls out the National Guard when George Tiller the Killer was shot inside his church.

    Typical.

    Seems like the “main”stream media is coalescing around the fact that he had mental disorders as to the cause of the shooting. Absolutely nothing to the plain fact that he carried Muslim sympathies and is a practicing Muslim.

    Now all we need to do is ignore all the jihadist postings that Nidal did on the extremist Muslim websites.

  • A slight disagreement with Elaine: no one has a right to come to this country. Nor, indeed, to go to any country in the world. Moreover, there is a recent history of immigration policy banning people on the basis of beliefs held–e.g., communist and fascist belief were (are?) grounds to deny entry into America.

    I am *not* saying we should deny Muslims entry because they are Muslims. Indeed, there are many forms of the religion which are admirable, and likewise their adherents.

    But we can certainly can–and should–deny entry for those Muslims who insist on forms of sharia which threaten the constitutional order. We did no less for would-be communist subversives.

  • Why the emphasis upon his being a Mohamedian when his main source of distress seems to be the fact that he was to be deployed to Afghanistan or the Middle East. Army suicides have increased dramatically as a result of the unending and unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This man in his attempt at suicide just happened to take others with him.

    Why did the Army keep and promote this man despite his instability and let him treat soldiers with mental disorders? As sick as it sounds this reminds me of Arlo Guthrie’s medical/psychological exam for the draft during the Viet Nam War as relayed in his classic “Alice’s Restaurant”:

    “They got a building down New York City, it’s called Whitehall Street, where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected, neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
    and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all kinds o’ mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave me a piece of paper, said, ‘Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604.’

    And I went up there, I said, ‘Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.’; And I started jumpin up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL,’; and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, ‘KILL, KILL.’; And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, ‘You’re our boy.’”

  • Awakaman,

    I had to Google Arlo Guthrie.

    I wouldn’t take any “philosophical” rants from him seriously.

    I don’t know who he is, but if you would have sourced the Holy Bible, a prominent theologian, Vatican documents, etc, I would take your posting more seriously.

  • Arlo is a Republican now Awakaman. (Yeah, I know, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it either!)

    His religion was clearly this guy’s motivating factor in regard to his view of being deployed to the Middle East. We are at war, and he supports the other side due to his religion.

    In regard to the Army, the Army paid for his education and he signed up of his own free will. He could have attempted to resign his commission and pay back the cost of his education.

    Of course all this is beside the point. I suspect the true trigger was that Major Hasan is also Major Wackdoodle, and he wouldn’t be the first shrink who is crazier than any of his patients. I am sure his counsel will attempt to use the insanity defense in his case and the facts will determine if they succeed.

  • “This man in his attempt at suicide just happened to take others with him.” Huh? Sure, just a coincidence or something.

  • Breaking News at noon CST:

    8 shot, 2 dead (early reporting) at an office building in Orlando, FL.

    Shooter is Jason Rodriguez and is still at large.

    Reports are sketchy so the numbers of who is shot and dead could go up or down once the hysteria settles.

    No motive yet.

    Office building is still in the process of being shut down.

    Office building is off of I-4, that’s all I hear and know.

    My personal assessment it could be work related.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/mass_shooting_in_orlando_142465.asp

    Straight from Orlando Fire & Police Dept.’s: So far confirmed no deaths, 6 shot.

  • Mike,

    The mainstream media is already trying to spin this away from a “jihad” type of act.

  • I’m curious about the shooter’s reason for joining the Army in the first place. What were his motivations, and what did he hope to accomplish in the Army?

  • Nautica,

    Not sure.

    Getting a fine education in medicine may have played a role in it.

    If I were wiser in my younger years, I would have have joined the Officer Candidate Program or even as a recruit after high school to take advantage of free education and training.

  • Ah, yes, I forgot about that.

  • A person who jumps off a building to commit suicide and lands on passersby below, just happens to take them with him; a guy who commits suicide by driving into a wall and hits people behind it, just happens to take them with him.

    A guy who opens fire on others and dies when he gets taken down by someone else (never turning the gun on himself) – he is not committing suicide and just happening to take a few with him – he intends to murder.

  • Tito:

    I guess I’m just showing my age and you yours in that you don’t know who Arlo Guthrie is. He had a daddy who’s name was Woody (google him). Arlo was a headliner at Woodstock (the first one in ’69)abd had many great classics in the 60’s and 70’s including “City of New Orleans” and “Coming into Los Angeles”, but his most famous song was his 20 minute long humourous anti-war song “Alice’s Restaurant”.

    Don:

    1) So Arlo’s a Republican. . . like party labels mean a whole hell of a lot any more when the Republican party can encompass Anarcho-libertarians such as Ron Paul, quasi-Democrats such as Scozzafava, and Trotskyite neocons, such as Kristol and Podhoretz.

    2) Don, the NYT reports that the Major has been fighting deployment and trying to get out of his military committment for the past 2 years.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html?_r=1&hp
    Given the draconian military retention policies currently in effect do you seriously believe he would have any success – especially a doctor. When I was an Army JAG 20 years ago (at a time of relative peace) persons in the medical MOS’s had absolutely no chance of getting out short of fragging their commander. Today they have ablutely no chance no matter how psychologically sick they are.

    Fianlly, Tito, I see no one else on this thread citing the great philosophers, papal encylicals or biblical quotes. All I see are people venting their anger and fear regarding Mohammedan boogie men. Let’s kill them all and let God sort them out and let’s hand Lord Bush Obama all of our liberties and freedoms to fight the terrorist who hate us due to our freedom I guess I’m held to a higher standard.

    I think Mr. Guthrie’s view of the military in relationship to mental instability is similar to that presented by Joseph Heller in Catch 22- the mentally unstable who unbothered by or attracted to the horror and destruction of war are allowed to serve in the military undisturbed and these want to avoid them can not get out of the military because their aversion to such horror and destruction show them to be sane. I think that this view of the destructive nature of a warrior’s life to one’s soul is much more in alignment with Catholic teachings then alot of other pro-war on “terror” rants that I read on this blog and others.

  • “I had to Google Arlo Guthrie.”
    Tito, Tito…you’re making me feel like a fossil.
    Interesting to hear Arlo’s come around though. I wonder when that liberal got mugged?

    I live in a military town, and I’m pretty sure this behavior isn’t typical of your average Muslim soldier. FWIW I’m also dubious of the allegations going around that religious harassment caused him to snap.

  • The mainstream media is going to stick to that angle to make “islamophobia” the real issue and not the deaths.

  • “All I see are people venting their anger and fear regarding Mohammedan boogie men. Let’s kill them all and let God sort them out and let’s hand Lord Bush Obama all of our liberties and freedoms to fight the terrorist who hate us due to our freedom.”

    No one here said like this, but hey–strawmen are fine fencing partners. In addition to being a hellish thing to say, a “kill ’em” mindset is as mindless as the “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism” mantra that gets trotted out whenever a self-identified Muslim commits an act like this.

    I’m sure there’s someplace in between the reflexive knee-jerking that might shed light. How about you?

  • “All I see are people venting their anger and fear regarding Mohammedan boogie men.”

    Was this murderer such a boogie man?

    How about those who were responsible for 9/11?

    The only “boogie men” I see here are those miraculously manifested by the ‘PC’ types who would dare manufacture such a bleached fiction that there is no such Mohammedan.

  • “Mike,

    The mainstream media is already trying to spin this away from a “jihad” type of act.”

    Of course, Tito, very predictable; but in all fairness it could be true. I’m a moderate. I say, it is even sillier to rule out jihad as it is to assume it. One thing for sure though — the idea that this was just a garden variety suicide that just happened to take a whole bunch of others with him is nuts. That *might* explain crashing an airplane or even a car, but shooting people? Give me a break, awakaman.

  • “Given the draconian military retention policies currently in effect do you seriously believe he would have any success – especially a doctor.”

    Yeah, I do and doctors getting out of the obligation is not that unusual:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/brooklyn/2009/06/27/2009-06-27_fed_court_upholds_discharge_for_peacelovin_army_doctor.html

    If Doctor Fruitcake had sought my services, here is how I would have handled his case:

    1. He becomes a born again conscientious objector. He applies for the status and we have him give interviews telling how the wars in the Middle East and what returning troops have told him has caused him to say No to war.

    2. I have his relatives and friends besiege his CongressCritter.

    3. I go through his record with a fine toothcomb and find examples of how he has been treated unfairly by the Army. I am a proud Army veteran and trust me, as I think all Army vets could attest, the Green Machine treats everyone unfairly at one time or another.

    4. I have him live out his Islamic faith, talking about Mohammed while he is with patients and at medical meetings.

    5. I take out my violin and play up to the press the prejudice angle. According to Colonel Terry Lee Dr. Fruitcake was called harsh names by his fellow officers when he expressed his beliefs and the press would eat up the meme of neanderthal Army officers oppressing this poor peaceful Muslim psychiatrist.

    6. I give hints to the Army that Dr. Fruitcake is under a lot of stress and who knows what might happen unless we can get him out of the Army.

    7. I enlist the usual list of Useful Idiots of peace groups, radical groups, church groups, etc., to rally to the cause of this Doctor who has seen the light and who will not fight in Pharoah’s Army any longer.

    By the time I was done I think I could have gotten Doctor Fruitcake a good conduct discharge and maybe even forgiveness of his debt. As they say, this isn’t rocket science and I think any competent litigator could do the same.

    Of course Dr. Fruitcase wasn’t interested in getting out of the Army. In his twisted mind he was interested in screaming Allahu Abkar and murdering men and women who wore the same uniform he disgraced.

  • “5. I take out my violin and play up to the press the prejudice angle.”

    Wouldn’t it be far more effective to just have a string quartet nearby playing Barber’s Requiem?

  • “We certainly can–and should–deny entry for those Muslims who insist on forms of sharia which threaten the constitutional order. We did no less for would-be communist subversives.”

    I have no problem with that. In a case like that, you’re talking about someone who demonstrates unwillingness to accept our system of law, or is affilated with a group whose professed aims are subversive or illegal. That’s not the same as assuming that all Muslims by definition are potential terrorists.

  • “By the time I was done I think I could have gotten Doctor Fruitcake a good conduct discharge and maybe even forgiveness of his debt. As they say, this isn’t rocket science and I think any competent litigator could do the same.”

    Maybe he should have tried dressing as a woman… oh wait, that didn’t even work for Corporal Klinger back in the (fictional) Korean War and it would probably be even less likely to work today.

  • I had to google “Corporal Klinger”…

    …just kidding.

  • Section eights, mentally unfit, were much harder to come by Elaine back in the days when Uncle Sam needed every male who could pull a trigger and before society became consistantly stuck on stupid.

  • You make me feel very old sometimes Tito!

  • Maybe its just because he’s not married yet 🙂

  • Don:

    I knew Army doctors who tried every trick in the book to get out of their committment including being 150lbs over weight standards and being totally incabable of meeting any of the PT standards. The Army just got them special order uniforms.

    The fact that this Army “psychiatrist” was acting like a fruitcake for the past year and this did not lead anyone in the Army to seek his discharge should tell you something.

    Why can’t you and other folks just accept the simple fact that these silly neverending wars are having a disasterous effect upon US soldiers and their mental well being – no matter what their religion.

  • Well awakaman I cited you an actual recent case showing you how it was done by a doctor who became a CO when his precious skin was going to be shipped off to Iraq. There are a lot of ways for people to get around living up to the oaths they swore when they voluntarily joined the military.

    No one sought his discharge from the Army because Dr Fruitcake never sought it. Of course the Army should have had him under constant surveillance after his internet postings surfaced six months ago. I am sure that the inevitable investigation will reveal that the usual culprit, bureaucratic inertia, led to no action being taken.

    The wars we are fighting in the Middle East are neither silly nor never-ending, but necessary and winnable as Iraq demonstrates. Your attempt to make an anti-war argument out of the murderous rampage of Dr. Fruitcake is mistaken. His motivation was Islamic fervor as his cry before the slaughter commenced indicates, and probably paranoia which of course a paranoid psychiatrist would be unable to self-diagnose.

  • Don:

    1) Sorry I am not swayed by the anecdotal evidence you provided of one single doctor who it appeared had been fighting before army boards and in the federal courts for CO status for EIGHT (8) years before he received it. Rather, the military’s severe “stop-loss” policy is still in effect and will only be phased out gradually during the next 2 years.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/washington/19gates.html
    How, much do want to bet that 2 years from now there will be even more soldiers being held against their wishes under this program?

    2) Reports state that he did take actions to obtain a discharge and to prevent his deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. Perhaps he did not take the well reasoned path you suggested Don but we are talking about a man going down the path of madness.

    3) Don, the fact is that suicides among military personnel and veterans are at alarming levels, yet the Department of Defense does more to hide these facts than it does to deal with them.

    http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/31885

    Here we have a person who’s job it was to make our troops feel good about invading other people’s countries and killing strangers, and we’re surprised that he was capable of such an act.

    When my wife’s nephew was on his first tour in Afghanistan, he was the machine gunner on back of a Hum-v. The first couple of days they had him shoot every dog they saw so he would become numb to killing. No matter how noble the cause the chief purpose of our military is to train killers. . . and then we are surprised when they kill.

    4) Yes, Don, “silly and unending”. This case just goes further to show how our interventionist foreign policy is creating anti-Americanism both at home and abroad. Little third world stone-age warrior Afghanistan has been the death knell of many empires. . . my guess it will be where one more dies during that empire’s quest to prop up a corrupt government that allows big US oil to run an oil pipe line accross that nation.

    I also note that the big news in the paper and on the radio this morning was that the Major once said he was “a moslem first and an American second.” Horror of horrors.

  • Actually awakman evidence is also surfacing that Hasan attempted to contact al-Qaeda and the FBI knew about this prior to the shootings.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/09/abc-fbi-knew-hasan-tried-to-contact-al-qaeda/

    This is shaping up into a major story about whether this massacre was an act of Jihad, and, more importantly, why the Feds didn’t act against the fellow prior to him going Jihadal at Fort Hood. There is more here now I think than just a simple nut case and I will be posting more about it tomorrow.

  • Clearly a case of shell-shock by proxy.

    Unitarians do the same thing.

    Big Oil.

    The Crusades.

    Nothing to see here–move along.

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  • Awakaman:

    If the war in Afghanistan is “silly,” I would like to know what your policy response would be to an act of state-supported terrorism such as 9/11? Should we have had the FBI politely knock on the door of every hut in Helmand, serving search warrants to the suspected criminals?

  • J. Christian:

    We bombed the Taliban leadership and permitted opposing warlords to overthrow them. But. . . no. . . we have to go in and impose a modern western democratic state so everyone can have their Coke, Pepsi, Playboy Magazines and so their women can wear mini-skirts, vote and get abortions.

    Well now all we have done is increase the number of Taliban followers and turn previously friendly warlords against us. Our support of the Russian oppostion during the wonderful reign of Ronald the Great lead to the rise of the Taliban and our continued interference in this area of the world will only lead to their greater growth and prestige in the area.

  • we have to go in and impose a modern western democratic state so everyone can have their Coke, Pepsi, Playboy Magazines and so their women can wear mini-skirts, vote and get abortions.

    Oh, sure. That’s why Afghanistan’s shiny new constitution–with our full throated approval–enshrines Sharia as the supreme law of the land. Under Article 3 of that document, “No law shall be contrary to the beliefs and practices of Islam.”

    Which was why Abdul Rahman was in real danger of execution for apostasy from Islam, editors have been given hard labor for publishing articles criticizing stoning, translators of the Koran have been imprisoned for blasphemy, Shiite Afghan men can starve their wives if they don’t put out, and married women can’t attend school for fear of polluting unmarried girls with their sexuality.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HC25Df02.html

    http://www.rsf.org/Editor-Ali-Mohaqiq-Nasab-gets-two.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394522,00.html

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/afghan-husbands-win-right-to-starve-wives/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/29/afghanistan.theeditorpressreview

    Yeah, that’s democracy whiskey sexy in action, all right.

    Look, the idea of trying to impose Western style democracy was stillborn from the start.

    But let’s not entertain any delusional fantasies that that’s what we’ve tried to do in Afghanistan. Because it’s not. In fact, it’s just the opposite–we’ve given the country over to a reduced-calorie version of the Taliban.